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Posted on Wed, Jun 26, 2013 00:17

Speed~

This is a very common problem.  Men often think….well if I like something, a woman will like it too.  Example:  Men like to look at photos of naked women, so men frequently offer to send pictures of their naked bodies.  Dear Lord….spare me!  Women do NOT want to see that stuff!

 

My point here is that men are very visual and extremely attracted to the beauty of women.

 

Unfortunately, women have succumbed to the billions of corporate advertising dollars/brainwashing, Hollywood/media role models…. and have come to believe putting chemicals on themselves is required to meet current beauty standards.  Additionally, men reinforce this behavior by being attracted to youthful Bay Watch beauties.  If you ever have a chance to read some male profiles…..many…if not most say their match should be “hot, extremely good looking” and often “curvy”.

 

It seems to me that women putting makeup on and/or having plastic surgery does not prove your point that men are more “naturally” attractive than women.  And you actually never provided your opinion as to what attributes were more attractive about the male form vs the female.

 

And finally, in your original post:

 

What you will find is with most animal species it is the male that is naturally, thru selection, more physically attractive. This is somewhat subjective, but generally considered to be the case.  We humans, animals that we are, can be argued are likewise.  ……… but naturally, as with most animal species, if unbiased by gender attraction it is the male again.

 

Not true.  We humans cannot be argued as likewise.  Women are far more likely to be forgiving of physical imperfections in men.  This is why men don’t feel a need to wear makeup.  Although women may take a precursory look at a good looking man….it is a fleeting criteria.  As long as his looks are within normal limits, she may still select him.  How many times have you seen a really good looking woman with a very ordinary looking man?  (Even Henry Kissinger got a woman to marry him)  Human males are selected due to their behavior….not due to their physical attractiveness…..generally.  What can be effectively argued....is that that behavior is typically the appearance of power and dominance.  I do not mean a man that behaves like a brut.



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Posted on Tue, Jun 25, 2013 09:18

First, WELCOME to the blogs SPEEDDALLAS-

You will find we are a diverse group here…

 

In the animal kingdom, there are many males that are more “colorful” than the females…

 

BIRDS play a large role in this, IE: Cardinals and Peacocks…

I would say in birds this holds true due to the female being the primary caregiver sitting on the eggs and needing to “camouflage” herself. Female cardinals sit on the eggs most of the time. If the male sat on them all the time, it would increase the odds of predators for being seen. This would not be functional for “survival.”

 

On the other hand, with many animals, the mother will abandon their baby if their baby is seen as “weak.” Animals have more instinct than humans and can “sense” things we can't. I’ve watched animal shows where babies have been left who could not keep up when the animal knew they were being trailed by a predator. WHY? FOR SURVIVAL of the fittest!

 

In the animal kingdom, such as the Old World Monkey, there is ONE male who is the leader of the pack of his “harem!” Should another male come along and desire this “harem,” the infiltrator will fight to the death to win the females, and then kill the offspring of the fallen leader.

 

There are also many animals that commit infanticide, (killing their own offspring,) such as male mice. In many species, it is said they do this in order to eliminate competition as well as being able to procreate with the female again. If the mother is feeding offspring, she is often not considered as “mate able.”

 

ANIMALS ARE MORE INSTINCTIVE DUE To NATURE. IE: Dogs are now used to smell patients with cancer and other ailments. When I lived in California, I had an American Eskimo. Tuesday went crazy one day! I had no idea what was wrong with her, but she started moving about as a human would, pacing from room to room… A few minutes later, we had an earthquake many, many miles away! The walls started shaking and I went to the front doorway to find EVERYONE WAS IN THEIR FRONT DOORWAY! I looked to my neighbor and said, “So that’s an earthquake?” She said, “Yes, it was either really small, or very far away.” A human could never sense these things. DOGS ARE AMAZING CREATURES!!

 

Tuesday also knew when “daddy was home!” We lived in a large apartment complex on the top floor, so he parked far away. (It was not as if he was pulling into the driveway of a home.) But I knew when he was home because she would stand at the sliding door and get antsy! I’d say, “Daddy’s home!” and she would start jumping!

 

So to say we are equivalent to the animal kingdom is incorrect. We are nothing like animals in many respects. Fathers don’t eat their young as to not have competition and men don’t go around killing another man to gain his harem. For staunch activist against abortion, this is the major factor in their thinking. They feel strongly to abort is akin to an animalistic nature of killing your young. In some respect, I agree, as some women at higher risk have amnio to see if their child has defects. If they do, they may abort. Most humans care for their children who are considered “flawed” with disabilities such as autism, however.

