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Posted on Fri, Jan 18, 2013 18:51

Those are some  powerful facts that cannot be overlooked thanks for sharing!



Government's first duty is to protect the people, not run their lives. President Ronald Reagan

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Posted on Fri, Jan 18, 2013 17:13

Dekan...I am so angry with this administration I could spit nails. How dare they alter any part of our Constitution! If the Obamanation has his way, we'll be ruled by the UN before his term is over. If we're lucky, he'll be impeached for manipulating the voting polls. The only states he won in were those who didn't acquire a picture ID. Anyone gullible enough to believe he isn't trying to unarm Americans in order to control us is either very uninformed or very naive. A LITTLE GUN HISTORY In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. ------------------------------ In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. ------------------------------ Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were +unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated. ------------------------------ China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves,were rounded up and exterminated ------------------------------ Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. ---- ------------- ------------- Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and terminated. ------------------------------ Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million educated' people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. ----------------------------- Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 56 million. ------------------------------ It has now been some time since gun owners in Australia were forced by new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by their own Government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500 million dollars. The first year results are now in: List of 7 items: Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2 percent Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6 percent Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)! In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent. Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned guns in, the criminals did not, and criminals still possess their guns! While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the past 12 months, since criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is unarmed. There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the ELDERLY. Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety has decreased, after such monumental effort, and expense was expended in successfully ridding Australian society of guns. The Australian experience and the other historical facts above prove it. You won't see this datum on the US evening news, or hear politicians disseminating this information. Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens. The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, please remind them of this history lesson. With guns, we are 'citizens'. Without them, we are 'subjects'. During WWII the Japanese decided not to invade America because they knew most Americans were ARMED! The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield, and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental. As John Steinbeck once said: 1. Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you. 2. If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck. 3. I carry a gun because a cop is too heavy. 4. When seconds count, the cops are just minutes away. 5. A reporter did a human-interest piece on the Texas Rangers. The reporter recognized the Colt Model 1911 the Ranger was carrying and asked him 'Why do you carry a 45?' The Ranger responded, 'Because they don't make a 46.' 6. An armed man will kill an unarmed man with monotonous regularity. 7. The old sheriff was attending an awards dinner when a lady commented on his wearing his sidearm. 'Sheriff, I see you have your pistol. Are you expecting trouble?' 'No Ma'am. If I were expecting trouble, I would have brought my rifle.' 8. Beware the man who only has one gun. HE PROBABLY KNOWS HOW TO USE IT!!! But wait, there's more! I was once asked by a lady visiting if I had a gun in the house. I said I did. She said 'Well I certainly hope it isn't loaded!' To which I said, 'Of course it is loaded, can't work without bullets!' She then asked, 'Are you that afraid of someone evil coming into your house?' My reply was, 'No, not at all. I am not afraid of the house catching fire either, but I have fire extinguishers around, and they are all loaded too.' To which I'll add, having a gun in the house that isn't loaded is like having a car in the garage without gas in the tank.


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Posted on Fri, Jan 18, 2013 07:17

Quoting wwww12345:

Any one who thinks big clips or semi autos are going away is smoking some funny stuff.  There are people who are buying clips by the hundreds and these are not traceable at all.  I bet they even buy with cash. All you have to do to hide them is bury them in a waterproof container on grandpaws farm, under the manure pile,  until needed. Same for weapons. And, yes, since the advent of numeric controlled machines, all you need is a 3D drawing and you can crank out almost anything. There are millions in this country that are serious about being able to protect themselves, no matter the cost and the number is growing every day.

I was looking at a site today devoted to trading guns. I concluded that people are frantically trading so they can defeat the FEDS ability to trace weapons.  They are also trading ammo, which often is sold out (popular calibers) in most stores. If someone finds some popular rounds that they can't use they will buy them and later trade with some for what they need..I really have never seen the public so worked up about owning guns and plenty of ammo.  Of course our economy is another reason people are fearful and thus have decided that self protection, via guns,  might be necessary..

 

 



Just one thought...no matter how well oiled and sealed the guns are, if you bury them they can be found by even the cheapest metal detector, and the ones the government will be using will be state-of-the-art. Some believe that limestone caves are safe from metal detection, but even if this were true...high frequency sound waves can be used. Burying them under manure piles won't work. Maybe under the floors of metal buildings, but with today's technology...I seriously doubt if there are any safe hiding places. The modern detectors not only find the metal, they show on a screen exactly what it is and how deep it's buried. Any other suggestions?


