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Posted on Fri, May 20, 2005 14:19

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You are telling me that I emailed you? Really!
(shocked) Hmp! I was not a preferred member for the past month or more. I just paid yesterday so you could read my posts. I wasn't aware there was a delay feature at the time. That means it was impossible for me to email you! You had to email me first! I do believe by the dictionary's definition of a lie, you just deviated from your self-perceived integrity
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Ummm ok, in fact I emailed you first on 4/25. It was short sweet and a simple question. You responded in a brief fashion.

However you did in fact email me, twice on 5/5, apparently using the email I sent 2 weeks earlier to do so. It was one of those emails I was referring to.
Regardless of whether you were emailing me first or merely replying, you did in fact, send me an email. Which is all I said.

Where's the lie?

By anyone's definition.

I said you sent me an email, and you did.

No lie.

Quite a stretch just to infer I lied Sharon.



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Posted on Fri, May 20, 2005 14:16

the crowd it so quiet that a pin dropped could be heard. Orion is putting much thought into the next post,..this could be a tie..shhhhhhh



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Posted on Fri, May 20, 2005 13:58

I am really, really perplexed... hold WHAT over you??

Maybe I should refer back to the email, I don't think I read it except maybe once or twice when you first sent it.

But I am still clueless why you thought I was holding something over you?

The part about not trusting American women??

I don't think you mentioned anyone specifically, and I didn't even give it a second thought. As a matter of fact, as I recall, I was inclined to say, "I don't either!" (although I don't think I shared that with you)

My suggestion at the time I said it was, if you're going to share, share everything, especially the part about who was trustworthy and who wasn't! That was the issue at the time, certainly not what people felt about American women!

I didn't even give that comment a second thought. And even if I had, what weight does it bear??

Please, call me dense, but why was I going to hold something, anything, over your head?



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Posted on Fri, May 20, 2005 13:36

First I was accused of bullying you.

Then I was accused of threatening you.

Now you claim you felt blackmailed?

Why?

The one time, in a post directed at you, I asked you how you might feel if I posted the rest of the email you brought up first!!

Think about it, please.

You got played Sharp.

I would never divulge anything anyone told me in confidence for any reason.

You or anyone else.

Quite simple, it's morally and ethically wrong.

You revealed confidential information first because you were afraid I might later?

Why on earth would you think I would do that, especially to you?

You fell prey to a manipulating busybody.

I hope you reread this later when you aren't so wound.

And with your permission, I'd like to delete my reference to the word b*tch.



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Posted on Fri, May 20, 2005 12:47

You listened to another person, then called me a liar, without checking the facts, that makes you not so sharp, by any definition.

Suggesting you could call me a jerk but didn't, is that akin to me saying I could call you a b*tch, but I really haven't, that's just an example?



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Posted on Fri, May 20, 2005 12:45

I haven't started.



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Posted on Fri, May 20, 2005 12:37

Sharp 5

Orion 4



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Posted on Fri, May 20, 2005 12:19

You asked me if I could have a civil intelligent discussion, now I'm asking you the same question.

It's rather apparent you are having a difficult time doing so.



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Posted on Fri, May 20, 2005 12:17

Oh and because there seems to be some confusion, allow me to say that I never told Petite or anyone else here that I was going to post anything you (Sharp) told me.

It never happened.

What I did say was that I thought I knew who she was gossip mongering with and asked her if she wanted to know what that person had said about her.

When she said she did, I said something like, "Too bad. Unlike you, I CAN keep confidences".

I deleted nothing.

It's still there, go read it.

I simply asked that either of you show the thread this post the two of you referred to, and then called me a liar about, or don't mention it at all.

Is that unreasonable?



Until someone can say categorically that I've lied, it's time you understand the fact that quite simply, I don't.

.

  


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Posted on Fri, May 20, 2005 12:07

What attack?

I either asked for clarification or presented it.

What attack??

A bunch of drivel and not one straight answer?!

Take a deep breath, reread what I wrote, and try to clarify your own original comments as I requested.

