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Posted on Mon, Sep 26, 2011 11:41

While many of us were sleeping, a group of american citizens have occupied Wall Street. They say they have done so to protest against the 1 % of America who own and control our resources. The participants who have  occupied WallStreet say they represent the 99% of the population who gets repeatedly scewed by corporate america and they are tired of the people losing our jobs, homes and freedoms due to corporate greed.

 

Activist and filmmaker Michael Moore said: "What's hurting our country is WallStreet and corporate America owns our membes of congress, both republicans and democrats. Thats why nothing is being done for the people."

 

Most of us are unaware of this revolution, because even though the citizens have occupied WallStreet for 10 days now, and other groups have spread accross the country, such as Occupy America and OcuppyEverywhere, Occupy San Diego, and Occupy Atanta, etc, the mainstream media is not reporting on this. But that should come as no surprise, we've heard Gil Scott Heron say "the revolution will not be televised."  Its ok, because livestream online has been covering Occupation Wall Street LIVE, non stop.

 

Oh me, oh my, WHAT IN TARNATIONS IS GOING ON?  What say you? Are these protestors serious or are the "misguided" souls?



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Posted on Mon, Oct 03, 2011 12:30

Diana3316 Your words are so very touching, thank you. I can also say the same about you as well. In re-reading the first paragraph there was a thought that I started with but left out much of the details. My point is that there are secrets which are withheld from public consumption for a variety of reasons. My own experience is that we may never know the WHOLE truth about many events. 9-11,JFK,UFO's, or even the failure of an oil platform in the gulf. We need to always be on guard for misinformation, disinformation and a host of methods use to keep the truth from the light of day. Diana, I have enjoyed your writings more than words could ever say. I wish you every success in all your future endeavors. Your light continues to shine very bright in my heart. May God bless. Voyager The pleasure is all mine. I do appreciate the compliments. In being very, very candid I may not be the sharpest pencil in the draw however,from time to time I may have something to add to a discusion. If there is one thing I know about myself, it would have to be my limitations. I have been very impressed with your insight, and knowledge. In my humble of opinion, you Sir are wicked smart. I doubt that there are many topics on which you would have any difficulty. I have been an investigator for more than twenty years and I am living proof that intelligence is a qualitative construct and not as most believe quantitative. How else could someone like myself with an average IQ become such a very good investigator. Unless I've only become this legend in my own mind. I digress just a bit. Voyager, having said all of that I do consider it an honor that you've asked me to chime in from time to time. In my humble opinion you are at a good place with who you are. I think there are times when people make assumptions based on limited information. At the end of the day, if I really felt that you had crossed a line in the past I would have definitely commented. Additionally, I will miss you writings if you decided to leave. Looking forward to seeing you future words on here. Peace


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Posted on Sat, Oct 01, 2011 22:44

