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Posted on Jan 15, 2017 at 04:22 AM

I have watched on the news the case of the now young woman who was abducted as a baby 18 years ago.  As a mother I appreciate the pain and the agony her biological parents would have endured all these 18 years-probably wondering and blaming themselves what they could and should have done to avoid the situation.  They now have their baby and there is a lot of catching up to do in all those lost years.

 

For the young lady, the 18 year old, she needs all the support she can get to untangle this mess of a situation.  Why do I call it a mess, she has bonded with her kidnapper and has known her all her life as ‘mommy’.  She seemed nice to her and raised her well and then suddenly there is her biological mommy who also clearly loves her dearly and never gave up hope of finding her.  I wish her all of God’s blessings and peace in this process.

 

What is bugging me is what really possessed the kidnapper 18 years ago to commit such a crime as her current profile seem to be like a normal Jog Blog living within her community with her family?  What was her state of mind at the time?  It has emerged that prior to committing the crime she had experienced a miscarriage, could that have possibly driven her to commit such an offence?  This is one case I will be following with keen interest.

 

 

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Posted on Feb 13, 2018 at 05:59 AM

Just saw in the news that the kidnapper has pleaded guilty and that could reduce a possible life sentence to 20 years.  I am still interested in how the kidnapped girl feels and is doing emotionally.  



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Posted on Feb 20, 2017 at 12:06 AM

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It is so easy to forget about the husbands but as you rightly point out it is both experiencing the trauma



 

The lady has the toughest burden.  Just as in childbirth.  No use pretending otherwise.  Appreciate that you understand that the would be father grieves too.  


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Posted on Feb 06, 2017 at 11:22 AM

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Something not often mentioned is it is not nice for the husband either.  I talked to one such a few years back.  His comments:  No one cares.  No one mentions it.  Everyone avoids the subject.  It is like we lost all our friends.  

 

 

A quote I found recently. "You will learn who your real friends are." 

 

 

 

 

 

 



It is so easy to forget about the husbands but as you rightly point out it is both experiencing the trauma



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Posted on Feb 04, 2017 at 08:54 AM

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Wow, this is quite scary and a difficult place to be mentally for any woman.



Something not often mentioned is it is not nice for the husband either.  I talked to one such a few years back.  His comments:  No one cares.  No one mentions it.  Everyone avoids the subject.  It is like we lost all our friends.  

 

 

A quote I found recently. "You will learn who your real friends are." 

 

 

 

 

 

 


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Posted on Feb 04, 2017 at 03:05 AM

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From what I have found out reading various sources is that after a miscarriage the mind can be pretty well broken.  They can be totally crazy.  Behave in not normal at all for them ways.  Jealous to the point of rage at pregnant women.  Angry at what they call fertile women (they don't think of themselves as fertile at that point).  Crazy in that they will completely ignore a physician’s orders in the rush to get pregnant again.  This usually results in a further setback via another miscarriage.  With luck at that point they will follow medical advice.  Sometimes not to the point of another miscarriage and further damage to their health.   



Wow, this is quite scary and a difficult place to be mentally for any woman.



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Posted on Jan 29, 2017 at 06:19 AM

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Funtimes you raise some compelling points but who is to know what the mind can handle and what breaks the mind at any point in time?



From what I have found out reading various sources is that after a miscarriage the mind can be pretty well broken.  They can be totally crazy.  Behave in not normal at all for them ways.  Jealous to the point of rage at pregnant women.  Angry at what they call fertile women (they don't think of themselves as fertile at that point).  Crazy in that they will completely ignore a physician’s orders in the rush to get pregnant again.  This usually results in a further setback via another miscarriage.  With luck at that point they will follow medical advice.  Sometimes not to the point of another miscarriage and further damage to their health.   


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Posted on Jan 25, 2017 at 11:19 AM

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The few things that breaks down the human brain is;

 

1. Betrayal of trust. This includes a woman having a miscarriage and hating the creator hence the break down of value system and kidnapping of a child.

 

2. Breakdown in social value system we stand on.

 

3. Finding the truth about organized religions..lol

 

Human brain is like a machine. If one tries to load Linux operating system on a windows machine. The Intel processor gets all confused pretty fast :)



Hmmm, food for thought



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Posted on Jan 23, 2017 at 12:00 PM

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GENTLEBREEZE ,

 

I watched the News 2 dys. ago , the Woman Kidnapper was charged of the crime ...The Mother and the girl are trying to cope up with each other after 18 yrs. of pain ..



A really bitter sweet situation



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Posted on Jan 22, 2017 at 02:28 AM

 

GENTLEBREEZE ,

 

I watched the News 2 dys. ago , the Woman Kidnapper was charged of the crime ...The Mother and the girl are trying to cope up with each other after 18 yrs. of pain ..


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Posted on Jan 21, 2017 at 06:26 AM

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I did a pretty extensive look on the internet.  No luck.  At the time of that article the world was silent on the subject.  It is not silent now.  There is a wealth of material.  I read around a bit. Enough to know that there is more information and interesting information available if one wants to pursue it. 

