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Posted on Fri, Sep 02, 2005 16:12

still no power am att kinkos now. still consider myself very lucky power or not.

kisses everyone power MIGHT be back this weekend



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Posted on Fri, Sep 09, 2005 18:26


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Moonray77 write:
GEEEEE!!! Ladies!! Will you all take a pill and chill??? Lol...

OK, I'm taking out the big guns here!! I am contacting MM! You all need to be sent to the Ghost Club for a while...



Sharp I wouldn't call it a knock down drag out kinda thing afterall didn't I refer to it as weak. (lol)

My previous post was intended to stop the direction things were going in it's tracks, but in a humorous and harmless way. The punchline is loss on those not familiar with the history between Ciaobaby and myself from a previous thread.

Now that the air has been cleared, can we all get back to having f-u-n!



Moon...too funny! Agree! lol
K3T, guess I missed the humour, because I've only recently read a few posts by ciababy, who seems like a beautiful lady.
Fun is the aim. :-)



I leave you kids alone for a couple of days and look what I come back to!!!!

...)



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Posted on Fri, Sep 09, 2005 11:23


Moonray77 write:
GEEEEE!!! Ladies!! Will you all take a pill and chill??? Lol...

OK, I'm taking out the big guns here!! I am contacting MM! You all need to be sent to the Ghost Club for a while...



Sharp I wouldn't call it a knock down drag out kinda thing afterall didn't I refer to it as weak. (lol)

My previous post was intended to stop the direction things were going in it's tracks, but in a humorous and harmless way. The punchline is loss on those not familiar with the history between Ciaobaby and myself from a previous thread.

Now that the air has been cleared, can we all get back to having f-u-n!



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Posted on Fri, Sep 09, 2005 05:46


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Dr. Barbie....Im very Humbled by your compliment towards me.
I have always thought of you as one of the classiest,,smartest ..and most beautiful women on here...and you are in a good class!

Can I send your check later? it seems we may be dealing with our own Ofiella.. in Fla..and looks like its path might take it straight to Jax..

Im not asking for your sympathy though..just that my payment might be late getting there from the storm..

Sharp..you know I admire and Respect you as always..and we always agree to disagree..but in the end you know Im always right..hahahaha J/K.

Loves Ya girlys.
In a totally non-lesbo way of course!!!!

Ah Butter screw the cheque I just heard the news. My thoughts and prayers are with you and all other Atlantic coast residents.

Ophelia hovers just off Florida's northeast coast
Hurricane's path remains uncertain; would be 3rd to strike state this year

I understand this is third hurricane to strike Florida this year and the seventh in 13 months. Ophelia is the 15th named storm of the season.

Thank god These people around there are veterans. They are already prepared,? said Rick Storm, a clerk at a Wal-Mart Supercenter in Merritt Island. ?They are fully stocked and ready to go.?Many Atlantic coast residents have learned from previous experiences and have already stocked up on batteries, water and nonperishable food.



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Posted on Fri, Sep 09, 2005 00:19


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sharp1 write:
Whew! What a thread! Are we all PMS'g at once? lol
I too interpreted Weelassy's post the way Minnie did. And considering Weelassy apologized after Minnie mentioned it to her, I'd have to say her initial interpretation was accurate.
I think there are a few misinterpretations happening here. And no matter how one interpreted Belle's initial post, I don't think she deserved one after another person's dumping on her.
Consider this...have you ever had one of those days when something goes wrong, then another thing goes wrong, and another, and you just think not another thing better go wrong, because I've had it!
Well, it works the same when one person takes a strip of you, then a 2nd person, and then a 3rd person, which is basically what happened here. It's like who else would like to jump on this band wagon! Whether intended or not, when you are the recipient of all the negativity, I'll bet it sure feels like you are being ganged up on!
By Elle's last post, do you get the impression she may have felt that way?
Now put yourself in her shoes, and consider how you'd feel after the 3 or 4 posts telling her how she is feeling sorry for herself, when there are so many thousands of people in much worse conditions.