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Posted on Fri, Jan 18, 2013 05:50

Outstanding L4L going on my facebook page! And you're correct its all "common sense"!



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Posted on Thu, Jan 17, 2013 03:18

Hi DEKAN,

 

Be sure to check out the NRA's commercial.... I can't post a link here, but google it!! 

 

I also read this today:

 

Gun control doesn't work; criminal control is what works. Chicago has a hand gun ban, and more people were killed in Chicago in 2012 than US and coalition troops in Afghanastan in 2012.

 

DEKAN, I do not understand how anyone feels making certain guns "illegal" is going to assist in this battle.. I mean, oh I guess I should! I see how well laws have worked with cocaine, heroin, ecstasy, LSD, murder, robbery, yada, yada... It will "surely" detour the "bad guys!" MY BADDDDD!!!    ;)

 

It's simply COMMON SENSE here.. 

 

 


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Posted on Sun, Jan 13, 2013 09:27

Hi L4L,

If I may I'm going to copy that put it on my facebook page. I was just reading about the new Miss America that was crowned last night last week hell I don't know. But she had to be politically correct instead of when asked tell them "if someone came into my house I'd blowing the fking head off" we need education and longer waiting person.... oh for God's sake girl just shoot their sorry ass! Now obama is whispering that it might be illegal to shoot someone in your own damn house! Are we supposed to make dinner for them? Schindler's List is a great example of what they want to do here. That's for checking out my blog.



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Posted on Sat, Jan 12, 2013 21:43

NUFF SAID.....


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Posted on Mon, Jan 07, 2013 09:38

Quoting Curious2078:

Hi, Liv.  Nice to see you.  I hope you had a wonderful Christmas and your going to be having a grand 2013.

As for Obama tears, I would not vote him an Academy Award.  It was a pretty poor acting job, if you ask me.  What's more--even if he'd given a good performance and actually had wet cheeks--for the President of the nation, the leader of the free world, if we can still refer to the President that way, to get up before the nation and weep about the tragedy was abysmal.  Unless he were giving a speech about the death of someone close to him, he should act like a leader. 

I, of course, am the wrong person to ask because I have absolutely nothing good to say about the man who is well on his way to "fundamentally transforming America."  So, I will now shut my mouth and try to behave like a lady.

Pat

 



LOLOL!!! PAT!!!! You have made my day - again!

 

Have a wonderful and prosperous New Year my dear friend!

 

Liv.



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Posted on Mon, Jan 07, 2013 06:41

Quoting optimyst:

They say its not guns that are the concern but the mental health issues maybe this is a symptom of the latter



I'm not from a culture of guns, i do believe in protecting the self, yet, i do agree with Optimyst and MissMonteCarlo, that, there are many youngsters affected by mental health that have commited these crimes. And there is a combination of factors such as people that have allowed them to reach that extreme level, as in for instance who has put those arms in their hands - and  so on. Mental health is a taboo as usual. 



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Posted on Fri, Jan 04, 2013 15:54

Mr. WWWW's and Dakota:  I certainly agree with your contention -- a rock solid fact, actually -- that the people who will make their own guns and clips will not be the average, hard-working, law-abiding citizen.  Heck, inmates, in prisons, have been known to make guns in the prison machine shops.  Thankfully, I don't think that has happened very often. 

 

And WWWW, I sure hope you're right about semi-autos not going away.  Even though I'm most definitely not smoking any wacky weed or anything else, I'm still paranoid about the Libs pushing through the kind of gun laws that will put us the slippery slope toward the valley of total disarmament.  Total disarmament for all law-abiding citizens but not for the bad guys. 

 

And you're also quite correct about people buying up clips right now.  Gun owners who never thought they'd want a clip or 2 or 10 that could hold more than 8 or 9 rounds are in the market for the much larger clips.  Unfortunately, clips of any size are outrageously expensive for the metal they contain and the simple machining needed to produce their very simple configurations.

 

Anyway, if I ever need a few extra clips I can't afford to pay for, WWWW, I'll know exactly where to find them.  LOLOL



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Posted on Fri, Jan 04, 2013 15:42

Quoting Livnlov:

Even though I would not go as far as stating that Obama had a hand in orchestrating this, this sad incident should definitely not be used as an excuse to take away guns! That will just weaken the people more, and weaken their defence. The crazies will always be able to get their hands on guns if they want to whether it is legal or banned!

