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Posted on Thu, May 05, 2005 01:16

No bonnie, I do not hate women (misogynist). Just because I have two bossy sisters, two bossy daughters, and three bossy granddaughters does not make me hate women. I just think I need to live on a deserted island, with no women bosses, that's all.

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YOu have been so conditioned that it is subconscious..I don't think you 'hate' them but you avoid them to save yourself..cowardice is the manisfestation of one who 'hates' headaches and problems with women..so you head for a deserted island to isolate and remove yourself from trouble..avoidance is a form of denial...so yours is a disguised form of .'misogyny' which even you can't recognise..
_diagnosis of a quack psycho-analyst...lol..you need help badly to cure yourself of bossy women...only 2% cheap cheap..

  


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Posted on Thu, May 05, 2005 01:10

Although you haven't been exposed to the Black community you'll be surprised to know that we Black women are just that... women and can be approached the same way in which you'd approach our White counterparts.

Just my 2 cents.

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well said..IN fact I work with alot of black women from all over the Commonwealth and in London the Afro-Carribean community has its own colorful Nottinghill Carnival every year..so the sampling of black women I meet and know come from a wider range..and through my years interacting with them, I could safely claim that they exude a certain camaraderie , spontaneity and warmth that far exceed the other races..just hear them sing in the church choirs and they will bring tears to your eyes..The Commonwealth Fair I help organise each year would be the poorer in spirit without them..
When my husband became an invalid in the last stage of his cancer, 4 black guys and nurse would attend to his daily needs..and one of the guys would come in the evening , chat to him and even sang to him while he hoisted him to bed in an electric hoist and this great guy's own wife was suffering from cancer..he made him feel so at ease,,that my husband , a stiff upper lipped Brit's last wish was for me to help with this charity which I had done for several years before that..it supports girls from 54 countries mainly from the Afro-Carribean countries , INdia and Asia to complete their secondary education and I have been fortunate to meet one of them who is currently doing her Phd in education at Cambridge from a tiny village in Zambia..a fantastic warm bright girl ..and I hope oneday she will return to Zambia to become their education minister..



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Posted on Wed, May 04, 2005 23:53

Finally,
someone gets it.



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Posted on Wed, May 04, 2005 21:57

i respect anothers culture-- but think we all belong to the same race..

HUMAN RACE



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Posted on Wed, May 04, 2005 17:24

Bonnie:"not in a million years would I want to marry and boss a hardened misogynist"

No bonnie, I do not hate women (misogynist). Just because I have two bossy sisters, two bossy daughters, and three bossy granddaughters does not make me hate women. I just think I need to live on a deserted island, with no women bosses, that's all.

lol

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Posted on Wed, May 04, 2005 15:46

Although you haven't been exposed to the Black community you'll be surprised to know that we Black women are just that... women and can be approached the same way in which you'd approach our White counterparts.

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If you are talking to wwwww, I have been very exposed to the black community the last 15-20 years. In fact, I may even be a family member of one family soon--one of the ladies I worked with for many years family. At least she told me I could marry either of her two beautiful, smart, Halle Berry look alike daughters and she would throw in her two sons as a bonus. They are all grown and she is getting desperate to marry them off. lol
Unfortunately, the girls don't go along with mom's plan.
lol



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Posted on Wed, May 04, 2005 15:44

reference to 'low class' but I think this days 'class' has a very reactive sort of connotation..one that tends to box and categorise people on a sort of set criteria
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Don't you find that low class people who think they are high class (in their mind only)and wannabes are the first in line to criticize or discriminate against someone different than themselves? I find it rather funny how people fool themselves, justify their failures or inadequacies, etc.

ps., I am really prejudiced against "hunks". They all are dumb as stumps. lol

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Posted on Wed, May 04, 2005 14:29

www. Well I knew that was exactly what you intended to mean with your reference to 'low class' but I think this days 'class' has a very reactive sort of connotation..one that tends to box and categorise people on a sort of set criteria..which I find rather unpleasant..because it is as though they are proven guilty before they are allowed to defend themselves..



