Millions have a paper from mans law that is absolutely worthless because Gods law on divorce wasnt followed and that is the one that counts. The divorce laws are as plain as 8th grade reading.If i divorce my wife and she was not unfaithful, sexually and i marry someone else, i am guilty of adultery and am still really married to my first wife and the person that marries me is also guilty of adultery. Why? Because i did not obtain a divorce based on bibical teachings.The ONLY exception is, if i am a christian, she is not and she leaves me then, the marriage is void. Any other reason (excuse), you are still really married.Better make sure you find a mate that has a scriptual divorce.What if the mate is a drunk, no good, wont work, etc - sorry, you can leave that mate but, are CLEARLY instructed to remain unmarried - 1 cor,chapter 7.
No, I am not really divorced and I do not believe that if I divorced my husband after he physically and emotionally and I gave him time to get help and seperated from him. I just don't believe that my God, the God who loves me would call me to stay in some marriage like that. Jesus came to forgive, set the captives free and fulfill the law. If you have received Christ as your savior then you are no longer bound by law but grace and faith. Grace saved my life and faith is bringing me out so that I can be free. I will be divorced without condemnation from anyone. I appreciate those who understand the spirit of the Word and not only the Letter. We may not need to have bible study, but the 1,2,3s of Salvation would allow those without the Spirit, to get some revelation.
David, I think that people take the laws of the old testament which (if I undersand this correctly) are null and void once Christ was crucified on the cross, taking with him the sins of all mankind. (with the exception of the 10 commanments of course, even Christ teaches on that in the new testament)
Just to add, I think you have THE most beautiful eyes I've ever seen. Have you read my profile?
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I think that people take the laws of the old testament which (if I undersand this correctly) are null and void once Christ was crucified on the cross, taking with him the sins of all mankind. (with the exception of the 10 commanments of course, even Christ teaches on that in the new testament)
Just to add, I think you have THE most beautiful eyes I've ever seen. Have you read my profile?
I am an atheist and I don't believe a word of the Bible, not the supernatural and miraculous stuff anyway, but in Matthew 5:32 it says "But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adult*ery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adult*ery". I don't see anywhere that it says she needs to be a Christian or not. ( I had to add the ** or support would have rejected my message even though they are not in the Bible. )
I knew a divorcee who thought that the "causeth her to commit adult*ery" part gave her a perfect Bilical reason to commit adult*ery. Very convenient. Since her husband had divorced her HE was the one who caused her to commit adul*tery.
If the law is done away with, why are you preaching about adulterie (mispelled on purpose to be able to post this) which is a commandment of the law not to do ? I think you are bit mixed up on the misconception that jesus died for your sins so that you can keep sinning (transgressing the law)
"Dont commit adulterie." and many others like lying , stealing and woshiping idols are all a part of the 10 commandments you say is done away with so you are contradicting yourself greatly.If it si done a way with then you can lie cheat and steal people and still be sinless. get my point. Read John 15:10 and also I John 2:3-6.
In Exodus 21 it explains that a women can leave her husband if the husband does not provide for his wife 3 things, shelter, food and marital relations as a right of isralite daughters. Another false statement that you made is that the law was only for Israel.. If you are born again and grafted in- what are you grafted into? the answer is Israel.. you are no longer a gentile if you are grafted in to the house of Israel.
SpoiluRotten07 write: No, its not Gods law about beating slaves. That was moses law and that law, which, includes the ten commandments, was done away with when Jesus died on the cross. If you care to search for yourself, hebrews 8,9 & 10 talks about this and explains who the law was given to(Isreal ONLY), how long it was to last and why God did away with it.
They asked if you promise to love her forever. Since you cannot purport to predict how you will feel in the future or promise to feel when feel is an involuntary reaction, it is clear that the question was facetious and an answer to a facetious question is clearly meant as sarcasm. Clearly no contract was intended to be entered into, it was a stupid answer to a stupid question. I think we all can see that plain as day.
Therefore, nobody really took the marriage contract seriously. In the spirit of intent, the contract is invalid. No marriage, no divorce.
However, you are guilt of adultry. So as long as you have not made any porns or had 3-somes, there are no witnesses, so case dismissed.
Got to remember some things were based on the times and society of those times...it must be taken in context...some things however are suppose to be our guide to proper behavior...others are history or letters while someone going though a tough time to help you relate...
As for the author of this topic:
I could list more but then it would be a Bible meeting...
Since I walked in on my husband having sex with his co-worker...think that applies as 'allowable divorce' according to "God's law" (who is to say your interpretation is God law or your own law?), society norms, or civil court...however through all that pain, I found myself closer to God then separated from Him...