 

What is needed is standby protection in schools and such target locations.

 

Having said the above, I do have serious issues with Obama's Hollywood 'tears' when he made his speech following the tragedy. I struggled to see the tears he was pretending to wipe away from his eyes, but I'm afraid, I failed miserably! There were no tears. I am sorry I have serious issues with that. The scene has replayed in my mind and it makes me uncomfortable. Who has seen it and how do you feel about those non-existent tears?

 

Liv.



Hi, Liv.  Nice to see you.  I hope you had a wonderful Christmas and your going to be having a grand 2013.

As for Obama tears, I would not vote him an Academy Award.  It was a pretty poor acting job, if you ask me.  What's more--even if he'd given a good performance and actually had wet cheeks--for the President of the nation, the leader of the free world, if we can still refer to the President that way, to get up before the nation and weep about the tragedy was abysmal.  Unless he were giving a speech about the death of someone close to him, he should act like a leader. 

I, of course, am the wrong person to ask because I have absolutely nothing good to say about the man who is well on his way to "fundamentally transforming America."  So, I will now shut my mouth and try to behave like a lady.

Pat

 



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Posted on Thu, Jan 03, 2013 20:26

Quoting wwww12345:

Any one who thinks big clips or semi autos are going away is smoking some funny stuff.  There are people who are buying clips by the hundreds and these are not traceable at all.  I bet they even buy with cash. All you have to do to hide them is bury them in a waterproof container on grandpaws farm, under the manure pile,  until needed. Same for weapons. And, yes, since the advent of numeric controlled machines, all you need is a 3D drawing and you can crank out almost anything. There are millions in this country that are serious about being able to protect themselves, no matter the cost and the number is growing every day.

I was looking at a site today devoted to trading guns. I concluded that people are frantically trading so they can defeat the FEDS ability to trace weapons.  They are also trading ammo, which often is sold out (popular calibers) in most stores. If someone finds some popular rounds that they can't use they will buy them and later trade with some for what they need..I really have never seen the public so worked up about owning guns and plenty of ammo.  Of course our economy is another reason people are fearful and thus have decided that self protection, via guns,  might be necessary..

 

 



I want to add to what WWWW12345 stated.

 

"And, yes, since the advent of numeric controlled machines, all you need is a 3D drawing and you can crank out almost anything."

 

This is a simple process.  There are a few ways of doing it.  Not only can clips be made, but so can the gun itself.  Using 2d or 3d cad-cam software a clip or gun can be designed on a home computer.  Once the drawing is complete and satisfactory the software writes a program that can be read by a CNC machining center.  A block of metal is placed in the machining center.  The program starts to run and from the block of material a clip or gun can be made.  That simple.  How do I know, because I have the machines.  EDM machine can also do the same. 

 

Second method.  Molds are created via CNC or casting from the actual clip or gun.  The molds can now be used to produce guns from plastic or metal using lost foam or lost wax.  This is a quick method to produce large quantities.

 

Third method.  3d printers.  A clip or gun can be designed on a computer and printed by a 3d computer.  A metal barrel would need to installed along with springs.  That simple.  If you have the money, there are 3d metal printers which could virtually print a operating gun directly from printer.  Metal particles are fused together by plasma.

 

So, if it is this easy...who will be most likely to do it?  Not the single mother that's working the graveyard.  Not the elderly at home alone.  Not the average working Joe trying to support his family.  No, it will be the people wanting to capitalize on the new black market, criminals, and nut jobs.

 

If you don't believe me, do the research to prove what I am saying is correct.

 

I'm in full agreement with WWWW12345 



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Posted on Thu, Jan 03, 2013 04:04

Morning Liv thanks for responding. I think he's a very cold and impassionate person. Unless it has some personal impact on him I truly don't think he feels. His being re-elected we saw the tears but like I said he was involved personally. I don't think we've seen anything yet. His true radical self has not become manifest to the world yet. He scares me and those that he associates with...especially the ones behind the scene.



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Posted on Thu, Jan 03, 2013 00:02

Any one who thinks big clips or semi autos are going away is smoking some funny stuff.  There are people who are buying clips by the hundreds and these are not traceable at all.  I bet they even buy with cash. All you have to do to hide them is bury them in a waterproof container on grandpaws farm, under the manure pile,  until needed. Same for weapons. And, yes, since the advent of numeric controlled machines, all you need is a 3D drawing and you can crank out almost anything. There are millions in this country that are serious about being able to protect themselves, no matter the cost and the number is growing every day.