 

Humans are DOMINANT over the animal kingdom. Animals don’t have jobs, and drive cars and produce activist groups to “stop cruelty of humans!”

 

WHY? Well, I just said it! HUMANS ARE DOMINANT OVER THE ANIMAL KINGDOM!

 

In so far as “men are more attractive?” The CDC claims in the year 2009-2010 35.7% of Americans were obese, with not much difference in men or women. Additionally, obesity in children was higher in boys than girls. (18.6% to 15%) Now these are ONLY OBESITY stats from the CDC. They claim another 32% of Americans are overweight, but not overweight enough to be called “obese.” Guess what? Men lead in being overweight by about 2%!

 

Another fact? The CDC claims obesity in men and women differ with financial status. Poor women dominate being hefty while the wealthier men carry more excess baggage. My guess? All that red wine and steak dinners and eating out all the time after sitting behind a desk and not exercising for wealthy men. Now couple this with the fact men bald far earlier and their sexual abilities are not as favorable as when they were younger? I’d say MEN are the ones who need to step up their game!  It is no picnic trying to find a man regardless of his financial status as 67% of Americans are overweight to begin with. Now add $$$. The WEALTHY men are heaviest versus non-wealthy men. 

 

And as far as makeup and hair, etc… We do it because we are females and most have enjoyed doodling with our hair and face since we were little girls, just like most of us like baby dolls and teddy bears versus dump trucks! We are not in competition with men. We want men to think we are pretty! Men CAN look better with makeup themselves, hence why actors must wear it. But it is not perceived as “masculine” to do girl things and most men are not that vain. And it’s a good thing, or we would fight more for bathroom mirror time!

 

MONEY? ONLY 22% of HOUSEHOLDS even make 6 figures yearly... That is HOUSEHOLDS, NOT individuals.... IE: the man makes 64K, wife makes 36K... COMBINED----- THEY make a portion of the 22% of all 6 figured incomes... They file “jointly.”

 

Only 5% of American HOUSEHOLDS make $250K or above... and $250K last time I checked is NOT a million.

 

But, at the end of the day, WHY does a man need to be attractive?

Because WOMEN HAVE WHAT YOU MEN WANT!



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Posted on Tue, Jun 25, 2013 06:36

So...I've already agreed that in the animal kingdom the male tends to be adorned more luxuriously in color and quality of hair coat....endowed with more defined musculature resulting in enhanced speed and strength.  But you were speaking of physical attractiveness...I thought. 


Those are all traits that equate tp physical attractiveness. As we are part of the animal kingdom it would seem logical that we follow the same rules of attractiveness. 26 year olds are no different.


As to the make-up thing replied to by several. I also prefer the look of a woman in make-up vs without. Think about which men wear it?  Mostly those on the big or small screen. Actors and News people? Why? Too look better. Very few men walk around with make-up. That's the point. Women  appear to believe and men here have agreed the purpose is to look better than they naturally do. Is helping to prove my point. Men have no problem attracting women without wearing make up.  Make-up is putting chemicals on the skin for the sole purpose of looking better. Why would anyone do that if it wasn't believed needed, and why do so few men do it? Like i said, attractiveness is subjective, but the evidence I'd argue is leaning in my direction.


Augmentation I'd equate with Toupe's. Both attempts to look more attractive that are totally unnatural. Personally I'm anti augmentation, but believe in the minority on that position. They look good clothed, but feel and look so unnatural in more intimate settings. Not to mention the 60 year old Grand mothers I see walking around the market with teen age looking breasts. Is like that balding white hair 70 year old dude I see on the anti aging adds. 20 year old body and 70 year old head looks odd. The bad news is I'm aging into that oddity. The good news is my hair is full and dark. That is the cost of training like a youngster. I do look odd. 



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Posted on Mon, Jun 24, 2013 21:57

Quoting Livnlov:

What exactly do you have against a woman wearing decent, subdued makeup? A beautiful woman is a beautiful woman. No amount of makeup in the world is going to turn an ugly duckling into a raving beauty - I was hoping you'd know that. I could challenge you to an observed date where I wear no makeup and I will beat you hands down on the beauty spectrum, lol! But I won't.

 

Just relax and enjoy the beauty that is around you. Women are beautiful, if you disagree then try dating the men.

 

As an aside, I do not like loud and bright makeup, though.

 

Liv.



"Women are beautiful, if you disagree then try dating the men."

Liv, when did you start reading minds?  Just for the record...I AGREE!, I AGREE!, I AGREE infinity!

