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Posted on Mon, Aug 12, 2013 08:06

"A Tennessee judge has ordered a baby's first name changed from "Messiah" to Martin, saying that the only true messiah is Jesus Christ, a ruling the boy's mother promises to appeal, a Tennessee television station has reported.

The parents of Messiah DeShawn Martin went before Tennessee Child Support Magistrate Lu Ann Ballew because they could not agree on the 7-month-old's last name.

Ballew instead last week ordered the baby's name changed to Martin DeShawn McCullough, the Tennessee television station WBIR reported.

"The word 'messiah' is a title, and it's a title that has only been earned by one person, and that one person is Jesus Christ," Ballew told WBIR.

Ballew, who could not be reached for comment on Sunday, said the child would likely struggle with his given first name because he lives in Cocke County, a predominantly Christian area in eastern Tennessee.

"It could put him at odds with a lot of people and, at this point, he has had no choice in what his name is," Ballew said.

Jaleesa Martin, the baby's mother, told WBIR she would appeal the judge's order.

"I didn't think a judge could change my baby's name because of her religious beliefs," Martin said.

Christianity refers to Jesus as the Messiah, while Judaism uses the term to mean an anticipated saviour of the Jews. Dictionary definitions say the word can mean one who is seen as, expected or professes to be a saviour or liberator.

Messiah was the 387th most popular name for boys born in the United States in 2012, based on applications for Social Security cards filed with the U.S. Social Security Administration.

In all, there were 762 applications for boys named Messiah in 2012, up from 368 applications in 2011, the Social Security Administration said.

(Reporting by Jonathan Kaminsky; Editing by David Bailey and Stacey Joyce)"

Courtesy of Reuters

She didn't call him Jesus Christ! But what are your opinions on unusual baby names and which are the most unusual ones you've heard?

 

Liv.



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Posted on Sun, Sep 08, 2013 10:57

Hi Liv,

  I'm kinda thinking that I might have Very unintentionally offended you by my not knowing the Very serious dress code at the Royal Ascot for its 302 years that you folks have been having it. Nor did I understand just how special it is to your nation as a whole in my crude attempt at light humor. For that I would like to apologize to you.

 

  With the help of WiKi [got to love them folks] I feel a Morning Mist suit would look better than a black one on me,though I'm unsure of the color of top hat to look good.I would like to Thank You for being elegant in that you didn't tell me where to wear the 3 pointed hat and just how much of the feather should be sticking out.

 

  I hope I see you in the blogs again



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Posted on Fri, Sep 06, 2013 05:57

Quoting fishyme:

Talk about a fish out of water,and you can't even hunt those grass eaters! Me thinks I'd look pretty cool in one of those 3 pointed hats with a feather that your maritime folks wear.



We had a huge supermarkets scandal sometime ago - apparently many supermarkets were found to be selling horse meat as beef!!!! Don't ask where the horse meat came from, I can only guess!

 

As for the hats, yeah, me thinks you'll look gorgeous! I could find a nice one and photoshop it unto one of your fishing photos if I had the time and talent for photoshopping, LOL!!

 

Take care of you, Fishy!

 

Liv.



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Posted on Tue, Sep 03, 2013 17:30

Quoting Livnlov:

I hear you on all front and I agree with you, Fishy.

 

Oh BTW, if you get too mouthy about our precious Royal Ascot, I will drag you down there kicking and screaming; and me thinks you'll look lovely on one them hats! The male hat, I mean! LOLOL!!!

 

Liv.



Talk about a fish out of water,and you can't even hunt those grass eaters! Me thinks I'd look pretty cool in one of those 3 pointed hats with a feather that your maritime folks wear.


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Posted on Sat, Aug 31, 2013 07:11

Quoting fishyme:

Hi ya Liv, You and Di have got to wear your silly hats at that funny looking moose race you have over there before you come fishing. Don't worry though, the way I'm going about it there will still be plenty left,lol.