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Posted on Wed, May 04, 2005 14:25

. Bonnie, you caught me again. I am going to have to hustle on another thread now.
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yeah I can smell a rat a long way away...anyway, I have just done some tentative proposition on your behalf on another thread..if it succeeds I will be billing you soon..check it out..



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Posted on Wed, May 04, 2005 12:48

Bonnie: "I think you are using a politically incorrect term there 'low class'- you are in danger of being criticised for stratifying your own society by that classfication, whether by education or economic means..maybe the term 'underprivileged or deprived' who have not had the benefit of education and a wider exposure to understand the damaging effects of prejudice and tyepcasting..is a better teminology."
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We clearly have a different understanding of "class". Wealth or education, or race, in my mind, has nothing to do with it. My definition would be about character traits. Thieves, mean, dishonesty, liers, bullies, murders, and another 50 adjectives that describe a worthless, undesirable person is how I define "low class". All the money or education in the world will not buy you "class" in my mind. You may be a rich, educated CEO or CFO of Enron, but if you lie, cheat, steal from millions or just cheat your partners or customers, you are "low class". Even if your title is "King", and you own a whole country, you can still be low class in my opinion. That's my story, and I'm sticking to it.
lol
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Posted on Wed, May 04, 2005 12:45

Bonnie: Ingenue, Beware of www.. he has just been let loose from the ward for mentally unstable..check his new topic on personality/mental disorder,suspect he is displaying some of his symptoms here..claiming paternal rights to you!
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I wasn't claiming paternal right. I was going to marry her. What I was displaying was narcissism. Good deal for me, not a good deal for her nor much concern for her and her happinesss. Bonnie, you caught me again. I am going to have to hustle on another thread now.
lol

wwwww



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Posted on Wed, May 04, 2005 03:49

If you work around or have to deal with a lot of low class people from any race, you have a tendency to think all people of that race are low class.
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www. I think you are using a politically incorrect term there 'low class'- you are in danger of being criticised for stratifying your own society by that classfication, whether by education or economic means..maybe the term 'underprivileged or deprived' who have not had the benefit of education and a wider exposure to understand the damaging effects of prejudice and tyepcasting..is a better teminology.
There is also the feeling of difference, we call anthropologically, the 'Other'..when we feel we are not part of the main norm circle, but displaced on the margin..the marginalised and the displaced 'Other'..whether by racial, cultural or economic classification..we feel we are being marginalised..
Living in the margin has its own advantage, we never need to feel we have to belong, we are able to have a bird's eye aerial view of the whole picture without being involved in the huge furore..the armchair critic/ spectator having his last laugh..that is a privileged position to be in..I often choose to be tucked in the margin observing this convoluted world.



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Posted on Wed, May 04, 2005 02:14

Ingenue,
Beware of www.. he has just been let loose from the ward for mentally unstable..check his new topic on personality/mental disorder,suspect he is displaying some of his symptoms here..claiming paternal rights to you!

www. well I see my polygamous lectures are having effect on you..not in a million years would I want to marry and boss a hardened misogynist and potential polygamist...I prefer being your agent and RP..already that is proving hard to be..need to get my whip out soon!

  


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Posted on Wed, May 04, 2005 00:47

"Why limit your life experiences based on skin color or cultural prejudices"

I don't like prejudice people, although at times I can see how people become that way. If you work around or have to deal with a lot of low class people from any race, you have a tendency to think all people of that race are low class. Of course it is not true, but I think that is how it all begins.

I was fortunate to work with talented people of all races for many years, and all were wonderful people. Same for the people I attended college with. I suppose because I was never around any really low class people for years is why I have never been a racist. Recently, I have become a racist -- a bunch of white trash that have worked for me. Totally useless.

I would like to pass on one tip when dealing with people who like racist jokes. Whatever race they are running down, I always tell them "Did you know that my daughers are 1/2 ______(whoever they are targeting the jokes against).
You would be suprised at their reactions and how quickly the jokes stop.

Now, to prove I am sincere, Ingenue, can you be here by tomorrow? Since you are so young, I may have to tell everyone you are my daughter, but we will know better.