 



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Posted on Mon, Jun 24, 2013 21:53

Quoting StunningYetShy76:

I happen to disagree. I have met several humble, attractive men who are billionaires. These days, millionaire is common due to people working harder, running around with less sleep etc. Oh and by the way, look at trillionaire Nicholas Woodman from GoPro... attractive, happily married! Even younger people have an opportunity these days in being a millionaire etc. Besides the point, I'm getting away from the subject, many older men are atractive too. It's based on the individuals taste, their class, the way they speak, the way they carry themselves and how much they appreciate you. Attractive men? You mean the ones on steroids? LOL Some don't find those aggressive type attractive. Maybe to an extent; Again, depending on individuals personality and taste. I hope I read and understood your post. If not my apologese ahead of time.



I don't know if your "trillionaire" statement was simply a exaggerated statement...like saying gazillionaire, but for the record Forbes has Nicholas Woodman's net worth listed at 1.3B.  I apologize, but such interest me so I had to look it up.  I've never heard of him (I have heard of GoPro) until you said his name.  I always respect a man of wealth that is also a good family man.

 

Something I found interesting, that some of you might not know.  Did you know that Julia Louis Dreyfus has a net worth that exceeds Oprah?

 

I agree with everything else you stated.



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Posted on Mon, Jun 24, 2013 14:44

Quoting SpeedDallas:

"A young, physically attractive man that has accumulated a million dollars is the ‘most’ attractive, "in demand", of the males. "

 

 

 

That's not quite what I said.  And remember this is millionaire match.  Also attraction is only the first step in any relationship. What I did say was the amount of single men, under 55,  attractive and who are wealthy is quite low in comparison to attractive women.  Laws of supply and demand dictate the rest.

 

 

 

As to which gender in the human species is more attractive, well that is subjective and as humans alter their looks, unlike any other animal thru non natural methods I think the line is blurred. The fact that most painters over the centuries have been men and men are less likely to paint men might play a role in why women are more often the subject. As to aging skin,  I don't think there is much difference naturally between the genders, but women are more apt to take care of their skin than a man.

 

 



Speed~

Lololol....ok....this is kind of a stupid discussion...but I'm game!  *wink*

 

So...I've already agreed that in the animal kingdom the male tends to be adorned more luxuriously in color and quality of hair coat....endowed with more defined musculature resulting in enhanced speed and strength.  But you were speaking of physical attractiveness...I thought.  So let's take two 26 year old humans; one male and one female.  Would you please provide an assessment of which attributes and/or body parts are more "naturally attractive" on the male vs the female?



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Posted on Mon, Jun 24, 2013 04:59

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It is too bad the male species must rely on looks while the female can be herself.

 

I'd agree with all you wrote sans the human species. I don't think it is the case with us talking monkeys. How many women have you been on a first date with without make up. Yes, the woman not you.



What exactly do you have against a woman wearing decent, subdued makeup? A beautiful woman is a beautiful woman. No amount of makeup in the world is going to turn an ugly duckling into a raving beauty - I was hoping you'd know that. I could challenge you to an observed date where I wear no makeup and I will beat you hands down on the beauty spectrum, lol! But I won't.

 

Just relax and enjoy the beauty that is around you. Women are beautiful, if you disagree then try dating the men.

 

As an aside, I do not like loud and bright makeup, though.

 

Liv.



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Posted on Mon, Jun 24, 2013 04:54

"A young, physically attractive man that has accumulated a million dollars is the ‘most’ attractive, "in demand", of the males. "

 

 

 

That's not quite what I said.  And remember this is millionaire match.  Also attraction is only the first step in any relationship. What I did say was the amount of single men, under 55,  attractive and who are wealthy is quite low in comparison to attractive women.  Laws of supply and demand dictate the rest.

 

 

 

As to which gender in the human species is more attractive, well that is subjective and as humans alter their looks, unlike any other animal thru non natural methods I think the line is blurred. The fact that most painters over the centuries have been men and men are less likely to paint men might play a role in why women are more often the subject. As to aging skin,  I don't think there is much difference naturally between the genders, but women are more apt to take care of their skin than a man.

 

 



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Posted on Mon, Jun 24, 2013 04:43

Quoting SpeedDallas:

Lions, birds, fish nearly all, but as mentioned this is somewhat subjective. Look at cardinals for instance as they are quite common. The male is bright red, with a big ole head dress and the female drab green with a roundish head. Look at mallards. This is almost universal in fish and birds. Compare lions. Compare dogs. The animal kingdom is rife with such examples. Peacocks, Chickens. In humans why do you think so many women wear make up, and augment breasts. How many men do? Why?