Suni's post - are words of wisdom and should be noted and considered by all. We are not all the same people, and do not cope and handle things in the same manner. Some of us need that moral support from the people we perceive to be friends, because the trauma of what happened or could have happened bothers us enough that we need that comfort. We need to know that our 'perceived' friends care. Some more than others.
I read the thread initially, and I don't know Elle cyberly well, so I didn't post. But after reading all the negative posts above...I was rather blown away! And thought there was alot of over reacting occurring.

I use this site as a form of escapism, to have fun when I have free time. I'm not much of a TV watcher, but considering taking it up! I assume Elle, and all of you use this site for similar reasons. The fun is lost when on the receiving end of so many lengthy negative posts. The fun is also lost in just being a bystander reading them!
Something to consider.

Butter when you posted regarding the person who was shot and killed outside the store. I assumed you did so because you were shaken up by the incident and needed to share it. I'm certain I would have needed to talk about it too, to help me get over it.

I hope my post makes sense to everyone.

My opinion? No one asks nor do they know me well but I have been reading the forums for a few months. Sharp, your post is well written and clearly understood. People that are ripping apart Elle and referring to how many hurricanes they have been in are being ridiculous. Sharp you are just that, your words are wise. Butterfly, why don't you drop the issue and go spend some time with the victims?

Welcome to the boards Jenny. I must inform you that after viewing what you typed you obviously have not been a ghost viewer for months. If that had been the case you would know that Butter has never been insultive or rude. She is one of the nicest most level headed women on the threads that always seeks to restore balance and change the negative direction to a more positive one. And everyone will vouch for that....2 thumbs up Butter.

Secondly if you have been following as long as you state you would then know that Elle and Butter are friends and have spoken often off and on the site.

Did you forget this is a forum to express ones thoughts? That does not mean you have to like what you view however you need to be able to roll with the punches....can you do that?...lol


I certainetly hope so as strength is needed to battle with the NYCHICK....lmao....she is mean and i AM NICE.....wink wink....

Speaking of volunteering what are you doing to help??????????


No worries Sharp I still wuv your wonderful soul....Your buddy

By the way Sharp anymore new updates with the potential cruise??? I am spreading the news

One other thing you are so gorgeous love the new pic Maayan...I think you captured the heart of our Goober chicken Fanny...lol

Tootsie Dippin Chunks signing out

Peace people...lol...or do you all need some Ativan to relax.....Prescription Pad in my hand...lol

  


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Posted on Thu, Sep 08, 2005 23:10


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You are correct my sincere apologies Elle




We need to be careful when we pull both barrels of the shotgun --it might knock you on your own azz. If you miss, then the bear will eat you for sure.

Just some good old country boy logic.

Well good old country boy. I appreciate your view and advice....thank you for shedding some light. I have always enjoyed reading all your post as they are articulate and intelligent...always raising debates and causing ones thoughts to ponder and think....Bravo

In terms of a shot gun and knocking ones wee arse lol well my dear I apologized not because I was wrong in my thought process but only as a measure for preventing what I forseen as one ( Elle) potentially having a break down. I felt sad that I may have contributed to her already weak soul that seeks so much undue attention in order for her to feel
accepted and worthy in the human race. I truly wish she would have more self confidence and stop the poor wee me thing. Very simple I have zero tolerance for ones that pretend to be something they are not and her love to cast voo doo spells...lol....she has said in the past she loves to draw on negative energy...lmao.....

Wake up me Lad...or has she s*uckered you too...lol

  


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Posted on Thu, Sep 08, 2005 21:31


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You are correct my sincere apologies Elle




We need to be careful when we pull both barrels of the shotgun --it might knock you on your own azz. If you miss, then the bear will eat you for sure.

Just some good old country boy logic.



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Posted on Thu, Sep 08, 2005 13:29

Ciaobaby I need you over at the "alive and well" thread, there's a weak cat fight going on.