If you have any questions, please, ask.

If you can't, and if I may politely suggest in as quiet and as decent a tone as ever there was, shut up.

Please.



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Posted on Fri, May 20, 2005 10:53

<<>>

I think you have that right, Petite. You are still quite young. Just not that young. LOL..Bill



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Posted on Fri, May 20, 2005 10:32

Oh, I almost forgot, this is the new and improved Orion...

:::: sprinkiling sugar on everything I posted today ::::

  


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Posted on Fri, May 20, 2005 10:26


LASTONENSTOCK write:
For whatever it is worth, I just want to make a brief comment.I have a very high respect for Ed, and even though we don't always agree with different topics, I believe he is fair and honest. I have heard comments and questions as to why he is on this site, but , even though this is a dating site, not everyone is looking for "the one". They are looking for friendship. So, I would be disappointed if he wasn't here, because I value him as my friend. Especially during a tough time when Petite and I would open the forums, daily, to distorted pics and vulgar writings of ourselves. We were even accused of doing it ourselves. If you think that was easy for us to look at that, much less write it ourselves, you are so wrong. I hope that is all past and that we can find a way to acccept each other for who we are and what we believe in. It takes alot of energy to fight. And, in the long run, it is not worth it.



Good point, Last. I love Ed and I resent newbies coming on and dissing him and asking that tired old boneheaded question,

"If you're married, what are you doing on a dating site?"

YAAAWWWWNNN!!!! God .... read the past posts and realize you're overstepping the line, new people! It's a moot point, already! Hands off Ed!!!

  


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Posted on Fri, May 20, 2005 10:16

"Hanging onto resentment is like letting someone you despise live rent-free in your head."



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Posted on Fri, May 20, 2005 10:16


billzeke write:
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That is the thing, Bella. Sorry, but I have to rely on my own gut feeling when forming an opinion of others. Consider it a character flaw on my part..Bill



Gut feelings are the best source of info, Bill!

Now, I have to say ... you're scaring me! LOL All your suggestions for improving the site are ones I can't participate in right now!

I'm just an artist and a writer without much use or skill for monetary things until the landlord comes knocking. Well, I pushed it too far this time and now my life is in a turmoil so while I try to un-turmoilize it, (that's a good one, huh?) I can't justify paying for a membership with MM, I have no more credit cards, I already sold the Boxter and Mommy and Daddy are in Gstadt, so I'm virtually a baglady on the street.

I don't mind the short delay in revealing my posts. It was the two day delay that everyone hated. But it's my gut feeling ... LOL ... that MM will work it out. They're doing their best. It's hard to please EVERYBODY!

  


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Posted on Fri, May 20, 2005 10:11

I'll use a 10th grade vocabulary from now on so you'll understand and not feel bullied by "big" words, Sharp.

Let's stick to just the facts, the truth, is that possible?



(QUOTING NOTSOSHARP)
And without insults when you get defensive
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Apparently your own advise has personal exclusions also.

(QUOTING NOTSOSHARP)
You are a liar Orion, because Petite emailed me the other day to tell me of a post of yours that stated you were going to post my email in response to yours 2 wks ago. Earlier in the week, when I posted one after Ed's you posted back to me that you would post my email to you.
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Care to share where I posted any such thing Petite?

Sharp?? What post?

I daresay Petite lied, pulling your strings, because you're obviously gullible, you bought it without checking.

Again, WHAT POST??

Put up or shut up.

(QUOTING NOTSOSHARP)
A quality that defines character don't you think? And not a very good character defining quality.

I agree Sharp, and the two of you resemble the latter remark VERY much.



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Posted on Fri, May 20, 2005 10:10

(QUOTING NOTSOSHARP)
Then again maybe you are not lying...because you .

AHHHHHH, well, am I a liar or not Sharp? First you personally tell me you KNOW I'm NOT a liar, then you publically CALL me a liar, and now you're saying maybe I'm not?.

