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Posted on Wed, Sep 26, 2012 15:27

How about these (old) etiquettes...(general source: victiorancanada)

For a Lady:

A Lady should;

-Cultivate a happy temper; banish the blues; a cheerful saguine spirit begets cheer and hope.
-Be trustworthy and be trustful.
-Do not place a light estimate on the art of good reading and good expression; they will yield perpetual interest.
-Study to keep versed in world events as well as in local occurrences, but abhor gossip, and above all scandal.

-The following is said to be a correct posture for walking:  Head erect - not too rigid - chin in, shoulders back.  Permit no unnecessary motion about the thighs.  Do not lean over to one side in walking, standing or sitting; the practice is not only ungraceful, but it is deforming and therefore unhealthy.

-not stand with her hands behind her back. One hand may rest easily in the other. 

-be frank and cordial toward their lady friends, never gushing.

For a Gentleman:

A gentleman;

-says “please” and “thank you,” readily and often. 

-does not disparage the beliefs of others – whether they relate to matters of faith, politics, or sports teams.

-always carries a handkerchief, and is ready to lend it, especially to a weeping lady, should the need arise.

-never allows a door to slam in the face of another person  – male or female, young or old, absolute stranger or longtime best friend.

-does not make jokes about race, religion, gender or sexual orientation; neither does he find such jokes amusing.

-knows how to stand in line, and how to wait his turn.

-is always ready to offer a hearty handshake.

-keeps his leather shoes polished and his fingernails clean.

-admits when he is wrong.

-does not pick a fight.

-should not borrow money from a lady, not borrow money from a man without security and the intention to pay it back as quickly as possible

-should not discuss his possessions or their cost 

Both sexes:

-If you desire to be respected, keep clean.  The finest attire and decorations will add nothing to the appearance or beauty of an untidy person.

-A bad breath should be carefully remedied, whether it proceeds from the stomach or bad teeth.
-To pick the nose, finger about the ears, or scratch the head or any other part of the person, in company, is decidedly vulgar.

-A gentleman walking with a lady should carry her parcels, and never allow a lady to be burdened with anything what ever.
-If a lady is travelling with a gentleman, simply as a friend, she should place the amount of her expenses in his hands, or insist on paying the bill herself.

-Never sit with your back to another, without asking to be excused.
-It is as unbecoming for a gentleman to sit with legs crossed as it is a lady.
-Never thrum with your fingers, rub your hands, yawn or sigh in public.

-Loud laughter, loud talking, or other boisterous manifestations should be checked in the society of others, especially on the street and in public places.


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Posted on Sat, Oct 13, 2012 12:22

Quoting Curious2078:

JENKNEEE:  Rather a nice poem, actually.  Thanks for the post.

 

And best of luck with your dogs.  Were it feasible, I'd have two as well.  Fortunately for my Maggie--and for me--I can take her to work with me every day--and on most shopping trips [safe parking lots only] now that the weather has cooled off.  So, she rarely has to stay home alone. 



You're welcomed Curious. Sounds like you and your dog have the perfect situation :)



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Posted on Tue, Oct 09, 2012 19:17

JENKNEEE:  Rather a nice poem, actually.  Thanks for the post.

 

And best of luck with your dogs.  Were it feasible, I'd have two as well.  Fortunately for my Maggie--and for me--I can take her to work with me every day--and on most shopping trips [safe parking lots only] now that the weather has cooled off.  So, she rarely has to stay home alone. 



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Posted on Tue, Oct 09, 2012 19:11

Quoting Dakota35:

In a short time, things will once again start to align to the correct rhythm.



Oh, Dakota, do you promise?  Please?  Pretty please with whipped cream and a cherry on top?

 

LOL



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Posted on Tue, Oct 02, 2012 01:27

I know Im new into the blog world...although not new in life...

 

Maybe a logical/interesting observation made by a fellow member who emailed me about this; after posting this blog some days ago, about Ladies AND Gentlemen issues...there have been some new blog created on the very subject regarding being a gentleman...

 

I am just a bit curious on why it was not more "gentlemanlike" to just post such thoughts/questions on this blog instead of creating an entire new one when this exists just some day prior...dont know if its an ego or a cultural thing or what...but by some its considered a bit odd and even straight up rude...