No one has threaten to put someone at the bottom of a river. This ain't s*hit! You and I need to show them the right way it's done.



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Posted on Thu, Sep 08, 2005 08:17

GEEEEE!!! Ladies!! Will you all take a pill and chill??? Lol...

OK, I'm taking out the big guns here!! I am contacting MM! You all need to be sent to the Ghost Club for a while...

  


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Posted on Thu, Sep 08, 2005 07:16


butterflynjax write:
Ok...I read this post an hour ago..I wasnt going to reply..as I need to get to work..its 4:22am....but I feel compelled..

First of all Sharp,,,how many Hurricanes have you been through? If you have ever been through a hurricane , you might have posted differently..anyways..
I have been through a LOT..after all I am a Florida native,,ok,,so I think I am well qualified to make the responses that I have made..
Bella forgive myself..wee..and K3T, for our unsympathic attitude..after all you are how far from the storm..oh you said 5 hours..haha..
You all remember Hurricane Andrew that hit Miami.. one of the worst in history..Miami is 5 hours from me..we didnt feel a thing..and no power outages here either..last year 2 came through Orlando..and through Punta Gorda..and Tampa..5 hrs from me to the west..and another in Pensecola..3 or 4 hrs to the west...my point..we never even had 1 power outage,,much less roof damage or anything of the sort.
A hurricane usually only causes damage within maybe an hour away from the center..if that.
Bella forgive us for our unsensitivity towards you...gosh..how can I be thinking of all the familys in N.O. and Mississippi and alabama Coast..for all there loss..shame on us for thinking about those people who cant find their Loved Ones..and the baby's that are starving..who havent eaten in days..and for the familys who have members laying in the streets in N.O. dead..and rats eating the flesh off them in the streets..how dare us for being so insensitive to poor Bella..her family who still hads everything,,except maybe power right now..after all the Hurricane victims wont have it for months..
To think we wouldnt feel sorry for her having to go to Kinkos to plug in,,her Laptop..he parents probably wouldnt waste the generator on the laptop...arent they mean? I spoke to her during the last storm when it was coming on shore in that area..so I knew her well being..and that she has a very comfortable lifestyle with her parents..much unlike the Katrina victims.
Sorry for your Pain bella.

As far as the comment ,,Sharp about the shooting at work...Never was I asking for sympathy,,only stated my thoughts,,as to what it must be like to be in that much pain to committ suicide,,and to be so selfish to leave that pain to your love ones..that was my point on that topic..I also stated that it changed my life and thinking..and that I will never look at my life the same ,,much less take my life for granted..maybe you should read it again..

Bella...your parting remark kinda remides me of Steve,,he always said that ,,"have a nice Life""
lol..we all get what we deserve? I am sure that you will too..whatever that was supposed to mean!
Good Luck..but I know you will be back..
Ciao!!!!!



Thank you for eloquently stating what need to be said Butter.

Once again, as the old saying goes. "I wept because I had no shoes until I saw the man who had no feet."

Elle I'm sure your pain is real and we are not implying you are insignificant, to the contrary, we care about the well-being of not only you but everyone on the forum. We love and value you.

As Butter stated the Katrina disaster and the unfortunate incident she witnessed at her workplace should provide a valuable gauge to determine what really matters in life.



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Posted on Wed, Sep 07, 2005 23:43

i have one more question then im done with mm am a ghost poster already so who knows when it will show up...

how is im alive and well a cry for sympathy??? i thought it was more a celebration for me and my family in hattiesberg making it out alive and relatively unscathed.

have a nice life ladies i hope you get what you deserve



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Posted on Wed, Sep 07, 2005 23:08


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im approxiatley 5 hrs from new orleans and consider myself lucky to be alive. and have all my family and myself in one piece. you arent down here so dont go off on something you know nothing about when i got to kinkos i had several e-mails from mm members asking if i was OK this method was easier so bit*e me...

Care to indicate who you are making this reference to?



