www..in my MA course in Modern chinese and Japanese literature..I stumbled on a fascinating fact, the ideals of western socialism was first planted into the minds of a group of Chinese literary students studying at Columbia University who were so enamoured of Wellesley's concept of socialism and Nationalism..that this group of literary students returned to China and imported those ideals and started literary clubs, changed and simplified the complicated chinese writing in 1917 as it is known today so that the Chinese masses could be educated quickly of this great western political philosophy..This group's work so fascinated Mao Tse Tung that he joined them and the rest was history. He had used them as a propanganda and education machinery to publicise his socialistic ideals which was later over powered by Mao's fascination with Marx's more stringent ideals..so China's brand of communism is a fascinating mutation of WEstern nationalism that has traces of Wellesley's import and Marx's ideals which Mao continued to tinker and mutate till he evolved Maoism....there grew then several factions who were propagating various political ideals..Dr. Sun Yat Sen, the Western educated doctor and father of the new republic in 1918 was not powerful enough to propagate his more conservative democratic movement and was overtaken subsequently by a host of useless proteges including Chiang Kaishek who was pro-American and supported by the US govt. but he lost to Mao later and fled to Taiwan..and was not such a popular leader as the west has deemed him to be...I could go on and on but shall spare you of the details..so if u want to read about what China's real revolution is about I could give you ream and verse ..but lots need to be translated from Chinese..
Bonnie: "Communism if I was one of the leaders in that long march to change and would probably have been a matyr for that cause"
Bonnie, have you read the
Nine Commentaries, the history of the Chinese Communist, the millions killed, the brutality, killing the educated, wiping out the culture and replacing it with communism, etc.
Read it here.
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Apparently 1.5 million chinese have resigned from the Chinese Communist Party because of this document. It is entitled Nine Commentaries on the Communist party and is in French, German, English, and Chinese.
www...Communism if I was one of the leaders in that long march to change and would probably have been a matyr for that cause when u see so much injustice in a country squandered away by centuries of selfish warlords and feudalistic dynastic families. ..the revolutionary in me surfaces..imagine such alot of real adventure marching thru severe terrain trying to change your own country with ideals imported from some great socio-political hero from the West called Marx!!. It could have been a replay of the French revolution..gone awry ..that human beings are probably incapable of being altruistic..whether it is socialist ideals or otherwise.
British rule was one of subtle silent domination and our leaders too had to fight that war for our freedom..there were riots and unemployment , poverty ..not that different..one commits the sort of subtle cultural genocide obliterating the native culture by an even more subtle form of conditioning ..that one could only survive if one assimilates into that culture but be subservient to its masters..what is the difference? that I should applaud Colonialism for making me what I am today?? I was caught in that twilight zone when we became a republic and fortunately my country went thru a less traumatic transformation than those lesser colonies..and my own education was not disrupted..
..the BOxer revolution, the Opium war were one of attempted domination thru trade..selling to China opium which a weak country did not need..unfair trading and occupation of another's territory could never be justified for any reason ..and taking advantage of a weak country at the brink of bankruptcy in the throes of internal civil wars and strife..so please don't go into history again..
Colonialism is just an alternative word for en masse domination conducted by self-serving powers no different from pirates on a rampage, all in the name of a mission to educate and serve the poor illiterate natives in their poor isolated world..give me a break
wwww...I have often asked that question especially recently when I was there..if I grew up in China on Hainan island, I may have had a pretty standard education but then again because my grandfather was a Guomindang high official , our families would be persecuted hence he fled when the Communist took over..I might have also become a doctor like an aunt of mine who now runs a major hospital on that island..so I think I might still have been a professional proletariat member after some political brain-conditioning , expounding revolutionary ideals..I met quite a few of these women in my meetings recently in China. There was one who is the chief of the official Shanghai cultural Dept..she was about my age and she has a team of men of all ages under her supervision and command..who knows I think I might have been a very powerful dowager...in a potentially very powerful nation..you will be amazed at how many women in powerful positions there are in my age group running vey big institutions and companies today in China..so I might just have been very powerful perhaps married to a very important high official in the politburo...lol..and I might still be here conversing in English because they have very fluent speakers of English and any European languages from Russian to German..the Chinese are natural linguists since they speak over hundreds of dialects and languages..so what were you expecting me to tell you, that I might just be a little farmer's wife toiling in the farm...I have not begun to tell you the history of the women in my family ..and how they have all been pioneers in their time...lol..it is in my genes..dominatrix in all conditions..lol..the leopardess never changes her spots either..
