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Posted on Sat, Dec 03, 2005 01:13

(This is dedicated to the lovely and intelligent DormaVirgo)

Hi everyone!
The purpose of this thread is for members who enjoy a variety of Foreign
Policy as well as Domestic Policy, and Political discussions.....To post here!

So enjoy yourselves and keep us informed as well as politically stimulated....

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Posted on Wed, Dec 07, 2005 12:14

sharp1 write:
Well, I didn't want to bring her up, because it seems a moot point. It seems all the Presidents had a back door for a discreet lady didn't they? Clinton's mistake was that Monica wasn't discreet! lol


Given that you were asking about Bubba Clinton earlier I'm not sure I would use the term "back door" it could give someone the wrong impression.



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Posted on Wed, Dec 07, 2005 10:36

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billzeke write:

sharp1 write:
Well, I didn't want to bring her up, because it seems a moot point. It seems all the Presidents had a back door for a discreet lady didn't they? Clinton's mistake was that Monica wasn't discreet! lol



Some presidents, but not all. George Washington is considered the father of our country. You used see a lot of signs that said Geo. Washington slept here. The joke was "No wonder he was the father of our country." lol. JFK sure had a lot better taste in women than does Bill Clinton.


Ha! So even G.W. fooled around huh? lol
You're right...JFK had great taste in women! I wonder what jokes would have gone around about Marilyn?



Wow. That's ancient history, Sharp. It's even from before my time. lol.

  


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Posted on Wed, Dec 07, 2005 10:31

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sharp1 write:
Well, I didn't want to bring her up, because it seems a moot point. It seems all the Presidents had a back door for a discreet lady didn't they? Clinton's mistake was that Monica wasn't discreet! lol



Some presidents, but not all. George Washington is considered the father of our country. You used see a lot of signs that said Geo. Washington slept here. The joke was "No wonder he was the father of our country." lol. JFK sure had a lot better taste in women than does Bill Clinton.

Ha! So even G.W. fooled around huh? lol
You're right...JFK had great taste in women! I wonder what jokes would have gone around about Marilyn?



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Posted on Wed, Dec 07, 2005 06:23

sharp1 write:
Well, I didn't want to bring her up, because it seems a moot point. It seems all the Presidents had a back door for a discreet lady didn't they? Clinton's mistake was that Monica wasn't discreet! lol


Some presidents, but not all. George Washington is considered the father of our country. You used see a lot of signs that said Geo. Washington slept here. The joke was "No wonder he was the father of our country." lol. JFK sure had a lot better taste in women than does Bill Clinton.



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Posted on Wed, Dec 07, 2005 05:59

Well, I didn't want to bring her up, because it seems a moot point. It seems all the Presidents had a back door for a discreet lady didn't they? Clinton's mistake was that Monica wasn't discreet! lol



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Posted on Wed, Dec 07, 2005 05:19

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I think JFK set the precedent. Ask Marilyn.



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Posted on Wed, Dec 07, 2005 00:08

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sharp1 write:
Any thoughts on Clinton Lee? :-)



Which one? I have very differing thoughts on both of them. Unfortunately neither of them are good thoughts. I do however, think more of them than I do those two Massholes in the Senate.

Is that a picture of those 2 Massholes? lol
Sheesh...JFK might be rollin' in his grave due to the precedence his relatives have been setting the last few decades.


Not only that but the one that ran for president last time against Bush is even using his initials. It's a sad day. Sad I tell ya.

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Posted on Tue, Dec 06, 2005 17:55

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sharp1 write:
Any thoughts on Clinton Lee? :-)



Which one? I have very differing thoughts on both of them. Unfortunately neither of them are good thoughts. I do however, think more of them than I do those two Massholes in the Senate.

Is that a picture of those 2 Massholes? lol
Sheesh...JFK might be rollin' in his grave due to the precedence his relatives have been setting the last few decades.



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Posted on Tue, Dec 06, 2005 11:25

sharp1 write:
Any thoughts on Clinton Lee? :-)


Which one? I have very differing thoughts on both of them. Unfortunately neither of them are good thoughts. I do however, think more of them than I do those two Massholes in the Senate.

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Posted on Mon, Dec 05, 2005 21:57

Any thoughts on Clinton Lee? :-)



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Posted on Mon, Dec 05, 2005 21:27

dormavirgo write:
Robec 15 out 19 hijackers on 9/11 were Saudi dissidents.
the other four hijackers were from Jordan, Syria, and Egypt.

Not one Iraqi was a hijacker
No WMD"s No Uranium Niger Connection.
Faulty intelligence period.

We have many Connections in this current administration to the Saudi Royal family.
Yes I stand firm we do protect Saudi Arabia and our intersts laughs back at ya.


Dorma I have only been here for a few days and I already have an immense respect for your intelligence and research. The fact that I disagree with you politically has nothing to do with that. I just wanted to throw that in for good measure. I am a card carrying member of Free Republic, the largest conservative site on the web, and have been since it was formed. That fact does not mean I agree with everything that the conservatives have done either.

