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Intelligence ... A valid criteria or not?
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Posted on Sat, Jul 16, 2005 14:38

Reading someone's profile, they re-iterated my own concept of what I'd like in a significant other: "Must be intelligent, or I will be bored."

Pondering more on that concept, I realized I've dated some extremely intelligent men...PhD's, Masters in Chemistry & Biology (owner of Pharmaceutical Company), etc. These men are extremely intelligent. But I was bored silly! Take the Pharmaceutical guy...that's not my field...so discussing a new insulin in general terms is interesting, but once carried into the fine technical details of the DNA, protons, molecular structures, etc. where I haven't taken Biology for 27 yrs...makes it a little difficult to maintain a conversation. I feel like saying, "excuse me while I study up on this for a little & come back to this discussion."

If I began explaining to him the process of collecting core samples to determine if the geological conditions are ripe for a potential oil reservoir, or one of several methods to extract bitumen from the tarsands, or the process of refining oil & gas...well, I think I'd be boring the hell out of someone too! Don't you think?

If the topics we want to discuss are work related, then we should be searching for someone who works in the same field.

I realize I prefer someone who can think beyond their work field, and are able to discuss a variety of subjects in an "intelligent manner".

Any other thoughts?



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Posted on Fri, Feb 23, 2007 08:54

Any more thought on intelligence?



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Posted on Fri, Jan 12, 2007 14:57

Hi Everyone!

Well Miss Bonnie Sweetie,

Sorry we missed hooking up again, lol. May be next time! I am sure one of these times we will. I hope you had a fun time over the Holiday's. When will you be in Los Angeles again? I don't know when I plan to be in London next time, lol. I hate to plan, spur of the moment seems to work best for me. Well darling, talk to you soon honey! Where has Maayan been lately?

Hi Sharp1 lil lady,

I hope you are feeling better sweetheart! I got your last e-mail dear. I will talk to you soon. Stay warm and dry up there in Canada cutie!



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Posted on Fri, Jan 05, 2007 18:12

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Hi Everyone!

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Hi Bonnie Sweetie,

So when are you in Los Angeles again? I just got back in for a few weeks. Are you going to be around? Let me know darling! How is your son doing lately? I'll call you later to chat. Stay warm and healthy my dear! Talk to you soon.

*****Happy Holiday's Everyone*****

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Hi Len,sorry I was in LA on the 20th Dec. and flew out on the 22nd for FL. I am in Atlanta, Georgia now. Hopefully the tornado warning will be gone on Monday when I fly out to NY for a few days before returning to London.
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Happy New Year to all.



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Posted on Wed, Jan 03, 2007 16:30

Hi Everyone!

Oh Sharp Sweetie,

Sorry to hear about you being under the weather darling. Ok, I guess I will go read all my e-mails, lol. I have been trying to avoid that with a passion. But it is a new year, I guess I will get it over with, lol. Stay warm and healthy darling, we can talk soon. Are your children back to school yet? My boyz go back to school the 6th of Jan. after 3 weeks off for the holiday break.



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Posted on Mon, Jan 01, 2007 09:01

Hey Len, Christmas was great...New Year's well...that's another story...sick with a bad cold!
Made it to the ski hill, just not onto the mtn...too crowded...later this week we'll go when everyone is back to work.

I think I wrote you awhile ago...you're in the owe...:-)



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Posted on Sat, Dec 30, 2006 16:06

Hi Everyone!

Hey Sharon Cutie,

Having a good time with your daughter skiing? Hope you are enjoying the holiday's honey! Drop me a few lines when you get a chance! Talk to you soon.

Hey Bernie,

Buttox Bongo? Now that has to be a new one for me, lol. So your a new sport adventurer, still lol. This I would have to see to believe. But like anything else, can't knock it until you try it I guess. Or as the ol saying goes, whatever floats your boat, LMAO. Have a good one, and don't get arrested with your new sport ol friend! LMAO.

Hi Bonnie Sweetie,

So when are you in Los Angeles again? I just got back in for a few weeks. Are you going to be around? Let me know darling! How is your son doing lately? I'll call you later to chat. Stay warm and healthy my dear! Talk to you soon.