A beautiful woman's beauty is inestimable but for a season! Same can be said for a man's attractiveness. Men can be beautiful as well, but I do not see a comparison between male species and female species as far as beauty is concerned. What I think, and this is my opinion, is that each specie is unique and beautiful in their own rights and their respective beauty complements the other's. I have never pitched women's beauty against men's handsomeness - it's a moot point. Why not just fall for men then since they are soooo irresistibly beautiful - why do men swoon all over women if your assertions have solid basis to them? If what you are asserting is accurate, I'd expect every man to become gay!

 

As for your question as to why so many women wear makeup? It is more of a socio-cultural programming than anything else! From what my friends and people who have stayed at my home tell me, I am perfectly beautiful first thing in the morning without makeup! If it was just a man telling me that, I'd take it with a pinch of salt and wink it away. As to the second part of your question about breast augmentation - first off, why on earth will a man need a BOOB job? Why? Were you actually asking that as a valid question? To redirect to why women may have boob jobs, one reason is clinical, after a mastectomy and I hope you can forgive a cancer survivor of that 'vanity' please. Secondly, I find - and I stand to be corrected - that women who are plastic surgery focused have other issues other than the plastic surgery itself - self-esteem, body dismorphism etc. And some vain men actually push and pay for their little plastic dolls to get pumped up with more plastic! I am really sorry, my intent is not to be sarcastic, but it takes a lot more than the need to be beautiful to go under the knife. And I do know men who shoot up botox onto their forheads like they are doling out candies, go under the knive to get rid of their love handles, mid-life bulge, double chin etc - yes - Men! Rather than getting off their lazy behinds and hitting the gym and eating healthy. Most healthy and secure men want a healthy and secure natural woman any day....and they both embrace the natural.

 

Liv.



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Posted on Mon, Jun 24, 2013 04:14

Quoting Diana3316:

Speed~

 

You make two points:

 

#1 - The male gender is a physically more attractive form than the female.  In general terms I might tend to agree with you, especially when speaking of the animal kingdom.  And I will even agree with you that a youthful man may enjoy beautiful skin, silky hair and thicker, longer eyelashes than a woman…..but physically there is not much comparison in the overall beauty of the form.  Simply look at the art world, inarguably experts on visual beauty….and you will notice that it is the female form that has captivated the world’s attention and admiration for centuries.  And speaking as a woman who has seen more than a few naked middle- age or older men…..their beauty does not last.  For even if the man remains healthy and in shape….his form becomes coarse, while even well into her eighties a woman will retain milky and soft skin…..especially her breasts, loins, thighs and hips.

 

#2 – A young, physically attractive man that has accumulated a million dollars is the ‘most’ attractive, "in demand", of the males.  While this may be true in the case of the female that lusts for the things money can procure, it is generally not the attribute the majority of women seek.  The majority of women are satisfied with enough money to ensure safety and security.  The paramount characteristic that makes him the ‘most’ attractive male…..is how he makes her feel when she is with him.   If his demeanor is that she should be grateful for every breath she takes because she is allowed to be in his presence….he will be unattractive, regardless of his vast wealth.



Diana,

 

THANK YOU!!!!!! You are sooooo darn articulate.

 

Liv.



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Posted on Sun, Jun 23, 2013 20:50

Quoting SpeedDallas:

Look around the animal Kingdom. What you will find is with most animal species it is the male that is naturally, thru selection, more physically attractive. This is somewhat subjective, but generally considered to be the case.

We humans, animals that we are, can be argued are likewise. At least naturally. Both genders do all sorts of things such as shaving, make up, augmentation, working out, ect... that attempt to improve our looks, but naturally, as with most animal species, if unbiased by gender attraction it is the male again.

 

So how does that apply to MM you wonder.

 

In the US about one in 10 households have a net woth of 1 million or more. By far most those households are lead by a male member, over 55, and married. All that said, think of the likelyhood of finding a single attractive male with a net worth over a million. Do some math, and understand there are far more attractive women than millionaire single men. Think how in demand an attractive, younger, millionaire male is.

 

Good luck in your search.

 

 


Speed~

 

You make two points:

 

#1 - The male gender is a physically more attractive form than the female.  In general terms I might tend to agree with you, especially when speaking of the animal kingdom.  And I will even agree with you that a youthful man may enjoy beautiful skin, silky hair and thicker, longer eyelashes than a woman…..but physically there is not much comparison in the overall beauty of the form.  Simply look at the art world, inarguably experts on visual beauty….and you will notice that it is the female form that has captivated the world’s attention and admiration for centuries.  And speaking as a woman who has seen more than a few naked middle- age or older men…..their beauty does not last.  For even if the man remains healthy and in shape….his form becomes coarse, while even well into her eighties a woman will retain milky and soft skin…..especially her breasts, loins, thighs and hips.

