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Posted on Mon, Apr 22, 2013 18:08

This was shared with me by a UK Politician, which I found very interesting and thought to share with you all on here....

  Suppose that every day, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten comes to £100…

If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this…
The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.
The fifth would pay £1.
The sixth would pay £3.
The seventh would pay £7..
The eighth would pay £12.
The ninth would pay £18.
The tenth man (the richest) would pay £59.

So, that’s what they decided to do..
The ten men drank in the bar every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement, until one day, the owner threw them a curve ball.
“Since you are all such good customers,” he said, “I’m going to reduce the cost of your daily beer by £20″. Drinks for the ten men would now cost just £80.
The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes.
So the first four men were unaffected.
They would still drink for free. But what about the other six men?
The paying customers?

How could they divide the £20 windfall so that everyone would get his fair share?
They realised that £20 divided by six is £3.33. But if they
subtracted that from everybody’s share, then the fifth man and the sixth man would each end up being paid to drink his beer.

So, the bar owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man’s bill by a higher percentage the poorer he was, to follow the principle of the tax system they had been using, and he proceeded to work out the amounts he suggested that each should now pay.
And so the fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100% saving).
The sixth now paid £2 instead of £3 (33% saving).
The seventh now paid £5 instead of £7 (28% saving).
The eighth now paid £9 instead of £12 (25% saving).



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Posted on Mon, May 20, 2013 02:11

Quoting Diana3316:

It's a deal....next year then!  You need to take it easy and get to feeling better!!  I am pretty overwhelmed right now myself.  If I can sell my house, I'll have plenty of doe for a nice trip! 

 

Take CARE of YOURSELF Liv!  Your baby needs you!



Yep, Diana...it's a deal. June 2014 - Royal Ascot, England!

 

Yeah, I do need to really, really slow down......

 

I've had a lot of support and a lot of love, so that helps.

 

Thanks a lot.

 

Liv.



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Posted on Sun, May 19, 2013 21:17

Quoting Livnlov:

Diana,

I'm not kidding - of course, you can come and you can stay with me. I live only 13 miles away from the Royal Ascot. The only trouble is my health at the moment and my niece's graduation - I still don't have the exact dates from her. If all works out, you are more than welcome to come over. Worse case scenario, if not this year, we can make plans for the June 2014 Royal Ascot race meets, OK?

Yeah, one of the highlights of the Royal Ascot is the hats....those hats! Ohhh how I love my hats and  a chance to wear them at Ascot - I think it is a secret wonderful guilty pleasure *wink*.

Yeah, I saw Prince Harry's US visit - that was very good. Those Princes are a treasure to us Brits. Real treasure. Diana, I have sent you message on your profile check it out please.

Liv.


It's a deal....next year then!  You need to take it easy and get to feeling better!!  I am pretty overwhelmed right now myself.  If I can sell my house, I'll have plenty of doe for a nice trip! 

 

Take CARE of YOURSELF Liv!  Your baby needs you!



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Posted on Sat, May 18, 2013 01:11

Quoting Diana3316:

Are you kidding me Liv????  I would LOVE to go to Ascot!!  Despite the fact that I have at least 3 hats that could be suitable....I would most definitely buy a new one!  For real....I'm sure I have enough airline points that I could make the trip. 

 

PS:  Prince Harry was here in the States.  He was a great hit with all, but like you said....very down to earth, spending a generous amount of time connecting with American war veterans.  Both young men are so good looking and likeable....like their mother...RIP.

 

PSS:  Orb's latest breeze (term for workout)


Diana,

I'm not kidding - of course, you can come and you can stay with me. I live only 13 miles away from the Royal Ascot. The only trouble is my health at the moment and my niece's graduation - I still don't have the exact dates from her. If all works out, you are more than welcome to come over. Worse case scenario, if not this year, we can make plans for the June 2014 Royal Ascot race meets, OK?

Yeah, one of the highlights of the Royal Ascot is the hats....those hats! Ohhh how I love my hats and  a chance to wear them at Ascot - I think it is a secret wonderful guilty pleasure *wink*.

Yeah, I saw Prince Harry's US visit - that was very good. Those Princes are a treasure to us Brits. Real treasure. Diana, I have sent you message on your profile check it out please.

Liv.



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Posted on Wed, May 15, 2013 23:23

Are you kidding me Liv????  I would LOVE to go to Ascot!!  Despite the fact that I have at least 3 hats that could be suitable....I would most definitely buy a new one!  For real....I'm sure I have enough airline points that I could make the trip. 

 

PS:  Prince Harry was here in the States.  He was a great hit with all, but like you said....very down to earth, spending a generous amount of time connecting with American war veterans.  Both young men are so good looking and likeable....like their mother...RIP.

