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Posted on Mon, Feb 20, 2006 04:28

Angyson write:
Many of you ladies are not aware of the backlash created by feminists to your relationships. It started with equal pay for equal work, which I support. But why hire a guy when a gorgeous woman has the same qualifications? Suddenly, this is inappropriate behavior or politically incorrect.Inappropriate according to whose standards? Politically incorrect according to which political party?

There is a difference between misogynism and feminism they may fall on the same side of the coin ..but yet one is longer in history than the other.To be politically correct is not to fall foul of any of these two sides these days.

Years ago when I was a young lawyer , I know it was tough to appear serious to my clients because my youth and looks meant that I could get through the doors of powerful men but they had a rather different agenda on their mind...but i sure was good at using it to my advantage..whether politically correct or otherwise ..increasingly these days youth, good looks , male or female have a premium and smart move by companies who take advantage of it. Of course it is politically disadvantageous or incorrect to the plain looking average man.
I have also discovered having lived for years in Japan, that femininity is a far more powerful force to reckon with than feminism.



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Posted on Wed, Apr 05, 2006 07:56

Angyson write:
Thank you Bonnie.

love the pic....very sexy...



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Posted on Tue, Mar 28, 2006 18:28

blueeyesonlakelanier write:
Omg, Rob, you had me dieing in hysterics over that one. Where did we find you? We can and do change the rules. And conforming? Lol, well not a women trait really. Although thank you for the definition of everything, the words all started to blend together. Oh yeah and by the way, I liked your idea on the previous thread, about starting a singles dance in Atlanta. It would be interesting to say the least. How was the one you attended?


Interesting concepts you have there BlueEyes... And let me guess, to further confuse them, you tell them that they are bad communicators? LOL... I guess this old martian will never be able to translate venusian! Maybe you could write a book to cover what Dr. John Gray forgot to tell us. :o)

Dance was okay. Much less of a meat market than a regular dance club/bar. The skill level was much higher on the dancing as was the average age. I was probably young compared to many of the men there. It is kind of an older crowd, probably 40 to mid 50s average. Probably 150+ people there.

Your odd rules would fit right inline there at the dance though Kandis. They have certain dances that are ladies' choice, and certain dances that are men's choice, and then a few "rebels" running around just asking whomever and when ever! LOL I think Tasha mentioned that she was moving to ATL... Maybe after she gets here, we could pick a good Friday and all go there and see if any of the dance experts there could tell us when it is most appropriate "to tango" !!! :o)



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Posted on Tue, Mar 28, 2006 14:10

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Posted on Tue, Mar 28, 2006 14:09

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Posted on Wed, Mar 22, 2006 18:29

well i am a model so if i didnt look nice i wouldnt get much work would i ?

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Posted on Wed, Mar 22, 2006 09:37

I am with Lombard on this one! ROFL

While being a rebel (To refuse allegiance to and oppose authority) may in fact be the opposite of fascism (Oppressive, dictatorial control), it is a bit scary...

Certainly everyone enjoys a bit of diversity in relationships,but IMHO a long term relationship must be based in understanding of some general rules of confomity in order to maintain a sense of security. I don't think people actually worry about milk (maybe the fat content) or parcheesi (a game with some preset rules for orderly movement about the board), but rather they enjoy them and the comfort they provide. A sense of accomplishment comes from a game well played.

My personal preference is for backgammon, which has many variations, and if agree upon by the participants, the rules may be changed to accomidate the desires of the parties involved. Typically though, changing the rules with no communication before hand would be considered cheating.

If there is no sense of comfort and security in a relationship, sometimes it is better to simply be alone rather than feeling lonely in a partnership. Or atleast that is my opinion. :o)



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Posted on Mon, Mar 20, 2006 11:03

sharp1 write:

So, instead we can interpret that you are suggesting there are no difficult & challenging women on MM. You think we women on MM are like a Buick & warm milk, who prefer quiet evenings playing mundane games like Parchesi. We women like confident, compassionate, intelligent, articulate men...
not gorillas aggressively strutting their stuff and laying claim to ownership of females! :-)



OMG- A buick and warm milk?? What's that? great for long drives and relaxing right before bedtime. He he he

Seriously Sharpe wouldn't you agree that it's ok to strut a little because that's all a part or your "Swagger"? You know, the way a man with confidence carrys himself. Aren't women drawn to confidence in a man?

I'm inclined to agree with Rob, "men are simply collectors and providers. Biologically, men cannot spawn the next generation to provide for the continuation of the species. Perhaps because of their larger size and internal insecurities, men have evolved society in this way...

That is not to say all men are this way. Many cherish the opposite gender, and seek intelligent, strong willed partners with whom to pursue their lifelong goals."

  


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Posted on Sun, Mar 19, 2006 14:19

blueeyesonlakelanier write:
Rob, hey cutie smiling at you. Collectors and providers? Hm, that is debateable. How was the dance? inquiring minds want to know.