*****Happy Holiday's Everyone*****



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Posted on Fri, Dec 29, 2006 21:09

I'm a good sport 4w's...today I got up early to go skiing...felt sick with a cold coming on, but didn't let that stop me. Discovered my girlfriend still has my skis from a ski trip last March. She's in Florida. No matter...decided I would rent like my daughter...she's snowboarder, but likes to ski when with her brother & I. We drive 2 hrs to Lake Louise ski resort. It is a friggin' ZOO!!! There are at least 200 people in line for ski rentals, and some lady comes out to announce only 20 pairs left at the length my daughter and I would require. Not good. My daughter talks to 2 of her friends in line for lift tickets...they haven't moved forward in the 10 minutes they had been waiting. So we made a group decision not to ski today. Instead we drove back an hour to Banff, had a nice lunch, then drove home.
Now I'm sicker than ever, so probably a good thing I didn't expend energy skiing this afternoon.
See what a good sport I am? :-)



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Posted on Tue, Dec 19, 2006 21:36

Gee Sharp, I thought you would appreciate fine music. Heck I can even play Canadian stuff. somesportUr

OK, OK, I will start doing, just because you said so.

lolol



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Posted on Sun, Dec 17, 2006 12:49

I read somewhere on a blog recently about "thinking & doing"...I think the message was...stop thinking about doing something, and start doing it!!!

Now 4w's...I wouldn't advise you to start playing butt bongo's, because you might get yourself arrested! But you might work on the first step...find yourself a woman who would be willing to let you play her bongos! lol

And "NO" I'm not a taker! lol



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Posted on Wed, Dec 13, 2006 14:54

sharp1 write:
wwww1234 write:
sharp1 write:
Wow 4w's...that's deep.
I know I'm a doer, and think I have a little of the thinking trait in me too! lol I guess that makes me a doer/thinker.

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Well, I hate to admit that I am never a doer, because I do do, but by nature I am a thinker.

---- except when I am playing butt bongo's. Then I am not a thinker at all. rotflmao

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Been playing any butt bongo's lately 4w's?

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No, but I think about playing them a lot. Thats what thinkers do when not playing.

lololol



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Posted on Fri, Dec 08, 2006 08:56

wwww1234 write:
sharp1 write:
Wow 4w's...that's deep.
I know I'm a doer, and think I have a little of the thinking trait in me too! lol I guess that makes me a doer/thinker.

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Well, I hate to admit that I am never a doer, because I do do, but by nature I am a thinker.

---- except when I am playing butt bongo's. Then I am not a thinker at all. rotflmao

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Been playing any butt bongo's lately 4w's?



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Posted on Wed, Dec 06, 2006 07:54

sharp1 write:
Wow 4w's...that's deep.
I know I'm a doer, and think I have a little of the thinking trait in me too! lol I guess that makes me a doer/thinker.

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Well, I hate to admit that I am never a doer, because I do do, but by nature I am a thinker.

---- except when I am playing butt bongo's. Then I am not a thinker at all. rotflmao



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Posted on Fri, Dec 01, 2006 21:49

Wow 4w's...that's deep.
I know I'm a doer, and think I have a little of the thinking trait in me too! lol I guess that makes me a doer/thinker.



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Posted on Wed, Nov 29, 2006 11:08

fortunately, I'm in a field that has a large share of thinker/doers, as it's kind of a requirement to succeed in this industry. And I find associating with other T/Ds helps me raise my own level of accomplishment. I'm a real estate investor and a thinker alone would not survive as he would get 'analysis paralysis' nad never buy the first property. A doer can survive, but will not be really successful, as it takes 'having a niche' to really do well in this business. It's the thinker/Doers that do well in this business.

We also learn, that money is an obstacle that can easily overcome with the right property.

So, I believe someone, even without funds, who believes in his/her product and has the determination and puts the intent out there, can suceed in whatever he/she is trying to accomplish.