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Posted on Mon, Oct 01, 2012 16:48

Quoting Dakota35:

In a short time, things will once again start to align to the correct rhythm.



Hi Everybody :)

 

  Hope, I think your son will probably be fine with his manners with you to influence him.

 

Dakota, there seems to be something you're hinting at. Do you follow politics and current events? I am going a little off topic here but I do follow politics and events to a degree but it is hard to keep up! So much is happening. So what is it? Do you believe we are in the End Times?

 

There is a lawsuit I need to catch up on involving Ron Paul and our ability to write him in and vote for him. So you see, you can still change your mind. I am wondering more and more if our president is SELECTED, not elected,hmm.



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Posted on Sun, Sep 30, 2012 14:03

Quoting Curious2078:

I hope you have a dog to love, Jenknee.  I can't tell you how many men I know who don't meet even 1/10th of the qualifcations for a gentleman that I was brought up with in the 40's and 50's to believe in. 

 

Rudeness--the list is endless!  Not holding doors while expecting ME to do so; etc., etc., etc.  I'm too tired to list all the rudenesses.  But I'm not too tired to remember to list INTERRUPTING ME!!!! Even when a man asks my opinion, and then I start to answer, I usually get no more than 2 sentences in when he interrupts to give me HIS opinion, which he's already given me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Men are really starting to bore the heck out of me.  Most of them anyway.  Oddly enough, this fact is not enough by any means to turn me into a Lesbian.  I can't even imagine that happening.  Women just do not appeal to me sexually at all at all.  Women appeal to me as grand friends I can commiserate with about their shortcomings to our [female ]needs as "different" human beings. 

 

So what am I left with?  The companionship of my wonderful, wonderful dog.  Although she can't speak English, she can communicate with me far better than most men I know.  She absolutely never interrupts me; always listens to every word I say--even if she doesn't agree with me or care to obey commands      built in to those statements.  Still, she clearly adores me and makes it clear that if I ever abandoned her, she'd be devastated.

 

Far more than I can say for any man I currently know.  Actually, far more than I can say for any man I've ever known or been romantically involved with.

 

ROFLMAO


Hi Curious, hope you are doing well. I agree with your post and yes, I have a dog and she is the best thing in my day to day life. Gizmo is getting older and I've been  wanting to get a second dog for the two of us. I may be rescuing a certain dog soon, too long of a story to tell, it's a waiting game right now. My beloved other dog passed a few yrs. ago and we both still miss her. I like having 2 dogs cuz they keep each other company plus I get twice the love too :)

 

 

I'm happy for you that you have your wonderful dog as you said. They are wonderful !! Gizmo  is always happy to see me. I don't know where I would be if I didn't have her doing her happy dance when I come home.

 

 

Funny how you mentioned the lesbian thing. I was thinking about it before I read yours. Women just don't do it for me, I almost wish they did,lol. I am the type though that female friends come before male friends and there is a comradery I have always felt with most women. Some women don't understand that comradery and they are a sorry bunch. I think a few on them are on this site ;)

 

 

Thanks for your post. Here is a poem that came to mind while typing.

 

 

 

After A while by Veronica A. Shoffstall

 

After a while, you learn the subtle difference

 

Between holding a hand and chaining a soul,

 

And you learn that love doesn't mean leaning

 

And company doesn't mean security,

 

And you begin to learn that kisses aren't contracts

 

And presents aren't promises,

 

And you begin to accept your defeats

 

With your head up and your eyes open,

 

With the grace of a woman, not the grief of a child,

 

And learn to build your roads on today

 

Because tomorrow's ground is too uncertain for plans,

 

And futures have a way of falling down in midflight.

 

And after a while, you learn

 

That even sunshine burns if you get too much

 

So you plant your own garden and decorate your own soul

 

,Instead of waiting for someone to bring you flowers

 

.And you learn that you really can endure...That you really are strong

 

And you really have worth

 

And you learn and learn..

 

With every goodbye, you learn.



