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Posted on Sun, Mar 19, 2006 08:23

As a Shakti and Tantrica I have seen a lot of confusion regarding BDSM and Kama Sutra and Tantrics in my work with people seeking out better ways of interacting with those they love with intimate relations and with sexual expression.
Most of us look at Kama Sutra and Tantrics as forms of sexual expression. Not true at all. Tantrics techniques , meditations, chanting, mandalas etc , have every little to do with sexual expression and most Tantric sects teach no sexual interelation at all. That said there are basic tenets and techniques for tantric sex, but this takes much instruction in and study in exactly what Tantra is in the first place, then Tantrics can be applied to the sexual experience.
Kama, aka Kama Sutra, Koka Shostra, many ancient Egyptian, Greek and Roman texts etc. are not just sex manuals, or "how to's', not at all, and actually a very small portion has to do with the actual sex act, or various positions. They do have to do with the interaction between a male and a female, and interactions and behavior within the community, both with acquaintances and strangers. They instruct a person on how to be a male, and how to be a female and how to nurture the best in both sexes. In all situations.
They are the finest examples and teachings on respectful and loving natural dominance and submission.

Here is an article that I thought did a fairly good job..for a start:

The feminine nature has a weakness, softness, and delicateness about it. A feminine woman leans toward trustfulness, adaptability, and fearfulness. She is submissive to her husband and has a dependency upon men for their care and protection. In contrast, the masculine nature is stronger, harder, firmer. Men are natural leaders and guides, and as such, they have a natural tendency to command. They are competent, aggressive and protective. The feminine woman lacks these masculine tendencies.



Awaken Your Man

Feminine dress causes a man to notice a woman and makes him feel more of a man. The feminine manner brings out more of these differences, and adds to his feeling of manliness. Add to these the feminine nature in a woman which awakens a man?s natural inclination to protect her. They all work together to form one total package of femininity each performing its own part. They are all intertwined to form a strong cord of female attraction and dependency. Together they cause a man to have the most pleasant of sensations - that of power and strength. The bigger, stronger and more masculine the man, the more he delights in sheltering and protecting a feminine woman.



In the Presence of a Capable Woman

How does a normal man feel in the presence of a capable woman? When a woman is independent and capable, able to meet or exceed a man on his own ground; when she doesn?t need his manly care, protection, leadership or support, he simply doesn?t feel like much of a man. She has met the challenge and turned out to be a better man than he is. Such women are repulsive to him. Just as sheltering a woman produces extreme satisfaction in a man, not being needed produces extreme humiliation and defeat. There is no joy in doing for a woman who is perfectly capable of doing for herself.



In the Presence of a Feminine, Dependent Woman

A soft, tender, gentle, trustful, dependent woman brings out a hardly perceptible feeling of protection that expands from himself to her. Such a woman gives him a pleasurable feeling of manly strength and power that is extremely gratifying. He feels more of a man, more capable, stronger, and bigger than he is. We tend to think that such a woman would cause a feeling of disgust or contempt due to lack of ability and masculine feelings, but quite the opposite happens - it brings out the best in him.



Admiration of the Independent Woman

There are times when an efficient, able, masculine type of woman receives the admiration of men. She may rival men with her management skills, be decisive and ingenious, and high up in the business world. The type of admiration a woman like this receives from a man is the same he would bestow on another man. It is doubtful he will find her attractive or that she will awaken his manliness. There are many such women who seem to have the respect of men, but the respect is seldom turned into love. It simply doesn?t cross his mind to think of cherishing and protecting her for a lifetime.

We have to remember what matters to a man when he is seeking to enhance his own manliness. It?s not that he doesn?t admire these women - they are healthy, charming and enjoyable, but they are not fascinated by them. They lack certain characteristics that stir a man?s masculine emotions. They have an air about them that says, ?I can handle things on my own. I can kill my own snakes.? that clashes with the feminine nature. Those women that we admire aren?t all that thrilling to men. We wonder what they see in the brainless dolls. It?s the women with the frail dependency and need for men that thrill them.

A man wants a woman who is part angel with a character he can look up to as even better than his own; then he wants her to be a helpless creature that he would like to scoop up in his arms to cherish and protect. The independent woman has the qualities of an angel, but are lacking those human qualities that endear her to the opposite sex.



What If You Are a Large Woman?

What if you are a strong woman? What if you have a large build or excess weight? How can you seem to be tender, soft, delicate, dependent and trustful? It is certain - size has nothing to do with having a feminine nature. You can appear fragile and delicate to a man if you follow specific guidelines. You don?t have to be little and delicate to appear so to a man.

Sometimes you will see a small man married to a large woman. In many cases he does not see her as large. She has developed a feminine nature that is soft and sweet and he sees her as such. She makes the impression of being delicate with traits like depending on him, needing him, relying on him and trusting him. She has successfully disguised her overpowering figure.