Mach, I just want you to know that I think you must be one of the nicest, kind-hearted individuals on these blogs. I really like you. You are always thoughtful and gracious, but could you please elaborate on your first paragraph? I'm not sure I totally understood what you were trying to say. And now….for your standard, run of the mill rant: It cannot be acceptable to think that there is nothing that can be done about what is happening to this country. On Friday, Congress did NOTHING ....they did NOTHING the day before....and the day before that. In fact they have done NOTHING all year long except obstruct, attempting to ensure Obama is a one term President. They want to say Obama is a failure....but in reality it is THEIR job to pass bills to run this country… FOR the people! Congress has held zero hearings on the economic crisis. If you lost your job last week; Congress didn’t notice. If you lost your home to foreclosure; Congress didn’t notice. If you can’t afford healthcare; Congress didn’t notice. If you have become wildly wealthy in country, I think that is really great and you should be able to keep a big chunk of it. There is absolutely nothing wrong with being rich. But no one got rich all on their own! They moved their goods on the highways we paid for; hired the best workers that we paid to educate; were safe in their factories/offices from fire, robbers, terrorists because of government employees and equipment that we paid for. Hope, had a blog not too long ago about “Paying it Forward”. Everyone knows what a lovely thought that is….but what about paying it forward to the next generation of Americans? Why is it appropriate to leave ruins for the next generation? Second rate roads, bridges, schools and worst of all second rate dreams. The middle class was not created through donations. It was built brick by brick, with sweat, hard work and through governmental policies that gave people a chance to pick themselves up by the boot straps and realize the American dream. Those people protesting on Wallstreet aren’t asking for handouts. They are asking for this country to address the massive economic inequity that has been allowed to occur, resulting in billionaires paying a 15% tax rate on their capital gains, while nurses, teachers and plumbers that do actual WORK, pay 25-30%. They are asking for the top tax bracket, for approx 1% of the total population, to be raised from 35% to 39.6%, for the upkeep of this country, education of future workers and jobs for the current generation of young workers that are trying to become payers into the SS fund. That means if you make 100 million/yr, you only get to keep 60.4 million instead of 65million. Is that really so bad, for the privilege to live in this great country and become insanely wealthy? They can say they earned it, but if they were born in Bangladesh….I doubt they would have become wealthy. Paying taxes should not be considered a penalty; it should be considered a patriotic duty and a privilege. In the words of Mae West, “Put your seatbelts on boys, it’s going to be a bumpy ride”. We saw the Arab Spring. We are about to see the American Autumn. It’s starting now.


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Posted on Sat, Oct 01, 2011 11:56

Diana3316 I enjoyed your post, although I had seen the video before. It did give me reason to pause. Having spent a number of years in the military where I had a Top Secret clearance. I was privy to information that the general public never hears about. However, I am not suggesting or implying that the keeping of secrets is not always in our best interests. It is often imperative to keep information from those who have bad intentions. It is so difficult to keep track of all the events happening on a daily basis. This difficulty is compounded by a media that decides for us what news is relavent. Can we really rely on the media to inform, I think if it helps their bottom line. We must always ask ourselves who benefits. There are a variety of sources that present some balance in their reporting. A person can find valuable information in the Times or Wall St Journal. Thankfully there are many other sources as well. Hoping It's always nice to hear from you and I look forward to reading your thoughts when you weigh in on the topic. Your insight is like a breath of fresh air. I can tell you the number of poeple down on Wall St has continued to grow. I listened to the Mayor on the morning radio, basically dismissing the people as misguided. If my history serves me, I believe the founding fathers were said to be misguided as well. rmac You bring a lot to the table, and your comments are spot on as well. I do agree there are many, many corporations who do not fall into the category of sociopath. Clearly, we are in agreement and the penalities should be harsh for those who taken advantage others with their manipulations of the markets and the banking world. Voyager Last but CERTAINLY not least, I have read many of your posts. You have on ocassion stirred the pot a bit here on MM. However, on this topic with a few words you've captured the essence of what is the bottom line. I skirted the issue in my post for my own reasons. If anyone researched and looked at all the major corporations they would find out what you've identified as the real issue. At the end of the day these indiviuals are untouchable. I agree with all that you wrote. I do thank you for comments, not that you needed my validation. I must sat it has been my opinion that you bring a lot to the table as well. I've enjoyed reading your thoughts on a variety of topics, and look forward to future comments.


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Posted on Fri, Sep 30, 2011 10:38

HEY THERE SISTA AND EVERYONE!! I have wanted to take the time to "review" and "learn" about this topic as to comment.. However, have not had time to do so... You will find I only comment on things I KNOW about.. and I am CLUELESS here... But wanted you to know I realize this is a serious matter and I WILL be taking time to make myself a more responsible American and keeping myself informed.. But, until then.. I AM watching and listening.. :)


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Posted on Fri, Sep 30, 2011 09:05

