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Posted on Sat, Jul 13, 2013 19:05

ZIMMERMAN FOUND NOT GUILTY!!!

 

Hope there are no riots...

 

And regardless anyone's views, I hope no one seeks retaliation on ZIMMERMAN.. Our Justice system remains very flawed; but, it is one we must abide by.

 

May Trayvon's parent's find PEACE, regardless of any truths that may or may not be reflected in this verdict...



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Posted on Tue, Jul 23, 2013 08:21

Quoting Dakota35:

 

Though I'd put up this link since it pertains to the subject matter.  I have nothing to do with this story just passing it along. So don't go responding as I will not reply.  http://gma.yahoo.com/​george-zimmerman-emerged-hiding-truck-crash-​rescue-163123990--abc-news-topstories.html  I find reading the comments at the end of such article interesting...though some are out of line.


Hey Hey, DAKOTA---

 

I heard about this... I have no doubt GZ is a "man of action." "Action people" can be a great thing for society. I just feel he is too aggressive a "man of action." Leads to poor decisions. It is a bit coincidental it happened close to the same place, etc... But, I have seen stranger things happen. 

 

If I were his "career coach," I'd tell him to provide service to the community by becoming a firefighter. His level of frustration w/ criminals, and/or others, hinder his ability to make good choices. Fire-fighting takes the brunt of that element away while he can still get his adrenalyne pumping and help the community. I pray he never gets a badge though. Frustrated and/or angry people with a gun make a deadly combination. 

 

BTW- I saw Trays parents on Dr. Phil yesterday. His father cried while recounting a time he had burned himself in the kitchen and his son came and drug him out. He said he felt badly that his son saved his lie, but he wasn't there to save his son's. Very sad. I cannot imagine how the parents feel and how they will process this tragedy. My heart hurts for all involved. Now I understand the wife of GZ may be up on charges.  NO ONE involved here will ever be the same. 

 

Dr. Phil had BOTH sides of the argument on. They heard from a juror and the juror said the entire case was too confusing. DR. Phil works with courtrooms and said he sees this time and again. Jury's get conflicted with charges and what they can charge; all the legal jargon getting in the way. Casey Anthony and OJ both skated, so it isn't like we haven't seen guilty freed; but the prosecution must do their job to the full extent, esp where murder is involved. The difference is, when OJ was acquitted, the black community sang praises for a murderer. When Casey Anthony was freed, whites wanted to lynch her.  



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Posted on Mon, Jul 22, 2013 21:10

 

Though I'd put up this link since it pertains to the subject matter.  I have nothing to do with this story just passing it along. So don't go responding as I will not reply.  http://gma.yahoo.com/​george-zimmerman-emerged-hiding-truck-crash-​rescue-163123990--abc-news-topstories.html  I find reading the comments at the end of such article interesting...though some are out of line.


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Posted on Mon, Jul 22, 2013 00:25

Quoting MovingAhead:

All I have to say to this nonsense is: "If I ever jump a guy and slam his head against the concrete please shoot me." That is exactly what Trayvor did. No matter what led up to it there was NEVER a reason to jump and beat Zimmerman.

 

America's white's are not racist but simply tired of ignorant, unintelligent behavior. Koreans, Jews, Chinese, Libanese, Iraqi's and all other races and groups don't end up in jail like blacks do. Why is that? I think it is because of a lack of emotional intelligence; the ability to manage impulses the way other groups do. I lived in Kenya for 3 years and worked with the locals and seen this over and over and over again. They get angry very easy over nothing. They show the same traits in the USA. Of course this is a generalization, however, please explain the enormous number of black man in jail compared to any other demographic.

I better let it be, but I am telling you that blaming Whitey is absurd. Slavery has been abolished 200 years ago, get a grip already. Then to think that many millions of whites were treated like slaves in Europe and still produced babies that built Nations that function on a level not seen anywhere else in the world. Have a look around Western Europe...it is quite compelling. Also, don't forget, the African tribes killed and still kill each other like rats when first set foot on that continent, so to blame the White man for stirring things up is stupid if all the killing was already taking place...we were just better at it and turned our efforts in to succesful societies.



Hello MOVINGAHEAD---

 

WELCOME to the Blogs!! ;)

 

Oddly, I just posted an FBI sheet on the crime rates to enlighten JUSTSIMPLICITY on the crimes here in the states... I come back and see your post! The two go hand in hand! I completely understand and stand in the middle of the the frustration about our crime rate! More incarcerations and crime than any other country, I think I read earlier, while doing my research! IT'S OUT OF CONTROL!!

 

I would have to say RE: ZIMMER... I do not believe the kid "jumped him." I think they argued, (as 911 calls I listened to confirm) and then someone threw first punch.. (I don't think we will EVER know the truth of that since there were no witnesses and only one lived to tell) The kid got the better of him, his adrenalyne was pumping, he had a gun, end of story.... To say he was "beaten" is just silly.. I KNOW FIRST HAND what a beating is... There is just as much a chance Zimmer threw first punch, and kid still got the better of him. Regardless, if someone follows me, I have every right to ask them why they are doing so. Should we start fighting, I'll just have to knock him out first punch in case he's packin! I'm gonna have to break out my Rocky movies now and practice my punching... I don't know of any Yoga moves that will take a man out!   

 

But in all seriousness, I do not believe Zimmers account. I am from there. I know the love loss between Latinos and Blacks... and I know how hot headed men like Zimmer who have been to anger management, hit cops and had restraining orders against them act. I also have known "dirty cops," which is exactly where I feel Zimmer was headed. 

 

Regardless, the entire thing was senseless, and it DOES matter what led up to it. Zimmer is a nut case! Who calls on pot holes and kids playing in the street? I had a crazy neighbour before and he used to get upset at my son playing basketball at 6 in the evening! That guy was a nightmare! 

 

Anyway, WELCOME to the blogs.. and I concur! To scream "slavery" is ridiculous in ANY case!! I think black people should be looking at us and saying, "WOW! Thank you, your great, great, great, great, grandfather DIED, so I could have freedom! So sorry for your loss!" <------ A little "Princess Sarcasm!"  ;) 

 

Perhaps some need to heed your chosen name --- 

and, 

MOVE AHEAD ALREADY! A black President 2 terms, black Chambers, black Miss America, affirmative action, NAACP,.... AND! a black Barbie? What black girl is ever named Barbie? 

 

Jeez.. I feel like a minority!  ;)



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Posted on Sun, Jul 21, 2013 23:45

Quoting Justsimplicity:

This is the thing the effect of slavery is still lingering on black people in America. There is still a concerted effort to keep the black race as broke as possible. The black people experience it every time but the whites do not see it. I am not a racist and I am not blaming every white person for not seeing it. At times if you are not in someone’s shoes you will not know what the person goes through and how he/she feels. It does not make the white person who does not understand it a bad person. That is why I recommend that white people try to get to know black people more. Those who do, really have a very wonderful relationship.

 

 I live where there is a lot of conscious movement. Both whites and blacks share a lot in common. they live in communities where the love is even more intense than you can imagine. I have brothers, sisters and most of my friends who are white, I only feel I am black when I am alone or when the police begin reminding me of my race by their attitude. I am alive because of white people.

 

I have children with my ex white wife... Out of convenience she took away my assets and my three kids aia personally raised. If I were not strong I will be in jail now, even though she took everything plus the kids from me. I will have to fight twice as hard as if I were a white person to get just custody over my children. The fight over my assets will be a waste of my energy. Let the truth be told so that we can begin healing. There are lots of black people in my situation who are even thrown in jail if after everything is taken from them, and they cannot pay the child support imposed on them.

