I happen to be a complete, total, dyed in the wool atheist.
I think Jesus did exist perhaps as a minor religious person of the time but that he was embellished and magnified by Paul and that Christianity would probably have not existed without Paul
The Scriptures command us to 'judge not, least ye be judged'. That said, I will tell you there is no physical 'proof' that existed. It is a matter of faith.
My faith says yes He did exist. My 'proof'? I have been cancer free now for three years. During that time, I have been rewarded with life, peace of mind, family and a beautiful daughter. That's all the 'proof' I need.
An extremely eloquent post 2Much!
Jesus was real, that much we know.
And as far as all the hype, attributes, improper translations, misconstrued statements, etc..., look at the core principal behind it all.
It is the principal that Jesus, Muhammed, ALL the prophets represent that is the true intent of it all!
It's ALL good.
And as far as a virgin birth goes, it certainly was possible. We can do it today, certainly there exists those elsewhere that could do that much back then, and more.
Believe it, or not.
Legend, liar, lunatic or Lord? Those are not the only four choices.
How about mistaken?
How about misquoted?
How about mistranslated (especially in the King James translation, which is grossly inaccurate)?
How about misconstrued?
How about censored (for religious or political reasons), so that we only have part of the message?
How about over-hyped, in an attempt to woo converts?
How about re-written or modified?
How about garbled, so that all we have is a shadow of what was actually preached?
Don't forget that there are many sayings attributed to Jesus in the non-canonical gospels that are excluded from the biblical canon because they did not conform to a particular 4th century's view (as reflected in the Council of Nicea) of the meaning of Jesus' teachings.
Don't forget that only a few years after Jesus's death, even Jesus' brother James (who headed the pro-circumcision faction) and Paul the Apostle (who preached to the Greek gentiles), quarreled as to what Jesus' message really was.
The fact is that it is impossible to prove whether Jesus was divine. The question of his divinity is an issue of faith, not logic, archeology or psychiatry.
Jesus existed, but not as the son of some supreme being. I think Jesus was just a religious zealot and his stories have been sensationalized over the centuries.
There are no immaculate conceptions as anyone with some science knowledge can tell you! If Mary is Jesus' mother...then she conceived with someone and was ashamed to admit it for fear of retaliation of some kind....sort of like 'The Scarlet Letter'
PhoneyGift, Well, why dont you say plainly what you believe. Giving scripture doesnt tell us what you believe. Saying what you believe and then, giving back up scripture allows others to search for themselves wheather what you believe matches scripture or not.You DID say the old Testament should be destroyed. You DID say that the gospels did not exhist. You DID say there is no hell.You DID say there is no devil.You DID say that there was no proof Jesus exhisted so, my question is simple, do you believe that Jesus is Gods son that, he dwelt among men in the flesh? Others, she probably wont answere me but, if she avoids answering you on this question then, she should show you all you need to know about her.In fact, all the things she has already said should tell you all you need to know - that she may call herself a so called spiritualists but, all she is, clearly shows she is a glorified fortune teller seeking your money.Pure and simple.She can say her belief is a religion but, her statements clearly show it is a cult with all kinds of screwed up beliefs.I say she cant prove she isnt an angel of the devil - in fact, her statements about the above clearly shows just that.
You know what is weird, AGiftfromHeaven, a anthesit try to prove that God didn't exist through Quantum Algebra and here through math he actually proved that there is a God...Now he is a believer of God....
I'm Proud that I am a God follower....Nobody can't change my mind about God...
Tomboy, AGiftFRomHell denies that Jesus is Gods son in the flesh. Read 1 John. He clearly says that anyone who denies that Jesus is come in the flesh is an antichrist. Her cult believes that also and so, there are many antichrists as he predicted there would be, even during his time, there were many as he says.
Tomboy, that doctrine of the tribulation and rapture sounds good but, will not hold up against real bible truths and close examination.It is full of holes and is a false doctrine.Jesus never has been, never will be interested in an earthly kingdom. He is already King of Kings and Lord or Lords, reigning over his Kingdom, the church.His own followers misunderstood and thought the very same thing some do today, that he was talking about a materialistic kingdom when, all the time, he was talking about a spiritual kingdom, the church.
I believe that Jesus and God exists. For those who don't believe in God and Jesus are the ones that are gonna live hard through the 7 year tribulation. I'm totally prepare for the rapture. For those who don't know what the rapture is watch the "Left Behind" movies and read the "Left Behind" Series Books, they give people an excellent idea of the what the world will be like after the rapture and when the antichrist takes place. Believing in God and Jesus is the most coolest thing that anyone can do in their life.
Here is another writing by an angostic. " Jesus could have been only one of four things, a legend, a liar,a lunatic or, Lord and God. There is so much historical and archeological evidence to support his exhistance that every reputable historian agrees he was not a legend. If, he were a liar,why would he die for his claim when he could have avoided such a cruel death with a few choice words? If, he was a lunatic, how did he engage in intelligent debates with his opponents or handeled the stress of his betrayal and crucifixion while continueing to show a deep love for his antagonists? He said he was Lord and God. The evidence supports that claim.