I really like the use of the Sociopath definition re corporations. So please don’t take the following as a critique. More like an expansion of the discussion. I don't think all corporations need to fit the Sociopath definition. The ones who make a product they then have to sell in order to make money generally don’t. There are exceptions. If they process and sell food that they know to be unsafe, they do. If they sell medicines or herbal remedies that are at best useless and they know they are at best useless, they do. The ones whose sole product is the manipulating of money generally do. The invention of hedge funds and then discovering they could make more money by hedging big and buying small on packaged stocks designed to fail, than the usual slower way of taking their cut from every transaction that went past them. Or the much slower way of investing and hoping the investments gained more than lost. If the persons who indulged in this (hedging big and buying small) or were responsible for this were all put in jail and the money they gained was given back to the little people who lost on the packaged stocks, our economy would recover much faster than it is. Broke people spend whatever is given them; thus creating demand which creates jobs to produce whatever is being purchased. Rich people when given money just tuck it away in safe places. This is, of course, the big fallacy in the argument against taxing the wealthy. If you say well what they did is not illegal, yes it is. Knowingly selling stock designed to fail is illegal. rmac


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Posted on Thu, Sep 29, 2011 15:27

Hello Dakota35 Evelyn7 hear let me ask you a question do you feel that there is a catch to buying the Iraq Dinars. Please reply allyours777 You said to buy, do you know something we don't, do you care to share such knowledge with us, if any. Please reply


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Posted on Thu, Sep 29, 2011 12:35

sistercounselor, I want to thank you for your kind words. I would like to point out that the analogy between sociopaths and corporations does require taking some liberties with the DSM III, the manual use to identify and classify mental disorders. But it shouldn't take away from the overall message. I would like you to know how appreciative and grateful I am for all that you bring to this site. You are a special lady whose insights, intellect and knowledge has been a breath of fresh air. I would be remiss if I didn't give a shout to so many others here who also have my deepest admiration for their incredible gifts. I can not single out any one person, because there are to many to list here. I can say as a fan of the many who have shared so much of themselves I offer my gratitude.


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Posted on Thu, Sep 29, 2011 09:00

Quoting machevilli:

Hello sistercounselor, I thought I'd wait to see if someone else would chime in on the topic. I am sometimes easily distracted so it's hard to stay on topic. I do believe you are spot on about corporate GREED. in fact, it is my opinion that one of the reasons "the revolution will not be televised" is because it will not be in the best interest of Corporations. This may seem like I'm going off topic by bear with me. My understanding based on my limited experience and knowledge is that sociopaths have some unique characteristics among them are that they are charismatic, intelligent, always blaming the system, saying it's not there fault that the system forces them to act the way that they do, free from the tension, anxiety, empathy and genuinely without conscience. Now let's compare the above with a Corporations, are there any similarities. I sumbit that any corporations doctrine of fiduciary (making money) responsibility combined with there legal status makes them a sociopathic incubator. Corporations are incapable of doing anything other than what they do because they are driven for one purpose, and only one purpose to make MONEY. Now the parallels between sociopaths and corporations are they are both intelligent. corporations usually hire the smartest, most persuasive and charismatic. Corporations often blames the system for what they do, in spite of the fact that they are the SYSTEM. Whether it is ENRON, GOLDMAN SACHS, or an OIL RIG in the gulf, their claims that they are just being competitive in a global market. Unfortunately, rarely are there expressions of guilt, anxiety of empathy for people harmed their actions. Can corprations who are structurally sociopaths be our best possible choice. I think not, in answer to your question they are not "misguided" souls. In fact, why isn't 90% of the population expressing its' displeasure at the coroprate world. Perhaps because we may already be employed there is a disconect. I say we all need to pay A TENSION. If not we will have tension in our lives trying to make ends meet.