I'm with you on the religion and politics thing. Millions have be murdered because they didn't believe in God somebody eles's way. We had a wife drive over her husband because Obama was re-elected and it was his fault because he didn't get out and vote! LMAO

 

In this day and age, what we older folk would think are weirdo names, the youth think are perfectly normal. I'ma just going to keep doing my own little thing I'ma thinking.


I hear you on all front and I agree with you, Fishy.

 

Oh BTW, if you get too mouthy about our precious Royal Ascot, I will drag you down there kicking and screaming; and me thinks you'll look lovely on one them hats! The male hat, I mean! LOLOL!!!

 

Liv.



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Posted on Fri, Aug 30, 2013 21:13

Quoting Livnlov:

Hi Fishy!

 

Good to hear from ya! I hope you are enjoying the fishing season! I should've been fishing with ya now with my boys, right? LOL.

 

I am a Christian and I believe in God. I believe because I have reason to believe and it is a personal decision. But, I never force my beliefs on others. I live a simple 'live and let live' kinda life. If I must be honest, I cannot stand religious folks! I don't know if it's a good or bad thing, but it just so happens that most of my friends whom I can trust with my life happen to either be Atheists or non-Christians or of other religious persuasions, whilst my Christian friends just happen to be the most flaky, unreliable and selfish sets of people I have ever met. Just my experience - not meaning to generalise. I am not perfect, but daily I make a conscious decision [and I strive] to live as Christ would have me live. And to me, Christ is love and not hate.

 

Having said the foregoing, whether the US excludes God or include Him in things, what baffles me is how people are quick to blame that same God who has been excluded when bad things happen! When bad things happen, people shouldn't blame God! We simply can't excuse God from our lives and then expect Him to be responsible for us - and when He isn't, we blame Him. I find that grossly hypocritical.

 

However, Religion and Politics are two topics I usually stay away from discussing because of the polarity, sensitivities and offence people take with it on either side of the spectrum.

 

As for the judge and the mother - I think they are both nuts! The judge could have found a law to rely on (which in my opinion she failed to) or in the absence of that allow the crazy mother to carry on in ruining her son's childhood and life. The name is ridiculous, but it is not by far the worst that there are - that is just my opinion. I'm sure if she was a celebrity, this won't even go to Court!

 

It is the Mother's legal right to name her child as she wishes, but she is surely going to make that poor boy's life a living hell if she succeeds in her bid to name him Messiah. Though it is far-fetched, she could always just go for the shortened form - Mezz or Mezzy! Even these are a little  eh...messy? LOL!

 

Liv.



Hi ya Liv, You and Di have got to wear your silly hats at that funny looking moose race you have over there before you come fishing. Don't worry though, the way I'm going about it there will still be plenty left,lol.

I'm with you on the religion and politics thing. Millions have be murdered because they didn't believe in God somebody eles's way. We had a wife drive over her husband because Obama was re-elected and it was his fault because he didn't get out and vote! LMAO

 

In this day and age, what we older folk would think are weirdo names, the youth think are perfectly normal. I'ma just going to keep doing my own little thing I'ma thinking.


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Posted on Fri, Aug 30, 2013 20:56

Quoting Diana3316:

Couldn't agree with you more Fishy!!  In fact, before the Supreme Court.....it was the Founding Fathers that decided to leave God out of our government and our laws.


Everybody's got their own thing that they believe in for their own reasons but it gets right down to the bare fact that it is the individual HUMAN and nothing else that makes things go good or bad. I think that Buda guy has it going. Just sit there smilling and people are happy to pet your belly.


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Posted on Thu, Aug 29, 2013 17:51

Quoting Curious2078:

ROFLMAO

 

But, Don--stop giving these crazy ideas!  No doubt someone will now decide Beelzebub is a great name to give a kid. 

 

Oy Vay!!!!!


PAT - Please don't stop DON! If only you know how much I loved that idea!! Seriously!! ROFL!!! Pat, tell me the truth, didn't you like my name idea of Jezebel? Jezzy for short? Awww.....how gorgeous is that? Anymore swanky name ideas? Keep them coming please! LOLOL!!!

 

Oh, I wish Hoping wasn't so far away somewhere on a boat - I'm sure she will have some fab name ideas, LOL!