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Posted on Tue, Sep 06, 2005 19:42

Ladies:

Elle was sharing her frustration for what was happening in her life. Right or wrong in her post she felt the need to come to MM and seek compassion for what she was going through. I think all of us are spoiled with having what we feel are necessaties in life and having those things taken away can bring on feelings of despair. I don't think any of us are exempt from those feelings when we lose something we are use to having. How we deal with those feelings depends on how well we can adapt to the change in our environment. Some adapt better than others.

Elle...glad you are doing well under the circumstances.

  


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Posted on Tue, Sep 06, 2005 14:25

did i here me complaining...

NO i did not this whole topic now disgusts me...

i believe i stated i was thankful to be alive...

have a nice life people ive had it with mm...

really get a hobby...



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Posted on Tue, Sep 06, 2005 13:53


butterflynjax write:
Ladies...ladies...lets not argue over the fact that someone posted something ..we didnt like..ok??
Now....listen up...ok..because I also felt kinda the way that WEE felt...Bella,,you sounded a little selfish to me also..I know that you are ok,,we all know that,,and with all the sufferings ,,and loss in N.O..and Alabama Coast..and Mississippi,,you are very lucky,,you also seemed to me that you wanted a little sympathy..who cares..actually I just ignored you altogether,,I felt you were just wanting a little attention,,BTW,,you are a big girl now..
That is my opinion,,and really i dont care what anyone else thinks about it,,cause its mine and not yours,,get it?

Now as far as Minny,,I think her post is being taken a little too harshly also...words are just words,,we dont know how she feels inside..I dont think she is in anyway making light of the situation..besides if ya wanna blame someone..
Blame the mayor of N.O.. I feel that he should have sent out busses to all the neighborhoods and gottewn those people out of there 3 days prior..He was warning them to leave..he knew the problems that would occur in N.O.,,he new that there were a lot of people who could not leave,,he knew this..this was his responsibility to get them out,,just like he had to in the end,,unfortunately a little too late.
He new that the city could not withstand a Cat4 or even a 5 hurricane,,anyone with half a brain knows that about N.O..
So if ya wanna point a finger..point it to him...not Bush..not FEMA,,but their own Mayor..he should have sent boats,,ships,,busses,,whatever he needed to do BEFORE the hurricane got there to evacuate the people.
thanks ..thats my 2 cents,,and im sticking to it!
and btw,,,Bella,.,,i knew you were ok,,we chatted..and I asked you many times..so dont sit there having a poor me feeling that noone new..besides its all over the news,,that Your area was fine..last uear..we lost power in FL too,,we loose it every year from hurricanes..i dont feel sorry for myself..we have nothing to complain about...we have food,,water,,we are dry..and if sometimes have to go without power,,big deal! at least you arent in a flood!
Gosh..my heart feels so bad for those people over there,,how can anyone feel sorry for themselves, if we take our eyes off of ourselves just for a little while..you might think of someone besides poor ole me!!!!



Excellent post Butter. The mayor of N.O. mishandled the matter. You are absolutely correct. I'm sure after all is said and done there will be plenty of finger-pointing to go around.

You and Sharp are fantastic forum mediators.

Farcus Hiney



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Posted on Tue, Sep 06, 2005 13:12


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Knock3, I didn't misconstrue weelassy's comment. The tone of her words was pretty clear.

But I agree with you about the rest. I wish I was there to help out in some way. It's so terrible what has happened to all these people! I cannot imagine how it must feel to lose your home and everything you had, not mention of course losing your loved ones in such a catastrophe without any warning.... well there was a warning to leave town but not all paid attention to it unfortunately and they paid for it with their lives.



Are my eyes deceiving me? Are you placing blame on the citizens? Minerva it's obvious you are commenting on a subject you know nothing about. The massive flooding resulted from the broken levees which took everyone by surprise. Also this is cyberland how can you detect Weelassy's tone?

I've included two articles from The Guardian and The Washington Post that should help you understand how complex the evacuation indeed was.

