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Posted on Tue, Sep 20, 2011 22:21

At 12:01 am ET today, the military's repeal of its Don't Ask, Don't Tell policy took effect. Top Pentagon officials declared in a statement "gay and lesbian soldiers may serve in our Army with the dignity and respect they deserve" from this day forward. This moment marks historical progress for the United States after 18 years under a policy that prevented scores of service members from being themselves. The armed forces of most developed countries have now removed policies excluding non-heterosexual individuals (with strict policies on sexual harassment). Of the 26 countries that participate militarily in NATO, more than 22 permit gay people to serve; of the five permanent members of the United Nations Security Council, France, Russia, the United Kingdom, and finally the United States permit gay people to serve openly. Other nations that permit gay people to serve openly in the military include the Republic of China (Taiwan), Australia, Israel, Argentina, Canada. Anyone that believes in that Life, Liberty and pursuit of Happiness “thingy” should be very proud today!!


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Posted on Sat, Feb 04, 2012 09:17

Thank you for visiting and commenting Gary399. :) I wonder how the new policy is going? I haven't heard any negative press about the military's ability to function. To comment on your comment: There is some research that seems to support the idea of the mother developing an antibody to the 'Y' chromosome during gestation; similar to Rh blood factor incompatibility. I read this quite a while ago...so I don't know if it has been disproven or not. Apparently, the higher the birth order, the more incidence of homosexuality seen in males. However, that doesn't explain female homosexuality.


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Posted on Mon, Jan 02, 2012 01:00

There is overwhelming evidence that homosexuality in men is genetically determined.  Just google the topic.  The gene is passed through the mother.  If it were passed through the father, the gene would extinguish because homosexual men have fewer children (or none) and the gene would extinguish.

There is one other way of knowing for certain that it is genetic.  It is the answer to this question:

Who would choose it?????

Answer:  No one.   Therefore, obviously genetically determined.



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Posted on Fri, Sep 30, 2011 22:38

To All, Indeed, a conversation about a topic as controversial as this one can certainly occupy a great deal of time and energy. When I complained to a friend that I was devoting too much time to this…time that I didn’t necessarily have….I was told to think of it as societal activist time. Although my heart has always been emotional regarding issues of human compassion, equity and fairness….my body was dormant. Activism was never a part of my nature. But after a bit of thought, I decided that my friend was right and that it was time well spent. So mostly I just want to say ‘thank you’, to all of you that responded and offered discussion…. thereby giving ME an opportunity to find my voice…..and to also thank you for listening to my voice. I may not be able to change the world, but maybe I can change a few by inspiring them to also find THEIR voice regarding what is right and wrong. Let's move on.


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Posted on Wed, Sep 28, 2011 18:53

HEY GF! I was flipping through channels and watched a show on the DADT... OMG! Was I ever "enlightened!" Life can be difficult enough... and regardless of what some of my Christian friends and relatives believe... I stand by my conviction... SEXUAL ORIENTATION does NOT belong being recognized in the work force! I wonder how many gay people have lost their lives fighting for MY rights and those of my children!! They showed it cost $50,000 to "train" each individual for military... We BLEW I think it was in excess of $384 MILLION by all the ones who were fired.. (not to mention how much EMOTIONAL DAMAGE it caused to them and their families!) DADT should NEVER have been written... It was NOT exactly as simple as "DON'T ASK.. DON'T TELL.." It went FAR DEEPER with "tattling" on individuals you "thought" might be gay, etc... AND.. the military even wrote a "comic book" to EXPLAIN what it regarded! YES.. I AM a Christian.. YES.. according to the bible's standards.. it says men w/ men is a sin, etc... It also says many things I am not to do.. THAT I HAVE AND AM GUILTY OF! IT ALSO SAYS TO LOVE ONE ANOTHER.... AND NOT TO JUDGE.. AS WE WILL BE JUDGED IN SAME MEASURE... Sign me... Registered "Christian" faith Republican for PRO-CHOICE, NO DEATH PENALTY and NOW... AGAINST DADT!! WELL I TOLD YOU PEOPLE I WAS MY OWN ENIGMA.. Read my profile... LOLOL... I feel the world is messed up because it lacks BALANCE.. so I don't just go for what one side stands for.. I base my decisions on my own merit!