I was looking at a site today devoted to trading guns. I concluded that people are frantically trading so they can defeat the FEDS ability to trace weapons.  They are also trading ammo, which often is sold out (popular calibers) in most stores. If someone finds some popular rounds that they can't use they will buy them and later trade with some for what they need..I really have never seen the public so worked up about owning guns and plenty of ammo.  Of course our economy is another reason people are fearful and thus have decided that self protection, via guns,  might be necessary..

 

 



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Posted on Wed, Jan 02, 2013 19:28

Even though I would not go as far as stating that Obama had a hand in orchestrating this, this sad incident should definitely not be used as an excuse to take away guns! That will just weaken the people more, and weaken their defence. The crazies will always be able to get their hands on guns if they want to whether it is legal or banned!

 

What is needed is standby protection in schools and such target locations.

 

Having said the above, I do have serious issues with Obama's Hollywood 'tears' when he made his speech following the tragedy. I struggled to see the tears he was pretending to wipe away from his eyes, but I'm afraid, I failed miserably! There were no tears. I am sorry I have serious issues with that. The scene has replayed in my mind and it makes me uncomfortable. Who has seen it and how do you feel about those non-existent tears?

 

Liv.



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Posted on Wed, Jan 02, 2013 14:50

there is no question that he was a screwed up idiot who went over the edge.  Gun ownership is a right in our country.  If we let that go we continue the slide into government becoming bigger than we are. The Japanese didn't attack our west coast because they were afraid of us as a people armed.  There are 300MM++ guns in this country and we talk about not being able to control 10MM illegal aliens.  Government isn't there to run our lives and we better stop asking for someone to save us unless we want to go the way of other countris before they fell.  How many more stadiums can we fill with "games" and give away free bread to keep down the mob?  they will eat us all if we let them.  when the poor people in a country have a problem being too fat, who can say they are poor and starving?  Who is John Galt?



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Posted on Sun, Dec 30, 2012 18:18

You are a lovely woman! Thanks for responding.



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Posted on Sun, Dec 30, 2012 09:34

They say its not guns that are the concern but the mental health issues maybe this is a symptom of the latter



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Posted on Sun, Dec 30, 2012 08:04

Well, Dekan, you know I don't think you're crazy.  Just crazy for freedom, crazy for free enterprise, crazy for understanding the need to keep our precious Constitution and Bill of Rights in tact...I could go on and on.

 

I had not gone so far as to consider that the current administration might be orchestrating gun violence as a way to stir up the Second Amendment haters and get more gun laws passed.  However, now that you mention it, such a strategy does sound like one that anyone schooled in politics in Chicago would be clever at devising.

 

2013 is going to be a very interesting year, I'm afraid.  The idea of putting serial numbers on ammo is on the political table again.  The costs to ammo manufacturers of doing this would raise the price of ammo so high that only the rich [read The Elite; you know the only people who could afford any luxuries in a socialist society] could afford to buy it.

 

 

 

 



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Posted on Sun, Dec 30, 2012 06:48

I know people don't like Obama but there is no way this was a planned event to get rid of guns. America will never loose it's guns but perhaps a happy medium would be to ban semi automatic weapons which have hundreds of rounds of ammunition. Thats going beyond the need for protection and is more aimed at mass murder. Australia did the same with their gun laws many years ago and they have not had a mass shooting tragedy since.

 

I don't think its unreasonable to ban these kinds of weapons. I'm amazed they allowed people to have these kind of weapons in the first place.

 

The boy who murdered at that school had aspergers. His mum was a gun enthusiast (whatever that means). The boy enjoyed playing violent video games. His mother was not very responsible there. A child who struggles to understand the the social world around him and he plays violent video games and has access to guns. His mum was a teacher which amazes me. You would of thought someone like that would know better. However these irresponsible acts not only contributed to her death but has devastated many lives and many families.

 

So we need to look at what went wrong and provide a happy medium solution. Keeping tabs on people who may be at risk and have access to guns. Giving you the right to bear arms but not semi automatic military style weapons. Thats not the type of guns they had back when your constitution was created.

 

To do nothing would mean we have not learned from this event and those lives have been wasted with no positive outcome. It would be shame 6 months down the line speaking of another devastating tragedy.

 

Sarah



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