Yesss some people stubbornly stayed behind but they were the exception. The roadways and streets became overcrowded as thousands attempted to flee which caused a traffic jam. Not to mention the handicapped, elderly and those with no autombile or finances to move swiftly.

The articles are as follows and the full content is available via search engines:


New Orleans orders 3m to flee as hurricane nears

Richard Luscombe in Miami and Jamie Wilson in Baton Rouge
Monday August 29, 2005
The Guardian


Authorities in New Orleans yesterday took the unprecedented step of ordering the evacuation of the city in anticipation of the arrival of the biggest storm in its history.
The 3 million residents were told to flee as Hurricane Katrina, bringing winds of 175mph and threatening catastrophic flooding, blew in from the Gulf of Mexico.

Roads out of the city were gridlocked and the airport swamped as families tried to reach higher ground. Emergency management officials warned that there could be "massive loss of life" if the expected 20ft storm surge breached the city's flood defences.



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"This is the real deal. Anyone who can get out should go now," the city's mayor, Ray Nagin, warned.
Katrina, which claimed nine lives in Florida last week as a much weaker storm, gained strength significantly as it headed north across the Gulf of Mexico towards the Louisiana coastline. It was expected to make landfall early today as only the fourth hurricane of category five intensity to strike the US mainland since at least 1935. The last was Hurricane Andrew, which hit Florida in 1992.

The biggest danger to life was from floodwaters; they could reach up to 20ft in the downtown area of New Orleans, which is six feet below sea level and surrounded by the Gulf of Mexico, Lake Pontchartain and the Mississippi river.

Flood defences built after Hurricane Betsey in 1965, a storm that killed 61 and left the city under seven feet of water for weeks, would be unable to withstand the onslaught of a direct hit from Katrina, experts warned. "Within a 10-hour period, the entire metropolitan area could be totally devastated, gone," said Walter Maestri, one of the city's emergency managers.

New Orleans was built in the 19th century on reclaimed swampland and any rain in excess of an inch frequently causes some flooding in the city. Weather experts say that Katrina could bring 20 inches of rain.

Up to 3 million people live in the city's metropolitan area, many more than in the 1960s when Betsey hit. But despite the evacuation order, more than 100,000 residents are expected to remain in the city.

Hotels will remain open for tourists who cannot escape, while the Louisiana Superdome has been pressed into service as a shelter of last resort, according to the mayor. "It will fill up quickly and not be comfortable," he said, urging anyone who came to bring food and supplies for five days.

Diehard residents and tourists in the city's historic French Quarter were still holding out last night.

"We're choosing the better of two evils," said a hotel guest, Bryan Steven of Minnesota, with his wife, Tina. "It's either be stuck in the hotel or stuck on the road."




washingtonpost
Many Evacuated, but Thousands Still Waiting
White House Shifts Blame to State and Local Officials

By Manuel Roig-Franzia and Spencer Hsu
Washington Post Staff Writers
Sunday, September 4, 2005;



NEW ORLEANS, Sept. 3 -- Tens of thousands of people spent a fifth day awaiting evacuation from this ruined city, as Bush administration officials blamed state and local authorities for what leaders at all levels have called a failure of the country's emergency management.

President Bush authorized the dispatch of 7,200 active-duty ground troops to the area -- the first major commitment of regular ground forces in the crisis -- and the Pentagon announced that an additional 10,000 National Guard troops will be sent to Louisiana and Mississippi, raising the total Guard contingent to about 40,000.

Authorities reported progress in restoring order and electricity and repairing levees, as a hospital ship arrived and cruise ships were sent to provide temporary housing for victims. As Louisiana officials expressed confidence that they had begun to get a handle on the crisis, a dozen National Guard troops broke into applause late Saturday as Isaac Kelly, 81, the last person to be evacuated from the Superdome, boarded a school bus.