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Posted on Wed, Sep 28, 2011 13:25

Well, this kind of debate always takes up too much of everyone's time, but perhaps there is something to learn. allyours: I read your post about the child that killed himself because of bulling due to being gay. This is horrible, but nothing will change. Don't blame the children...blame the parents. Blame the teachers. This makes my point exactly. If no one knew this little boy was gay, then he would have never been bullied for that reason. Yes, it is WRONG for them to bully him but they are children and haven't learned better. It's up to the parents and teacher to teach them. Most of us were bullied in one way or the other while in elementary/high school. It's not just a gay thing, it's bullying for everything that is viewed as different. Fat, Ugly, Short, Tall, you name it. And let's face it, this happens to adults also, even though we may not be able to prove it simply because people are more stealthy and don't want society to realize they are bullying or discriminating. It's just a fact of life and everyone needs to accept that it will probably not change. Accept someone for who they are but let people know if you don't agree. Machevilli: Very good post. I can't say that I disagree with anything you wrote. Kudos Diana: You ask; "What kind of parents raise mean, heartless children, like that? The kind of parents that are selfish, that spend no time with their children, that were raised by bad parents themselves. This is what I speak of when I say the moral fabric of our society is torn in so many places. I'm sure your views and mine would directly conflict but you will continue to see this as long as there is not a firm and common sense stance on these issues. If I ever have children, and I find out they are bullying for any reason, the will get a spanking (yes I believe in spanking) and privileges taken away. I will explain to them that they may not agree with this little boy being gay, but you do not bully. Being gay is not the whole of a person, their is much more to them that. Hoping: As it is clear, you have learned your views from living real life. You have seen the good, bad, and ugly. These are things that cannot be learned in books or college. How can anyone argue with this kind of learning. My aunt is Jehovah's Witness and I understand their point on Flags, Easter Bunny, and Santa but surely as intelligent humans we are intelligent enough to know the difference. I view Jehovah's Witness as good people just slightly misguided (I have my stories). BUT....I will argue that the adverse event in our life makes us stronger. You are much more empathetic to other because of these life experiences. Life is hard for most of us and anyone that thinks differently is not living in the real world. As for God hating gays...NO, NO, NO...he hates the act of gay, not the person. Example: if you were married to a man that you loved with all your heart, but he was abusive. You would HATE the abusive part of him, but you still love him. We are all God's children and he loves us unconditionally, but he doesn't have to love our sins or the bad things we do. I have not made up my mind if being gay is by birth or by environment. Abuse can really mess up the mind, so it is my belief that it can be either/or/both?. Example: I was dating a girl that had a family member that came out of the closet. For years he claimed he was straight and pursued women vigilantly. He then moved in with 2 other gay men (this is Atlanta, GA). As a funny side note, the girl that I was dating told him not to hug me if he saw me. LOL He did it anyway...wasn't a big deal to me. But this is the funny part. I went to a wedding and he was there (after his closet escape). There was also a attractive woman that he had known for awhile and had a crush on (prior to his closet escape). I was checking her out as men do and also curiously watching him (I was not checking him out). He was also checking her out and looking at her butt. Funny that a gay man would be doing this. I told my girlfriend (his relative) what I had noticed. She told me that she questioned if he was really gay, because he had told her that being gay in Atlanta was the "in thing". But I also found out that his dad was abusive and always pushed him to play sports and be a "man", but he was not good at sports and kind of small. So, was he really gay? Was he born gay and tried to be straight? Did he become gay? I don't know. But I do believe that abuse can cause a person to change their sexual preference. i.e. I know a girl that is clearly a lesbian (sweet girl) she has always been very overweight while her sister was then an attractive. I'm sure she was made fun of by the guys and I'm sure some of the women were much nicer to her. Thus I believe this is what caused her to be the way she is. She has a wonderful Christian mother and father, they are sincerely good people. In ending, NO ONE should ever be bullied, abused, or however you want to say it, for whom they are. It is still my opinion that being gay is not normal or good for society. (okay, might be good in China where the population is out of control.) There are many gay Christians that will say that they know it isn't right but that it is who they are...I respect this. When I get pissed, I could make a sailor blush with my cursing. I know it is wrong, and I'll be the first to tell someone that it's wrong. I don't want any children to learn my bad habits. I'll actually tell people that it's a personal "FLAW" and that I'm working on it. It's not good for society. The key is knowing the difference between right & wrong and taking responsibility for our actions. It's funny that when we do something good we are ready to take responsibility for it and reap the rewards, but when we do something bad we want to blame others and to lay the blame elsewhere.


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Posted on Tue, Sep 27, 2011 07:02

allyours, I saw the story about the child's suicide. It is so profoundly saddening, that any decent human being should know that this kind of behavior, bullying, should not stand in a civilized society....not in the schools...not in the military....not anywhere. What kind of parents raise mean, heartless children, like that? Do they not teach "Do onto others as you want done onto to you"? (Oh except for homosexuals...and "others") Didn't Jesus say, "that which you do unto the lowliest creature, you do unto Me"? I say it again, the empathy deficit is profound. It can not be acceptable behavior to tolerate...and look the other way when others are treated in an immoral manner. And it is immoral! It should not ...and can not stand! I'm with Lady Gaga.


