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Posted on Tue, Aug 20, 2013 10:50

Voices of dissent have called me on the carpet about my thoughts on dangerous, dangerous fracking.  Naturally this causes me to drink the wine of astonishment.  

 

The first sip of this wine is that I don't have any involvement in fracking to start with.  Well, you might argue, I have received "national attention" on my views on the Permian basin.  True.  Several people from all over read that blog.  

 

Earthlings, it's not all bad!  Our nation desperately needs oil and natural gas.  It's a survival issue.  And we need to have our own, not a supply coming from potential or actual enemies.  "Arsenic in the water!!" is cried.  "No groceries in the grocery store!" I counter.  There is already arsenic in the water!  How much more did fracking add, if any?  A molecule?  We have wheels that absolutely must spin. Windmills aren't going to make that happen.  

 

But read and weep.  I control no aspect of fracking.  OK, a billionth of the Chevron corporation maybe.  



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Posted on Fri, Sep 06, 2013 22:29

Dak,

Thank you for your comprehensive responses.  I have been unable to formulate a response because I am deep in the woes of building a new deck (old one rotten) in 100+degree daily heat, next week putting in 3 new exterior doors and then traveling to see my parents in Florida.  My father continues to battle Alzheimer's and chronic infections/fevers.  My 89 yr old mother continues to insist on caring for him at home.  *sigh*

 

Never the less, I just wanted to make one comment:  From where does a private company get the authority and power to regulate mega corporations....many mega corporations?  And from whom do they make their profits from?  You say you don't trust the government to properly enforce regulations, but you would trust a private company?  And who provides the oversight of the private company to see that they are doing their job?  The Congress...Government? I would think adding another middle man into a process typically creates more cost and even less efficiency/efficacy.



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Posted on Tue, Sep 03, 2013 22:48

"Fracking is a fine technology as long as done responsibly." 

 

Right!  I'm in total agreement.  But that's the kicker with most things big corporations do.  Who's gonna make them do it responsibly????  Do you think the honor system works when more profits are at stake?

 

 


 



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Posted on Tue, Sep 03, 2013 22:27

Dak,  do you have a RO system?  Does anyone have one?  I ask because I would really like to have one to produce my kitchen and shower water, but just don't know how good/efficient/reliable the commercial ones sold at the box stores.  Expensive maintenence is also a concern.

 

While I don't know about these smaller home units....I know a lot about medical grade water treatment systems.  The machine and RO filters we use are really expensive and easily fouled.  In order to treat our water we preprocess the water multiple times before the RO even sees it:

1. Sediment filter/cartridge and then a tank to remove dirt and debris

2. Carbon filter to remove the chlorine and chloramine

3. Softener to remove Calcium and other hard minerals that will scale/damage the RO filters.

4. Finally the RO filters.  Our machines typically employ 4 filters producing approx 92-96% product water.  Once product falls below 92% the filters have to be changed.  For medical grade water we also employ post RO ultra filters which are changed weekly; probably not necessary for home use.

5. A holding tank and pressure pump.

 

The Water Treatment System must be disinfected weekly because it will grow algae and other bateria since the chlorine has been removed.  Nightly the softener, carbon tank and RO filters need to be back flushed, resulting in high water useage.  Monthly the RO filters are de-scaled with a vinegar/acid solution.



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Posted on Sun, Sep 01, 2013 10:17

Quoting wwww12345:

Fracking has greatly increased the supply of natural gas, the best fuel we can use..  Go Go

Oil companies don't have that great of a return on investment..  The taxes on gasoline greatly exceed the profits per gallon.

 



Hi, I feel that natural gas would be a good way to go for us for fuel.  I understand that right now we're just not set up to run things on natural gas.  That is starting to change.



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Posted on Sun, Sep 01, 2013 05:26

I don't think it is a good idea. It is going to destroy the environment. There is a good chance that our water supplies could be contaminated not to mention the earthquakes. In terms of prices of fuel coming down that is not likely to happen. The people who will benefit from this are the fat cats at the top. I thought we were meant to be going Green. We should just build more wind farms right next to Donald Trumps golf course. hehehe  I'm sure he wouldn't mind!

 

 

 

Sarah ;-)



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Posted on Sat, Aug 31, 2013 20:37

Fracking has greatly increased the supply of natural gas, the best fuel we can use..  Go Go

Oil companies don't have that great of a return on investment..  The taxes on gasoline greatly exceed the profits per gallon.

 



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Posted on Fri, Aug 30, 2013 15:48

Yes basicly what i was thinking. Yes there are side effects. With resurch sites can be picked wich have positive outcomes with few negative issues if any. Possibly it could help midagate situations that might be caused from natural disasters later on. Then again who knows what all an earthquake will stir up just thinking it would be nice to have pulled away some of the things that coud of caused a disaster to be worse if done right it is actuly toxic clean up and recycleing to safe products nothing wrong with that



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Posted on Fri, Aug 30, 2013 07:14

Hi Eric, 

I feel that fracking, and domestic oil and gas production does have an environmental impact, but there are lessers of evils.  The benefits outweigh the cost.  

Cost:  Negative impact on environment.  

Benefit:  Less impact than coal.  

Benefit:  Not being reliant on foreign powers for oil. 

Benefit:  More jobs. 

Benefit:  Better economy.  

Benefit:  Less impact than nuclear in the event of a meltdown. 

Benefit:  Lower cost.  

It reminds me of a letter to the editor I once read about increasing the 55 mph speed limit.  They asked, "Do we really want to trade lives for speed?"  Obviously we do, otherwise we would be walking. 

So, it's a matter of degree.  How negative is the impact on the environment?  Are we going from pristine to catastrophic?  No.  The alternative sources are not feasible from the standpoint of current technology or cost.  The other options, I feel, are even more detrimental.  

Some have bemoaned how lucrative oil is, being more profitable than any industry in history.  First, I am curious to see the actual numbers documenting that.  But second, why is profit bad?  



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Posted on Thu, Aug 29, 2013 19:55

hmm seems it's more small gasses than larger heaver compounds but tis a moot point as the studies were show the effects at a 1 km range  they gota get alot of ok's to drill in the first place as well as depth considerations granted you might not want them drilling in the middle of the lake or with in 1km of it but there are things set up to prevent that and there are lots of dry untaped areas or wells that need reopened and fracked  out in the midle of no where or perhapse in town where the sourse of drinking water was far away unlike what happened with the methaine in under the dome but aye natural disasters and quakes will let the genie out of the bottle too so it's better to uncork it in a safe place then let it happen at random with out venting a good portion of the problems they worry about  and bottleing them up safely for later use

we are not england we still got places with 1 or less person per square mile

 

and for that matter we do have our water treated even before it reaches us granted we tend to like to filter and clean the water the goverment considers to be safe  so yea pretty moot point good filtration or distillation both are ok tough you might need to add some things to the distilled water if it's for drinking

also if they haden't gone after the oil we'd be dealing with a bunch of areas covered in black gunk where oil seeps out of the ground it still does in sertaint areas but thats more a sign of gass these days my real thought is why do bizznesses keep cutting their throats leagaly trying to bankrupt the other guy with rules and regulations that they paid sheep to vote on  they need to peel back the red tape or stop shooting themselves in the foot till there is nothing anyone can do and we all have to pay the price for their greed



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Posted on Thu, Aug 22, 2013 22:19

Thanks Francis.  I've been awakened!



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Posted on Thu, Aug 22, 2013 19:09

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