But there remained an overwhelming display of human misery on the streets of New Orleans, where the last 1,500 people were being evacuated from the Convention Center amid an overpowering odor of human waste and rotting garbage. The evacuees, most of them black and poor, spoke of violence, anarchy and family members who died for lack of food, water and medical care.

About 42,000 people had been evacuated from the city by Saturday afternoon, with roughly the same number remaining, city officials said. Search-and-rescue efforts continued in flooded areas of the city, where an unknown number of people wait in their homes, on rooftops or in makeshift shelters. Hundreds of thousands of people have been displaced by the flooding -- 250,000 have been absorbed by Texas alone, and local radio reported that Baton Rouge will have doubled in population by Monday. Federal officials said they have begun to collect corpses but could not guess the total toll.

Behind the scenes, a power struggle emerged, as federal officials tried to wrest authority from Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Babineaux Blanco (D). Shortly before midnight Friday, the Bush administration sent her a proposed legal memorandum asking her to request a federal takeover of the evacuation of New Orleans, a source within the state's emergency operations center said Saturday.

The administration sought unified control over all local police and state National Guard units reporting to the governor. Louisiana officials rejected the request after talks throughout the night, concerned that such a move would be comparable to a federal declaration of martial law. Some officials in the state suspected a political motive behind the request. "Quite frankly, if they'd been able to pull off taking it away from the locals, they then could have blamed everything on the locals," said the source, who does not have the authority to speak publicly.



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Posted on Tue, Sep 06, 2005 10:51


maayan write:
Very gald to hear you're doing fine Elle. How is your family?

I'm also glad I finally got news from the gulf shores of friends, all doing OK - but they are instead still missing friends and families.

maayan thanks for asking everyone is fine my brother and sisternlaw have a hole in there roof and a smashed ac (they are in hattiesberg) there is quite a shortage on gas here stations are selling out so people cant find it and grocery stores are selling out of food. but no biggie thats why you have insurance. to replace roofs.



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Posted on Tue, Sep 06, 2005 10:46


Minnie415 write:

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Elle40 write:
still no power am att kinkos now. still consider myself very lucky power or not.

kisses everyone power MIGHT be back this weekend

I am Alive and Well....Interesting....I suggest you remove this pathetic plough in getting sympathetic booo hooo from everyone. I am not sure wether I should be p*issed of at the fact you attempted to gain sympathy in a time others are trully suffering and dieing.

You are indicating now that you have Hydro...lmao.... have you not been posting since August 29th and have been fortunate to have that luxury to post daily since then?

I am not sure wether to Vomit or give you a Glaswegian kiss.....lol

If you or the city had no power you would not be able to banter on here....People like you make me sad



Whoa! Why this vitriolic attack against Elle?
She merely said she considers herself lucky to be alive and well.
Is that a crime?
I don't think so.



thank you minnie for catching my back here...



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Posted on Tue, Sep 06, 2005 10:42

im approxiatley 5 hrs from new orleans and consider myself lucky to be alive. and have all my family and myself in one piece. you arent down here so dont go off on something you know nothing about when i got to kinkos i had several e-mails from mm members asking if i was OK this method was easier so bit*e me...



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Posted on Tue, Sep 06, 2005 10:28


maayan write:
Very gald to hear you're doing fine Elle. How is your family?

I'm also glad I finally got news from the gulf shores of friends, all doing OK - but they are instead still missing friends and families.



I too am happy to hear you are doing fine Elle.

Minerva I think you misconstrued Weelassy's comment. She basically was stating that compared to those that have lost loved ones(as Maayan pointed as some people cannot locate family members)and lives, the inconvenience of no electricity is pale in comparison. Elle affirmed she consider herself fortunate however she does/did have the option of driving to Kinko's and returning to life as normal, something fate did not grant to thousands of people. Weelassy simply pointed out the insensitivity of this thread Elle orginated.

My heart truly goes out to the people who have lost their home, and the children tramautized by this travesty.

I've redirected my energy from the forum to assisting the families who have been relocated and seperated from the familiarities of what many -- including myself -- take for granted.



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