So, instead of saying 'that'll will take forever, so I don't even want to start', it's so much better to just go ahead, one step at a time and you never know what other oportunities show up half-way through.

Michaela



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Posted on Tue, Nov 28, 2006 21:47

Yes, there are thinkers, doers, and hybrid thinker/doers, but there are problems with each. I am mostly a thinker and don't have the patience for much doing. I could keep a million people busy with useful things that I think of, but unfortunately no one has give me that million.

A thinker/doer who starts doing, which may take him years or his lifetime, gets so wrapped up in completing his project that he rarely gets to think anymore. Thus he becomes less and less of a thinker and becomes mostly a doer. However he often does accomplish the original task he wanted to accomplish - if he is lucky.

Doers need to be hooked up with good thinkers, but most of they time they are not. They are usually working for other doers. As a result, the final product or service often suffers, may even become obsolete before its completed or mature, and the company fails. I have seen hundreds of huge companies fail because the doers obtained control of the direction of the company and the original thinkers were ousted or lost power. There are hundreds of examples in the computer industry alone. I would guess that 99% of the original computer hardware, software, and high-tech manufacturers of 20 years ago do not even exist today, and I attribute most of that to doers gaining control of the direction of the companies and the lack of long term strategic thinking and planning.



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Posted on Mon, Nov 27, 2006 01:19

The world tend to be made up of doers, thinkers, and the hybrid thinker-doers who love to see their ideas come to fruition..and that requires great motivation..what motivates us all is the crux of the question.
Money remain the irresistible motivator but it has it s limits beyond a certain point. Altruism could take over...

to do is to be-socrates
to be is to do -plato
do be do be do-sinatra



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Posted on Sat, Nov 25, 2006 10:19

Those people are the backbone of society. They make it all happen. Many, probably most, "thinkers" are not good implementers. The implementers "get er done.", where it be caring for the elderly or teaching the kids.



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Posted on Thu, Nov 23, 2006 09:34

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...I probably buy that in general males are better system thinkers than females, but that is just the tip of the iceberg...
- I wonder if any testing has been done to prove or disprove this?

...but that is not anything weird as you might be implying...
- I'm not sure what you're referring to :)

I can relate to being too close to your work; sometimes one needs to pull away from a task in order to clear their mind and start fresh, or gain different perspectives. Outsiders can provide valuable insight as well. I understand the concept of systems intelligence and wonder if those who possess it are able to put it to use at every opportunity presented to them, or are there certain areas or fields of work where its more applicable? Are these people more prone to be attracted to or excel at traditionally systemized, technical enterprises or hard sciences like computer programming or analysis, engineering, medical research, chemistry, physics etc., and do they have less interest or success in the soft sciences like human relations, psychology, music, performing and visual arts etc?

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I do not think good systems intelligence is limited to the sciences at all. All of the great music composers had to have good systems intelligence - in their field at least. They were able to envision how 100 musicians would sound as a system. This is above and beyond being a good musician. The same could apply to a good movie producer.

So, I would say that systems intelligence, combined with natural talents or abilities can result truely revolutionary achievements.

However usually these people are unable to obtain the necessary funds or permission to accomplish the task. Thus 99.5% of the really revolutionary ideas go nowhere. Our society has no way to recognize and fund them. These people are probably not good at raising venture capital, slick presentations, etc. etc.



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Posted on Wed, Nov 15, 2006 21:15

Cyn, I probably buy that in general males are better system thinkers than females, but that is just the tip of the iceberg.

If we gave a typical PhD in engineering person a systems intelligence score of 3, then there are people, who might not even have a degree that can have a system score of 10 (in comparison). I worked with literally thousands of engineers and people with almost every science degree you can imagine and found very few (maybe 1 out of a 1000) that had high level systems and systems intelligence skills. In some cases, often a good systems outsider could solve some of the major systems problems in the blink of a eye, solutions that the regular team simply could not see.

There is a old saying that you can become too close to your work, and that is part of the answer, but not all. It takes a special type of intelligence, systems intelligence, but that is not anything weird as you might be implying.



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