Traits of the Feminine Nature

Weakness: Men are strong and firm with an air of hardness about them. Women are, in contrast, weak, delicate and soft. This does not mean they have weak characters - they are angelic!

Submissiveness: Men are the leaders and guides. Women are adaptable, changeable, and trustful. These traits make it easier to submit to her husband?s authority.

Dependence: Men are to provide the living, do strenuous work and protect women and children from harm. Women are to lean on men, trust them, allow them to protect and care for them. The definition of feminine dependency is a woman?s need for masculine care and protection. Don?t be so able to ?kill your own snakes?.

Tenderness: Tender feelings are part of the feminine woman. Movies, songs, books, and even television commercials will move her to tears. She has a strong sense of sympathy and has tender emotions toward the helpless. Don?t try to hide or be ashamed of these feelings. This is another fascinating trait to a man.

Fearfulness: Every feminine woman has a tendency to have a natural fear of dangers - either real or imagined. Men have the opposite tendency to be unafraid, especially when they have control over the situation. Sometimes men will place women in a dangerous situation just to show their own fearlessness in the face of a woman?s fright. This makes them feel extremely masculine.
The smaller or sillier the fear a woman needs protection from, the more masculine a man will feel. When he rescues a woman from a mouse or a spider, a loud or strange noise, darkness, or some other trifle he feels manly and strong. He can easily laugh at these small things and gain much satisfaction from saving his damsel in distress.



How to Awaken Your Feminine Nature

Acquire a Feminine Attitude:

Acquire a dependency on masculine strength. Let go of your masculine strength, masculine abilities, masculinecompetence, masculine fearlessness. Excel in your feminine abilities, but get rid of the masculine tendencies. Read and study the 3 A?s until they become your nature. Be adaptable to his life and his agenda.

Eliminate the Masculine Work:

You must be careful in this area. You need to discover what masculine work you are doing and be ready to give them up, but you cannot demand that your husband take a masculine job. To do this is to exert the control in the situation. You must make your case to your husband, explain the details to him, tell him why you need him to do this work, but the decision is still in his hands. If he agrees, great! But if he doesn?t readily accept the job you are trying to give over to him, that?s ok, too.

If you find you are stuck with a masculine job, keep doing the job in the most feminine manner you can, always asking for help and advice whenever possible. You do not need to do the job with masculine efficiency and gusto! In fact, it will be detrimental to you as a woman to do so. Live the principles of Fascinating Womanhood for a time, then approach him again. When you are doing your job well, he may be more willing to take some of the responsibilities.

Be Submissive:

I have said it before and I?ll say it again - submission is a highly active endeavor. You don?t just become a doormat or a mouse and call yourself submissive - no, no, no! Submission requires strength of character, a firm knowledge of your wonderful place as a woman, and (pardon the expression) guts. It?s no job for a weakling. It takes a strong woman to willingly yield to the leadership of another of higher authority. And don?t forget, this authority has been vested in your husband by an even Higher Authority. The subject isn?t open for discussion or debate.



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Posted on Wed, Feb 23, 2011 23:11

I am, by nature, a naturally submissve woman, My heart was badly broken and I had to train myself to be stonger. Can I take care of myself, yes,, do I like it, no, not really. I guess you can say I agree with the op but in my case, I'm really "gun shy" so it'll take a lot of trust before I give up my heart again.



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Posted on Mon, Jul 02, 2007 21:50

your awsome



As a Shakti and Tantrica I have seen a lot of confusion regarding BDSM and Kama Sutra and Tantrics in my work with people seeking out better ways of interacting with those they love with intimate relations and with sexual expression.
Most of us look at Kama Sutra and Tantrics as forms of sexual expression. Not true at all. Tantrics techniques , meditations, chanting, mandalas etc , have every little to do with sexual expression and most Tantric sects teach no sexual interelation at all. That said there are basic tenets and techniques for tantric sex, but this takes much instruction in and study in exactly what Tantra is in the first place, then Tantrics can be applied to the sexual experience.
Kama, aka Kama Sutra, Koka Shostra, many ancient Egyptian, Greek and Roman texts etc. are not just sex manuals, or "how to's', not at all, and actually a very small portion has to do with the actual sex act, or various positions. They do have to do with the interaction between a male and a female, and interactions and behavior within the community, both with acquaintances and strangers. They instruct a person on how to be a male, and how to be a female and how to nurture the best in both sexes. In all situations.
They are the finest examples and teachings on respectful and loving natural dominance and submission.

Here is an article that I thought did a fairly good job..for a start:

The feminine nature has a weakness, softness, and delicateness about it. A feminine woman leans toward trustfulness, adaptability, and fearfulness. She is submissive to her husband and has a dependency upon men for their care and protection. In contrast, the masculine nature is stronger, harder, firmer. Men are natural leaders and guides, and as such, they have a natural tendency to command. They are competent, aggressive and protective. The feminine woman lacks these masculine tendencies.