 

Black people are racist too. So this problem is not one sided. We all have to be engaged in undoing this evil in our society. Black people need to stop accusing and blaming white people; instead they should engage in a more collaborative discussion to educate the white people who they really are. White people should be available to listen and accept black people as part of the human family. Not only black and white, people of other races too. We should stop pretending that we are superior or inferior. Every black person will kill for their child with a white parent and every white parent will die for a child with a black partner.

 

Please instead of accusing we should encourage a discussion that could help us understand each other better and then exploit the benefit that each race carries.



HI JUSTSIMPLICITY---

 

WELCOME to the BLOGS! ;)

 

JUST- I must respectfully disagree....

 

I do NOT feel "SLAVERY" has ANYTHING to do with ANY of the crimes in TODAY's society, and to use that as a "crutch" is ridiculous! 

 

Black individuals were granted "affirmative action," have the same amount of FREEDOM as everyone else, and in the United States of America, we even have a "Miss Black USA" EVEN THOUGH women of ALL races compete. If we had a "Miss White USA," people would call racism! 

 

Lest I remind everyone, it was "white man" that abolished slavery! AND, we now have a black President 2 terms. To use "slavery" as a reason is creating a problem, not part of the solution! 

 

I posted some FACTS on your blog regarding crimes and murders etc... consisting of all races... 

I hope you will NOT take it that I am racist, but the FACTS are FACTS....

 

SIM- The MARTIN case is NOT about race---- and the case was possibly lost due to the prosecution trying to say it was.. 

Thank good Ole "Al and the Gang" for that! Those individuals have created more HARM than good! 

 

When you see what I posted regarding black crimes in the U.S. on your blog, you will see the outrage the white race has against black criminals. The fact is, blacks make up only 13% of the population, yet in 2011....

 

49.7% of MURDERS were committed by BLACKS (48% by WHITES)

Now, some people try to say, "Well, whites were right behind!" 

YES, but the WHITE POPULATION is 77% of the ENTIRE POPULATION, not a measly 13%!!!

 

55.6% of ROBBERIES in 2011? BLACKS, but they only make up 13% of society... 

 

So yes, people are OUTRAGED.... 

 

I just don't happen to feel we have enough facts here for THIS ONE CASE... 

 

But, this ONE CASE isn't about a white man and black boy...

 

It's about 2 minorities, who, in central Florida, Hispanics and Blacks do NOT generally eat together. It's kind of a "Cryps and Bloods" thing in Florida... 

 

RACISM exist EVERYWHERE by ALL races.... 

 

But the ones with the mega-phones shouting the loudest for their "lost freedoms," are usually the ones inciting the most HATRED!!!

 

Page taken from FBI- Table 43 2011 Crime Stats!

 

 

 



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Posted on Sun, Jul 21, 2013 22:01

This is the thing the effect of slavery is still lingering on black people in America. There is still a concerted effort to keep the black race as broke as possible. The black people experience it every time but the whites do not see it. I am not a racist and I am not blaming every white person for not seeing it. At times if you are not in someone’s shoes you will not know what the person goes through and how he/she feels. It does not make the white person who does not understand it a bad person. That is why I recommend that white people try to get to know black people more. Those who do, really have a very wonderful relationship.

 

 I live where there is a lot of conscious movement. Both whites and blacks share a lot in common. they live in communities where the love is even more intense than you can imagine. I have brothers, sisters and most of my friends who are white, I only feel I am black when I am alone or when the police begin reminding me of my race by their attitude. I am alive because of white people.

 

I have children with my ex white wife... Out of convenience she took away my assets and my three kids aia personally raised. If I were not strong I will be in jail now, even though she took everything plus the kids from me. I will have to fight twice as hard as if I were a white person to get just custody over my children. The fight over my assets will be a waste of my energy. Let the truth be told so that we can begin healing. There are lots of black people in my situation who are even thrown in jail if after everything is taken from them, and they cannot pay the child support imposed on them.

 

Black people are racist too. So this problem is not one sided. We all have to be engaged in undoing this evil in our society. Black people need to stop accusing and blaming white people; instead they should engage in a more collaborative discussion to educate the white people who they really are. White people should be available to listen and accept black people as part of the human family. Not only black and white, people of other races too. We should stop pretending that we are superior or inferior. Every black person will kill for their child with a white parent and every white parent will die for a child with a black partner.

 

Please instead of accusing we should encourage a discussion that could help us understand each other better and then exploit the benefit that each race carries.



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Posted on Sun, Jul 21, 2013 21:15

All I have to say to this nonsense is: "If I ever jump a guy and slam his head against the concrete please shoot me." That is exactly what Trayvor did. No matter what led up to it there was NEVER a reason to jump and beat Zimmerman.

 

America's white's are not racist but simply tired of ignorant, unintelligent behavior. Koreans, Jews, Chinese, Libanese, Iraqi's and all other races and groups don't end up in jail like blacks do. Why is that? I think it is because of a lack of emotional intelligence; the ability to manage impulses the way other groups do. I lived in Kenya for 3 years and worked with the locals and seen this over and over and over again. They get angry very easy over nothing. They show the same traits in the USA. Of course this is a generalization, however, please explain the enormous number of black man in jail compared to any other demographic.

I better let it be, but I am telling you that blaming Whitey is absurd. Slavery has been abolished 200 years ago, get a grip already. Then to think that many millions of whites were treated like slaves in Europe by other white's and still they built Nations that function on a level not seen anywhere else in the world. Have a look around Western Europe...it is quite compelling. Also, don't forget, the African tribes killed and still kill each other like dogs long before and long after "Whitey" set foot on that continent, so to blame the White man for stirring things up is stupid if all the killing was already taking place...we were just better at it and turned our efforts in to succesful societies whose inventions that are now saving millions and millions of complaining blacks.



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Posted on Sun, Jul 21, 2013 20:24

Quoting greenkindeyes:

Your listing of Zimmerman's crimes was embarrassing to me, you're really reaching.  Why was the young man walking in the school hours to his father's home?  It was because he was expelled for fighting at school.  Tryvon had stolen goods in his locker and at school was well known as a troubled boy.  How do I know this, these facts not allowed in the trial, even though they occured within weeks of the incident.  Why would this tough typical young man scream like a girl for being followed? 

Why is Zimmerman being called white?  Why isn't President Obama isn’t called white if it only requires a white parent.  Why is the evidence of the trial not acknowledged or the evidence from the FBI enough for you?  Why are we even talking about this as a White Black issue?

I never noticed how lost the African American culture was until now.  I've dated black men, my past white boyfriend has black children, and my future business partner is black man.  I'm not racist, I'm looking for integrity and fairness and I see a huge need to blame blaring problems on white people when communities that have been self governed by Black leaders for generation and do NOTHING to protect Black young men from getting killed from Black young men.

My past boyfriend grew up in East Saint Louis, IL.  You must be joking if you actually believe you’re in the same situation as African Americans in the 60's. The amount of crime committed by Black men is a fact, in ratio to thier community can not be disputed.  The numbers are consistent.  Regardless of the justice system the sheer numbers of those people of color who fear Blacks in thier inner city neighborhood makes this entire situation bizarre.  A Black Man has a 80% being killed when they're confronted by a black man, not a white guy. 