 

#2 – A young, physically attractive man that has accumulated a million dollars is the ‘most’ attractive, "in demand", of the males.  While this may be true in the case of the female that lusts for the things money can procure, it is generally not the attribute the majority of women seek.  The majority of women are satisfied with enough money to ensure safety and security.  The paramount characteristic that makes him the ‘most’ attractive male…..is how he makes her feel when she is with him.   If his demeanor is that she should be grateful for every breath she takes because she is allowed to be in his presence….he will be unattractive, regardless of his vast wealth.



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Posted on Sun, Jun 23, 2013 19:55

Quoting SpeedDallas:

Look around the animal Kingdom. What you will find is with most animal species it is the male that is naturally, thru selection, more physically attractive. This is somewhat subjective, but generally considered to be the case.

We humans, animals that we are, can be argued are likewise. At least naturally. Both genders do all sorts of things such as shaving, make up, augmentation, working out, ect... that attempt to improve our looks, but naturally, as with most animal species, if unbiased by gender attraction it is the male again.

 

So how does that apply to MM you wonder.

 

In the US about one in 10 households have a net woth of 1 million or more. By far most those households are lead by a male member, over 55, and married. All that said, think of the likelyhood of finding a single attractive male with a net worth over a million. Do some math, and understand there are far more attractive women than millionaire single men. Think how in demand an attractive, younger, millionaire male is.

 

Good luck in your search.

 

 



They have all worn make-up.  However, I do give credit to some who look more natural and did a good job.  Personally, I like a woman to wear make-up and other enhancements. 



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Posted on Sun, Jun 23, 2013 19:17

It is too bad the male species must rely on looks while the female can be herself.

 

I'd agree with all you wrote sans the human species. I don't think it is the case with us talking monkeys. How many women have you been on a first date with without make up. Yes, the woman not you.



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Posted on Sun, Jun 23, 2013 18:31

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It is the female who chooses their mate in the animal kingdom and in humans.  Males must work harder for the attention of the female species.  This, in my opinion, is a weakness and not a strength.  It is too bad the male species must rely on looks while the female can be herself. Moreover, being more adorned in the animal kingdom is a disadvantage.  It makes males more conspicuous to predators.  Another biological flaw, in my opinion.  I do think the theory falls apart with domestic animals--cats, dogs, horses, hamsters, etc.  Then neither gender is more beautiful.



Hmmm....I don't know too much about cats, dogs or hamsters, but have observed horses a good bit.... and stallions are way better looking than mares.  Their head often has a chiseled appearance because of a more developed jaw, prominent forehead musculature and often smaller ears.  (a mare's ears are noticably larger, perhaps for predator detection)  Bodywise a stallion's neck is much more muscular and defined, especially along the top line which gives it a beautiful arch....and his coat is many times more soft, luxurious and shiney.  Typically a stallion will also have a thicker, more luxurious mane and tail.

 

All thanks to that magic substance called....testosterone!!  *wink*



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Posted on Sun, Jun 23, 2013 15:31

It is the female who chooses their mate in the animal kingdom and in humans.  Males must work harder for the attention of the female species.  This, in my opinion, is a weakness and not a strength.  It is too bad the male species must rely on looks while the female can be herself. Moreover, being more adorned in the animal kingdom is a disadvantage.  It makes males more conspicuous to predators.  Another biological flaw, in my opinion.  I do think the theory falls apart with domestic animals--cats, dogs, horses, hamsters, etc.  Then neither gender is more beautiful.



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Posted on Sun, Jun 23, 2013 14:39

I haven't had a date in over 3 years.  Proof he's wrong. :-)  Or am I just to damn ugly, apparently a exception to the more attractive male rule.  Just from my point of view, there is nothing more beautiful in the world than a woman.   



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Posted on Sun, Jun 23, 2013 10:31

Lions, birds, fish nearly all, but as mentioned this is somewhat subjective. Look at cardinals for instance as they are quite common. The male is bright red, with a big ole head dress and the female drab green with a roundish head. Look at mallards. This is almost universal in fish and birds. Compare lions. Compare dogs. The animal kingdom is rife with such examples. Peacocks, Chickens. In humans why do you think so many women wear make up, and augment breasts. How many men do? Why?



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Posted on Sun, Jun 23, 2013 08:32

Are you saying that an attractive young single male millionaire has a better prospect than an equally attractive young single female millionaire?

 

So how has your status as a millionaire [if you are one] given you an advantage in attracting the right female?

 

I completely disagree with you on your assumption that the male species in animals and humans are more attractive than their female counterpart; can you kindly provide some evidence that supports your assertions please?

 

Liv



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