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Posted on Mon, Sep 26, 2011 21:58

HI DAVID... (DAKOTA) I have appreciated all your comments and yes, I tend to agree... I AM a REALIST and I know what can and will happen, esp to some of the men, who try to be openly gay in such a "macho" profession... I asked my ex-husband just a few minutes ago when we were chatting on yahoo about his experience.. He said back when he served in UDT Seals... (80's) there were no gays he "knew" of.. nor were there women... I truly find the saddest part of all of this.. is that gay individuals strive so hard to "just be normal" and the only way for them to feel "normal" is to stand up and say.. "I'M gay.. and I'm okay!! Hear me roar... " Then to boot... in order to be heard... I need "special privileges" so I can tell you I'm gay! And with the DADT.. many took it as an insult... not a comfort.... because they felt they were being told.. "You can't be who you really are... Sit down and be quiet!" It is so difficult to watch others strive so hard to "fit in".. There is never an easy solution to such emotional problems.. As a child I grew up a Jehovah's Witness... People ask me.. "What was the hardest part for you.. NO Christmas presents?" I always respond the same.. "NO.. every day in elementary school.. we would all be at our desk.. FIRST THING IN THE MORNING... and the principal would come on the speaker thing for the entire school and say "Good morning children.. Please stand for the Pledge of Allegiance... " So EVERY MORNING FOR FOUR YEARS.. this little girl that ONLY WANTED TO FIT IN.. would stand up, leave her desk in front of all the children she only wanted ACCEPTANCE FROM... and would walk out the door and stand in the hallway all alone.. while everyone else got to recite the Pledge of Allegiance and "bond!"... I STARTED MY MORNING LIKE THAT EVERY SINGLE DAY... It created many issues emotionally (among other abuses I suffered) .. but I would say that was possibly the most difficult for me... Sexual abuse didn't happen daily.. nor was it done in front of the 25 or 30 kids I wanted to like me most... I was such an emotional wreck as a child..I sucked my thumb til I was 12... Got caught hiding behind a tree one day sucking my thumb all alone and the girl hollered out what I was doing and laughed at me... I bet she's a mom now and had she known what I was enduring emotionally she probably would look at her daughter now and say.. "Thank God those things never happened to my little girl." When I had my job offshore recently.. one of the scientist we took out for research asked me about his kids getting older.. He said.. "I am fine now.. they are 5 and 8... but how do you handle them when they are teenagers.." I laughed and thought for a second... and I said.. "Look dealing with children is the same as we should all deal with one another. There are 3 major things I view in life that EVERYONE desires.. EVERYONE WANTS TO BE LOVED..." EVERYONE WANTS TO BE "ACCEPTED..." AND EVERYONE WANTS TO BE "HEARD..." LOVE your children DAILY... ACCEPT your children UNCONDITIONALLY.. and LISTEN to them when they want to be HEARD... If you listen to them about the little things that you already KNOW don't matter.. they will come to you with the big things that DO!" I honestly don't sense ANY of us are any different in this regard... I "sense" at the end of the day.. Most GAY INDIVIDUALS must want to be HEARD regardless of their sexual preference... ACCEPTED for who they feel they are inside... and at the end of the day... LOVED UNCONDITIONALLY... I guess that isn't much different than the 6 year old little girl I knew way back when....now is it?? Unfortunately, I feel their desire to be "heard" and "accepted" for their being gay.. has reached such a high level of intensity that now.. the "haters" have gotten in the way of people performing their jobs... and the gay community wants special privileges....When in reality... ONE'S SEXUAL PREFERENCE DOESN'T BELONG BEING "CHECKED" IN AN OFFICE, ON THE ROAD.. OR ON THE WATER... OR IN THE MILITARY.... Thanks to everyone for listening... and a special thanks to those who have maintained a certain stature of respectful conduct while "voicing" on such a sad subject matter...... I REMAIN PROUD OF ALL OUR MILITARY.. AND I CARE NOT IF IT IS A MAN, WOMAN OR GAY INDIVIDUAL.... YOU ALL MAKE ME PROUD TO LIVE IN THE LAND OF THE FREE...