Anyone inside your culture that speaks up and quotes actual factual evidence is attacked accused of being white.  So are we to believe to be educated is White, to speak intelligently is White.  To present facts and actuall stats on these emotional subjects suddenly becomes an Uncle Tom?  Culturally, Black people must know what is being exposed in general.  T

There are people who get off a boat and within years own a store.  They beat their child senseless if their kid doesn't make straight A's and have no one to blame for they're lack of success.  These same people are not liked by everyone and create communities that build wealth that feeds back into their community.  They take care of their own and they dominate the percentage of the top students in California in all our Universities. 

If you get admitted to UCLA you likely will not understand the intern, the nurse past being admitted.   Am I to understand that white people only wish to oppress one group, only to allow other cultural groups to succeed and overwhelm them in industry and in culture?  The awful days of that kind of oppression are gone, in fact, so obsolete my post probably won’t survive long enough to be read.  Has everyone gone crazy!

This trial brought into focus how much the Black Culture in America is in crisis.  Your leaders have ill will and would rather stir a riot than know the name one Black young man who was killed in Chicago.  Zimmerman trial is exposing the worse weakness and lack of integrity in your community and strengthening perceptions that the Black Culture is Drunk with justifying their failure at not living up to their own "I have a Dream".


Greeneyes - You need to redirect your questions to the appropriate poster. 

 

In the interest of peace, I have decided to remove all of my posts. Goodluck everyone with your various points of view - some of which are plainly shockingly ignorant! I have no wish to return to these contentious matters any time soon. Goodluck and goodbye!

 

Liv.



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Posted on Sun, Jul 21, 2013 19:32

Quoting Dakota35:

Liv you know how much I respect you, but you are letting emotions guide your opinion and not the law.  You do not understand the spin that the US media has put on this case.  Please understand the reason why the media has done such is not out of concern for Trayvon, but in order to get viewers/ratings.  I cannot confirm all that Diane said about Zimmerman, but there are bad things to find about Trayvon as well.  He is shown with guns, tats, flashing gang symbols, jewelry on his bed that was not his.  But none of this pertained to the case...I think it all should come out with both Zimmerman and Trayvon, but that's not how the justice system works.  I think Hoping has already explained how she looked over the Internet and found conflicting reports.  There is so much false info out there that it has to be really confirmed before spreading.  Some are just lies.  I base my opinion of this case from watching a liberal media outlet.  If in fact Zimmerman is as bad as Diane says, then it will just be a matter of time before he is behind bars.  I repeat, this was not about race.  Liv, don't do what the media has done, add fuel to the fire.  This was simply a horrible chain of events.  In Georgia a black man walked up to a lady with her baby in a stroller in a attempt to mug, he shot the baby point blank (white baby).  Now was this a racial crime and should it be tried as so?  We don't know, but unless we have some definitive proof then we must say no.  We all know OJ was guilty of murder (killed 2 white people), but there was no such riots or protest, just civil disappointment among those that disagreed...and no screams of racism at least from the white community.  And ultimately OJ got what he deserved.  I also must remind you that Zimmerman is Hispanic and not white.  I would so like to crack a joke at this point, but this is a serious matter. :(   

 

If screams of racism are heard every time some bad event happen that involves different races, it will soon become of no value.  Just like the boy that cried wolf.  There needs to be definitive proof and then all races should be outraged.  Trayvon used racial terms while talking on the phone to a friend before he died.  Is that what makes this racial...of course not.  Nor do I feel upset about it at all.  Laws must apply to all races equally. 

 

Liv you are far away from where this happened.  I live a state away (Fl borders AL).  I live very close (within a few miles) to the once most racially divided city in the USA.  I've driven by the 16th street Baptist church many many times where 4 little back girls lost their lives.  That is a racial crime and the turning point of the civil rights movement in American...because both black, white, and all other races were outraged.  Calling Zimmerman/Trayvon trial racial minimizes the memory of such a horrific event, and takes away from the power and importants of the moment.  I'm happy to report that B'ham AL is riot free and civil.  I guess we've just evolve more than other parts of the country.  We all get along quite well down here despite what the rest of the country may believe.

 

Liv, I said I would not comment again on this matter but you know I hold you in high regard, so I felt that you deserved my reply.  You have every right to disagree, but just make sure you know all the details and how the law in FL is written.  Otherwise you can just base your opinion on emotions, which we all do from time to time.  I'm still outraged about what you shared about that island and public officials...I've had some bad thoughts regarding that.  But I would need to know without doubt to justify acting on my thoughts...that is the problem all of us here are not completely in the know. 




DAK - I know how much you respect me and I know you know how much I respect you. However, I did not make this case a racial one. I responded to you point by point. You brought in the racial angle with regards to riots. The other points you raised, I strongly disagree with, not on an emotional basis, but on evidential basis. You know me well enough to know that whilst I am human and somewhat gentle and kind, I do not allow my opinion to be shaped by emotions - that does not work with me. By reason of my work with sexually molested children, emotions CANNOT come into play in my work and in my life - a child gets brutally raped and/or killed if I make a mistake or allow emotions to take me over or take over the protective adults in the child's life! The margin of error is ZERO! Even my sons knew from when they were toddlers that emotional blackmail of tears and tantrums don't work with me. My military training in my previous life, does help, so reasoned and well-articulated requests, opinions, suggestions and evidence work better with me than emotional nonsense.

 

My sole point - in case it got missing in translation - is that when you kill someone, [strip away all the noise about racism, the victim's weaknesses, how tall the kid was, media sensation, etc etc], you should get done for the crime - the charge should normally range from murder to manslaughter depending on the circumstance of the killing! Zimmerman should have been found guilty of one of these - the least being the manslaughter of this kid. The fact that he didn't, whether that reason is racial-based or not does not and will never sit well with me. My opinion is not based on my race as I will be the first to 'shoot' down an idiotic black person and I have done it on here in these blogs, but it is based on the fact that from all evidence and procedural irregularities, this is not a legally sound judgment. The only reason Zimmerman's acquittal would be legally sound judgement is if his victim was not a human being -  perhaps a dog or a 'bloody neanderthal'. You state that it is a series of unfortunate incidents - both made bad decisions - both should pay for their bad decisions. The kid paid - hugely with his life - so why shouldn't Zimmerman go to jail for his poor decisions? You have not answered that question and of course you do have a right to remain silent. That is my point. This kid was not someone who forced himself into Zimmerman's bedroom trying to rob him or kill his family, so I scarely see where self-defence comes in.

 

I agree that I am British and I live in Britain, but don't forget that much of my legal and judicial work often involve international elements, so it is my duty to have a good knowledge of both criminal and children's law outside the jurisdiction of the United Kingdom. Still this trial does not meet the threshold of transparency in order that Justice can be done and that Justice is seen to be done!

 

Zimmerman is obviously not a Hispanic name but a European name of Germanic/Jewish origin. Zimmerman's father is White and I understand that he is a judge. The procedural irregularities that beset this case is one that we see every time, there is an unwritten pre-determined outcome that violates the rule of law and the tenets of Justice. Zimmerman is bad news - his criminal history is clear evidence of that and it is only a matter of time before he strikes again. That is my focal point - afterall, his previous victims were not black, were they? Yet he walked free every time. So this is not about whom he killed this time, it is really about examining this man and his history of escalatory crimes! How long will his White and well connected father keep shielding him?

 

My suggestion to you is you research Zimmerman - if thereafter, you still give him a badge of honour, I will be disappointed, but I still will respect your view! You have a right to your opinion and I have a right not to like it.

 

Lastly, because you are White, Male, and not dirt poor, you haven't walked in the shoes of the average Black person. And please do not get me wrong - it is tough being a minority and if you aren't you really don't know what it means to be one. I will not go into further details, but I say this with the greatest respect to you as a dearly cherished friend.

 

Liv.