 

DON - Keep 'em coming, please!

 

Liv.



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Posted on Thu, Aug 29, 2013 17:09

Quoting DONTFITMOLD:

At least she didn't name him

Be·el·ze·bub



ROFLMAO

 

But, Don--stop giving these crazy ideas!  No doubt someone will now decide Beelzebub is a great name to give a kid. 

 

Oy Vay!!!!!



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Posted on Sun, Aug 25, 2013 21:52

Quoting Diana3316:

Liv~

What is shocking and disappointing to me, is that this judge thought it important to try to protect the child from future unkind and aggressive behavior.  In doing so, she basically gave the message that child bullying was not only reality….but acceptable.  It was the Messiah baby’s fault for having such a name, resulting in being bullied by others.

 

Kids bully for many reasons.  Some bully because they feel insecure.  Picking on someone else may provide a feeling of being important, popular or in control.  Some kids who bully are copying behavior that they have learned at home or they simply don’t know that it’s unacceptable to pick on other kids who are different because of size, looks, race, religion….or even something so benign as what their mother named them. 

 

Seems like a missed opportunity for teaching societal tolerance.  Like you said, it's not the strangest name ever heard of.  The problem is not the child's name, it's the deficient social skills of his peers.



Diana - I doubt that the judge restricted those potential future perpetrators to just kids, but to adults and to religious [freaks] people who might be so inclined to bully the child, young adult or adult. And I don't think she was only thinking about his childhood, but his adulthood as well. I think it is a balancing act that was required. Like I said before I am not aware of any law upon which she could rely to pass that judgement and I do not see her referring to any law, but just to convention and what the child might be subjected to later in life (which to all intent and purposes are true, but are the premise of the persons with parental responsibility to decide; and if these people are idiotic enough to subject their baby to such treatment in the future, it is their call) afterall people can choose to kill their unborn children - it is legal and it is called abortion so why can't a woman who is high on drugs name her child 'Gamja' or 'Kaya' [pet names for cannabis] or one who is high on Jesus or not to name her son Messiah! It's all so silly to me, really.

 

What is however sad is no matter what the judge says, it will have zero bearing on bullying - people are people and bullies are bullies - sad, but true.

 

Bullying is wrong - plain and simple. But sadly, that fact has never stopped bullies. From when I was a very young child till this day, I stand up for victims or anyone who is being picked on by someone else for whatever reason, particularly if it appears that that person is unable to adequately defend themselves. Luckily, I was not bullied as a child, but I took on bullies all the time as a child.

 

It is true that it should not be seen as something that is acceptable or even inevitable because it isn't. The sad truth is [in the UK] enough isn't being done about bullying by people in positions of trust and authority such as teachers and school personnel. But when the victim fights back, they pounce on the victim immediately in such a heavy handed way, that it would surprise you that they have such a bite, yet it was non-existent when the bullying was going on! It is sickening. When the bullies are at it, they lose their bite and their power to clamp down, but when the victim fight back they come down on the victim so hard, it is unbelievable! I believe that children and people who bully for whatever reasons they choose to bully know exactly what they are doing. They know it is wrong, but they do not care! When my older son was 5 years old he was being bullied by one child in his class. My son was terrified of this child and no matter how I tried to empower him, it failed. Fear robbed him of his ability to stand up for himself, protect himself or to fight back. He sustained injuries on a regular basis whilst the class teachers looked on and despite my complaints, they failed to arrest the situation. By the time my son had sustained the 3rd set of injuries for which he had to be signed off sick from school with a broken knee, suffices to say, I made my presence in the school known and made sure the school understood they will need damn good lawyers and for over a very long period of time! That was the end of the bullying as they were aware that kid was a problem child, had told the mother who was in denial but when I finished with them, notly did they draft a 3rd teacher to the class, they ensured the mother began attending classes with her uncontrollable son! All in all, a good outcome but I just wonder why it takes fire and brimestone for people to do the right thing! Teenagers take their lives regularly due to bullying, yet people who should know better and do a better job somehow still have a laid back, arm chair approach to tackling bullying.

