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Posted on Mon, Sep 09, 2013 07:24

Try out the Jaguar f type. It's not Ferari fast, but pretty close(0-60 4.2 sec and a 186 governed top speed), handles very well for 3600 lbs and sounds like no car I've ever test drove. Yes, it does look a bit like a Miata, but don't be fooled, with 495 hp this is like no Jaguar I've ever tried. Far lighter than their xkr-s. Handles much better. Jaguar has a hit with this car. Should compete well with the 9-11's, R8, ect... Give it a look.



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Posted on Sat, Sep 21, 2013 02:31

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A Z06 hits 60 in 3.7 seconds, The fastest s type tesla, in 4.2. Torque, immediate hp and video doesn't change that. It's pretty simple math. 3.7 seconds is faster than 4.2. Maybe a standard vette with an automatic is what that video is, but then it is the slowest vette vs the fastest tesla and even that would be very close to 60 and then the slowest of vettes would pass the tesla at about 80 mph.



Like I said, I've never driven a Z06 or Tesla.  Just did the reading and watched a few vids.  I'm a car guy...as in I work on them.  I would kind of root for the Vette as Tesla has a rather large ego.  I understand what you are saying about the math and you are correct.  But what happens between that 0-60?  You are speaking 1/2 second difference.  So we must look at the distance.  Say if both cars were only able to get to 45mph before the next red light.  Where does the Vette catch up ? between 50-60mph?  I'm not arguing with you a Z06 is a fast car.  Just stating what I've read. And yes, it probably was the 5.7L stock Vette which is rather slow in today's world.  And it may be that Tesla had something to do with such vids. or at least a owner or investor.

You just know some Tesla owner is going to change inverter voltage to the motor.  Then the EV performance industry is born. 



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Posted on Fri, Sep 20, 2013 04:38

A Z06 hits 60 in 3.7 seconds, The fastest s type tesla, in 4.2. Torque, immediate hp and video doesn't change that. It's pretty simple math. 3.7 seconds is faster than 4.2. Maybe a standard vette with an automatic is what that video is, but then it is the slowest vette vs the fastest tesla and even that would be very close to 60 and then the slowest of vettes would pass the tesla at about 80 mph.



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Posted on Thu, Sep 19, 2013 03:25

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Hey dak

 

I don't know how your opinion on the tesla was formed, but by their advertisement, their roadster, which they don't make anymore, and is their fastest car ever, topped out at 125mph and hit 60mph in 3.7. That's quick to 60, but not fast at all, and the Z06 is just as quick to sixty, but does 202mph. The Tesla would stay with the vette for about 4 seconds and then get smoked. It's also very light, not heavy. 2776 lbs. All their cars are light. It's all below if you are interested.



 

You can watch the Tesla Model S race red light to red light on the net with a vette.  Like I said, it's that the torque and HP is generated immediately by the motor, where a engine has a curve.  Just imagine if you were pouring water from a cup vs a bottle.  The cup may contain less water but you can pour it quicker, but at some point you'll run out of water and the bottle will keep pouring.

 

 

Personally, I've never seen a Tesla S race a Vette in real life.  Just stating what I've seen on the vids (which could be fake) and also what I've read in the engineering forums when I was thinking of shorting Tesla.  Glad I didn't.  But understanding both electric motors and engines, it does make sense. 

 

Top Speeds on cars are not always accurate.  Many times the car will do much faster, it's just that the manufacture shuts it down at a certain speed via the ECM.   

 



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Posted on Wed, Sep 18, 2013 16:27

Hey dak

 

 

 

I don't know how your opinion on the tesla was formed, but by their advertisement, their roadster, which they don't make anymore, and is their fastest car ever, topped out at 125mph and hit 60mph in 3.7. That's quick to 60, but not fast at all, and the Z06 is just as quick to sixty, but does 202mph. The Tesla would stay with the vette for about 4 seconds and then get smoked. It's also very light, not heavy. 2776 lbs. All their cars are light. It's all below if you are interested.

375 volt AC induction air-cooled electric motor with variable frequency drive.