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Posted on Sat, Jul 20, 2013 22:33

Quoting greenkindeyes:

Yes, of course he wasn't on his way to school at the time it happened, point well taken.  He was acting strange, in the rain and after all, he had women's stolen jewlery in his posetion the last time the police searched his belongs at his home.  The fact he wasn't arrested isn't equivalent to his general direction in criminal activity.  Tryvon didn't have a wet back and other guy had a broken nose.  However the interatction began, quickly Tryon was beating him senceless.  No one spent much time touting this child was a picture of good behavior, a can of worms no one wanted to open.  I regret he didn't just go home, being he was so close to the front door.  He circled back, he wasn't afraid, he was looking for a confrontation.  Being he towered over Zimmerman, he was sure of the outcome of confrontation, what he didn't count on was that Zimmerman had a gun.

It's all so unnecessary, this situation should hardly be the foundations for unrest when the facts are reviewed.  Tryvon was not acting in a way any of us would encourage our child to act, he over reacted.  Zimmerman over reacted.  No one wanted this outcome, it's a mess.



Hey GREEN---- 

 

YES! It's a MESS!! Such a SAD event.. :(((((((((((((

 

Since you are actually "discussing," (debating) Please allow me to ask you this, as these are MY questions, so please ANSWER the questions and try to remain unbiased. Being on the debate team, it should be fairly easy for you to remain unbiased here.. as we "debaters" always see at least 4 sides to ONE issue! ;) 

 

I will go with YOUR statements and we can go from there.. and THANK YOU for replying... ;)

 

Your second statement says---- 

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He was acting strange, in the rain and after all, he had women's stolen jewlery in his posetion the last time the police searched his belongs at his home.  The fact he wasn't arrested isn't equivalent to his general direction in criminal activity. 

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POINT A- ACTING STRANGE? To WHOM? 

ZIMMER?? who had called 911 or non-emergency a number of 46 times for ANYTHING from pot-holes to kids playing in the street... to suspicious activity, oh, and trash in street! 

 

1) I challenge EVERYONE to google "zimmerman 911 calls the daily beast" and REVIEW his calls. I WOULD BE MORTIFIED IF I HAD A WACKED OUT NEIGHBOR CONTACTING AUTHORITIES OVER KIDS IN STREET AND POT HOLES!! THIS behavior is NOT what I consider "rational." 

 

2) Remember, as you debate, this is a man fighting for his life with no real witnesses to say what happened, as he is the only one left alive... 

 

POINT B-

He had jewelry that was NEVER said to be stolen, by the police themselves, (they never found owners and did search, etc, and the kid was never charged w/ a crime) THEREFORE, We MUST, as a JURY--- NOT EVEN CONSIDER ANY OF THAT, AND additonally, this was in MIAMI, AT SCHOOL, NOT TRAYS HOME as you stated... 

 

POINT C-

His "general direction of criminal activity?" Sweetie, come on... I've watched people as they shot up who have turned their lives around before!! We don't judge as a jury on "what looks like is going to happen in somene's future!"

 

IF we judged that way GREEN, your next marriage you will be cheated on, and I will be a cheater. THAT WOULD RULE US HELPLESS OVER OUR OWN LIVES! 

 

We do NOT own the right to say what will or won't happen in that boys future! 

 

Do I personally feel Trayvon was headed a bad path? YES, I do... BUT, that is NEGATE in this case...  HE HAD NO CRIMINAL RECORD... PERIOD!!  

 

YOU THEN SAY:

 

 Tryvon didn't have a wet back and other guy had a broken nose.  However the interatction began, quickly Tryon was beating him senceless.

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BEATEN SENSELESS? GREEN, Zimmer had scratches on his BALD head and a scratch on his nose! He received NO STITCHES and ACCORDING TO TRIAL--- 

YES, I RECEIVED THIS FROM TRIAL--- And anyone who follows "The Princess" KNOWS I won't state it unless I have it VERIFIED 3 times.. (I was an advertiser --- we get FINED and risk lots of $$$$ if we don't follow rules ) Did you know in Florida, we can't even call it "an old people community!" LOL... Our BROKER could lose their broker license and be fined tons!! ;) 

 

FROM TRIAL EVERYONE:

THE EMT ON SCENE DIRECTLY AFTER SHOOTING SAID SHE TREATED ZIMMER FOR 5, GET THAT 5 WHOLE MINUTES BEFORE RELEASING HIM TO POLICE...

 

NOTE TO ALL READING: 

As a SURVIVOR of domestic violence---

When an individual is getting beaten to death, enough to use the most deadly of all forces to SURVIVE----

NEWSFLASH!!!! 

Medical personelle will need to oversee you more than 5 minutes DIRECTLY AFTER the "severe beating you just received." 

 

Just sayin.... ;)

 

YOU SAID:

I regret he didn't just go home, being he was so close to the front door.  He circled back, he wasn't afraid, he was looking for a confrontation.  Being he towered over Zimmerman, he was sure of the outcome of confrontation, what he didn't count on was that Zimmerman had a gun.

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WHO says he circled back? ALL witnesses, aside from the shooter say they heard arguing, but did not even know who threw the first punch.. The consensus was the boy got the better of him though. BUT, the boy WAS heard, according to TRIAL, as asking, "Why are you following me?" 

 

MY question? What makes it ACCEPTABLE for ZIMMER to follow someone, call the cops, go out of his way and find them again, (BY your words above, ZIMMER had to go find the boy, as he MUST have been STILL headed home if he were close by...)

Now ZIMMER is CLOSER TO TREYS HOME THAN ZIMMERS OWN HOME, (MAKING ZIMMER THE OBVIOUS AGGRESSOR HERE, COME ON MISS DEBATE TEAM... NO ONE CAN DENOUNCE THIS "IF" TREY was so close to his house.. and ZIMMER far from his...) 

You LEFT STUNNINGS blog after she told you to leave... WHY? B/C you saw she felt YOU were unwelcome in her community (blog) when she said Good bye---- 

You didn't return... 

ZIMMER DID... 

 

WHO then, was the AGGRESSOR? 

 

You really think Tray came coming at him by his own home with a basketball game to watch? 

OR...

Might it well be that Zimmer sought after this boy, as he did FIND HIM after he lost him.. (Can't find someone if you aren't looking and they are BY THEIR OWN HOME!!!) 

 

Just sayin....

 

Curious to your thoughts... 

 

And KIND green eyes--- 

 

Thanks for participating--- ;)

 



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Dakota, Jomo, and all.  I spent a fair bit of time the last few days looking up how juries are selected.  Also peremptory challenges and challenges for cause.  While I was at it I listened to the video, (one used in the preparation of juries in courtrooms all across this country) of why we have juries, the function of the juries, how the juries protect us from the state, the government, and from bad law. 

 

 

I have heard the video before when I was up for jury duty. 

 

 

Rumors of my being on the jury must have gotten back to the defense as they settled before the trial commenced.   :  --  )

 

 

Honest, it was emphasized that when juries repeatedly defy the rules of law and return verdict indicating there fury and displeasure, bad laws are rewritten.  It is one of their duties to defy bad law and / or bad applications of the same.  They can and they do and it is expected that they will in some cases. 

 

 

The defense attorneys in this case would have knocked out any black mothers of teenage sons with a peremptory challenge.  No cause required.  Why not for cause?   Because, if a selected juror stated under oath that she could fairly and in an unbiased way fairly hear the evidence and make a decision, the judge may not allow the for-cause challenge.