If you're going to call someone a liar, don't you think a responsible person should have an argument to support their claim?

(QUOTING NOTSOSHARP)
I remember you threatening me to divulge an email of mine that I responded to you 2 wks ago.
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It was YOU Sharp that started this whole episode when YOU stuck your nose in something YOU had no business in by referring to something said in a private email to me, in a public thread.

YOU, not me, publically sharing a private email.

After you did so, and to get your attention about having done so, I then asked you whether or not I should post the parts you left out??

(And although I never mentioned it, you and I both knew I was referring to the part where you specifically said you believed that I was NOT a liar and more importantly, the glaring omission of certain names from your "these are the people I trust" list).

And considering that at the time the debate was raging about who was lying or not, it could have spoken volumes in my defense had I posted what you wrote. But I didn't.

When I suggested that maybe I should post the parts you left out, I think you felt embarrassed and/or ashamed (at least you should have), and now that it suits your purpose, you're daring to suggest that I somehow was threatening you???

Despite YOUR own actions, and as much as I wanted to, I kept my mouth shut and instead choose to honor your confidences.

Unlike you, I took the high road.

Not by any stretch of the imagination did I threaten you, I simply made the point that you were running your mouth, and obviously you don't like hearing the truth.



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Posted on Fri, May 20, 2005 10:08

(QUOTING NOTSOSHARP)
2 wks ago Orion emailed me to go on about Ed being a Liar, how trustworthy he was?..yadda yadda yadda.
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Yes I did, a response to your pathetic whining email to me.

And once again, who has broken personal confidences and shared private email content?

Because you've broached the subject first, maybe for clarification the entire content of both emails should now be posted?

Hopefully you don't feel threatened when I ask that.




(QUOTING NOTSOSHARP)
Orion you really like to inundate people with your use of under used words that most people would need a dictionary. I know many professionals with degrees, PhD's, Masters graduating from Queen's, Harvard, etc...my cousin is a Director at Yale. I know multi-millionaires who are extremely excellent businessmen, and do business world wide.
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Interesting, I know a lot of folks like that too, and they NEVER seem to have a problem conversing with me? Why is that?

Just because YOU, and a handful of others on this site perhaps lack the education to understand what I'm saying, somehow now the rest of the world does too?

And there you go again, speaking for other people, people that have never even read what I've written!

Again, A very busy Busybody.



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Posted on Fri, May 20, 2005 10:07

(QUOTING NOTSOSHARP)
And without insults when you get defensive
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(QUOTING NOTSOSHARP)
I guess you feel you need to impress people, and you attempt to do so via your 'big' vocabulary. News flash...I doubt anyone is impressed...more like disgusted with you. You insult everyone & I'm certain I am not the only one who feels you are a bully on the...
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Who's insulting who, once again, while being defensive?

Once again, you're speaking for other people!


(QUOTING NOTSOSHARP)
No Orion, I think most people on these forums understood 5w's was joking when he asked the question about what is a dictionary? You are probably the only one whose head it went over!
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"most people"?? Ever notice you have the bad habit of supporting your conjecture (oooops bullsh*t) by dragging in the rest of the free world and suggesting they agree with you??

And if, as you suggested, it went over my head, don't I have a right to seek clarification? Ooops I'm sorry, ask for an answer?

I suggest once again, you?re just being a nosey busybody!



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Posted on Fri, May 20, 2005 10:05

(QUOTING NOTSOSHARP)
You try to question 5W's intelligence.
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Care to share where or what your brilliant mind concocted this statement from?

Apparently WWWWW is a person of above average intelligence.

Please support your once again vacuous (oooops devoid of substance) (oooops stupid) comments or please, keep your busybody nose out of what I say to other people.



Sitting there now, you're probably seething, and why??

I haven't done a dayum thing but spoken the truth.

No twists, no semantics, no big words.

The plain and simple truth.

No vagueness, no couching.

Just the facts, as requested, on a 10th grade level.



"Hanging onto resentment is like letting someone you despise live rent-free in your head."



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