 

So I see your point about how you view the judge's comment with regards to how it may appear to accept bullying, not that I necessarily agree that that was what she may have meant to imply, but the truth of the matter is people will be people! And they won't stop bullying, but it must be said and demonstrated that it is not acceptable behaviour and it should never be ignored or encouraged. So I am with you there.

 

Liv.



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Posted on Sun, Aug 25, 2013 11:07

Liv~

What is shocking and disappointing to me, is that this judge thought it important to try to protect the child from future unkind and aggressive behavior.  In doing so, she basically gave the message that child bullying was not only reality….but acceptable.  It was the Messiah baby’s fault for having such a name, resulting in being bullied by others.

 

Kids bully for many reasons.  Some bully because they feel insecure.  Picking on someone else may provide a feeling of being important, popular or in control.  Some kids who bully are copying behavior that they have learned at home or they simply don’t know that it’s unacceptable to pick on other kids who are different because of size, looks, race, religion….or even something so benign as what their mother named them. 

 

Seems like a missed opportunity for teaching societal tolerance.  Like you said, it's not the strangest name ever heard of.  The problem is not the child's name, it's the deficient social skills of his peers.



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Posted on Sat, Aug 24, 2013 07:47

Quoting Curious2078:

ROFLMAO.  If they name him "Sue," let's hope he's 6'4" tall and as imposing looking as Johnny Cash was.  That should save him from torment--at least after he reaches 15 or 16 years old.



PAT - I agree...LOLOL!!!

 

Liv.



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Posted on Fri, Aug 23, 2013 18:54

Quoting Dakota35:

Just name him "Sue"  (Jonny Cash) :)



ROFLMAO.  If they name him "Sue," let's hope he's 6'4" tall and as imposing looking as Johnny Cash was.  That should save him from torment--at least after he reaches 15 or 16 years old.



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Posted on Tue, Aug 20, 2013 10:51

Quoting Diana3316:

Liv,

Interestingly, if there were already 1000+ applications made for the same name in the last two years....doesn't that serve as a precedent?  What does the judge propose?  Round up all those previously named babies and make the parents change their baby's name too?

 

How weird.  Obviously rational thinking skills does not seem to be in this judge's repertoire.  She needs to be disbarred for incompetence and inappropriate application of the law.  Not only that, she's too stupid to even realize that it's not true that there is only one person with the title of the Messiah.  Multiple religions and especially Jewish have had a wide variety of individuals/characters with the title of Messiah. 

 

Whatever.....get rid of her before she seriously injures someone!


Diana - Ha ha ha....I don't think the judge will injure anyone. I think this baby is more at risk of a childhood of serious emotional injury if his mother succeeds. Someone should talk some sense into his mother. And someone should send the judge in for some on-the-job retraining. Her reasons for refusing the name is pathetic, LOL! And I still do not know how this even became a court case!

 

Anyways, I think the mother should come to her senses as she's not doing her son any favours and I really don't know what her plan B would be in a few years when people/kids start to take a meeky out of her son! Why really does she have to use that name? Couldn't she find a regular name with the same meaning such as Josh? Or Joshua etc? But like I said before she is fully entitled to name her son as she deems fit even if it means the name will cause the child serious embarrassment or make him a target of ridicule or abuse.

 

These two women should both come to their senses!

 

As for rounding up the parents of those 1000 previously named babies, I say yes it is a good idea - but I would like her to employ me in rounding them up. I charge a flat fee of $100 per parent successfully rounded up, LOL! Assuming most of those babies still had 2 parents each, that should fetch me an easy $200,000. Then I could whisper in the judge's ears that it would be a good idea to also round up the grandparents on both sides of the family as they were also culpable in the actions of their children in naming their grandchildren as such and that afterall, neither did they do anything to stop such a vile practice nor report it retrospectively...yeah, yeah, yeah....that should probably fetch an additional $100,000 or $200,000. Job done, next?