 

PSS:  Orb's latest breeze (term for workout)


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Posted on Fri, May 10, 2013 00:33

Quoting Diana3316:

Lov the new b&w pic Liv!!!  Very alluring and sophisticated.  And were you really at ASCOT???  Now that must have been great fun!  :))  Did you see any of the Royals?  (I have to agree with Sarah; Harry is my fav too)


Ah my Lady Di,


Thanks a lot for the compliments.


Oh yeah, I was really at the Royal Ascot. It used to be an annual ritual for me! And yes I do get to see the Queen and members of the Royal family at Ascot. Harry is great fun, but Wills is more like their mother and he is my favourite. One thing with both of them is that they are very, very down to earth. Their mum really rubbed off on them even though they were very young when she died. The seating arrangement at the Royal Ascot is such that you can actually seat close enough to the Royal family depending on where you are admitted to sit. These are the Royal Enclosure (for the Royal Family and members of the Royal Ascot - very formal dress code, a hat is a must and the dresses are to a specific and strict code), Grandstand Admissions (next to the Royal family, excellent view of the parade and racing action, easy access to the pre-parade and parade rings - very formal dressing), Silver Ring (located near the winning post, good view of the racing action - less formal - it isn't compulsory for ladies here to wear hats) and and Heath Enclosure (Less formal). 

 

I usually sit at the Royal Enclosure....ASCOT is simply electric!

 

I was going to attend with my 3 and 6 year old sons this year (I would be at the Grandstand because of the kids), but so far it appears to be clashing with my favourite niece's graduation ceremony from Medical School in mainland Europe! I am still hoping the dates will not clash so I can make both events.

 
I live only 25 minutes away from the Royal Ascot and only 5 minutes from the Sandown Race Course in Esher and about 20 minutes from the Epsom Downs (I have never been to the Epsom races). I am planning to attend the Cheltenham racing events perhaps next year, but Ascot is the one I am committed to.

 
My little boy has apparently inherited my love of horse racing (and F1). He made his first"win" a few weeks ago at the Sundown races! When his first horse lost, he was in pieces and broke down in tears, LOL! But he cheered up as his second horse won the race. He has been hassling me to enrol him into an equestrian school down the road from where we live, to start his riding lessons. I was putting that on hold as he is playing football (I am hoping to get him a trial in the next year or so into the professional football club Chelsea FC which is only 15 minutes from my home); he is taking swimming lesson and taking French language classes.....but now his French classes have ended, I guess I will look into horse-riding for him. I suppose going to Paris or somewhere else in France to spend the Summer and attending a language school there may actually be a better way for him (both of them actually) to learn and pick up the language faster...but we'll see.


Diana, would you like to attend Ascot some day? If you'd love to, just let me know. You can come and stay with me and I will host you.


Liv.



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Posted on Thu, May 09, 2013 23:11

Lov the new b&w pic Liv!!!  Very alluring and sophisticated.  And were you really at ASCOT???  Now that must have been great fun!  :))  Did you see any of the Royals?  (I have to agree with Sarah; Harry is my fav too)



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Posted on Thu, May 02, 2013 06:28

Quoting Diana3316:

Lololol....ahhhh darling Liv (AKA NAAA)....so good to see you around.  A priceless pic for sure!  Likely a wolf wannabe hoping for a chance with a ewe.  Seems there are all kinds!!!  *wink*



ROFLMAO!!!!!!(NAAA)!!!!

 

Isn't that such a wonderful title, at long last! If only he knows how much I love myself and my physique; and how much black guys (and guys of all races hit on me despite my NAAA status and his lame theory) LOL!!!

 

See why I can never stay away from you guys for too long??? Always make my day, always!

 

Thanks a lot and have a fabulous day, Diana!

 

Liv.



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Posted on Wed, May 01, 2013 23:27

Quoting Livnlov:

Diana,

 

I can't tell you how much I like that pic, LOL! I guess it's because I generally like dogs and this one is really cute plus the caption "Day 33, they still suspect nothing!" I wish Obama was that cute and harmless....I will be right behind him for what's worth (not worth much really as I can only vote in the UK and a few other countries but the USA).

 

Liv.



Lololol....ahhhh darling Liv (AKA NAAA)....so good to see you around.  A priceless pic for sure!  Likely a wolf wannabe hoping for a chance with a ewe.  Seems there are all kinds!!!  *wink*



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Posted on Tue, Apr 30, 2013 23:04

We have similar situation in the US. People go on welfare and stay on as the rest of us would a job. I cannot say too much because I have not done all the research necessary to give an intelligent comment. There is one thing that has always crossed my mind. We have lots of young, single mothers who are not able to afford a descent living and pay for child care because their salaries just won't stretch far enough, so they become a part of the welfare problem.

 

 

 

Solution:

 

 

 

Create jobs for the women who are staying at home by building affordable if not free, Day Care Centers for the children of the single moms who want to be able to work. The caretakers can be trained properly in the care of the children and the moms cannot just go to work, but, possibly go back to school. This would put all of them to work, which I'm sure, would make them feel like they are accomplishing something with their lives.