 

 

Both the prosecution and the defense get a limited number of peremptory challenges.  Ten and twelve was mentioned, but I believe that was for a 12 person jury.  Defense always gets a few more.  For reasons we all should understand, the courts bend over backwards to make it difficult to convict.  An unlimited number of for cause challenges for both are allowed, but a judge can overrule them. 

 

 

So, I think the jury should have brought back a guilty verdict for manslaughter.  It was within their power.  I disagree, but must respect the fact that that they did not.  It is not required that I like it. 

 

 

No Dakota, I did not completely disagree with you. 

 

 

 

 

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Quoting Hoping4Love2000:

OH MY-- 

Hello KINDGREENEYES--- Welcome back... 

 

What I find embarrassing? 

 

1) The fact you feel 7:00 at night is "school hours." (Single shot heard on 911 call at 7:16 I think it was, AT NIGHT.. Basketball game was on... ) 

 

2) Since FLORIDA is my home state, I can attest, in February, it does tend to get darker earlier than say other months like July for instance,... not sure WHY? But, oh well....  So it was not light outside, and is one reason I feel the prosecution should have left the "race card" out of it... (Good ole Sharpton and the gang for ya! They nailed that boys coffin in their own greed for "showism!")

 

3) I feel sad for the fact whatever area of the country you live in, your children must go to school on a Sunday night! We don't do things like that IN FLORIDA! Check your calendar sweetie.. February 26, 2012... SUNDAY... I will be more than happy to campaign for children in your area if need be, as I am adamant children should not go to school on Sunday evenings! ;)

 

4) Treyvon didn't LIVE in Sanford... He lived in MIAMI.. Being a Floridian, let me assure you these 2 cities are HOURS apart!! I've driven them before.. Even in a HEMI- It takes a while from point A to B.. :) 

 

THE FACTS:

1) Trayvon was visiting his father, and yes, he had been suspended from school, apparently 3 times..

 

 

2) Trayvon WAS suspended at time of shooting. I guess had he been shot during school days and school hours, in his school city, there would be no debate.  We could just have "open season" on suspended teens from school, kind of like we do with gators now and then in Florida, to get rid of "over crowding."

 

3) Trayvons's suspensions were for several things. It should be fairly obvious for anyone the boy was a "troubled youth," just like most of our teens are. His suspensions included,

GRAFFITI, (He wrote WTF on a door,)  At the time the school police were searching his backpack for the marker from the day before where he was seen on tape writing WTF on a door, he was found with jewelry in his backpack, along with a screwdriver. He said jewelry was given to him. These were some significant items and handed over to police who tried to find rightful owners, but NEVER DID, NOR WAS TRAYVON EVER CHARGED WITH A CRIME.    

 

Troubled teen? Fairly obvious.. Not sure what that has to do with his shooting, as he was NOT known in Sanford to be known as a "thug HS boy" and in Miami where he resided, he had never even been arrested. Just a kid whose mom shoved him off to dad's out of frustration. Happens every day, unfortunately. 

(Do I ever feel awful for that mom! Can you imagine to be at your wits end with a teenager and ship them hours away to Dad's, only to be killed? If anyone reading prays, please keep this family, as well as Zimmerman's in your thoughts, regardless your opinion. )

 

Trayvon was later suspended for being found with an empty baggie "smelling" of pot, with nothing in it and a pipe containg resin. (This is said to be WHY he was suspended at time of shooting.)

It is also said he had been suspended previously for truancy and chronic tardiness. I imagine this was his first of the 3 suspensions. 

 

Again, not certain of the relevance here?

 

GREEN, you stated he was "tough?" 

 

FACT? He had never been arrested, had no criminal record, and he was not the one following someone else. He was walking home, skittles and watermelon fruit juice in pocket, phone in hand talking. 

 

So if you want to thrown in the "normalcy" of a teenage boy's life needing proper guidance to head the right path, fine, but GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT. 

 

Then, you can also look into the shooters frame of mind. 

 

I only go by FACT. That's why I posted relevant photos, and autopsy report. I don't deal with innuendo. 

 

I don't know what to believe at this point, I haven't been able to ask any questions, as I wasn't n the jury...

 

But for me.. ??

 

We will NEVER know the entire truth... and WHY??? B/C in my view, "Sharpton and the Gang" made this a racist crime, and THAT is never a wise move... 

 

And WHY? B/C MANY things you stated ARE correct.. 

 

White men don't usually kill black boys;

..........and last I checked, ......................

 

ZIMMER isn't white... 

