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Posted on Fri, May 27, 2005 07:54

. If you are going to do plumbing it is best to be no more than 3' tall and you should have forearms no less than 15'' in circumference. lol.
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I definitely have those physical assets..but that also means that I have less physical strength to manage those heavy pipes and equipment and I need to work with real plumbers in their macho world...



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Posted on Fri, May 27, 2005 07:05

<<<..we could learn to be a plumber, electrician, decorator, carpenter ..>>>


All good skills to know regardless if one is a man or a woman and regardless of ones true profession. If you are going to do plumbing it is best to be no more than 3' tall and you should have forearms no less than 15'' in circumference. lol. There are also a lot of jobs being filled by men today that were previously filled by women. Nurses and flight attendants come quickly to mind, but there are others. People should have jobs based on their interests and skill, not their gender. JMHO. Wishing everybody a great weekend.



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Posted on Fri, May 27, 2005 02:47

Katie,
I have followed your thread and quietly admire your determination to stay passionate and true to your art and love for painting. It is hard to be a pure artist, I have been trying to help a friend's son to get his work exhibited and recognised by galleries in London and it is very very hard here. You need to be well connected here with the well heeled who will buy your art..so it is a snobbish social scene and a bloody frustrating one if you are faithful to your art and refuse to paint pictures to suit the wall color of some dim lady with more money than artistic sense..
I do admire artist like you who would take on other jobs just so they keep doing what they believe in...good on you, wish I have your courage. I became a lawyer by default or more for mercenary reasons, so now I have time to indulge what I love, my craftwork and writing..and Im fortunate to be able to indulge now but find the spontaneity is lost somewhat through long-term profit-conditioning ...need to get out of 2%% mindset..lol..hear hear wwwww!!



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Posted on Fri, May 27, 2005 02:12

Katie..
love your exciting cast of male -domain jobs...just goes to prove that we women could take on any job we like and do well in it too.
There is a free course for women in builidng trade taught by women here ..we could learn to be a plumber, electrician, decorator, carpenter ..and I am quite keen to learn them all , such useful skills..
all sponsored by EU..and you get paid for learning too ..



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Posted on Thu, May 26, 2005 23:16

Orion...good poem..saw a similar motto in a Tibetan restaurant in Katmandu:
'Take huge bites out of LIfe
Live life to excess
Moderation is for Monks..'

CUB...why do you need to shed a few pounds, we need um for the shoot...or you might disappear..



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Posted on Thu, May 26, 2005 22:07

Cub Dude,
That is the handsomest smile I've seen on MM. Keep doing that.



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Posted on Thu, May 26, 2005 22:06

I've worked some odd jobs in my life, to keep me in paints and canvas, and many of them have been male-oriented. I worked as a Draftsman for Public Works and Atomic Energy. I've worked at Energy, Mines & Resources Canada as a Journeyman Contact Frame Operator in a sub-basement with 70 men and no other women!
I've been a Reserve Firefighter ... now there was a job where the men had a plan.... in case of a brush fire spreading fast .... the women were to grab the children and run like blazes (pardon) to the Trans Canada Highway.
One day we had a brush fire. I grabbed a scarf for my nose, my sunglasses, my thick-soled work runners and a shovel. One of the guys running to the fire looked at me and said, Hey! Get back to camp and help the women!"
I ran past him, saying, "Shut up Gary! You think those socks are gonna protect your feet in your sandals?"

He had to go back. (snort)

I've never had a man, other than Gary, tell me I couldn't do what I was doing. Which says a lot for men nowadays.



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Posted on Thu, May 26, 2005 14:54

Not sure if this is appropriate, but addressing the issue of pretensions...

"If I had my life over, I would dare to make more mistakes.
I would relax.
I would limber up.
I would be sillier than I have been on this trip.
I would take fewer things seriously.
I would take more chances.
I would go more places.
I would climb more mountains, swim more rivers and watch more sunsets.
I would eat more ice cream and fewer beans.
I would have more real troubles and fewer imaginary ones.
You see, I have been one of those people who live prudently and prophylactically, hour after hour, day after day. Oh, I've had my moments... and if I had to do it again I would have more of them; one after another, instead of living so many years ahead of each day.
I have been one of those people who never go anywhere without aspirin, a thermometer, a gargle, a map, a raincoat and a parachute. If I had to do it over, I would travel lighter.
I would start barefoot earlier in the spring and stay that way later in the fall.
I would keep later hours.
I would have more lovers.
I would throw more parties.
I would ride more merry-go-rounds.
I'd pick more daisies."

And NO, I didn't write it.

It's a commentary of some reknown, actually.

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Posted on Thu, May 26, 2005 14:45

I have dated doctors, shrinks, programmers, engineers, teachers, business ladies, strippers, hook*ers, etc. but no lawyers or princesses, thank god. There is a limit on how low I will go.

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Thank God that you have hit your low limit with strippers and hoo*kers..cheap cheap is how low you will go , under 2% ..I bet..

yeah, no princess and lawyers will go that low and thank God for them..



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Posted on Thu, May 26, 2005 09:08

Maayan...yes we seem to overlap in our threads..but who cares...I think your job sure has some funny hazardous tales too..lol..yea I once took acab to the airport and made the mistake of telling the cab driver I was a lawyer and next thing I know I ahd to give him legal advice on his divorce , felt so bad after hearing his sad tale that I had to give him a big tip...lol

www... princess and lawyers are nice ladies too if you know them well enough...