As for sex...anyone read Song of Solomon? God created sex, he does not hate it or forcing us to feel guilty about it...but he wants it to be more than merely 'recreation' but something more...
See ALOT of people blame God for things, but never praise him, and even non-believers still blame God, or curse the Devil, which I find kind of weird.
We also must not forget history created by man, history written by man, and we have to allow the Holy Spirit help guide us in our lives...we KNOW when something is wrong if we listen...
Hey Rotten. I am a Christian as well but am disturbed by people who profess to speak in the name of God with harsh and biting words. Contention is of the Devil. God's word is love. Why bring a negative spirit to a discussion of Godly topics. Surely you practice love and tolerance also.
Don't you think that God will work it out in the end? Are you wiser than He?
I am 75 years old, back in my younger teenage years I thought I wanted to be a Baptist preacher but by the time I was 17 I had changed my mind.
Now, I don't believe in God or Heaven.
I don't believe in the Devil or Hell.
I don't believe in the soul or life after death.
I don't believe in damnat*ion or salvation.
I don't believe in the Bible or any other religious book.
I don't believe in anything supernatural or what can't be proved.
I am a very nice divorced guy, a gentleman, and I would never lie (unless it was a life or death situation and so far no such event has ever arisen in my life and it probably never will ) I am honest, clean and I treat everyone the way I would like to be treated. I am in good health and I try to stay that way.
One of the ways I try to stay mentally healthy is to try to learn something new on a continuing basis. A way to learn something new is to study mathematics and other science. Fiction and philosophy I don't much care for.
I love a good joke. One of the last jokes I have learned is as follows:"What do you get when you cross a mountain climber with a mosquito? Nothing. You can't cross a scalar with a vector." To mathematicians or those who understand some mathematics that is funny.
Back in my younger days I met a woman who had been married but she was a very religious person and she had read in the Bible that if a man divorces a woman except for the cause of fornicatio*n he CAUSED her to commit a*dultery so she believed she had a God given right to commit a*dultery.
When are people really divorced? When they have a paper that says so? Not quite.A person cant marry someone they arent suppose to marry then, become a Christian and expect to be forgiven and keep the mate they arent suppose to have to begin with.One cant steal anothers property, become a Christian and think they are forgiven and keep the property so, why can someone expect to keep another persons mate that doesnt belong to them? You may have a paper from mans law that says you are divorced but, does God recognize that paper? The answer is yes, IF, and only IF, the divorce was according to the simple instructions about divorce.Those divorce laws werent given just to fill space in the bible.Read what God did to those who added to or took away from what he said.
Yes I am really divorced. I have been since Feb. 1 2002. When the judge signed the papers. I was separated in 1999. He told me he no longer loved me when I was 5 months pregnant with our 2nd son. He started seeing someone at work before we separated. Within 6 months from separating they were living together. It took me a about 1 1/2 years to get over what he had done. In the mean time I had to deal with the rest of my pregnancy(which was high risk to begin with) him leaving, and our 7 yr old not really understanding it all. Our 2nd son was born a month early. Due to the stress I was under, plus it being high risk for other reasons. Anyhow, I finally filed for divorce and got on with my life as a single mother raising my boys.
Now since this topic is under religion and asking if we are really divorced I am assuming that is to mean in the church. My religion says they don't believe in divorce. So if I ever get married I wont be able to be married again in my religion. Since I am not that religious anyhow thats not going to matter too much. Unless it does to whomever I marry in the future. I will cross that bridge when and if I ever get to it.
Well, keep trying Mel. Ultimately it's the kids that pay the price, so it's worth it. There are plenty of times when he and I are angry at each other, but we do not let that out in front of the kids. They are the most important thing in all of this and unfortunately you two have to raise that beautiful girl together. Face it, you have to be in each others lives forever.....you have graduations to share, weddings, grandkids, birthdays, funerals......a whole plethora of things to share still with your daughter, that include your Ex. Might as well make it as nice as possible!
Yes, the original posts by Spoils are at best just rantings of a lunatic. He was deleted thank goodness.
As far as the rest of you making comments, they are very good.
I agree Mel, I too am divorced, but my kids don't ask the same questions as your little pumpkin. My kids are not mixed on why Mommy and Daddy are not together anymore. We also still get along really well, so I think that helps. My oldest understood that while living together that we just didn't get along, but the younger kids didn't. Now, almost a year later, they don't even wonder anymore. In fact, even when their dad is getting ready to leave, they just say Ok, BYE! Then go about their business as usual.
I think it all comes down to how you react toward each other in the kids' presence and how secure they are in the fact that you both love them dearly and always will.
Divorce is definitely a different life for all parts of the family, but it doesn't have to be devastating! We can talk more about it in email. :-)