 

 

 

I may be wrong, but having perfectly strong, healthy people sitting at home being supported by government dollars just can’t be right. I know we must have programs for those who cannot care for themselves but for everyone else, there must me a better way.

 

 

 

I'll take one of those beers now, please!! I'm giving back the soap box.

 

 

 

 

 

 



Lulu in Dallas

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Posted on Tue, Apr 30, 2013 21:57

Quoting Diana3316:

Really...do you think I'm a sheep?  Hmmm is that right?  What's the singular for sheep?  *wink*



Diana,

 

I can't tell you how much I like that pic, LOL! I guess it's because I generally like dogs and this one is really cute plus the caption "Day 33, they still suspect nothing!" I wish Obama was that cute and harmless....I will be right behind him for what's worth (not worth much really as I can only vote in the UK and a few other countries but the USA).

 

Liv.



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Posted on Tue, Apr 30, 2013 21:52

Quoting Windrider735:

Great post, Liv...and so true. I've never understood why our government is so blind as to give out rewards for having one child after another simply to get a larger welfare check. It's about time we, the people who pay taxes to support these deadbeats, put our foot down and tell these women that, yes...it is your business how many children you have...as long as YOU can support them. When you expect US to support those children, we have the right to limit the number we're willing to support, and any more, we'll remove them from your custody and place them with families who actually give a damn as to their education, home life and being able to reach their goals in life. Why do we, as a society, continue to condone this behavior?   The concept of welfare was to help the elderly, disabled and sick to be able to make ends meet, and to temporarily assist people who were going through hard times. For too many, it became a way of life, and their entire lives were dedicated to learning better ways to 'work the system'. I have no problem with my tax dollars being used to help those in need, but I really resent having to stand behind someone at a check-out counter who is dressed in designer jeans, driving a new car, and paying for groceries with food stamps...and believe me...it's happened more than once. It makes me very angry to see an elderly person have to decide whether they want to pay their bills or eat, while I see people on welfare out partying on their welfare checks.  


Windy,

 

I completely agree with you!!! It is indeed infuriating!

 

I once had dealings with one - he was a bit of a funny one. He used to work, then he had an accident and so could not work. But he soon recovered and was well enough to return to work or to take up an alternative employment. Then he got paid compensation in the region of £35,000 for the accident. That was how he came to know me. He wanted some advice....but long story cut short, even though he was paid this sizeable sum of money which took him right out of the benefit bracket, I do not think this man declared the windfall. He also did not have the mindset of investing that money for the long term or to start a business with it! It was baffling how this man bought fixed income (bonds) and then took them all out prematurely and went on 5 star holidays after 5 star holidays with his brand new Asian wife whom he mailed-ordered from Sri Lanka. Then he spent the remaining part of the money in remittance to the new wife's family for one 'unfortunate' excuse after the other. Within a very short period of time, he had spent all the money. Anyhow, he was in a mad rush to spend all the money.....and after that, he was back on the bread line! LOL!!!

 

I think I did say a few curtailed words, but I can tell you that he felt the full wrath of my silent eyes!!! He avoided me like the plague and preferred to deal with my Personal Assistant when I was out of the office, LOL.

 

Liv.



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Posted on Tue, Apr 30, 2013 21:32

Quoting Diana3316:

Hmmm….well ….even if he’s not perfect….I’m  going to always choose the man that cares about me, over the one that is cold and distant….and doesn’t care about me!



Diana, 

 

Is Obama your caring man, LOL??? Who is the cold and distant one, Diana....please fill me in, please????? LOLOL!

 

Liv.



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Posted on Tue, Apr 30, 2013 21:31

Quoting Dakota35:

Liv, you are a damn smart woman.  I wish everyone could see as clearly as you.  Everything you wrote is true and provable, couldn't agree more.



Oh....DAK! Trust me, there are smarter people......our politicians see it....they just pretend it's not happening, LOL! Much easier to deal with that way. When you pretend it's not happening, then it's not your problem to deal with, afterall, it's not happening, LOL! That is teh typical UK Politician's response.

 

But thanks a lot for that huge compliment! You are very, very smart yourself.

 

Liv.