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Posted on Sat, Sep 29, 2012 19:32

Hi Livnlov, yes sure many people were programmed with many of these and others (I have just posted a few I randomly found online), so which ones do you find (being from a famous country when it comes to gentlemens/ladies clubs) being old fashioned/dated, some examples please.. :-)



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Posted on Sat, Sep 29, 2012 11:03

Being a middle class British woman, manners and etiquette were drummed into us in our formative years until it formed the fibres of our existence. Whereas some of the things listed here are commendable, I however, find many rather antiquated and outmoded, seriously.



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Posted on Fri, Sep 28, 2012 20:56

Dakota35..I liked your sentence "once again align to the correct rhythm"...nice..it verbally has a nice rhythm in itself...but...what do you believe is "the correct rythm"?



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Posted on Fri, Sep 28, 2012 17:58

Quoting Jenkneee:

I actually think a lot of the etiquette you posted is great!! I want to be treated like a lady and for someone to appreciate my company and show it!!

I get disppointed  often with how crude and rude men can be these days. I have been patient for so long and have wasted so much time expecting a man to be a good one and it just doesn't happen.  I'm so tired of waiting!



I hope you have a dog to love, Jenknee.  I can't tell you how many men I know who don't meet even 1/10th of the qualifcations for a gentleman that I was brought up with in the 40's and 50's to believe in. 

 

Rudeness--the list is endless!  Not holding doors while expecting ME to do so; etc., etc., etc.  I'm too tired to list all the rudenesses.  But I'm not too tired to remember to list INTERRUPTING ME!!!! Even when a man asks my opinion, and then I start to answer, I usually get no more than 2 sentences in when he interrupts to give me HIS opinion, which he's already given me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Men are really starting to bore the heck out of me.  Most of them anyway.  Oddly enough, this fact is not enough by any means to turn me into a Lesbian.  I can't even imagine that happening.  Women just do not appeal to me sexually at all at all.  Women appeal to me as grand friends I can commiserate with about their shortcomings to our [female ]needs as "different" human beings. 

 

So what am I left with?  The companionship of my wonderful, wonderful dog.  Although she can't speak English, she can communicate with me far better than most men I know.  She absolutely never interrupts me; always listens to every word I say--even if she doesn't agree with me or care to obey commands      built in to those statements.  Still, she clearly adores me and makes it clear that if I ever abandoned her, she'd be devastated.

 

Far more than I can say for any man I currently know.  Actually, far more than I can say for any man I've ever known or been romantically involved with.

 

ROFLMAO



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Posted on Fri, Sep 28, 2012 12:48

Hi Ladies. 

 

 

 

I agree with JENKNEE.. Men were once much more adept at many things such as changing oil, or household repairs... etc... I have a very heavy office file folder to hang that needs to be placed in studs on wall... My MALE roomie.. 50 years old CAN'T DO IT! He doesn't hang ANYTHING in fact... He actually doesn't appear to do many "man things." But yet he cooks for himself everyday and does his own laundry, even soaking his whites! LOL... I guess that is what happens when one becomes 50 and has never been married or had children. For me.. It's a HUGE turn-off if a man can't do "boy-stuff." I imagine men must feel the same when a woman can't cook or doesn't clean. It's almost like we've created a major dysfunction in role playing throughout the years.  Women wanted "equal rights" long ago, (and I agree.. we should always have been allowed to vote as other races should have been as well) ... BUT.. in this "Equal Right Movement" came many more issues for society on personal levels to deal with. WE ARE LACKING BALANCE!

 

 

 

How do we get upset at men for not changing oil in our vehicle like our fathers did for our mothers, if we are not cooking at night, claiming exhaustion and picking up fast food on the way home from work? 

 

 

 

I also feel our world becoming so "technilogical" is a major contributor to this. Most men who don't do such things are either too busy, have never learned or just prefer, even if they have time, to pay someone else and not be bothered by something like fixing the washer. They are stressed from their primary roles as works prevails, being a husband, father, single fathers, etc... I don't really see anything wrong with men not knowing all previous "manly stuff", as long as it gets taken care of in a timely manner. This creates jobs for others therefore making them self-sufficient, productive individuals in society as well as establishing their "self-worth." Not everyone is meant to hang blinds or become a mechanic or be a "handy man." ... Nor is everyone meant to be a CEO. These type things have little to do with a "gentlemen" to me though. 