btw if you have read about the three Soong sisters who married the three most important figures in Chinese history, they were born in the same village that my father came from..so I might have followed their footsteps..lol
In all my encounters with people from all over the world, Canadians have always been one of my favorite in that you are always more open to suggestion and open to people from all over the world mainly because I guess you understand what it is like living under the shadow of a powerful neighbor..hence your empathy is borne out of shared experience. (www..I see you grimacing as I make this prejudicial statement)
I grew up in a colony which was in the throes of fighting for independence throughout my teens and watched the politics and the struggle for survival .
I witness the hard metamorphosis of politics and change in my own country. I may be in danger of having a permanent chip on my shoulder when one has gone thru such hard times and therefore less tolerant and even cynical of those who have not. Adversity makes the true man just as diamonds are the product of severe conditions. We are conditioned to see life from a harder perspective, not thru rose-tinted glasses..
wwwww123 write: Here is a cultural difference for you.
An Englishman is a person who does things because they have been done before. An American is a person who does things because they haven't been done before.
Mark Twain A true statement for all who dare to go down un-trodden paths..the immigrant adventurer who dare venture out of his familiar comfort zone has that spirit..but the Brits will tell you Isaac Newton did not follow the norm and discovered lots including gravity just sitting under the apple tree...he was not American...lol
"In religion and politics people's beliefs and convictions are in almost every case gotten at second-hand, and without examination."
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"The man who does not read good books has no advantage over the man who can't read them."
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"I have no color prejudices nor caste prejudices nor creed prejudices. All I care to know is that a man is a human being, and that is enough for me; he can't be any worse."
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"Good breeding consists in concealing how much we think of ourselves and how little we think of the other person."
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"I don't give a damn for a man that can only spell a word one way."
www..that is quite right , domination is just a form of bullying and robbery..but when it is done en masse it is also known as colonization..
historically, all countries and kingdoms were formed through the conquest of territories..men as territorial animals marking their boundaries by force. The lion of the tribes take all and become King.
Thomas Payne wrote (in 1776) about kings in "Common Sense".
If "we could take off the covering of antiquity and trace them (kings) to their first rise, we should find the first of them nothing better than the principal ruffian of some restless gang, whose savage manners of pre-eminence in subtility obtained him the title of chief among plunderers
. I just came back from Australia, and noticed from museums visits, that it's history begun with the arrival of the west to its shore - Dutch in Perth and British in the East coast. I could be wrong though...
YOu are right Maayan, because the Brits and Europeans have always had a history of recording and registering facts..and figures..it is inevitable that the earliest written records would be kept by them and these would be displayed as if history begun with the arrival of the west..earliest records would be those kept by the missionaries and the first troupes sent out with the prisoners..since all the natives and indigenous migrants were either lowly educated and too busy to keep any form of written record. The same with the history of Singapore, it was 'founded by Raffles'..'Founded' is such a quaint and inaccurate word..like he discovered the moon or something..when he arrived there were already in existence for years the migrant Indian, Chinese workers who were working side by side with the native Malays...so it is a historical misnomer to claim that Singapore was 'founded' by Raffles...it was 'claimed as a colony' is more appropriate without consensus nor approval by any of the indigenous population who were then ocupying the territory..not dissimilar to Colombus who founded the Americas...even though the REd Indians were the natives there.