Awaken Your Man

Feminine dress causes



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Posted on Thu, Feb 22, 2007 11:20

A very good Blog, thank you. Devoted, you hit the nail on the head. First of all, in order to be submissive {and trust me, many who think they are, simply are not} you must trust the other human being. This realm goes deeper than most can comprehend. Even before a relationship can be created, there must be a high level of respect for one another. That occurs through communication and a lot of it.That aspect should never change, or there will be serious problems within the relationship. Then and only then can trust fold into this. Once this happens, it becomes a whole. Being submissive isn't something you learn to be especially if one is calling themselves a natural submissive. It is already a part of whom you are. It was there in the beginning and will be there in the end. Understanding the biblical term for this in Genesis that God created man in his imagine and that He felt it was not good for man to be alone, so therefore He created woman, from man, for man. Does this mean that woman is to be treated beneath then man. No, he should love and adore the woman as he does his church and as he loves God, but God is always to be first. I'm a firm believer that NO book or written advice/ belief is for ALL submissive's except for the one writing it. Those are his/her perceptions. We all have our own ideas and opinions. Perhaps guidelines are needed and requested by some who are learning and being taught and I don't personally think that is a bad thing as long as the person learning is their own person and understands how to be true to themselves. I state this as a fact: That every single submissive and dominant relationships are different and more times than one it is created in a (safe sane and consensual manner,)or should be. No twos are ever the same. Each have their own limits. My motto is and has always been: Respect, trust, loyalty, honor and love, all in that order.

Have a great day :-)

passion



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Posted on Sat, Dec 16, 2006 05:39

can you give me any information about people that like listening to the sound of the heart? :) thanks.



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Posted on Tue, Dec 05, 2006 08:54


Hi Sharp1,

I know I posed the question from a religious view point since you are Christian. But funny you say you are liberal Christian but I agree with your perception in discussing things on major issues for harmony sake than doing it unilatery and causing hardship for the other spouse coping with the decision. I think if both can't agree it should not be incorporated in their lives period.

I believe it doesn't matter if the Bible is 5000 years old, the teaching can be incorporated in today living. People can twist things around but the Lord said he changes not.

The Bible also says in Ephesian to love our wives, I conclude if a man really love his wife he never leaves her in the dark about things which is happening in his life. In Ephesian 5:28-29 " So Husbands ought to love tehir wives as their own bodies; he who loves his wife loves himself. 29 For no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as the Lord does the church." Strong word for the half believing Christians. So I think your interpretation was very valid because real love " nourishes and cherishes one another. I consider myself a conservative Christian though.

Admire you..BQ



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Posted on Mon, Dec 04, 2006 23:38

I also know myself... I am not very receptive to someone giving me orders and telling me what to do. That would get my back up. I prefer to be asked in a nice way. And I in turn would ask politely. How do you think I get along with my daughter so well? She's just like me! I have to treat her with respect and ask her to do things nicely eg: chores, versus telling her "do this". It's simple consideration for another person.



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Posted on Mon, Dec 04, 2006 23:09

Okay BQ...I replied then deleted, because you posed a question with respect to religion, and on this forum I don't think it's wise for me to reply...I'm liable to be attacked.

I am a Christian...but we can vary in our beliefs, and I would say I am a more liberal Christian. I think the Bible is open to interpretation, and the World has evolved tremendously in the past 2000+ yrs.

I will say that I agree with what Jenna says regarding male and females. I like a man to be stronger than myself to depend on, even though I know that I am a strong woman, and capable of depending on myself.
But the last paragraph...I envision some couples I know, who are very religious, and I don't happen to agree with their views. EG: A women should not be giving her opinion, unless the man asks for it. A women may make menial decisions regarding purchases of groceries, kids clothes, school...but anything that might be considered a big ticket item ie. furniture, vehicle, real estate, stocks...those are decisions that ONLY the man can make, and he can and does make them without consulting his wife...the better half, I might add! lol
I happen to believe that a couple should discuss ALL major purchases, and major decisions that affect themselves and their family...whatever the decision may be. 50/50... It should not be one sided.
Would you agree?



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Posted on Sun, Dec 03, 2006 06:29

sharp1 write:
Nope

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Hi Sharp1,

I was wondering about your opinion, just thoughts flying around here and there in my head; after reading Jenna post,.In the Bible it says "every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord" Phillipian 2:11 at His second coming..since you say you are Christian, you will acknowledge Him as Lord..now when you come in the presence of the Lord and he ask you why you are diagreeing with Him on His order of things, in example Genesis 3:16,,I am not saying order like taking an order like the military but the order of balance and harmony..what will you say when you see with "His 2 nail printed hands and a hole in His side" Luke 24:38-39 and He ask you why don't you believe in His Words and order of things "harmony" ?