 

 

 

I consider a gentleman to open doors for women, elderly, dates, etc.., stand when a woman arrives to table, pulls chair out, corrects children when disrespectful to their mother, is polite and even says yes mam to women their junior. Those are things that matter to me. My son is not very adept at "mechanical type" things like changing oil. I am okay with this. I don't think this makes him less of a "catch"... But I certainy hope he opens the door at the convenient store for a female, regardless ofher age, looks, or race. He was certainly taught these things..

(Should you hear loud wimpering of a "young man" seemingly coming from the Florida area... Not to worry... it's merely my son reacting to a "beat down" from "mama".. Hahaha!) 

 

 

 

And now I have to go.. I'm going to text that young man and make sure he's implimenting these actions and being a "true gentlman." WISH ME LUCK! ;)



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Posted on Fri, Sep 28, 2012 09:18

Quoting worldmind:

Sure Jenkneee, the frames of both men and women have changed rather much, I think it is harder for people over 30 years of age than younger people...but maybe this is how things go...imagine the flower power movement and how "older" people must have reacted then :-)



In a short time, things will once again start to align to the correct rhythm.



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Posted on Fri, Sep 28, 2012 09:16

Quoting Jenkneee:

It is a scientific fact that men are becoming less than what men used to be. I will have to find the article on it. I will work on it and get back to you.

Even without the scientific proof, all I have to do is look around and I see it!  A lot of men don't do manly things that I grew up seeing. My dad could fix anything, most of the guys I knew worked on their own cars,etc.,etc.. I know someone will say auto engines are built differently now but there is a general point I am trying to make here.



Jenknee, you are 100% correct.  Seems that men are becoming more feminine while women are becoming more masculine.  Strange role reversal which make one wonder how it all got started. 

 

By the way, Jenknee...I think you are a great.  I still can't vote for Ron Paul though. :) 



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Posted on Fri, Sep 28, 2012 03:56

Sure Jenkneee, the frames of both men and women have changed rather much, I think it is harder for people over 30 years of age than younger people...but maybe this is how things go...imagine the flower power movement and how "older" people must have reacted then :-)



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Posted on Thu, Sep 27, 2012 22:47

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Jenknee...unfortunately, being a true lady is no ticket to a gentleman and vice versa...its a bit odd I think for many men of today to find a proper behaviour profile, as metrosexual..almost meaning a more femalized man is some kind of trend...which causes alot of distress maybe...or?



It is a scientific fact that men are becoming less than what men used to be. I will have to find the article on it. I will work on it and get back to you.

Even without the scientific proof, all I have to do is look around and I see it!  A lot of men don't do manly things that I grew up seeing. My dad could fix anything, most of the guys I knew worked on their own cars,etc.,etc.. I know someone will say auto engines are built differently now but there is a general point I am trying to make here.



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Posted on Thu, Sep 27, 2012 21:21

Jenknee...unfortunately, being a true lady is no ticket to a gentleman and vice versa...its a bit odd I think for many men of today to find a proper behaviour profile, as metrosexual..almost meaning a more femalized man is some kind of trend...which causes alot of distress maybe...or?



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Posted on Thu, Sep 27, 2012 21:12

 Jenknee yes sure I just came across this bunch...found some rather entertaining...doesnt mean I agree with all..but interesting to review maybe...and offcourse good manners etc are considered quality living for many...although there are tribes etc which are well run and stable with less of our etiquettes but another kind of etiquette profile relevant to their surroundings offcourse :-) 



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Posted on Thu, Sep 27, 2012 21:02

Hoping4love2000, yeah...well its amazing that some people need such reminders at all on what separates us from monkeys in the jungle or other untamed creatures...:-) Well congrats on being on the right track, as many are not :-) Must say that I think we have the most advanced and fearful cue system in Sweden..no one dares to break that line...and Swedes are usually not so outspoken by mouth but Oh oh if any man or woman tries...then looks will kill..or at least hurt :-) Another thing im sometimes a bit troubled by is being in an elegant dining place and a respectable lady(look alike atleast ;-) have had too many too drink and starts laughing out loud or as you all pro bloggers say LOL...öööh..nööö...



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Posted on Thu, Sep 27, 2012 20:47

Well easymantolove....then you should see our lawbook..when I was studying it, I had to bring a wheel bag to class every day :-) Its maybe rather good with so many then everyone will be good at something :-)



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