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Posted on Sat, May 28, 2005 15:17

What I don't understand is what do they expect to gain? They don't have a chance in hell in winning any type of war. Why provoke the world? Only reason I can think of is to blame their internal failures on the rest of the world (distraction, smoke and mirrors stuff), but hopefully their people are now smart enough to see thru that. Does anyone know if they have widespread internet access?



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Posted on Sat, May 28, 2005 08:38

Power corrupts utterly..and it happens in lots of countries ..
Justice must be seen to be done..transparency is the key to all good govt.



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Posted on Sat, May 28, 2005 08:06

Cub: And then hope they put their hand on North Korea's shoulder and say: "stop what you're doing, little boy".

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Agree. North Korea sure shoots themselves in the foot a lot. You would think it would hurt after a while. Some folks never learn I guess.



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Posted on Sat, May 28, 2005 00:33

Well, lets hope the transition is smooth and that China becomes a model citizen of the world. It's time.

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Posted on Fri, May 27, 2005 23:13

Deng Hsiao Peng was the long time moerate reformer who had to fight Mao and his cohorts and so was Chou Enlai except they were up against a bunch of uneducated guys who held the sway of power . Chou was trained in Germany and France and came from an elitist background so he was always a suspect. Deng was a businessman in his bloodline..so he knew the power and attraction of private industry.
Today after the taste of wealth , these guys are already aware of the attraction of individual wealth creation. Their second generation are expanding on their family wealth and power. The son of Zhang Ziming , the ex-Prime minister is American trained IT expert and now in charge of Ministry of Science and Technology and the biggest China independent ISP owner and the only private one which is the sole rival to the state owned network.
There are a host of these politically connected second generation kids out in the US and even here. One of them , a very successful lady is someone I know and she has been here since 80s and about to be married to a very influential British banker here. So there are lots happening behind the scene. It is not as communistic as the world perceive it to be. Outside of Beijing, the other 5 economic zones for investment are free to do alot of 'capitalist ' type venture which the Beijing central govt can't control. The further the distance from the central politburo in Beijing the more autonomy the local zone management has to do carte blanche any sort of private deals. It is so large a country that even in the communist days 66-76 , those who were interned in remote farms had a free hand in educating themselves with privately smuggled handwritten literature from the west called 'shouchow ben' and they were able to write dissident literature and circulate underground..so a massive land like that is beyond complete governmental control and that is the people's only protection from the strong arm of the law..



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Posted on Fri, May 27, 2005 16:43

Bonnie: I don't think the Chinese are politically interested in expanding their territory, they could barely rule what they have and feed what they have

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I think you are probably right, but mostly because they have more to lose now. They could not feed the people they had during the Korean or Vietnam war either, but still were agressors.

The other problem, of course, is that the communist are barely hanging on. I doubt if they will be in power much longer. They need an internal reformer like the Russians had.



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Posted on Fri, May 27, 2005 12:17

I don't think the Chinese are politically interested in expanding their territory, they could barely rule what they have and feed what they have..LIke I say wealth creation is what makes the Chinese tick. Just look at all the overseas chinese and the chinese immigrants spreading thru their diaspora, they can't be bothered with the politics of their host countries , all they want is make money , feed and school their kids to make more money and breed more descendants and keep the family and clan name going..simple folks with simple needs..they prefer a low profile and rarely flaunt for fear of triad gangs who might threaten their lives.and livelihood..
expand that theory to 1.2 bn times and you will know what the Chinese is all about...pacifists who want to enjoy a peaceful existence..the yin and yang of harmony has gone unheed and misunderstood for centuries by the western world..like the bamboo forest , they bend with the wind and tolerate all severe conditions to survive..they have survived communism and they will be stronger than ever to survive and thrive anything that comes between them and wealth creation..



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Posted on Fri, May 27, 2005 12:10

Yes, President Truman thought MacArthur was smoking some funny stuff in his pipe too. The US was almost broke from WWII and Korea and had lost too many men.