 

I was amazed when I read somewhere, a conspiracy theorist had taken the time to write this:

 

B - Born
L - Living
U - Under
E - Evil


I - Illuminati's

V - Very
Y - Young


all in a bit to prove that Beyonce and Jay Z were both Illuminatis and their baby was dedicated to Illuminati and so named accordingly. I realy wouldn't want to imagine what this lil Messiah would be put through. Any reasonable parent will be circumspect in their choices. After all we want the best for our children, presumably? 


Liv.



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Posted on Tue, Aug 20, 2013 10:41

Quoting RealtorLulu:

My two and a half cents.

I agree that naming your child Messiah may be a bit irresponsible but the judge seems to have gone with her personal preferences instead of the law. If the law stated that names must be as common as Martin, Robert or John, then would actor Judge Reinhold have to change his name? Or football player Lawyer Malloy? What about all those in the entertainment industry who have named their little ones after fruit and other things, such as Gwyneth Paltrow who named her daughter Apple, Beyonce's baby named Blue Ivy or the new Kardashian baby named North. 

 I feel that when naming a baby, one should consider what the future will be like for him/her. What the child will face growing up and what it will do to his/her self esteem.  I use the name of former Presidents Bill Clinton and John Kennedy as examples; William Jefferson Clinton, John Fitzgerald Kennedy.

I know someone who named her second son Benji. Not Benjamin but Benji Christopher (first and middle). Needles to say, as a man, he goes by Chris. There’s a reason for this. He doesn’t like his first name and remembers going through his childhood being made fun of because he had a dog’s name. I remember trying to make him feel better about this. Of course, nothing I said could change the situation.

Children can be very cruel without knowing the damage they can bring, so as parents, it is up to us to help lessen the pain.

That’s my contribution guys. Hugs!


Lulu - I agree. Children can be absolutely cruel, LOL. I do feel for this poor boy if his mother succeeds. At the same time, the judge really shouldn't stop the mother because I don't believe there is any legal premise to her argument.

 

 

 

Benji - woof woof.....kids can be so mean, LOL!

 

 

 

Thanks a lot for sharing.

 

 

 

Liv.



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Posted on Tue, Aug 20, 2013 10:27

Quoting fishyme:

Hi ya Liv, I'm not a christian guy at all but our U.S. Supreme Court ruled to take God out of things a few years back. Thats great for a guy like me,why should I be ruled by something that I don't believe in? IMHO,the judge abused her entrusted power to force her beliefs where they don't belong,The Rule of Law.


Hi Fishy!

 

Good to hear from ya! I hope you are enjoying the fishing season! I should've been fishing with ya now with my boys, right? LOL.

 

I am a Christian and I believe in God. I believe because I have reason to believe and it is a personal decision. But, I never force my beliefs on others. I live a simple 'live and let live' kinda life. If I must be honest, I cannot stand religious folks! I don't know if it's a good or bad thing, but it just so happens that most of my friends whom I can trust with my life happen to either be Atheists or non-Christians or of other religious persuasions, whilst my Christian friends just happen to be the most flaky, unreliable and selfish sets of people I have ever met. Just my experience - not meaning to generalise. I am not perfect, but daily I make a conscious decision [and I strive] to live as Christ would have me live. And to me, Christ is love and not hate.

 

Having said the foregoing, whether the US excludes God or include Him in things, what baffles me is how people are quick to blame that same God who has been excluded when bad things happen! When bad things happen, people shouldn't blame God! We simply can't excuse God from our lives and then expect Him to be responsible for us - and when He isn't, we blame Him. I find that grossly hypocritical.

 

However, Religion and Politics are two topics I usually stay away from discussing because of the polarity, sensitivities and offence people take with it on either side of the spectrum.

 

As for the judge and the mother - I think they are both nuts! The judge could have found a law to rely on (which in my opinion she failed to) or in the absence of that allow the crazy mother to carry on in ruining her son's childhood and life. The name is ridiculous, but it is not by far the worst that there are - that is just my opinion. I'm sure if she was a celebrity, this won't even go to Court!

 

It is the Mother's legal right to name her child as she wishes, but she is surely going to make that poor boy's life a living hell if she succeeds in her bid to name him Messiah. Though it is far-fetched, she could always just go for the shortened form - Mezz or Mezzy! Even these are a little  eh...messy? LOL!