Kandis


Certainly it would be debatable, and probably negotiable too for that matter in our modern society. But being that Homo Sapiens have been around 60k-300k years or so(depending on whose theory you believe), do the last 2-3000 years really count as far as overall trends? LOL

I guess it mainly boils down to the individuals involved. Certainly today, many woman can collect/provide for themselves, and many wish to do so. There is but one thing that they can't provide though. :o) Well, not with current technology anywho, not that other species can't.

Dance was fun. I really need some lessons though. I didn't do any collecting but did provide a few drinks for some ladies there. :o) I think next week, they are actually giving some intro lessons, and I have been researching some dance lessons at a dance studio. Those people there are dang good, and I feel like an awkward duck in the mist of swans...

Maybe we should get an Atlanta group from MM to go!



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Posted on Sun, Mar 19, 2006 10:03

My grandmothers were both business women, who owned retail clothing stores. They supported not only their husbands, but their family and friends too. They invested wisely, and died with enough to set up their children and grandchildren, both of my grandfathers did the cooking, and worked manual labor jobs, for minimum pay. This was long before women's lib came into play, and there was never any power play between my grandparents.

My mother was a self made, multi- millionaire, before women's lib came into play also.

As far back as i know of, the women in my family were very powerful, and supported the men. They also admired and built up their men, who worked very hard, but were not big bread winners.

They were the epitomy of love and respect, I hope to follow in their footsteps. Although i am not the business woman my grandmothers were, I have a ton of compassion for men, and have also supported the ones in my life.



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Posted on Sun, Mar 19, 2006 07:35

On the other hand, men are simply collectors and providers. Biologically, men cannot spawn the next generation to provide for the continuation of the species. Perhaps because of their larger size and internal insecurities, men have evolved society in this way...

That is not to say all men are this way. Many cherish the opposite gender, and seek intelligent, strong willed partners with whom to pursue their lifelong goals.



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Posted on Sun, Mar 19, 2006 02:04



Today, many women have chosen to stop worrying about power relationships. There realized what was apparent all the time. Power is not granted. Power is taken. My workplace and life have been full of interesting, powerful women who have just decided to use all the tools they have to be who they want to be. Power comes when you stop asking how to get it and just seize it.


Lombard and Goodlife,
You both state valid points about male/female status and relationship that link/interact and conteract.

If we observe the behavioral patterns of the two gender in animal species, it might give us a better insight as to ourselves too.
Most male species are just sperm donors , their function is to propagate and reproduce then move on to do the same leaving the nesting and nurturing to the female species.

Humans as a species might have progressed but not that far. The conflict lies in the fact that the two gender are now fighting for the same power base. Lombard is right in that left to a fair playing field, POWER is not gender related but more personality related. So the more ambitious of us, whether male/female would want to vie for power as the tool to fame, fortune and perceived 'happiness'.

I could only state here from my own observation , coming from a country that gave complete equality (without any obvert battle between the sexes) that lots of women would not choose to climb the career ladder and capture the ultimate corporate power base but prefer to run their homes as their base and wield their power from a more meaningful front , their nest..the female nestling instinct is the forgotten power base with lots of women.

If we view the home(internal base) and corporate world as the external power base, then men and women today should be given that choice to decide where and how each could devote their lives to nurturing , influencing and ultimately creating more meaningful lives not just for themselves but their offsprings and their own community. REspecting that choice is a key to peaceful , harmonious existence for the benefit of all.

This is no different from extending the philosophical concept of the age old 'ying/yang' Chinese way of a balanced life. Upsetting this balance lead only to a chaotic frontier.



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Posted on Sat, Mar 18, 2006 07:20

Lombard write:
Goodlife asks "Are you suggesting that, if we were stripped of our sexual organs, we would cease being human"

I am interested in how you interpreted that from my statement. In fact my statements says the opposite. We become a different human being if we are stripped of our sex organs, which proves what a determant they are and contrevenes Dworken's hypothesis.


I was curious on her "comment/interpretation of your comment" as well.

To be quite honest, my opinion is that the sex organs are the primary reason that we are here. To propagate the species as do all plant and animal life species. I think the rest of it is what makes us specifically human. Seeking of certain creature comforts, pardon the pun, is done by both plants and animals. Much of the rest of what we experience/seek in life is a result of our oversized brains trying to find something to do with the excess "processing power".

As I stated before, I believe that the soul is genderless...



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Posted on Fri, Mar 17, 2006 16:13

Angyson write:
Many of you ladies are not aware of the backlash created by feminists to your relationships. It started with equal pay for equal work, which I support. But why hire a guy when a gorgeous woman has the same qualifications? Suddenly, this is inappropriate behavior or politically incorrect.Inappropriate according to whose standards? Politically incorrect according to which political party?

I love the male chovys of the world,lmao, I would not burn my bra, or save the flies,lol...no barefoot and pregnant here, even though I am a mom of a 22 year old, I like a man to be a man, I'm not a bossy chic who wants to where the pants, and I love make-up and pretty clothing, I believe in god and love my country, total conservative here..I was raised in a loving family without drama, so all the rest is disfunctional to me, just my opinion, not a cut down to anyones beliefs...

