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Posted on Sat, Oct 29, 2005 16:36

brekke,

Girl, all I have to say to that is A-M-E-N!! We are definitely "having church" now!!
brekke,

Girl, all I have to say to that is A-M-E-N!! We are definitely "having church" now!!

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Posted on Sat, Oct 29, 2005 05:47

As a child I grew up as a Christian reading the bible, later stayed with Jehovahs Witness's taking bible studies. As an adult I am reading the Glorious Qur'An. I respect all religions and have many friends of many different faiths. I don't 'hate' anyone, they may not have my respect but they will never have hate!

I believe that whatever you give out to the world is mirrored back at you and every single person you see, meet, talk with, work with is affected by you(and you them) so give out smiles..it costs you nothing but could mean a great deal to someone else's life.

Yet I don't believe in god!

I believe in love, I believe in justice, I believe we are all the same underneath the colour, the religion, the geographical status, the gender...infact the whole outward thing!

I don't feel like a loser with an empty life! I believe my life is full...of love..laughter..friends and family!


niceguylooking...I like your belief!
As a child I grew up as a Christian reading the bible, later stayed with Jehovahs Witness's taking bible studies. As an adult I am reading the Glorious Qur'An. I respect all religions and have many friends of many different faiths. I don't 'hate' anyone, they may not have my respect but they will never have hate!

I believe that whatever you give out to the world is mirrored back at you and every single person you see, meet, talk with, work with is affected by you(and you them) so give out smiles..it costs you nothing but could mean a great deal to someone else's life.

Yet I don't believe in god!

I believe in love, I believe in justice, I believe we are all the same underneath the colour, the religion, the geographical status, the gender...infact the whole outward thing!

I don't feel like a loser with an empty life! I believe my life is full...of love..laughter..friends and family!


niceguylooking...I like your belief!

  


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Posted on Thu, Oct 27, 2005 10:17

I personally don't believe there is a place called "Hell"

Because, if we are taught to believe that God is an all loving and all forgiving Father, then how in the heck could he send one of his childeren to such a place as "Hell"
I know as a Father my kids couldn't do anything that Bad, to make me want to send them to a place like that.

I also believe that people here on Earth create their own "Hell" they live their "Hell" right here and right now. They make their lives "Hell" throught their own Brains.

Just my own belief, I'm not going to argue or get involved with a bunch of stuff here.
I personally don't believe there is a place called "Hell"

Because, if we are taught to believe that God is an all loving and all forgiving Father, then how in the heck could he send one of his childeren to such a place as "Hell"
I know as a Father my kids couldn't do anything that Bad, to make me want to send them to a place like that.

I also believe that people here on Earth create their own "Hell" they live their "Hell" right here and right now. They make their lives "Hell" throught their own Brains.

Just my own belief, I'm not going to argue or get involved with a bunch of stuff here.



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Posted on Thu, Oct 20, 2005 10:31

you are absolubly righ with god beside you you have power without him you are a loser, living an empty life .
you are absolubly righ with god beside you you have power without him you are a loser, living an empty life .

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Posted on Thu, Oct 13, 2005 06:22

all i know is i am saved and baptised, i am all about jesus, and i am going to heaven, i know it, it is the promise god gave me for believing in him and im not changing my view...



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Posted on Sat, Sep 24, 2005 14:43


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Heaven or Hell is not a geographical place or one out there in the universe or beyond or down in the earth somewhere. Heaven or Hell is a state of mind and a way of life here on earth while you are alive.

In Luke 17:21 Jesus said "-- the kingdom of God is within you."



I would not believe everything you read, especially vague and confusing statements like the location of a "kingdom" is inside you. If it's there, how will I get there, I can't exactly fly, walk, drive, jump, swim, or collapse to it.

I'm still working on who "I" am. Until I figure that out, "I" can't be aware that I am anywhere specific or direct myself to go anywhere specific.

Even if Heaven, assuming it exists, is within, I can only GO to places, however obscure, as in within, that's kind of the definition of going, it implies leaving point a to BE elsewhere. Unless it's the "state of mind" definition, then I can BE in that state as soon as I figure out WHO it is and how do I ascertain my current state and maneuver it to some other state.

But, the whole concept of Heaven, Hell, state of mind, etc., I'm just not buying that concept, the logic just isn't there. In fact, I still don't have a logic and evidence beyond belief supported definition for who WE are, and until I get there, there will be no "state" or "location".



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Posted on Thu, Sep 08, 2005 09:40

Heaven or Hell is not a geographical place or one out there in the universe or beyond or down in the earth somewhere. Heaven or Hell is a state of mind and a way of life here on earth while you are alive.

In Luke 17:21 Jesus said "-- the kingdom of God is within you."



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Posted on Wed, Sep 07, 2005 17:35

Whether in the Jungle, the City or the mountains: Man will make up something to worship. A form of God, an Idol.

There is something within us that makes us long for our true creator. Though many of us just have not an explanation.



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Posted on Sun, Sep 04, 2005 15:40

The word I got was, Life is a gift, we are here to enjoy it, NOBODY gets out without sin. So have fun. However you find to do that. And you will be held accountable. It made sense when I was a child, it makes sense as an adult. Even without God and Religion.

So, for fun: I have to tell you, a darn lot of my idea of fun is considered sin by a lot of people. To quote a popular one, let he who is without sin cast the first stone. Look at me. Know what I'm thinking? Do I look like I'm the sinner kind? I do? Then if I'm so BAD, why are you smiling about it?