 
 RoadsterRoadster Sport
Torque273 lb-ft at 0-5,400 rpm295 lb-ft at 0-5,100 rpm
Horsepower302 hp (225 kW) at 5,000-6,000 rpm299 hp (223 kW) at 4,400-6,000 rpm
Max rpm14,000 rpm14,000 rpm
 

Acceleration

 
 RoadsterRoadster Sport
Top Speed201 km/h201 km/h
0 to 97 kph3.9 seconds 


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Posted on Sat, Sep 14, 2013 10:56

Quoting SpeedDallas:

The 2012 Tesla Model S Performance model has a 416 hp (310 kW) and 443 ft·lb (600 .... 0-60 mph (0–97 km/h), 5.9 sec, 5.4 sec, 4.2 sec. Top speed, 120 mph

 

 

That's not near vette fast. Or my Jag f tyoe fast, or really particularly fast at all.  Those numbrers are according to tesla who have been known to use best case. They stopped making the better looking, faster, roadster years ago.


Hi Speed,

 


The reason why the Tesla can take a Vette or Jag is due to the torque curve.  A Tesla can produce all it's torque from the start, while a engine car has a   HP and Torque curve which rises with RPMs.  I totally agree Tesla blows their numbers up to best case.  We both know their stock is over-valued.  But the torque is what gives the Tesla a faster acceleration.  Ultimately the Vette or Jag will probably catch up, (time and distance taken into consideration) but they will be slower from the start and the Tesla will pull away. 

 

You know, I really want Tesla to succeed, but I hate arrogance bordering on lies.  That is what I'm seeing from Elon, Shareholders, and the press.  A Tesla is a nice car, the engineers did a great job to say the least, but it's not without it's problems.  Being a guy that knows a little about mechanical engineering, I see the flaws.  The car is extremely heavy due to the batteries.  The charge mileage will drop with negative environmental conditions, (so tell buyers) and battery life will degrade over time.  And the initial vehicle cost is definitely high, and battery replacement very costly (after warranty expiration).



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Posted on Fri, Sep 13, 2013 15:35

The 2012 Tesla Model S Performance model has a 416 hp (310 kW) and 443 ft·lb (600 .... 0-60 mph (0–97 km/h), 5.9 sec, 5.4 sec, 4.2 sec. Top speed, 120 mph

 

 

That's not near vette fast. Or my Jag f tyoe fast, or really particularly fast at all.  Those numbrers are according to tesla who have been known to use best case. They stopped making the better looking, faster, roadster years ago.



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Posted on Fri, Sep 13, 2013 10:22

 

 


Saleen S7

 

Factory Five GTM

 

Ford GT40

 

Jags have always been beautiful cars, but mechanically they are crap (as in engine and transmission).   But they do have awesome style and beauty.

 

The Tesla is super fast and will take a Vette no problem due to it's immediate torque.  The car is nice, but I'm so sick of the hype coming from Elon, the media and shareholders.  The car cost close to 100K and the battery pack is a huge number of Panasonic 18650 batteries in series.  Super heavy and costly.  Mileage claimed by the company is under perfect conditions. i.e. flat road, 70 degree ambient temp, no headwind, etc.  Under perfect conditions my Jetta TDI will get well over 50mpg. and I paid $3,300 needing repair.  I purchase all the parts, did the work myself (adding a few performance mods) now I have $6,500 in it.  So the difference between what my car cost and a Tesla would buy a huge amount of diesel.  And if a part goes bad, it's a lot cheaper to fix.  And I don't have to call a Tesla ranger out.  It's just common sense.  I don't hate Tesla, I actually think they've done a great job, but don't BS to blow up the share price.  And don't act as if Elon is some kind of Genius.  He's a smart guy but I'm not so sure his ego isn't larger than his brain.  Time will prove me correct, wait and see (as in share price).



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Posted on Wed, Sep 11, 2013 03:01

I've had a Z06 so I'm with you on the value of that car and it's brute force and handling for the dollar. Don't like the new one coming out though. Looks like a caddy from behind. The Jag handles nearly as well and very close in speed and quicknesss. Before the c6 I'd never own a vette. Good car, great value, but it is not the Jag.



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Posted on Wed, Sep 11, 2013 00:02

I'd buy a Tesla, model S.  0-100 in 4.4s, top speed 200 km/hr (I've driven at 170km/hr, I don't need to go any faster than this), 416hp.  Not bad for a little electric car.  Looks a bit cramped though in the photo below... 

 

Sounds like you two might be a fan of the shop Top Gear (UK)?  I have to say I had the burning urge to drive the Bugatti after they raced it against a euro fighter *laughs*. 

 

 

 

 

 

 


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Posted on Tue, Sep 10, 2013 12:48

Being born and raised in the Motor City. I wouldn't even consider a Jag,BMW etc.. I'm an old time Detroit Muscle head..LOL There's hardly a better bang for any buck than a good American made Corvette,,Now that being said, the Euro's do make some nice looking stuff.



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