It worked out for the best. The communist kept the country in poverty for 40 years, and the west was able to develop weapons so they will never have to worry about billions of chinese attacking us. Now that they are becoming more educated, have economic power, etc. I think its time for another revolution, don't you, -- before they become too much of a economic threat. lol



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Posted on Fri, May 27, 2005 11:09

MacArthur has done enough occupying Japan..so he wants to tame China...lol

do you know how many different races and tribes are in China? It is a country that is so overwhelming that Communism is probably the only inevitable catalyst to bring about revolutionary change at taht point of history when different factions were trying to fight each other for power after Dr. Sun Yat Sen died suddenly, a sort of rude awakening..after centuries of passive Confucianism..rule by subordination and submission..to a framework that aims at an orderly civil society but in the end the hands that wield the power could well corrupt..
The guomingdang nationalistic style govt arrived to late and was just as corrupt since those were the sons of feudalistic warlords who could afford to send them to the west for an advance education to return to attempt to implement change which came too late and was ineffective as a catalyst..



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Posted on Fri, May 27, 2005 10:52

Bonnie:

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so if they were so bad why did'nt the US go marching in then like they did in Iraq?

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We did have a general that wanted to do that in the Korean war. His name was General Douglas MacArthur. He was probably right.



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Posted on Fri, May 27, 2005 09:55

very very funny CUB...

yeah, wwwww..is trying to tame the mad world with his usual rhetoric again ..yes God bless America ..for saving the rest of the underdeveloped world..lol



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Posted on Fri, May 27, 2005 09:38

www..
so if they were so bad why did'nt the US go marching in then like they did in Iraq?



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Posted on Fri, May 27, 2005 09:21

Hi Cub. Have you been taking care of business with maayan? Don't let the western world down now, its up to you to make a good showing.



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Posted on Fri, May 27, 2005 09:17

Bonnie:
"they dominated and ruled the native Taiwanese who had to endure them in disdain and sure they might have proven to be less cruel but nonetheless still unpopular.. "

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Words are funny. There is as much difference between "less cruel" and murdering 50 million people as there are between taking a walk and going to the moon.

There is no denying that the Russian and Chinese Communist are/were the most murderous people that have ever been on this earth, far worse that Hitler, and they were killing their OWN PEOPLE. The statues of Mao will go the way of Saddam and Stalins statues very soon, and the world will rejoice. Its too bad that these murders will probably never be punished for their crimes.



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Posted on Fri, May 27, 2005 02:34

www. It is always hard to project with hindsight what might have been..
Those who fled to Taiwan were the military generals ..some corrupt and many were connected to dynastic families..they dominated and ruled the native Taiwanese who had to endure them in disdain and sure they might have proven to be less cruel but nonetheless still unpopular..
The CCP were run by people who had little education and lots came from the uneducated under-class and hence easily manipulated by what i feel is the so called'educated' class with private agenda too..tired of the same old grime, a new idea like Marxism would have appealed to the masses who were dying for change at all cost.. Led by a charismatic leader , it was the promise of change that appealed..it also show how easy it is to manipulate ignorant and innocent minds..that have been closed from outside influence.
It was a time of great uncertainty and distrust..different camps of ideologies brought home by half baked intellectuals sent abroad to learn from the west ..came back with a mish mash of half learnt ideologies trying to change a country so steep in their old ways ..was a Herculean task that was bound to go awry...
I am no supporter of the CCP myself, but fundamentals of Marx , his works and philosophy is also to build a better world..but probably naive in its execution..we have to accept that perhaps no man is really born equal but we sure want each to be given equal opportunities to thrive ...how that is achieved is lost in the politics of ideology and their executors..


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Posted on Fri, May 27, 2005 02:14

maayan
". Trust me nobody notices. ROFL under the table ... "

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Don't kid yourself. I am keeping a eye on you two.

lol

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Posted on Fri, May 27, 2005 02:11

The Chinese Communist Party had done nothing that I can admire. I doubt if the warloards would have killed 2% of what the Communist did no matter how bad they were, and I doubt if they would have tried to export their sh*it to the rest of the world by terror.

If those warlords moved to that tiny island offshore, it looks like the people there are doing better than the mainland with a fraction of the resources, and did it 40 years earlier,and without 50 or so million deaths.