Just a few examples of the waste in our government:

1. The Department of Education has NEVER educated anyone.

2. The Department of Energy has NEVER produced a drop of oil, a chunk of coal or a volt of electricity.

3. The Senate is a boys club for the most incompetent b00bs in the United States.

Personally when voting I look for three things.

1. Have they ever been inside a law school? If so, they don't get my vote under any circumstances.

2. Have they ever attended an Ivy League college? If so, they don't get my vote.

3. Do they say they will help us disabled veterans? If so, they are lying bastards and they don't get my vote.

Pretty simple all in all.

Kerry committed treason while a member of the US Navy. He twice met with Madam Binh.

"I have been to Paris. I have talked with both delegations at the peace talks, that is to say the Democratic Republic of Vietnam and the Provisional Revolutionary Government," Kerry said.

Kerry referred to an eight-point withdrawal plan that was offered to the U.S. by Madame Nguyen Thi Binh, then-foreign minister of the Provisional Revolutionary Government. While on his honeymoon in Paris with his first wife Julia Thorne, Kerry met with Madame Binh at a meeting that included members of both delegations to the peace talks, according to Kerry spokesman Michael Meehan.

This is one wound that will never close so long as he is in public life. Those of us that did our duty will never rest until he is defeated.

I just wanted to throw that in about Kerry in case there was any doubt about where my feelings were.

Lee

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Posted on Mon, Dec 05, 2005 06:19

Guys....this is perfect...exactly what I had hoped for.....
Great intelligent remarks, well thought out replys....Makes me actually ponder the subject....
excuse me....I will leave this to all of you guys who are smarter than I....
Love Lucky!

  


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Posted on Sat, Dec 03, 2005 17:35

Wow Dorma, you seem to be very well informed when it comes to American political history. :)

I can't say I have a great passion for it, but I do find American foreign policy interesting. Upon graduating university I had the opportunity to travel through the US in my VW camper bus for 3 months (north to south and coast to coast) and this experience really left an impression on me as to the nature and character of Americans.

Frankly, I was impressed by the kindness and generosity of the American people. Wherever I went I was greeted with warmth and hospitality. I think that this is a reality that few Europeans are aware of.

All they see are the sabre rattling American politicians and conclude that all Americans are like minded.

I think the invasions should have stopped with Afghanistan. Once the US went against the concensus of the UN and went into Iraq, the post 9/11 international empathy and support started to evaporate quickly.

Iraq has become a quagmire and I'm not sure the Iraqiis will be any better off once this whole thing plays out.....



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Posted on Sat, Dec 03, 2005 16:26

"We also in the name of our own oil interests protect Saudi Arabia and our OIL interests."

And your point is what?
You want us to stop protecting Saudi Arabia. LOL



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Posted on Sat, Dec 03, 2005 16:05

And now the true facts
from Washington Times
3/22/04

Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry complains that President Bush pursued a unilateralist foreign policy that gave short shrift to the concerns of the United Nations and our allies when it came to taking military action against Saddam Hussein. But the mounting evidence of scandal that has been uncovered in the U.N. Oil For Food program suggests that there was never a serious possibility of getting Security Council support for military action because influential people in Russia and France were getting paid off by Saddam. After the fall of Baghdad last spring, France and Russia tried to delay the lifting of sanctions against Iraq and continue the Oil for Food program. That's because France and Russia profited from it: The Times of London calculated that French and Russian companies received $11 billion worth of business from Oil for Food between 1996 and 2003.
Most disturbing are Iraqi records that suggest Benon Sevan, the executive director of the Oil for Food office, received a voucher for 11.5 million barrels of oil from Saddam's manipulation of the program ? enough to yield a profit of between $575,000 and $3.5 million.
In a series of articles published earlier this year, the Iraqi independent newspaper al Mada reported on a list of several hundred individuals, corporations and political parties that benefited from Saddam's oil vouchers and explained how the system worked. The intent of the program was to sell Iraqi oil to pay for food and medicine for the Iraqi people, who were suffering due to sanctions. Instead, vouchers were doled out as gifts or as payment for goods imported into the country in violation of U.N. sanctions. The recipient would then turn the voucher over to one of a number of firms operating in the United Arab Emirates, in exchange for commissions ranging anywhere from 5 cents to 30 cents per barrel, depending on market conditions. (This translates into a profit of $50,000 on the low end and $300,000 on the high end for every 1 million barrels worth of oil vouchers.)
The beneficiary list (found in the archives of the Iraqi Oil Ministry and translated into English by the Middle East Media Research Institute) should be deeply embarrassing to many prominent people. In the United States, those listed include Iraqi American businessman Shaker Al-Khaffaji, who put up $400,000 to produce a film by ex-U.N. weapons inspector Scott Ritter, which aimed to discredit weapons inspections in Iraq. Also, British Labor MP George Galloway, a strident foe of taking action against Saddam, is listed as a recipient or co-recipient of 19.5 million barrels.
Other recipients include: former French Interior Minister Charles Pasqua (12 million barrels); Patrick Maugein, CEO of the oil company Soco International and financial backer of French President Jacques Chirac (25 million); former French Ambassador to the United Nations Jean-Bernard Merimee (11 million); Indonesian President Megawati Sukarnoputri (10 million); and Syrian businessman Farras Mustafa Tlass, the son of longtime Syrian Defense Minister Mustafa Tlass (6 million). Leith Shbeilat, chairman of the anti-corruption committee of the Jordanian Parliament, received 15.5 million.
Right now, Claude Hankes-Drielsma, a British investigator, is auditing the program on behalf of the Iraqi government. His findings, and the records reported on in the Iraqi press, deserve serious scrutiny. If it turns out that prominent politicians and businessmen profiteered while Iraqis were deprived of basic necessities that the Oil for Food program was supposed to pay for, there should be serious consequences, up to and including criminal prosecution.