 

~~~Have a great day GREEN and everyone~~~

 

 



Yes, of course he wasn't on his way to school at the time it happened, point well taken.  He was acting strange, in the rain and after all, he had women's stolen jewlery in his posetion the last time the police searched his belongs at his home.  The fact he wasn't arrested isn't equivalent to his general direction in criminal activity.  Tryvon didn't have a wet back and other guy had a broken nose.  However the interatction began, quickly Tryon was beating him senceless.  No one spent much time touting this child was a picture of good behavior, a can of worms no one wanted to open.  I regret he didn't just go home, being he was so close to the front door.  He circled back, he wasn't afraid, he was looking for a confrontation.  Being he towered over Zimmerman, he was sure of the outcome of confrontation, what he didn't count on was that Zimmerman had a gun.

It's all so unnecessary, this situation should hardly be the foundations for unrest when the facts are reviewed.  Tryvon was not acting in a way any of us would encourage our child to act, he over reacted.  Zimmerman over reacted.  No one wanted this outcome, it's a mess.



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Quoting Diana3316:

Yes Hope.....but who will speak for the ones that no one wants to hear?  Or is the black community supposed to just be quiet and take it?  The Martin family asked for an investigation, but the police decided that it was self defense and let him walk.  It seems like there is reasonable doubt....that it was not.  Sharpton et al didn't come in until requested to do so by the parents....at least that's what I heard Sharpton say.  Trayvon was shot 2/26/2012.  There wasn't an arrest for something like 45 days!!    Put yourself in the parents' shoes.

 

PS:  Hispanics are considered racially white.  GZ was white of Hispanic decent.  Latino or Hispanic is an Ethnicity.

 

Ok...I'm off.  Thanks for the wishes!  Take care and behave, Princess!  :))



Hey hey Lady DI---

 

I imagine you are relaxing by now and won't pick this up for a while, but I did want to say... 

 

DI--- I am sick of being brow beaten with RACE being used as a crutch... 

 

I grew up around Hispanics all my life.. 14 Mexican kids lived next door.. We never considered anyone white unless they were ALL WHITE! 

So no, Hispanics are not considered white; according to CDC census they are NON-whites or Hispanics, their DL says Hispanic, and in any communities, they are considered Hispanic.

 

Bottom line for me? 

 

The police didn't even check to see if Zimmerman was intoxicated, etc.. If someone shoots someone, they should be checked for powder residue, drugs etc... and gun be taken away and a thorough investigation started, the SAME criteria as if a police shoots a man in the middle of commencing a crime. Officers are also FORCED to have an emotional eval after shooting, to not only show state of mind during shooting, but their emotional level after. I can't imagine anyone with a heart not feeling badly after killing another... That's why so many combat vets never make it back in their minds... Even though they fought for their life, they can't get over it.

 

There are even some people who are incapable of even killing another to defend their own life believe it or not! That's why EVERYONE needn't own a gun! 

 

Regardless, I do not feel the police should EVER have the right to determine if a shooting was "legal or not." This isn't their job criteria. They are to PREVENT, SECURE, and ENFORCE; not determine what the state deems as being up for prosecution. THIS WAS A TRAIN WRECK FROM THE START AND SEMINOLE AND VOLUSIA COUNTY HAVE SOME SERIOUS POLICING ISSUES GOING ON FOR YEARS AND YEARS NOW! 

 

 

I do hope if Zimmerman had to do it over again, he never would have taken the authority to confront the boy. THAT IS THE START OF THE ISSUE FOR ME... I think NW is wonderful when one follows the NW guidelines. BY ALL MEANS, contact police should you feel "weird," about something, but it is not in the guidelines to follow and confront. 

 

Too bad the young man wasn't some squeaky clean black geek like Ben Carson probably was... Had the media not been able to dig anything up about his "troubles," the consensus might be more, "Great, we have an up and coming Ben Carson that got shot by some wanna be, hot-headed cop with a prior record of violence, times 2!!"  

 

It's sad the parent's got Sharpton etc involved, B/C a Hispanic killing a black boy will never fly as a racist crime. I feel the parents were desperate. I would use every means available to me as well in their case, and my heart hurts for them. But I think in this matter, the "do gooders" cost them dearly...

 

And WHY?

 

B/C in a nation where we have a black President winning 2 terms, a separate black Miss America pageant and a black Chamber of Commerce in many towns.... It's kind of hard to cry racial discrimination... 

 

If we want to know what is holding us back, we need to look to ourselves. And in a day and age where some southern cook gets her recipes and foods pulled from Walgreens, Walmart, etc due to making "acceptable racial comments made back in the 60's in ATLANTA for goodness sakes!," but yet Walmart still carries Snoop Snoop CD's (or whoever all those artist are) who use words like the "N" one, and promote police violence etc... 

 

Well, seems to me, many times, we are making allowances in the wrong direction... 

 

I applaud the many blacks I have heard defending Paula Deen. The jist of what I have heard in her favor?

"It was the 60's and she is southern from Georgia! Who cares? I say that word all the time. It was acceptable for that era, and even if she said it recently out of habit B/C she was raised that way, who cares? DON'T TAKE AWAY HER FRIED CHICKEN!" 

 

Bwahahahaaha!! 

 

Hope you are having a great vacation!! Be sure and take pics for us!

And yes, the Princess is "bein-haved!"  ;)

 

 

 



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Your listing of Zimmerman's crimes was embarrassing to me, you're really reaching.  Why was the young man walking in the school hours to his father's home?  It was because he was expelled for fighting at school.  Tryvon had stolen goods in his locker and at school was well known as a troubled boy.  How do I know this, these facts not allowed in the trial, even though they occured within weeks of the incident.  Why would this tough typical young man scream like a girl for being followed? 

Why is Zimmerman being called white?  Why isn't President Obama isn’t called white if it only requires a white parent.  Why is the evidence of the trial not acknowledged or the evidence from the FBI enough for you?  Why are we even talking about this as a White Black issue?

I never noticed how lost the African American culture was until now.  I've dated black men, my past white boyfriend has black children, and my future business partner is black man.  I'm not racist, I'm looking for integrity and fairness and I see a huge need to blame blaring problems on white people when communities that have been self governed by Black leaders for generation and do NOTHING to protect Black young men from getting killed from Black young men.

My past boyfriend grew up in East Saint Louis, IL.  You must be joking if you actually believe you’re in the same situation as African Americans in the 60's. The amount of crime committed by Black men is a fact, in ratio to thier community can not be disputed.  The numbers are consistent.  Regardless of the justice system the sheer numbers of those people of color who fear Blacks in thier inner city neighborhood makes this entire situation bizarre.  A Black Man has a 80% being killed when they're confronted by a black man, not a white guy. 

Anyone inside your culture that speaks up and quotes actual factual evidence is attacked accused of being white.  So are we to believe to be educated is White, to speak intelligently is White.  To present facts and actuall stats on these emotional subjects suddenly becomes an Uncle Tom?  Culturally, Black people must know what is being exposed in general.  T

There are people who get off a boat and within years own a store.  They beat their child senseless if their kid doesn't make straight A's and have no one to blame for they're lack of success.  These same people are not liked by everyone and create communities that build wealth that feeds back into their community.  They take care of their own and they dominate the percentage of the top students in California in all our Universities. 

If you get admitted to UCLA you likely will not understand the intern, the nurse past being admitted.   Am I to understand that white people only wish to oppress one group, only to allow other cultural groups to succeed and overwhelm them in industry and in culture?  The awful days of that kind of oppression are gone, in fact, so obsolete my post probably won’t survive long enough to be read.  Has everyone gone crazy!

This trial brought into focus how much the Black Culture in America is in crisis.  Your leaders have ill will and would rather stir a riot than know the name one Black young man who was killed in Chicago.  Zimmerman trial is exposing the worse weakness and lack of integrity in your community and strengthening perceptions that the Black Culture is Drunk with justifying their failure at not living up to their own "I have a Dream".



OH MY-- 

Hello KINDGREENEYES--- Welcome back... 

 

What I find embarrassing? 

 

1) The fact you feel 7:00 at night is "school hours." (Single shot heard on 911 call at 7:16 I think it was, AT NIGHT.. Basketball game was on... ) 

 

2) Since FLORIDA is my home state, I can attest, in February, it does tend to get darker earlier than say other months like July for instance,... not sure WHY? But, oh well....  So it was not light outside, and is one reason I feel the prosecution should have left the "race card" out of it... (Good ole Sharpton and the gang for ya! They nailed that boys coffin in their own greed for "showism!")

 

3) I feel sad for the fact whatever area of the country you live in, your children must go to school on a Sunday night! We don't do things like that IN FLORIDA! Check your calendar sweetie.. February 26, 2012... SUNDAY... I will be more than happy to campaign for children in your area if need be, as I am adamant children should not go to school on Sunday evenings! ;)

 

4) Treyvon didn't LIVE in Sanford... He lived in MIAMI.. Being a Floridian, let me assure you these 2 cities are HOURS apart!! I've driven them before.. Even in a HEMI- It takes a while from point A to B.. :) 

 

THE FACTS:

1) Trayvon was visiting his father, and yes, he had been suspended from school, apparently 3 times..

 

 

2) Trayvon WAS suspended at time of shooting. I guess had he been shot during school days and school hours, in his school city, there would be no debate.  We could just have "open season" on suspended teens from school, kind of like we do with gators now and then in Florida, to get rid of "over crowding."

 

3) Trayvons's suspensions were for several things. It should be fairly obvious for anyone the boy was a "troubled youth," just like most of our teens are. His suspensions included,

GRAFFITI, (He wrote WTF on a door,)  At the time the school police were searching his backpack for the marker from the day before where he was seen on tape writing WTF on a door, he was found with jewelry in his backpack, along with a screwdriver. He said jewelry was given to him. These were some significant items and handed over to police who tried to find rightful owners, but NEVER DID, NOR WAS TRAYVON EVER CHARGED WITH A CRIME.    

 

Troubled teen? Fairly obvious.. Not sure what that has to do with his shooting, as he was NOT known in Sanford to be known as a "thug HS boy" and in Miami where he resided, he had never even been arrested. Just a kid whose mom shoved him off to dad's out of frustration. Happens every day, unfortunately. 

(Do I ever feel awful for that mom! Can you imagine to be at your wits end with a teenager and ship them hours away to Dad's, only to be killed? If anyone reading prays, please keep this family, as well as Zimmerman's in your thoughts, regardless your opinion. )

 

Trayvon was later suspended for being found with an empty baggie "smelling" of pot, with nothing in it and a pipe containg resin. (This is said to be WHY he was suspended at time of shooting.)

It is also said he had been suspended previously for truancy and chronic tardiness. I imagine this was his first of the 3 suspensions. 

 

Again, not certain of the relevance here?

 

GREEN, you stated he was "tough?" 

 

FACT? He had never been arrested, had no criminal record, and he was not the one following someone else. He was walking home, skittles and watermelon fruit juice in pocket, phone in hand talking. 

 

So if you want to thrown in the "normalcy" of a teenage boy's life needing proper guidance to head the right path, fine, but GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT. 

 

Then, you can also look into the shooters frame of mind. 

 

I only go by FACT. That's why I posted relevant photos, and autopsy report. I don't deal with innuendo. 

 

I don't know what to believe at this point, I haven't been able to ask any questions, as I wasn't n the jury...

 

But for me.. ??

 

We will NEVER know the entire truth... and WHY??? B/C in my view, "Sharpton and the Gang" made this a racist crime, and THAT is never a wise move... 

 

And WHY? B/C MANY things you stated ARE correct.. 

 

White men don't usually kill black boys;

..........and last I checked, ......................

 

ZIMMER isn't white... 

 