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Posted on Fri, May 27, 2005 01:55

www..of course I have read all the terrible things that have happened to the persecuted in the 10 years of the revolution.. I have relatives who escaped the regime and tell us all their tortures they have endured , Japanese war and communists...but you also hear of all the terrible things the British colonialists have done in India and elsewhere..
Of course I realised that if I was one of the persecuted as i well might have been since my grandfather was in the opposite camp and we were a wealthy dynastic family, we would not been spared..Just as there are those who were persecuted , there are those who have survived and continued to thrive and build the new China it is today...The west unfortunately are fed on one-sided info and choose to see the worst of those that do not expound your politics and feel anyone practising anything less is bad..
There are as many millions who were the down-trodden farmers and slaves of warlords who would have just a s bad a deal, their wives and daughters sold as slaves , ra*ped and murdered..if not for the revolution which has freed them and given them food and education..those are the untold tales too which I hear from my relatives...who have made a life for themselves after the revolution and no one in the west ever goes to find those stories to tell...where do you think the present 1.2 bn come from? And they are surviving quite happily there still and many have been given a break they never might have if the old feudalistic regimes run the country..
Why do you think so many westerners, the Cokes, and McDonalds of the western world are lining up to have a share in this new booming Chinese economy today? Is it still not a communist regime? China poses as the new experimental political arena, it has proven that the revolution served a purpose, they have evolved from the baptism of fire to emerge a phoenix ready to take on the new world..let's wait and see..



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Posted on Fri, May 27, 2005 01:54

Here are some Quotes from the Nine Documentaries

Relying on Violence and Terror to Gain and Maintain Power

?The Communists disdain to conceal their views and aims. They openly declare that their ends can be attained only by the forcible overthrow of all existing social conditions.? [4] This quote is taken from the concluding paragraph of the Communist Manifesto, the Communist Party?s principal document. Violence is the one and main means by which the Communist Party gained power. This character trait has been passed on to all subsequent forms of the Party that have arisen since its birth.

In fact, the world?s first Communist Party was established many years after Karl Marx?s death. The next year after the October Revolution in 1917, the ?All Russian Communist Party (Bolshevik)? (later to be known as the ?Communist Party of the Soviet Union?) was born. This party grew out of the use of violence against ?class enemies? and was maintained through violence against party members and ordinary citizens. During Stalin?s purges in the 1930s, the Communist Party of the Soviet Union slaughtered over 20 million so-called spies and traitors, and those thought to have different opinions.

The Chinese Communist Party (CCP) first started as a branch of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union in the Third Communist International. Therefore, it naturally inherited the willingness to kill. During China?s first Communist-Kuomintang civil war between 1927 and 1936, the population in Jiangxi province dropped from over 20 million to about 10 million. The damage wrought by the CCP?s use of violence can be seen from these figures alone.

Using violence may be unavoidable when attempting to gain political power, but there has never been a regime as eager to kill as the CCP, especially during otherwise peaceful periods.

Since 1949, the number of deaths caused by CCP?s violence has surpassed the total deaths during the wars waged between 1921 and 1949.

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Posted on Fri, May 27, 2005 01:54

An excellent example of the Communist Party?s use of violence is its support of the Cambodian Khmer Rouge. Under the Khmer Rouge a quarter of Cambodia?s population, including a majority of Chinese immigrants and descents, were murdered. China still blocks the international community from putting the Khmer Rouge on trial, so as to cover up the CCP?s notorious role in the genocide.

The CCP has close connections with the world?s most brutal revolutionary armed forces and despotic regimes. In addition to the Khmer Rouge, these include the communist parties in Indonesia, the Philippines, Malaysia, Vietnam, Burma, Laos, and Nepal?all of which were established under the support of the CCP. Many leaders in these communist parties are Chinese; some of them are still hiding in China to this day.

Other Maoist-based Communist Parties include South America?s Shining Path and the Japanese Red Army, whose atrocities have been condemned by the world community.

One of the theories the communists employ is social Darwinism. The Communist Party applies Darwin?s inter-species competition to human relationships and human history, maintaining that class struggle is the only driving force for societal development. Struggle, therefore, became the primary ?belief? of the Communist party, a tool in gaining and maintaining political control. Mao?s famous words plainly betray this logic of the survival of the fittest: ?With 800 million people, how can it work without struggle??

Another one of Mao?s claims that is similarly famous is that the Cultural Revolution should be conducted ?every seven or eight years.? [5] Repetitive use of force is an important means for the CCP to maintain its ruling in China. The goal of using force is to create terror. Every struggle and movement served as an exercise in terror, so that the Chinese people trembled in their hearts, submitted to the terror and gradually became enslaved under the CCP?s control.

Today, terrorism has become the main en...



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