Bonnie, I might go for you also (two wives), but I figure you would boss me around too much.
lol


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Posted on Sun, May 01, 2005 00:23


champagnepowder write:
I think people just need to expand their horizons a bit. Why limit your life experiences based on skin color or cultural prejudices??

----------------------------------------Welcome aboard ..you are definitely right..whatever our color , coursing under our skin we all have the same color..the color of blood is red..
When our life is at stake and we need blood, do we ever ask whether it comes from a black , yellow or white man/woman?



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Posted on Sat, Apr 30, 2005 23:52

I think people just need to expand their horizons a bit. Why limit your life experiences based on skin color or cultural prejudices?? I have had interracial relationships and haven't expereinced anything so negative that it would deter me from pursuing more of the same in the future. A lot of the negativity seems to be based on perception anyway. Get to know someone for who they are and what they have to offer and you'll experience much deeper relationships!



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Posted on Sat, Apr 30, 2005 02:17

So CUB drop Beachdreams4two a note..you are the only token white male here and you have such a wide choice already...strike when the iron is hot before the rest of the men find out ..lol



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Posted on Fri, Apr 29, 2005 12:27


Ingenue4you write:
Cub:

First of all, why would you never consider an interracial relationship? Is it because of the stigma attached or because of what your family would think and has ingrained in you (at least at a subconscious level)?

Bonnie:

I grew up in a single parent home, and alas only met/lived with one culture. As far as being mixed-race, I'm more mixed-culture. My father was Haitian and white, but I suppose Haitian since he was born over there. My mom was black. I was born in America. I grew up with my mother's family, esp since my father's was in Haiti.

I identify primarly with African-Americans.

Although even from my features, I've had a hard time with people trying to figure me out. I'm the only curly-headed person in the family and most people think I'm Indian, lol.

It seems that people automatically try to classify you, label you, put you in a box. And if people are so close-minded that they wouldn't give me a chance because of their parents, that's really really sad. They're missing out.

Chrissy:

I am SO sorry that men ignore you because of your bi-racial children. You deserve better than that. White men who are afraid of you or feel intimidated by you because you have been with black men don't deserve the pleasure of your company, or your children's. Men, ALL men, should EMBRACE diversity and your open-mind and open heart should be looked upon as an ASSET to any relationship.

P.S. You said you had a 25 year old. Is he single? LOL.

Thanks ingenue, all I hope is that one day, maybe not in our lifetime, color won't even be an issue. You are absolutely beautiful (are you a model?) you should be!! and yes my son is single (at least not married!) and he is GORGEOUS!!! lol



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Posted on Fri, Apr 29, 2005 12:19


Cub39 write:

crissydoll write:
I don't have a preference for skin color like some woman do but what people don't understand is once you have biracial children, mine are 25yrs,17yrs and 7yrs, not too many white men approach me. Which is very sad. I would like to possibly remarry again and it wouldn't matter what race the man was


I believe it is easy for the white men to put you in a box or category that you have been "lost" to the other side and like black men. And the black men are much more likely to take notice of you because you have already been that route so they can assume you are a white gal who likes black men.
Question becomes, how do you signal back to the white men that they are Ok also? How do destroy the concept of "once you go black, you never go back"? Maybe you have to approach the white man you are interested in to make it known?? Food for thought from a white guy.

This is really interesting I must say! Although I was engaged to a great white man, I really never talked to him about this. Thanks Cub for your input and I never thought of that, your absolutely right! I guess if I saw a white man with children of another race I would assume he wouldn't be interested in ME. I may just try your advice and see how it works. I'll let you know!!



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Posted on Fri, Apr 29, 2005 10:39

CUB..never too late to try..I am used to being stared at all the time..esp when with our kids, I have had total strangers in London, Greece and Japan stopping us to take pics of us..it is inevitable that we are a curious novelty .but you get used to that after a while.. what is really nice you will find is how you would be accepted by the 'other' group of friends..your interraction with the 'other' is an open invitation to lots more parties and you will soon be comfortable and forget what color you are..I now often find myself the only Oriental in all White parties and am thoroughly comfortable and people around me too forget..in fact because i am the only one in the crowd that is different, they remember me evertime I turn up at some other party..so try it, there is always the first time , and you will be pleasantly surprised..



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