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Posted on Mon, Apr 29, 2013 19:43

Quoting Diana3316:

Yikes!!!  No wonder women go for wolves.  They're really good looking!!  :)) 

 

(I'm jus funnin' with ya Dak)  *wink*



What are you trying to imply???  :-) 



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Posted on Mon, Apr 29, 2013 14:30

Yikes!!!  No wonder women go for wolves.  They're really good looking!!  :)) 

 

(I'm jus funnin' with ya Dak)  *wink*


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Posted on Mon, Apr 29, 2013 11:01

Quoting Dakota35:

It's why so many women get divorced...they pick a guy they believe is the "one", the  one that "cares" and later find out he's a wolf in sheep's clothing.  Glad you are at least seeing the "not perfect" part.  If all it were is "not perfect", I'd be right their to support him.  But it's more than that.  I'll depart on a positive note for you Diana, and I think I remember this correctly;  I believe Obama wanted to use drones over putting troops on the ground, I am in full agreement with this/his position.  If drones can do the job why put our military men and women in harms way.  I give credit where credit is due, good decision.  America comes first, our allies come second, then after that is taken care of, we can worry about the rest of the world and what they think about America.  World governments are the problem, not the people. 



Really...do you think I'm a sheep?  Hmmm is that right?  What's the singular for sheep?  *wink*


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Posted on Sat, Apr 27, 2013 14:46

Quoting Diana3316:

Hmmm….well ….even if he’s not perfect….I’m  going to always choose the man that cares about me, over the one that is cold and distant….and doesn’t care about me!


It's why so many women get divorced...they pick a guy they believe is the "one", the  one that "cares" and later find out he's a wolf in sheep's clothing.  Glad you are at least seeing the "not perfect" part.  If all it were is "not perfect", I'd be right their to support him.  But it's more than that.  I'll depart on a positive note for you Diana, and I think I remember this correctly;  I believe Obama wanted to use drones over putting troops on the ground, I am in full agreement with this/his position.  If drones can do the job why put our military men and women in harms way.  I give credit where credit is due, good decision.  America comes first, our allies come second, then after that is taken care of, we can worry about the rest of the world and what they think about America.  World governments are the problem, not the people. 



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Posted on Sat, Apr 27, 2013 00:53

Great post, Liv...and so true. I've never understood why our government is so blind as to give out rewards for having one child after another simply to get a larger welfare check. It's about time we, the people who pay taxes to support these deadbeats, put our foot down and tell these women that, yes...it is your business how many children you have...as long as YOU can support them. When you expect US to support those children, we have the right to limit the number we're willing to support, and any more, we'll remove them from your custody and place them with families who actually give a damn as to their education, home life and being able to reach their goals in life. Why do we, as a society, continue to condone this behavior?   The concept of welfare was to help the elderly, disabled and sick to be able to make ends meet, and to temporarily assist people who were going through hard times. For too many, it became a way of life, and their entire lives were dedicated to learning better ways to 'work the system'. I have no problem with my tax dollars being used to help those in need, but I really resent having to stand behind someone at a check-out counter who is dressed in designer jeans, driving a new car, and paying for groceries with food stamps...and believe me...it's happened more than once. It makes me very angry to see an elderly person have to decide whether they want to pay their bills or eat, while I see people on welfare out partying on their welfare checks.  


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Posted on Fri, Apr 26, 2013 11:13

Quoting Livnlov:

DAK,

 

I completely follow and understand your point of view. And I totally agree with you. That is exactly what is wrong with the welfarist State, but things are changing - but sadly not in the right direction. And no matter what changes/checks and balances are put in place, they will always be susceptible to exploitation - there are always loopholes - LOOPHOLES. Unless the government makes a law to (for example) prohibit indiscriminate procreation by teenagers, coach potatoes, etc these groups of people will always be a drain on the economy. But we couldn't do that without infringing on the Human Right to procreate!!! We will just be another China.....so our government makes a law that when your youngest child becomes 5 you must go to work! So this single lady decides, when her last child is 4 years old, to get knocked up.....she delivers a brand new baby that ensures the welfare money keeps flowing for the next 5 years and she gets given a bigger house for free for having a larger family...LOL....in the next four years all she has to do is repeat the same activity and just have another baby and on and on it goes until she reaches menopause with retirement age being just round the corner and alas what that person contributed to the economy all her 'working age' life is procreate and procreate....and sadly because these kids never saw their parent go to work, and yet were provided for and because they have not seen a model of what a working family is, they fall into the same track for their future and the cycle gets repeated in their own lives and it just goes on and on! And of course they all get to vote.......so not very hard to guess whom they will be voting for.

 

Our conservative government have lost popularity right now (I suspect due to the vicious changes/attacks on the benefit system) and people want the Labour (welfarist) party back in the saddle...LOL!

 

In the UK, the current government is attacking the benefit system blindly! Those who don't qualify or need it are the ones that get it. The new changes will be severe on the disabled and sick who in my humble opinion need it more than anyone else, rather than these groups of procreative parasites.

 

Sadly our government appears to be lashing out blindly, and desperately - whilst ignoring the bigger leaks in the system that are actually bleeding out our resources....OK....yawn!!!!

 

Going back to bed...

 

Liv.



Liv, you are a damn smart woman.  I wish everyone could see as clearly as you.  Everything you wrote is true and provable, couldn't agree more.



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