  


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Posted on Sat, Mar 11, 2006 02:37

Angyson write:
I recently received a free invitation to attend an all women's fitness club. I called to let them know I was on my way. They called the cops on me. The staff sergeant I spoke to told me he had encountered more cases of men being spousally abused than women over his 25 year career.First they get rid of our all boys clubs; then they create theirs.
Feminism=fascism.End of story.


Right. A six foot, 180 pound man gets the seeds pounded out of him by a 120 pound, 5' 2" woman. Boo hoo hoo.

Yeah, THAT happens!

Spousal "retaliation" and self-defense is more likely.



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Posted on Fri, Mar 10, 2006 05:30

Angyson write:
I recently received a free invitation to attend an all women's fitness club. I called to let them know I was on my way. They called the cops on me. The staff sergeant I spoke to told me he had encountered more cases of men being spousally abused than women over his 25 year career.First they get rid of our all boys clubs; then they create theirs.
Feminism=fascism.End of story.

They are letting women into the Augusta National Golf Club now ???? I missed that headline... :o)

Elitists have always had an over inflated opinion of themselves, regardless of gender. But then again there are those that have little respect for others, and perhaps that is why people seek to be elitists to keep out that riff raf... I guess that is one of the fine lines of the catch22 called life.

I do find it odd that some people want to goto places, not because they really want to go there, but rather because they have been told they can't. Their opinion of themselves (EGO) is so high, that they feel they have that right, and will go to great lengths to prove that their ego is bigger than the people that already exist in the place.

I find that odd because who really wants to hang out with someone like that... LOL



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Posted on Thu, Mar 09, 2006 10:48

Goodlife wrote:


"For heaven's sake the woman was a prolific writer (many books) who answered your questions to the nth degree and THEN some. I just cut-and-pasted her main thesis. Sheesh!"

Than what was the point of it? Quoting something out of context and expecting a light bulb to go off? I don't care how prolific or not she was. I read what you offered and it did not strike me as particularly insightful. So we are expected to take it on your word that she "answered it to the Nth degree and then some"? Because she is THE Andrea Dworkin? Yeah, that's really rigorous discourse.



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Posted on Wed, Mar 08, 2006 16:34

thegoodlife421 write:
This is my favorite Andrea Dworkin quote. Now supposedly, the late Dworkin was one of the most rabid-braburning-feminists to hit academia. But here is her main thesis. Now tell me, can anyone here find fault with it?

"Feminists have a vision of women, even women, as individual human beings; and this vision annihilates the system of gender polarity in which men are superior and powerful. This is not a bourgeois notion of individuality; it is not a self-indulgent notion of individuality; it is the recognition that every human being lives a separate life in a separate body and dies alone. In proposing ?the individuality of each human soul,? feminists propose that women are not their sex; nor their sex plus some other little thing-a liberal additive of personality, for instance; but that each life-including each woman?s life-must be a person?s own, not predetermined before her birth by totalitarian ideas about her nature and her function, not subject to guardianship by some more powerful class, not determined in the aggregate but worked out by herself, for herself. Frankly, no one much knows what feminists mean; the idea of women not defined by sex and reproduction is anathema or baffling. It is the simplest revolutionary idea ever conceived, and the most despised."

-Andrea Dworkin


Interesting. The terms "individual human beings" and soul seem to intermingle there.

I consider that we are each composed of 4 parts: mind, body, spirit and soul. Many would consider spirit and soul to be the same. IMHO, the soul has no gender and is as such free from the bindings that the mind, body, and spirit face being limited by gender and society's pressures to behave in a pre-determined manner...



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Posted on Wed, Mar 08, 2006 11:16

Yeah, I have a problem with it - what particular war is she fighting? She postulates that the idea of women not being defined by gender and reproduction is an anathema and baffling and does not offer any examples of to whom and how.

She stakes out her own windmills and goes against them with gusto only who is she fighting with? Where are the people (men, presumably) who are saying "we want to define you women by your reproductive function"? And it's not good enough to answer here "well, it is implied" or "society does" or some such.



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Posted on Tue, Mar 07, 2006 23:55

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Bonnie, my whole point is that Angyson isn't holding beauty contests for his MALE employees. The men in his company can be ugly as toads because it's their competence that really matters to him.

It's called sexism, Bonnie! If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck . .

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I got your point Goodlife..but my point is when we are given choices , the flip side of that is discrimination. Whatever we choose , by the same token we are also discriminating the other choices that we did not choose.
Angyson may choose beauty and brains for his female staff, but he may have done so because his ugly male staff need the incentive to go to work each morning , and that is for the good of his company.
In any case, what is beauty and what constitutes ugliness is in the eye of the beholder. Perhaps the men he interviewed were all ugly , and it could well be the case as I have found in my days doing interviews in the HR dept, especially true of the legal profession in my country.
I found the female candidates carry themselves better and were by far more impressive and competent than their male counterparts, so could I blame the men for choosing attractive and competent female staff? If Andyson is a female boss would you still accuse him of sexism?



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