~~~Have a great day GREEN and everyone~~~

 

 



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Very good response.  You might want to get your son's pituitary gland checked, it could be producing to much GH. (Acromegaly)  15 and 6'6" seems a little much.



No, my son is one of many men in the family who are taller that 6'4", my daughter is 5'10 and I'm 5'8".  Being tall is not a medical condition.  But Thank you.



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Posted on Sat, Jul 20, 2013 09:30

Quoting Livnlov:

Diana wrote:


 
 "It seems curious that black men are so often profiled as monsters, but never allowed to be the ones afraid of monsters!  How does a lone 17 year old black kid walking done the street, just trying to get home, become the scary one?



Let's take a closer look at George Zimmerman’s Criminal History.  As a Child up to his late teens, for a decade, he is accused by his female cousin of sexually molesting her beginning when she was 6 years old.  As an Adult, physically abused his Ex-Wife; she had a Restraining Order against him and later the Charges were dropped.  He assaulted a Police Officer and interfered when the Officer was arresting one of his friends at a Bar.  He had to take Anger Management Courses and later those Charges were once again dropped.  Now he Stalked and Killed an Unarmed 17 year old child after he disobeyed the 911 Operator's instructions not to follow. 


He also admitted to Police that night that he was taking Prescription Drugs Xanex and Adderall, which are known to cause "worsening mental or mood problems (eg, aggression, anxiety, delusions, depression, hallucination, hostility) and also Temazepam which can cause hyperhydrosis, hypotension, burning eyes, changes in libido, hallucinations.  The Jury wasn't allowed to hear this and they let him walk.



Note:  Marijuana has no side effects such as aggression or agitation.  It should also be noted that the level in Trayvon’s blood was well below the level for impairment.



All his life, because of the status of his Father, who was a Judge and his Mother and Uncle who also work in the Courts, Zimmerman has able to get away with crimes that would have had anyone else behind bars or at least with a Criminal Record which would have disallowed him from possessing a Gun Legally.  His crimes have escalated from Molester to Wife Beater to Assaulting Police Officers to now Murder and once again he is getting away with it. 



The Criminal Case is over, but the way Zimmerman has been escalating his crimes and been allowed to get away with them, time will tell when he will once again commit another crime.  George Zimmerman is a Serial Criminal.



The dignity in which the Martin family has conducted themselves throughout this horrible ordeal is nothing short of extraordinary.  I just can’t believe that this could happen like this. "



 

 

 

 

Jomo, I am compelled to ask you what you find irrelevant to the case, in the above post written by Diana? If anything, it clearly and articulately lays out the bare bones of the case in an evidential manner. Exactly what issues do you have with it?


 


Liv.


Your listing of Zimmerman's crimes was embarrassing to me, you're really reaching.  Why was the young man walking in the school hours to his father's home?  It was because he was expelled for fighting at school.  Tryvon had stolen goods in his locker and at school was well known as a troubled boy.  How do I know this, these facts not allowed in the trial, even though they occured within weeks of the incident.  Why would this tough typical young man scream like a girl for being followed? 

Why is Zimmerman being called white?  Why isn't President Obama isn’t called white if it only requires a white parent.  Why is the evidence of the trial not acknowledged or the evidence from the FBI enough for you?  Why are we even talking about this as a White Black issue?

I never noticed how lost the African American culture was until now.  I've dated black men, my past white boyfriend has black children, and my future business partner is black man.  I'm not racist, I'm looking for integrity and fairness and I see a huge need to blame blaring problems on white people when communities that have been self governed by Black leaders for generation and do NOTHING to protect Black young men from getting killed from Black young men.

My past boyfriend grew up in East Saint Louis, IL.  You must be joking if you actually believe you’re in the same situation as African Americans in the 60's. The amount of crime committed by Black men is a fact, in ratio to thier community can not be disputed.  The numbers are consistent.  Regardless of the justice system the sheer numbers of those people of color who fear Blacks in thier inner city neighborhood makes this entire situation bizarre.  A Black Man has a 80% being killed when they're confronted by a black man, not a white guy. 

Anyone inside your culture that speaks up and quotes actual factual evidence is attacked accused of being white.  So are we to believe to be educated is White, to speak intelligently is White.  To present facts and actuall stats on these emotional subjects suddenly becomes an Uncle Tom?  Culturally, Black people must know what is being exposed in general.  T

There are people who get off a boat and within years own a store.  They beat their child senseless if their kid doesn't make straight A's and have no one to blame for they're lack of success.  These same people are not liked by everyone and create communities that build wealth that feeds back into their community.  They take care of their own and they dominate the percentage of the top students in California in all our Universities. 

If you get admitted to UCLA you likely will not understand the intern, the nurse past being admitted.   Am I to understand that white people only wish to oppress one group, only to allow other cultural groups to succeed and overwhelm them in industry and in culture?  The awful days of that kind of oppression are gone, in fact, so obsolete my post probably won’t survive long enough to be read.  Has everyone gone crazy!

This trial brought into focus how much the Black Culture in America is in crisis.  Your leaders have ill will and would rather stir a riot than know the name one Black young man who was killed in Chicago.  Zimmerman trial is exposing the worse weakness and lack of integrity in your community and strengthening perceptions that the Black Culture is Drunk with justifying their failure at not living up to their own "I have a Dream".



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Yes Hope.....but who will speak for the ones that no one wants to hear?  Or is the black community supposed to just be quiet and take it?  The Martin family asked for an investigation, but the police decided that it was self defense and let him walk.  It seems like there is reasonable doubt....that it was not.  Sharpton et al didn't come in until requested to do so by the parents....at least that's what I heard Sharpton say.  Trayvon was shot 2/26/2012.  There wasn't an arrest for something like 45 days!!    Put yourself in the parents' shoes.

 

PS:  Hispanics are considered racially white.  GZ was white of Hispanic decent.  Latino or Hispanic is an Ethnicity.

 

Ok...I'm off.  Thanks for the wishes!  Take care and behave, Princess!  :))



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Posted on Thu, Jul 18, 2013 15:08

Quoting Dakota35:

 

Hope this subject is over for me.  I wasn't lead by conservative media.  I watched Queen B Nancy Grace.  You are correct, I wasn't there...I'm glad that you were so that you could get me straight on what happened.  You have a right to your opinion just as I have a right to mine.  You keep using the term "little boy" well this little boy was larger in size than me.  I can tell you straight up, If I'm out on neighborhood watch and a person of 6ft stature punches me and then jumps on top, if I have a gun I will use it.  Trayvon was wearing a hood so there is no way to tell he was young, nor his color in the dark.  I'm sure Zimmerman could tell he wasn't white, but there are many dark races in the world other than African American.  I'm tired of this subject, not angry, just tired...it has been taken to a level that never should have happened.  I blame the media and the civil rights leaders. I give them credit for moving back time and dividing the races.  They should be the ones put in prison for inciting public disorder.
 