 

 

I have a few other leads to pursue.  



Thanks Rmacc



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Posted on Jan 21, 2017 at 06:26 AM

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The survival of Human race and its constant evolution as humans is highly dependent upon family and social value system we adopt in different countries.

 

If that young mother was surrounded by her parents, loves ones, they would have noticed what she did wrong and would corrected her mistake with very little repercussions.

 

People have confused independent thought process, personal independence to the point where they feel all alone, lonely now a days more than ever.

 

The decline of social value systems, family support, moral support could have caused her mental break down to the point where she committed such act. Who knows..very complex topic to evaluate based on little info about her and her background, upbringing etc. etc.



Funtimes you raise some compelling points but who is to know what the mind can handle and what breaks the mind at any point in time?



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Posted on Jan 18, 2017 at 11:04 PM

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Rmac waiting to read this article; seem like a fascinating read.



I did a pretty extensive look on the internet.  No luck.  At the time of that article the world was silent on the subject.  It is not silent now.  There is a wealth of material.  I read around a bit. Enough to know that there is more information and interesting information available if one wants to pursue it. 

 

 

I have a few other leads to pursue.  


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Posted on Jan 18, 2017 at 12:23 PM

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I don't think there is sufficient psychological data gathered so far that can justify her actions or she was plain self centered/selfish person (why not adopt millions of kids are dying of hunger) who put her needs and completely over looked the pain she caused to the biological parents.

 

I think its easer to get over with the suffering when a love one dies than not knowing what happened to them for 18 years.

 

This article may shed some light.

 

nbcnews.com/health/womens-​health/hidden-dangers-miscarriages-scar-would-be-​moms-n212646



Funtimes, fair comments.  Maybe she came to her senses but feared the repurcussions if she owned up to the truth?  Ah well if it is so then 'what she feared has come upon her'.  It is such a shame but well; guess we'll have to wait and see.  Thanks for comments



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Posted on Jan 16, 2017 at 12:24 PM

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I read an article written by two women, both professional writers, who both had experienced a miscarriage and emailed each other about their feelings and emotions.  Ultimately they compiled their back and forth emails into an article.  Very much worth reading.  Wish I remembered the name and source for the article.  Perhaps it can be found just with the information I have provided.  I may have it somewhere.  

 

What they provided about the feelings and emotions post miscarriage was more than interesting. It was surprising, and more than that.  



Rmac waiting to read this article; seem like a fascinating read.



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Posted on Jan 16, 2017 at 12:19 PM

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Hi GENTLEBREEZE ,

 

I watched the same report 2x yesterday but my heart went out

more for the mother who lost her baby 18 yrs. ago ..I could imagine the pain she have had during those times ..In my opinion there is no collision between the Law and Emotions 

because the Kidnapper did something unlawful , taking a baby

which belongs to somebody is punishable by Law ..Nobody 

have no right to do it without the very consent of the other woman ..

 

You mentioned about the history of the crime as to the Kidnapper ..Losing a baby thru miscarriage could be the reason of the crime she committed because of " Hormonal Imbalance " leading to short term Psychotic problem ..Most probably she was out of her mind by that time ...a 1 of a million action .. which never affects other women ..

 

Remember , our monthly menstruation and the menopausal

period ..well our state of mind are normal but there is a change

in how we manage our temper ( short temper ) ..losing a baby and giving birth to Babies are more than that .. 



Maryclaire, very well analysed.  It is a very difficult one and I am wondering the various angles the lawyers are going to pull up in the kidnapper's defence- state of mind at time of crime, present character in society-  I am not a lawyer just speculating.  A very tricky one.  Thanks for your comments



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Posted on Jan 16, 2017 at 03:00 AM

 

Hi GENTLEBREEZE ,

 

I watched the same report 2x yesterday but my heart went out

more for the mother who lost her baby 18 yrs. ago ..I could imagine the pain she have had during those times ..In my opinion there is no collision between the Law and Emotions 

because the Kidnapper did something unlawful , taking a baby

which belongs to somebody is punishable by Law ..Nobody 

have no right to do it without the very consent of the other woman ..

 

You mentioned about the history of the crime as to the Kidnapper ..Losing a baby thru miscarriage could be the reason of the crime she committed because of " Hormonal Imbalance " leading to short term Psychotic problem ..Most probably she was out of her mind by that time ...a 1 of a million action .. which never affects other women ..

 

Remember , our monthly menstruation and the menopausal

period ..well our state of mind are normal but there is a change

in how we manage our temper ( short temper ) ..losing a baby and giving birth to Babies are more than that .. 


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Posted on Jan 15, 2017 at 07:34 PM

I read an article written by two women, both professional writers, who both had experienced a miscarriage and emailed each other about their feelings and emotions.  Ultimately they compiled their back and forth emails into an article.  Very much worth reading.  Wish I remembered the name and source for the article.  Perhaps it can be found just with the information I have provided.  I may have it somewhere.  

 

What they provided about the feelings and emotions post miscarriage was more than interesting. It was surprising, and more than that.  


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