Sharp, I don't begrudge the Brits for leaving behind an educational system and judicial system that worked well for our economy but we paid a high price too for that as the subjects.
As members of the Commonwealth sharing a common history, yet more than 80% of these countries remain in the 'underdeveloped world' which is ironic that it should not be called 'commonpoor' ..did the colonial experience changed the living standards of these natives, not much.
CAnada, Australia ..had a different experience in that as a predominantly English and Caucasian territory , the British rule was different.
In the other parts of the colonial empire , we still remember there use to be signs in elevators forbidding Non-Whites and dogs from entry.WE would have to read English LIterture , poetry that has little relevance to our lives, imagine reading about 'ode to autumn' by Coleridge when we only have summer all year round, or 'hotcross buns' an d'Christmas pudding' when we don't celebrate Christmas..so we had British culture rammed down our throat and while I know lots about English literature I know little about my own chinese Literture..it is a form of cultural genocide that we had to obliterate our own cultural heritage to adopt one that is completely alien to our own...fortunately I see that as just a new experience and small wonder that I married my colonial master..and had to adopt his country as mine..In our family it is not the 'generation gap ' that exist but also 'educational and cultural gap' ..since my parents were all Chinese educated and we are not..the price for our adulterated history is our own heritage..the irony is here in UK I still get Brits asking me where I learn how to speak such good English..I usually smile and reply: 'from School just like you and certainly not the gutter..'
Ignorance has its own price tag..
maayan: "I still strongly feel that wars should be avoided instead of rushed into"
With the exception of Korea, I don't know of any wars that were rushed into by the major powers. Saddam was raising hell for 20 years before his demise. Hitler nibbled away at the world country by country for years before it became a world war. The North Vietnam communist fought the French many years before the US entered the war.
These aggressors have a long term strategic plan to take over and will "test the market" to see how far they can go before someone seriously objects. Saddam did it all the time. The US has finally learned: "Give them a inch and they will take a mile". Also, don't play around when you do decide to act.
We could not pass our own laws. They had to be sent to British parliament to be considered and passed. SO we were definitely there! As we are also there in Iraq too, but you don't hear about it.
By the late 1800s historically more than 3/4 of the world were under the rule of 1/10th of the people who deem themselves the master colonialists...and the lives of all these natives in the colonies were determined by some strange parliament thousands of miles away...how did it feel having your laws and decisions as to your daily life be dictated by total strangers from another part of the world speaking a different language?
Funny that Sharp you feel so strongly too about CAnada under the rule of UK ..
Domination in any shape or shade is an encroachment of freedom..I often laugh so cynically when I see the huge debate here about UK being defiant about joining the EU and having decisions made by some collective body in Europe..and wondered if they ever thought what they have been doing for over 200 years as colonial masters..
Marking territorial rights and boundaries determined through domination and power is just an extension of the animal kingdom..the human race remain as regressive..
These days the domination is played out in the economic arena..oil, natural resources, nuclear power...
We are constantly in danger of self-annihilation as a human race if not by some terrible disaster caused by nature or environmental imbalance due to our lack of care and neglect or blatant warfare..and all the dire consequences of mutation of the earth..
Scientists continue to do secret studies for the last 5 decades on the effect of the victims of the two H-bombs..in Singapore we are even suspecting that the fallout of that bomb might have some effect on the high incidence of young cancer patients..
I fear our kids will inherit the sins of our own dire acts..
Thanks Maayan, Sixft, www, sharp ..for starting this cyber war of words and historical facts...I never had so much history lesson on such a small space in my life...lol
History told in different perspectives could paint different emotional pictures to different audiences...historical data and facts on hindsight sometimes would show such glaring stupidity of the decisions that world leaders have made in desperate political crises..Often reasons for those decisions are not thoroughly thought out and sometimes they are only given to cover gross errors on hindsight ..history books could be economical with the truth or tell a different truth too..so as a legally trained suspicious mind , I am always keen on looking for source of all information and facts, evidence , evidence..admissible evidence.only...lol