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Posted on Thu, May 26, 2005 08:23

Sharp:

"Lawyers socialize with lawyers & judges. Very few stray to befriend other professionals such as Engineers, or others. "

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I think we tend to socialize with people with similar interest or with people who have jobs that we want to learn about.

I have dated doctors, shrinks, programmers, engineers, teachers, business ladies, strippers, hook*ers, etc. but no lawyers or princesses, thank god. There is a limit on how low I will go.

LMAO



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Posted on Thu, May 26, 2005 08:07

Bonnie: "one needs proper education to unravel this ritualistic lifestyle ...lol"

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Each to their own I guess. Those folks probably wouldn't even be invited to a party in the US and their kids probably couldn't get a date. Who likes a snob?



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Posted on Wed, May 25, 2005 23:26

Well,'finding out' here is done way before you even step into a room..I once was invited to a dinner party in the country, the hostess (her Ladyship) whom I barely know, sent me an invitation at least one month ahead including an itinerary of the weekend, and dress code..and a long CV about the guests and their background but the list excludes your CV and what she said about you!! So inevitably you become weary about what the other guests know about your background..such a silly game..and the list will have the right titles and mini history of the other guests so that you avoid certain taboo subjects or connections..so so tedious that it sure kills any kind of spontaneity one might have for a weekend country party...tennis, horseriding, shoots when the men would go off in the morning and the ladies will have morning coffee or walks in the garden or riding, afternoon tea, Sunday roasts..and proper dressed up sit-down and crystal ware on display dinners followed sometimes by barn dance or even proper ball...I think you often feel after such a weekend you need the whole week to recuperate from that social stress...lol..of course very close friends' countryhouse weekends are less intimidating and that I don't mind so much ..so when we mention the 'country house' party it is a different scene completely from the 'hill-billy' variety of simple folks and simple life I am afraid...one needs proper education to unravel this ritualistic lifestyle ...lol



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Posted on Wed, May 25, 2005 23:04

Bonnie.
In US, it depends on who you are dealing with. For instance, its rude to ask a farmer how many acres of land or how many cows you have, or oil wells. Simple multiplication gives you some idea of a persons wealth. Many very wealthy people live very simply and do not "put on airs" as they say. City folks are more likely to play it up big, but not even a lot of those do (except the social climbers and wantabees).

I like the country folks best. They are more real.

The people in the country in the US do like to know your background and if your folks are honest, good, etc. Harder to find out family reputations in the big cities.



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Posted on Wed, May 25, 2005 22:49

Well, you should see the place now. Fastest growing area in the US I am sure. All major vendors have branch offices there now.

Can you imagine a area with four of the richest people in the world living there.
Blows my mind.

Buy the book, its cheap, cheap, especially at a SAMS or half*com



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Posted on Wed, May 25, 2005 22:47

www..Bill,
ONe thing the Brits don't do that the Americans do is compare wealth.. it is taboo in the uppercrust circle here that $ is ever mentioned but their flaunting is more subtle..it is all about their holidays,where their country homes are , their exclusive hobbies like shooting, beagling, skiing , Ascot, Newbury for racing with their own studs..etc and of course their posh accent and trivia jokes from particular boarding schools..so 'exclusivity' here means u sure feel excluded when they talk in their own social codes..and when u go to their castles, mansions or homes you will know they play it down and it is full of old artifacts and antiques handed down thru generations, old is good here to impress..it is what you inherit that impress and not what u just bought..so antique business does well for a show of wealth in the most subtle way...lol

The Americans I find are more open and less contrived in wanting to know your background or heritage..

The art of flirtation here is sophisticated in that it makes references to obscure and exclusive literature and seasonal events...yet they don't realise that it also means they are showing their narrowness and their own insecurity in so doing..
a very cute advert here showed old ladies reminiscing about their young hot blooded days, and all they wish was that they had more 'grass stains' on their dresses...i.e. rolling in the hay stack and lawn in the summer with their beau..each season is hailed with their respective 'must go ' events..next week my son's elite college has its 'founder's day' picnic ..mothers would do anything to have their daughters invited to that event for the last 700 years..lol My son will be inundated by 8:1 girls galore ..girls everywhere , beauty parade in flirty summer dresses..how could my poor son concentrate on his exams the following week!? It is Jane Austen country and the hunting game is still played out the same old way for centuries..



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Posted on Wed, May 25, 2005 21:33

Pretty funny, Bernie. For a second I thought you were getting ready to unleash a barage of lawyers jokes. Way back when, I knew a guy that sold some stuff to Walmart. He had to go to Bentonville to sell them. He said he worked with the buyer in a converted chicken coop. It doesn't get much more folksy, than that.



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Posted on Wed, May 25, 2005 20:02

Just a note to this bunch.

I have been scanning "Sam Walton
Made in America" book. It looks like everyone should read this book, especially reading about his families attitude toward being the richest people in the world. Also his philosophy toward customers and "associates" (employees).
Lessons to be learned there.

wwwww



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Posted on Wed, May 25, 2005 19:54

Bill "Just don't flirt with lawyers. "

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Good lord Bill, don't even be seen with them. People might think you are one.

lol



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Posted on Wed, May 25, 2005 14:56

Sharp, Bonnie. Wow. You ladies have really opened this discussion up. I go along with Bonnie on flirting as an art form. As far as the intimidation factor is concerned, IMHO, it is more of an individual thing than a gender issue. One lesson to be learned here may be: Just don't flirt with lawyers.
LOL..Bill



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