Oh, and I agree with RMAC, a jury of 6 IMO is to few.  12 does seem like a better number.  And it would be wrong to select a jury based on color...that is racism.  RMac suggestion that there should be some black women with sons the age of Trayvon on the jury, is wrong.  Just as suggesting there should be mothers of Hispanic police officers who have lost their sons on duty.  The idea is to select a fair jury, not select a jury with predisposed bias. 



DAKOTA----

 

Can you not read? I have no opinion as of now... I HAVE QUESTIONS!!!

 

YOU opened the door claiming Trayvon attacked Zimmerman AFTER he was hiding... 

I presume this came out at trial and you saw it? 

 

So I went with that. 

 

I showed you an official police photo of the crime scene and asked you,

 

WHERE did he hide?

 

IF he planned to ambush him as you stated, WHY was his phone in one hand and he was talking on it? (Not the move of a person seeking to ambush.) 

 

IF he planned to ambush him, WHY did he leave his money, tea and skittles in his pocket? This is not what an ambushing person would do.

 

I further asked WHY ZIMMER was in his truck for the 911 call, and then minutes later, was on the same sidewalk as Martin? This depicts in common sense, he was STILL following the kid and that HE approached the kid.

 

I asked WHY the one witness said she heard Martin ask, "Why are you following me?" That ALSO, is not something someone who is ambushing another person does.

 

Now DAKOTA, these are VERY VALID, INTELLIGENT questions I asked as you seemed to think you knew more of the case, so I felt maybe you saw the trial? I merely asked questions, as I have not heard these answers.

 

You stated the kid was large etc.. Well, let me tell EVERYONE something about "children!"

 

Children grow at different stages. My youngest wore a 34DD BRA at the age of 13!!! Is she suddenly a "woman" B/C her body grew too big for her emotinal and intellectual intelligence? NO, she was still a child in ALL regard....... regardless her bra size! 

 

My son was 6' at 16... Guess what? He was STILL a child!! At 17 he was 6'2"... STILL a child!!

 

Scientist have found our Prefrontal Cortex in the brain does not develop fully until the age of 25!! That's right! 25!! So yes DAKOTA, Treyvon Martin, was a child, by law, and by science... 

 



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Hoping4Love2000
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Posted on Thu, Jul 18, 2013 14:26

Hey Hey Lovely Lady DI--

 

Hope to catch you before you go on vacation! HAVE A GREAT TIME!!! AND BE SAFE!!!

Be sure not to walk in a neighborhood people don't know you. I understand people have the "right" to follow you, call the police on you, and confront you.... (even if you are doing nothing wrong!! TALK ABOUT US LOSING OUR FREEDOMS!!!) and BEWARE: If you are better at kicking their azz, then be sure to pack, so you can cap the first and last shot! I understand a bag of skittles and a tea can are no match for a bullet in the chest these days! ;)))

 

Lady DI- I disagree that Sharpton and the others getting involved "assisted" this case. Those guys tend to "stir the blood" and it is never a good idea to chum for shark unless you want shark for dinner... I feel they made this more into a racially motivated crime when the TRUE FOCUS needed to be on ZIMMER and his erratic actions that night and for many years prior. 

Follow me here hun... 

 

ZIMMER had domestic abuse on him in past and a restraining order was granted against him.

He had assaulted an officer and had been arrested for battery on LEO. 

He had over 40 calls to 911 in that neighborhood proving an "excessive amount" of either PARANOIA, or too much busy-body GLADYS KRAVITS in his blood! I mean calling 911 B/C children are playing in the street???? 

But more so than this with the calls is--- he was the ONLY ONE in the neighborhood who has dialed 911 so much! The crime rate in central Florida is high, but for the neighborhood of Twin Lakes, the highest crime is larceny... like steaing cars. 

He also commenced the Neighborhood Watch program after the HOA said they did not feel it was "necessary." In fact, he self-elected himself to be the leader. That's about as ridiculous as my being a real life self-proclaimed Princess.. *Scooby Snickers...

 

Now I am in no way saying NW should not be in force.. I feel every neighborhood needs a watch, BUT, to ADD this w/ all his other behaviors shows how he "barrels his way" into things... His "forceful" demeanor, just as following TREYVON AFTER he noted police of "strange, suspicious activity." 

 

In fact, JUST THE FACT he considered somebody walking on the sidewalk in the alleyway to be "suspicious" shows an abnormal level of paranoia. It's a large neighborhood, lots of people walk in those alleyways between homes. Most burglars don't commit crimes in the rain.. and most burglaries are committed in day while people are at work.  What would possibly posses a sane individual to think somebody walking in a neighborhood is NOT NORMAL??? 

 

Proving a "HATE" crime is one of the most difficult crimes to prove. And the fact remains, ZIMMER ISN'T WHITE. 

 

The prosecution should have hammered at the motivation behind his following the kid in the beginning, (he was doing NOTHING wrong, wasn't trying to break in to someone's home, etc. and further, following people is NOT what NW is all about.) They should have focused on WHY he went to find him after cops were notified, and they should have addressed the HOW in he and the kid collide anyway, as ZIMMER WAS NOT being where he was suppose to be- the kid WAS where he was to be.. He was still where he had always been... on the path heading back home... 

 

To bring the RACE card without a white man in the room was IDIOCY at it's finest. Courtesy of Sharpton, Jackson and the Gang!

 

See DI, I am of the thinking had they NOT gotten involved, far more people would have taken the MINOR CHILD'S side and be asking the same questions I am... 

 

BUT, when MANY of us see those individuals stick their fingers into the pot, they lose all sense of reasoning after that! WHY? B/C "Al and the Gang" have stirred more trouble than ever helped anyone... 

 

The saddest fact of all? 

 

I don't think they really do this to "help the black community," they do it for SELF-PROMOTION, just like the GUN RIGHT people used this case to scream for their rights! ZIMMER used very excessive force and by FLORIDA STAND YOUR GROUND law, is very GUILTY.... 

 

"Stand your ground" is the highest measure one may take when their LIFE is in danger... ZIMMER's LIFE was NOT on the line... He had a couple of cuts on his shaved bald head and a scratch on his nose after a kid got the best of him after he confronted the kid about walking around.

 

 

ZIMMER was a "bully that got knocked around, a hot-head wannabe cop with anger management issues, who carried a gun to a skittle fight!" 

Playing the RACE CARD was a POOR MOVE on the prosecution's part! He didnt shoot the boy B/C he was black.. He shot the boy B/C he was out of control. 

 

 



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Posted on Wed, Jul 17, 2013 23:01

Quoting rmac22:

 

Jury of one's peers

 

 

I looked it up. 

 

 

This has been interpreted by the courts to mean that the available jurors include a broad spectrum of the population, particularly of race, national origin and gender. Jury selection may include no process which excludes those of a particular race or intentionally narrows the spectrum of possible jurors. It does not mean that women are to be tried by women, Asians by Asians, or African Americans by African Americans.

 

 

Six jurors seems small to me, but different state / courts?  I am more familiar with 12. 

 

 

It still seems odd that no black people were on the jury. 

 

 

 

RMac

 

 

 



I agree RMac.  Very odd!  I doubt much satisfaction will be gained the more we learn about this particular jury.



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