In the army for two years,company CO, but I was around many air force officers (120 of them) who were assigned to my org in the early days. Thus, for many years I worked with with military officers, including ret. officers. I use to listen to the older ones who were in WWII. They had stories to tell, and few today have a clue what they did for the world, their courage, etc. Yes, it expands your thinking about many things, esp leaders.
If I were wearing a red badge and having a "higher-up" fix my car, fetch my coffee or replacing an ink cartridge, I would have some decidedly defined ideas when it came to salary discussions!
They got stock options. That is how it is done in start-ups.
"A brilliant leader ... a man who teaches through example, the importance of TEAM WORK ... where each member of the team is only as important as those which he/she supports ... in whatever capacity the team needs at the present moment! What a tremendous way to command/earn respect ... to be willing to step down from the proverbial pedestal (the office of the CEO) to deliver coffee (or whatever is needed) to the working staff. The true team leader ... leading his team ... and the success of the team belongs to ALL! Love it!"
That is exactly right. I have seen similar leadership in the military, but never before in civilian companies.
I think you misunderstood the post. It was the managers and CEO and founder that were doing those things for the people who were doing the critial parts of the development ie engineering and software tasks. The CEO and founder was formally a VP of Intel. He just knew who had the really critical jobs that had to be done or the company would not have a product to sell. IT was smart.
"I automatically corrected spelling, & punctuation. Once a Secretary who had worked there for years told me I couldn't do that! I thought she was nuts"
Any efficient firm has people who are good spellers, graphic artists for presentations, etc. It is foolish to pay a person $200K per year to spell and prepare presentation, etc. Even a minute saved by your key people is money.
I once knew a CEO and founder of a high tech company who had all of the administrative staff and managers, including himself, issued two types of badges. If you weren't a person on the critical path of the project,(ie green badge) you did anything needed by the ones who were critical(ie red badge). That included bringing coffee, getting food, running personal errands, getting his car fixed, picking up in-laws at the airport, etc. Smartest manager I ever knew. His company was later bought by IBM, and forms the basis of their current computer parallel processing designs, and I am sure he made a fortune. Now, that is what I call real brains and business sense.
Let me see if I can sum up my opinion about this thread.
If they worked for me, I would fire almost everyone who posted.
If they happen to be visiting at my house they would be shown the door.
What a waste of time and energy; solving nothing, doing nothing, no important ideas, or anything of value to anyone who was foolish enough to spend time reading the thread looking for something of value to the world or MM members. (I'm a fool too).
I suggest that everyone visit the mentalhealth_com site. There are some definitions there that everyone needs to read.
Maybe we need laws against the misuse of electricity and bandwidth????
So, based on my earlier post on lying, you are conceding that pretty much anyone, including yourself, at any given time can be accused of telling a lie. (based on your statement that you don't IM or email anyone, but yet, in fact you did.) And that it can also be somewhat conveyed as normal behavior by pretty much all individuals by bending, twisting and manipulating certain words or phrases which can be used to make one self look better, which you have tried throughout this thread. By no means am I calling you a liar, but now you can see how many people can make false claims against someone else. Thank you for proving my point on lying.
I do accept your apology from before. We all have taken this thread down a path it should not have gone.
Now, if you and Ed are still interested and as Sixfeet previously said, I'd enjoy it if you both debated the topic at hand.
And yes, now Orion, I am officially retired from this thread, my integrity intact.
Mandalay, I just tried to email you, but I was unable to do so.
The IM I sent Ed went down exactly as I stated, and Moon reiterated.
No more. No less. No editing. No exchange.
Repeating, it was NOT my computer, it was Moon's, which is why I couldn't post a copy of the IM until after she had returned home and forwarded it to me.
If I'd have had it sooner, rest assured, I would have posted it immediately, after all wouldn't you? Wouldn't anyone?
How about you Hotmama?
Trust your instincts on this one Mandalay. They may not always be right-on, but rarely will your instincts lead you wrong.
If you're asking me if my comment is contradictory, no it is not. Ed was the first person that I IM'ed from this site, and as I indicated, I did so only once, and that was to serve notice that I would be replying at a later date.
No one here can come forward and honestly state I have IM'ed them.
However, when I've been emailed by someone, I have given them the simple courtesy of a short response, as many can attest to. Normally, I do not share opinions or make comments about others in IMs, or e-mails. If I want to say something about someone, I am more than comfortable saying it to them in public, or not at all.
Today, because of the extraordinary circumstances and the nature of this thread, I did write an explanatory email to one person.
If you had not blocked yours, I would have preferred to e-mail you also.
Hotmama, I just discovered I owe the thread an explanation. Apparently you WERE in my favorites, and as you suggested, something I must have done when I first joined. After all, everyone knows looks can be deceiving. Must have been that a*s perched on the table screaming "bet you can't see my panties!!"
Anyway, rest assured... you're no longer a favorite.
It's interesting to note, although I have never been inclined to look at your profile since, it was you who examined mine as recently as yesterday!
Speaking of which, yeah Ed.... boy am I an idiot! Is that how the addage goes? Master of none?? Wow, amazing even, NOW it makes sense!!
Unfortunately, I wrote it in my profile exactly as I intended.
People who actually know me, also know why.
And I would like the entire forum to know, I'm sincere when I say I'm taking back my comment about Ed wanting to get into the girls' panties.
Considering all the fuss he's made about it, I'm left to consider that it isn't the girls, whose pants he wants to get into.
Thank you for your apology. Only one more thing before I officialy resign from this thread.
Orion Wrote: 5/3/05
My post had nothing to do with "Dog". I do not know the man, I have never said anything good or bad about him, as evidenced by anyone who has read these threads. I do not communicate with anyone in IMs, or e-mails, so where did you get the idea I was (QUOTE) "one of his friends"? So again I ask, where do you dream your nonsense up?
My last question is, did you or did you not IM Ed?
Ed, I'm sorry but like I said this has become very ugly, a topic that should have been a very interesting one if everyone had acted like adults! I am not continuing this no matter what bearing my answer to your question may have because it is absolutely POINTLESS. The damage was DONE, everyone here acted very poorly and my answer to you, no matter what it is, will not solve anything.
Please let us all forget this and NOT POST ANYMORE in this thread, unless it is for apologizing for all of your behaviors here.