It is out of admiration I ask you such a particular question. I see Jenna point clear..we can't go against God order..history has proven when we do we screw up things pretty bad.

BQ



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Posted on Sat, Dec 02, 2006 09:01

Nope



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Posted on Fri, Dec 01, 2006 19:35

I don't totally disagree Jenna.

Two simple questions Sharp. Have you ever found a man you would do anything for? Would you trust him to have your best interest at heart?

If answering yes to both I would not say NEVER!

-D.



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Posted on Wed, Nov 29, 2006 18:25

I'm with you Devoted...I can not agree with the Submissive point.

"It takes a strong woman to willingly yield to the leadership of another of higher authority. And don?t forget, this authority has been vested in your husband by an even Higher Authority."

Excuse me???!!! She is referring to 'men' as being a 'higher authority' which was vested to them by a 'higher authority' ... meaning GOD!!!

YIKES! I stay far away from people with such archaic thinking! FAR FAR AWAY!



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Posted on Tue, Nov 28, 2006 12:26

A Man could easily get in trouble commenting on Jenna's post. But what the hay!

I don't completely agree on the submissive advise. What is missing is the word trust. You must trust a person before submitting. Secondly not mentioned is freewill, a person has to freely be willing to submit to another.



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Posted on Tue, Oct 17, 2006 18:36

Jenna, that was awesome. All of it I agree with, so beautiful. but for the whole thing to come together just right. Two people must have that primal urge for the other.

Something i have not experienced in the longest time, but will wait for.



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Posted on Sun, Oct 15, 2006 14:41

I really enjoyed your post. Thank you for sharing.

~ Jill



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Posted on Mon, Mar 20, 2006 12:15

Wow Jenna I really enjoyed reading your post. Don't be discourage just because no has commented as of yet. It takes a while but once a recognized name post on your thread others will come. Enjoy the MM experience and I hope that mine is the first of many responses to come.

  


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Posted on Sun, Mar 19, 2006 08:28

Continued:
As a submissive woman, avoid hard, unyielding opinions. Yes, he wants to hear your opinion, but it must be expressed in a feminine manner. Remember, however, that I am talking here of the more human opinions. Never yield in your morals or those traits that make you the woman he has on a pedestal.

Don?t Hide Your Fearfulness:

It?s charming to a man for a woman to be in need of his masculine care and protection. Grip is arm a little tighter when you step off a curb or ask him to take care of the spider in the tub.

Don?t Hide Your Tender Emotions:

The tears you express when you watch a sad movie, hear a touching story, or learn of the plight of the innocent are touching to a man and awaken his tender emotions toward you. Do not suppress these emotions. Even if they laugh, they are touched.

Don?t Try to Excel Him:

It?s fine for you to be grade A in your feminine sphere, but please don?t compete with your man in his arena, and by all means don?t do better than he does in a masculine area. Don?t be stronger, less fearful, more decisive, or less wavering. Don?t compete in the area of wages or prestige in the workplace.

Invite His Care and Protection:

Let him care for you in small things. Ask him to open tight lids on jars, allow him to open your door, let him help you with your coat. Don?t be so quick to do these things yourself. Give him time to do them and always express your appreciation for his kindness and care.

Live Your Feminine Role:

There is no better place to develop your feminine nature and depth of character than in your own home. Your home is the best workshop for learning the gentle arts and the soft traits of the feminine nature.



The Sweet Promise

While feminine dependence and frailty are desirable feminine traits, there needs to be an assurance that when you are put to the test in an emergency or by some necessity you will have the strength and fortitude to meet the need. This is what Mrs. Andelin calls ?the Sweet Promise? and your husband needs to know he can depend on you should the circumstance arise.



What the Feminine Nature Awakens in a Man

The feminine nature makes a man more willing to offer his care and protection. As he begins to care for a woman his love and tenderness toward her grows. When you are too independent and self-sufficient he feels no need for caring for you and this causes his love and tenderness to fade. He loves that which he shelters and protects. When you display a feminine nature it awakens his need to take care of you, do things for you, protect you, shelter you and devote himself to you. While he is doing these things his feelings of love deepen.

Never forget: A man will not offer his care and protection when he senses it is not needed, or that his efforts will be ridiculed. The woman, who with her feminine nature and dependency, makes him feel wanted, needed and appreciated will be dear to him. You can win his love and affection as you develop your feminine nature.
This may bring much debate, but remember this is not here to challenge anyone or to change thier personalities, but to give insight on what is a natural behavior in most mammals, primarily as a means to survivial... Survival of the mind , body, soul and flesh... not just the species.



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