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Posted on Sat, Dec 03, 2005 15:44

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To ask the French, Germans or the Russians their political views on the war against terrorism is hilarious at best.
What have we learned over the past years.
The Germans paid terrorists groups blackmail money so their country wouldn't be the targets of any bombings. The Germans along with the French and Russians all were caught with the hands in the (cookie jar so to speak)
Two examples of the oil for food scandal. And the under the table oil contracts with Saddam Hussein. When sanctions were in effect
The French along with the Russians in the name of world alliance wouldn't help in convincing Iran to stop their nuclear advancement programs. But instead they choose to continue in supplying plans and material to the Iranians.
What is happening in the world now.
We now have a new German Chancellor , Russia has been hit with terrorist attacks almost on a daily basis Riots in France and the Canadian people have tossed out their government. And they all say we got problems...LOL

You make it sound like the government was over thrown, like a coo. But the Liberal government collapsed due to a loss of confidence vote within the House of Commons. The next day the Prime Minister had to go before the Governor General to request that he dissolve Parliament. An election for a new government will be held Jan. 23. Liberals could very well win again...I hope not.
But whether Canada's Government is dissolved or not, for a brief time period until another election can be held, it does not effect Canada's economy. Business continues to run as usual! We are a very stable country. Dissolving of our governmnet is not like the fall of the Iranian, Pakistan, Iraqi governments, etc.
Just like when Nixon resigned before his term was up...it was business as usual in the USA.



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Posted on Sat, Dec 03, 2005 09:46

To ask the French, Germans or the Russians their political views on the war against terrorism is hilarious at best.
What have we learned over the past years.
The Germans paid terrorists groups blackmail money so their country wouldn't be the targets of any bombings. The Germans along with the French and Russians all were caught with the hands in the (cookie jar so to speak)
Two examples of the oil for food scandal. And the under the table oil contracts with Saddam Hussein. When sanctions were in effect
The French along with the Russians in the name of world alliance wouldn't help in convincing Iran to stop their nuclear advancement programs. But instead they choose to continue in supplying plans and material to the Iranians.
What is happening in the world now.
We now have a new German Chancellor , Russia has been hit with terrorist attacks almost on a daily basis Riots in France and the Canadian people have tossed out their government. And they all say we got problems...LOL



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Posted on Sat, Dec 03, 2005 09:08

1234562006 write:
Thanks for the kind words, Dorma!

I might just add that I participated in a great march in Berne a few winters ago as part of the international demonstrations to try to convince Mr. Bush not to go to war. Must say that I nearly froze to death for my views, but he invaded anyway! And for WHAT???(At the risk of being bashed by the Reps, I still am so bold as not to delete the latter rhetorical question!!!)

Not just US Policies, how about World Policies and their differences. This thread was started as a bookmark for comments that were in the happy go lucky "Running for Pres" thread that somehow went awry.





It seemed like it turned into a hawk/dove atmosphere there, so my question to the other's would be:

Have any views changed from the dove's perspective in light of France's pacifist nature a couple years ago and recent events???

Please take it Tongue in Cheek 1234562006, when I ask if you traveled to France as I don't believe that the demonstrations held there were nearly so cold.

There are rarely easy answers, but opinions will always vary...

It would be wonderful if some of our French website brothers and sisters would add their perspective, as they are there and witnessing first hand, and they now understand a little better about the US perspective after 9/11.

  


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Posted on Sat, Dec 03, 2005 07:53

Lets see politics...how about the irony and ridiculousness of politics? Why is it that the business people, who know how to turn a profit and run a business always run the biggest deficit when in power? The same thing in Canada as the US - our right wing parties BOTH run or ran huge deficits, expanded government, while pitching us all on cost control, giving and less government. Why is it that the left wing in both countries run surpluses, and reduce government, while pitching us all on more government and spend and taking?

Why, with all their education and experience behind them, is the right wing so irresponsible? Why with little education and barely any experience, is the left wing so responsible?

Why are the leaders of the left wing typically uneducated, wealthy people who couldn't even begin to represent their voters if they gave up 95% of their wealth and income. When are we going to put a homeless guy in charge of the Democratic party so that their voters are represented?

I profess, I am a HUGE fan of Milton Friedman and Freedom of Choice. Don't mess with Milton, or you'll answer to me.



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