 

Liv.



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Posted on Mon, Aug 19, 2013 21:25

Liv,

Interestingly, if there were already 1000+ applications made for the same name in the last two years....doesn't that serve as a precedent?  What does the judge propose?  Round up all those previously named babies and make the parents change their baby's name too?

 

How weird.  Obviously rational thinking skills does not seem to be in this judge's repertoire.  She needs to be disbarred for incompetence and inappropriate application of the law.  Not only that, she's too stupid to even realize that it's not true that there is only one person with the title of the Messiah.  Multiple religions and especially Jewish have had a wide variety of individuals/characters with the title of Messiah. 

 

Whatever.....get rid of her before she seriously injures someone!



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Posted on Mon, Aug 19, 2013 15:00

Quoting fishyme:

Hi ya Liv, I'm not a christian guy at all but our U.S. Supreme Court ruled to take God out of things a few years back. Thats great for a guy like me,why should I be ruled by something that I don't believe in? IMHO,the judge abused her entrusted power to force her beliefs where they don't belong,The Rule of Law.


Couldn't agree with you more Fishy!!  In fact, before the Supreme Court.....it was the Founding Fathers that decided to leave God out of our government and our laws.


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Posted on Sat, Aug 17, 2013 06:47

My two and a half cents.

I agree that naming your child Messiah may be a bit irresponsible but the judge seems to have gone with her personal preferences instead of the law. If the law stated that names must be as common as Martin, Robert or John, then would actor Judge Reinhold have to change his name? Or football player Lawyer Malloy? What about all those in the entertainment industry who have named their little ones after fruit and other things, such as Gwyneth Paltrow who named her daughter Apple, Beyonce's baby named Blue Ivy or the new Kardashian baby named North. 

 I feel that when naming a baby, one should consider what the future will be like for him/her. What the child will face growing up and what it will do to his/her self esteem.  I use the name of former Presidents Bill Clinton and John Kennedy as examples; William Jefferson Clinton, John Fitzgerald Kennedy.

I know someone who named her second son Benji. Not Benjamin but Benji Christopher (first and middle). Needles to say, as a man, he goes by Chris. There’s a reason for this. He doesn’t like his first name and remembers going through his childhood being made fun of because he had a dog’s name. I remember trying to make him feel better about this. Of course, nothing I said could change the situation.

Children can be very cruel without knowing the damage they can bring, so as parents, it is up to us to help lessen the pain.

That’s my contribution guys. Hugs!



Lulu in Dallas

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Posted on Fri, Aug 16, 2013 18:09

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I agree Pat - Funny thing is the mother is appealing. That appeal hearing will be interesting to say the least. The trial judge did try to explain that it would make the child's life hell particularly in his local community that is predominantly Christian. Why can't the mother just come to her senses and pick a regular name? I guess this is her 15 minutes of fame at the expense of an innocent child! I don't much like the Judge's suggestion of Martin (one of the numerous names the Mother presented) either because of the meaning of the name. I guess it's going to swing one way or the other as this is a rather grey area of the law subject to interpretation as the courts deem fit. I do not think the matter of name or right to name your child is specifically covered under the Parental Responsibility law or the Children's Act. I guess the appeal judges will decided based on what they feel is a sensible way to proceed. But if they do not want this fiasco to continue they could just refuse her permission to appeal hearing (which preceeds and determines if there will be an appeal hearing at all) because I would imagine that the trial judge would have denied her permission to appeal application which is normally given orally just after the judgement has been pronounced.

 

In Germany, it is illegal to name your child Adolf Hitler or Hitler. but Adolf is acceptable. That is written into law and pretty much black and white, but Messiah isn't, LOL...so it's gonna be a judgement call mostly unless there is some obscure US law that I am not aware of.

 

Liv.



Hi ya Liv, I'm not a christian guy at all but our U.S. Supreme Court ruled to take God out of things a few years back. Thats great for a guy like me,why should I be ruled by something that I don't believe in? IMHO,the judge abused her entrusted power to force her beliefs where they don't belong,The Rule of Law.


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