Wow Machavilli! I enjoyed your comment. Love the way you said we all need to pay A TENSION!  You shared so much here and I thank you for the education..parallels between sociopaths and corpoations? I had never considered those. Truly, the sole purpose of corporations is to make MONEY. It seems like the 99% are standing up and expressing discontentment with the manner in which this money is being made. I often ask myself, "how is it okay for corporations t be wealthy in a same country where we have so many living in poverty?" I'm all for people making money, but I don't understand how we can do it at the expense of other people.  I'm all for spreading the wealth.

 

Again, I really enjoyed your comment. I don't know why 90% of the populations is not expressing its displeasure at the corporate world. Perhaps we are apathetic; perhaps we are too busy watching television; perhaps we are not UNcomfortable enough. But the fact is, more people are losing jobs, homes, pensions, retirements, savings. People can only take so much. Things MUST change. I hope the change is soon.



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Posted on Wed, Sep 28, 2011 18:32

Gee Mach, I really never thought about it in those terms….but now that you mention it, SOME corporations certainly do seem to exhibit sociopathic behavior. Not all…….just like not all corporations are job creators. I have ‘several’ friends that are one-man corporations, and they have never created one job! But they will admit, that they do it so as to pay less taxes then the rest of the working folk. One other thought: As long as big corporations can keep the masses bickering amongst ourselves over things like mosques, sharia law, Obama’s birth certificate, lettuce pickers….no one pays attention to what they are doing….and how rich they have become, while ruining our economy. There will be a price to pay and I fear it will be the middle class that will pay it.


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Posted on Wed, Sep 28, 2011 13:52

allyours777 be careful with the Iraqi Dinar, I looked into these years ago, and it's a risky bet.


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Posted on Tue, Sep 27, 2011 10:57

Fox News has reported this.


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Posted on Mon, Sep 26, 2011 21:09

Sister, I have not seen this issue covered, either on TV or the intranet. Unfortunately I must confess that I am poorly informed on what shananigans took place on Wall St. I did find this little tidbit though: Three times each year, the Congressional Budget Office releases revised estimates of its budget projections going forward 10 years. In January of 2001, just as President George W. Bush was taking office, the CBO projected that in fiscal year 2009, the federal budget would enjoy a $710 billion surplus. Today the CBO says that the budget will have a $1.6 trillion deficit, a swing of $2.3 trillion. Somewhere….someone…made A LOT of money. Hopefully others will comment. :)


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Posted on Mon, Sep 26, 2011 21:02

Hello sistercounselor, I thought I'd wait to see if someone else would chime in on the topic. I am sometimes easily distracted so it's hard to stay on topic. I do believe you are spot on about corporate GREED. in fact, it is my opinion that one of the reasons "the revolution will not be televised" is because it will not be in the best interest of Corporations. This may seem like I'm going off topic by bear with me. My understanding based on my limited experience and knowledge is that sociopaths have some unique characteristics among them are that they are charismatic, intelligent, always blaming the system, saying it's not there fault that the system forces them to act the way that they do, free from the tension, anxiety, empathy and genuinely without conscience. Now let's compare the above with a Corporations, are there any similarities. I sumbit that any corporations doctrine of fiduciary (making money) responsibility combined with there legal status makes them a sociopathic incubator. Corporations are incapable of doing anything other than what they do because they are driven for one purpose, and only one purpose to make MONEY. Now the parallels between sociopaths and corporations are they are both intelligent. corporations usually hire the smartest, most persuasive and charismatic. Corporations often blames the system for what they do, in spite of the fact that they are the SYSTEM. Whether it is ENRON, GOLDMAN SACHS, or an OIL RIG in the gulf, their claims that they are just being competitive in a global market. Unfortunately, rarely are there expressions of guilt, anxiety of empathy for people harmed their actions. Can corprations who are structurally sociopaths be our best possible choice. I think not, in answer to your question they are not "misguided" souls. In fact, why isn't 90% of the population expressing its' displeasure at the coroprate world. Perhaps because we may already be employed there is a disconect. I say we all need to pay A TENSION. If not we will have tension in our lives trying to make ends meet.


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