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Posted on Tue, Aug 02, 2005 04:40

I am appalled. Absolutely appalled. I have never read the forums before now and cannot believe the childish, mindless namecalling happening in the name of Christ of all things! It is human nature to be defensive about ones beliefs but how on earth did the topic of heaven and hell degenerate to this?! For ladies and gentlemen of faith, remember that grace comes with self restraint and tolerance. For ladies and gentlemen of the "school of life", remember that in the war of words, it is silence that speaks loudest.



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Posted on Mon, Aug 01, 2005 22:04

Christianity a crutch. An opiate of the masses Causes wars even. Apologetics 101. But Marx was a little upset by the feudal system at the time and being a good German as Luther was, he stirred it up a bit. The Church does not always have a good PR system in place. However opiates are like religion and they cause wars. Depending on the opiate. you have your saviour depending on which opiate you choose, most are minor deities compared to Heroin. So then you have the rituals that surround the drug, finding it, funding it, shooting it, willing to go to jail for the cause, some make pilgrimages to the land of poppies. There are even Drug wars.



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Posted on Mon, Aug 01, 2005 18:31

I would politely offer a different view of what the world has latched onto.

Judge not lest ye be judged.

It means if you judge someone or something, you will be judged by the same standard.

The bible doesnt tell people not to judge. It in fact tells them to judge between right and wrong, good and bad, righteous and unrighteous. Not for the purpose of condemning anyone, but so that we may rightly divide truth from falsehood. Part of our journey as believers is to learn to judge with the same love, compassion, wisdom, and equality that God would.

Just wanted to make mention of the judging thing that everyone likes to throw around.



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Posted on Mon, Aug 01, 2005 17:56

Meet the maker hmm...Been there and have done that in my life which is a long story...These days I try to focus on the things beyond good and evil...Doing if but for just the sake of doing...Was with some good friends a little while ago spartan minutes maybe a little over a an hour ago...Christianity was the one our topics of discussion...The orginized aspects of the so called church is corrupt indeed...Christ warned of the coming, beware of false prophets and he meant within his own camp...Let he who is without sin cast the first stone...None of us have any right to judge the beliefs of others...
Love & Light,
PhX217



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Posted on Mon, Aug 01, 2005 08:40

Well this isn't one of the best forums to debate religion. I couldn't debate a thing until I read Aquinas, Augustine and Calvin. I was reading post-modernist theology and I liked this thought that before Reformation there was one way to go to hell, and after the Reformation there were hundreds.



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Posted on Sun, Jul 31, 2005 13:51

PORSCHE951,

You must have studued some physics in college but I don't think they taught you any of that.

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I don't believe in the Bible or any other religious book, but if you do then read John 10:17-18. Jesus said that no man could take his life. "Therefore doth my father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father." So, if you believe the Bible nobody killed Jesus. If anybody did, he did it himself.

But he didn't die on the cross. He was seen walking around after his so-called crucifixion. At one point he is supposed to have appeared amongst his disciples who thought he was a spirit. He said he was no spirit, that spirits didn't have flesh and blood as he did. He asked them for something to eat and then he walked away eating it.

He told the people that if he didn't show them signs and wonders they wouldn't believe him.

He was an amateur magician. His bringing of Lazarus back to life was a trick, the bringing of the widow's son back to life was a trick, even the disciples "brought people back to life".

The bringing of the dead back to life in those days was a trick. Preachers don't do it today because most people wouldn't believe them or at least I don't think they would.

The crucifixion and resurrection was Jesus's last trick then he just faded out.
The so-called crucifixion and resurrection was his last sign and wonder



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Posted on Sun, Jul 31, 2005 11:29

Nobody knows what Jesus looked like. He may not have looked like anything. He might just be a figment of the imagination of Paul.

If they ever invent a time machine that goes both ways in time and I get a ticket to ride on it, one of the first things I am going to do is to go back and check on the Jesus myth.



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Posted on Sun, Jul 31, 2005 11:15

If God is either male or female then he or she has s*ex organs. Why? What does the God do with them? If he or she looks like a person then they have arms and legs. Why? Where do they walk and what do they lift? Do they have eyes? What do they see? Do they have digestive organs? What do they eat? Where do they go to the bathroom?

If angels have wings what are they powered with and why? Is there air in Heaven?

It is all nonsense. There is no God or anything else supernatural.



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Posted on Thu, Jul 28, 2005 11:42

There's some guy who advertises in the Houston Chronicle that the world is going to end in 2017.

I wonder what he is going to say when he wakes up January 1, 2018 and everything is still around?



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Posted on Wed, Jul 27, 2005 14:35

I'm a 75 year old guy.

These days for me sin is a lot harder to find and much more expensive.



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Posted on Tue, Jul 19, 2005 13:45

My theory on hell,


"First, We postulate that if souls exist, then they must have some mass. If they do, then a mole of souls can also have a mass. So, at what rate are souls moving into hell and at what rate are souls leaving? I think we can safely assume that once a soul gets to hell, it will not leave.

Therefore, no souls are leaving. As for souls entering hell, let's look at the different religions that exist in the world today. Some of these religions state that if you are not a member of their religion, then you will go to hell. Since there are more than one of these religions and people do not belong to more than one religion, we can project that all people and souls go to hell. With birth and death rates as they are, we can expect the number of souls in hell to increase exponentially.

Now, we look at the rate of change in volume in hell. Boyle's Law states that in order for the temperature and pressure in hell to stay the same, the ratio of the mass of souls and volume needs to stay constant. Two options exist:

If hell is expanding at a slower rate than the rate at which souls enter hell, then the temperature and pressure in hell will increase until all hell breaks loose.
If hell is expanding at a rate faster than the increase of souls in hell, then the temperature and pressure will drop until hell freezes over.

The things I do in my spare time!!!



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