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Posted on Mon, Sep 26, 2011 20:14

Diana I thought the title of your blog had a very nice ring to it. My, my, my clearly this is an issue that many feel very, very strongly about. Just for the sake of providing a little background for my perspective, I've spent a total of about 15 years in the military 8 yrs. in the U.S. Air Force, 3 yrs. Air National Guard, 4 yrs. U.S. Navy. I thought you covered the issue exceptionally well. I also thought that Hoping4Love made a number of excellent points as well. In my humble opinion the policy was outdated I am a person who has always believed that equality for ALL meant what it says. As a solider I didn't have the luxury to debate these issues, it wasn't a part of order and discpline except to the extent of enforcement by my obligation to report violators of any policy. The fact of the matter is that Dakota is correct as well. There were ocassions when servicemember would refuse to serve with someone who they THOUGHT was gay. So it isn't hard to imagine the reaction to a person who was openly gay. While the subjects of discrimination, racism, prejudice, inequality, and injustice have been a part of my experience in life. I have found that laws, policys, and rules may change, the one thing you can never do is legislate ATTITUDES. We all know that certain topics will elict very strong opinions this is definitely one of them. However, when a debate or discusion becomes a personal attack on others a line has been crossed impacts on all of us. I know I may not be the sharpest pencil in the draw, but I do know a personal attack when I hear one. We all have our own individual biases the hope is that we don't necessarily act on them. I have come to realized that there may be those who lack the fortitude and confidence to accept the opinions of others, and choose to attack anyone who doesn't agree with them. Fear, envy and jealousy are the kind of emotions that inhibit our ability for insight, enlightenment and self-knowledge which protects us from the character flaws that causes us most difficulty. I have appreciated almost all of the comments on the topic on both sides of the issue. Personally, I have never had an issue with anyones orientation, but the reality is that many do. Overall,I believe the change in policy was long overdue. Maybe we can now move on to address more pressing issues like the death penalty.


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Posted on Mon, Sep 26, 2011 19:11

Voyager, you should be a little thicker skinned. Funny how you will defend a group for their sexual preference but try to stifle a guys freedom of speach. So just get it through your head that there is freedom of speech here in the good ol' USofA, and I have the right to my opinion as you have the right to yours. The only difference between you and I is that I try to convey my opinion in a logical, respectful manner. Apparently you cannot as you become "annoyed" which overrides your brain. You do have a brain, right? I stand by my statement, being gay is a flaw, a defect, mental anomoly, or whatever words mean the same. And since I am a imperfect FLAWED person and Christian, then religion is brought into everything I do, but I interpret the Bible in my own way. Hoping4Love2000, I think the reason you and I see things as we do is because we are realist. Our knowledge, understanding, and opinions have been formed from REAL LIFE. In real life you have to use common sense to survive. In college I was taught all the liberal beliefs but no one is going to tell me how to think. When I hammer out my beliefs I try to put myself in other's shoes, feel what they feel. But I still want to keep it real and the real world is not perfect. Now, if I hated gays then I would definitely want them to flaunt their gayness to all the straight military guys on the battle field. I'd be against DADT. Let them wear camo t-shirts with big gold letters saying "Gay Pride with rainbows". Gays would be dying like flys in a frog pond. It's the real world, I've been around the guys that are totally control by testosterone and warped views. If the gay guy is taking fire from the enemy these guys would use a little vulgar language, say "I'm not risking my life for that FAGIT" and leave him for dead. Maybe not every case, nor ever guy would do this, but many would. Apparently Voyager doesn't understand how harsh the world can be. I've been in football locker rooms and heard guys speak and do the most awful things. The below post have given examples of gays being beat for revealing their sexual preference, so if I hate gays, I would be all for them screaming they are gay to the top of their lungs right in the middle of the battle field. Think about it, it is just common sense. If I were in a bar and there were guys beating the hell out of a gay only because he is gay. I'd step in and try to help the gay guy out. But if the gay had been repeatedly hitting (flirting) on a straight guy, and told to get lost, then he'd probably deserve a beating. I'd just call the cops to make sure he wasn't killed. I've spent entirely too much time on this subject. In the past I have debated all the controversial issues, from racism, to abortion, to gays, to you name it. One thing I've learned is that it is almost impossible to change someone's mind if their mind is set. It takes some kind of traumatic event to open peoples eyes. So most of the time, sadly, we are all just wasting our time in front of a computer. Better to laugh and make small talk, keeping it short. Thanks you Diana for being respectful in you post there are some things we agree on but would get much too complicated to debate. And thank you Hoping4love2000 for your post as I understand you much better than you know. I know you have a huge heart and spend much time and thought on these subjects before you post, mainly because you care. I tend to agree with almost everything you write. And Voyager, to help your annoyance, you really don't have to read what I write, but we do agree on one thing it is 2011, unless that was a question...you did put a question mark. In that case, yes I do believe it is 2011. :-) Kindest Regards to all, David


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Posted on Sun, Sep 25, 2011 21:29

MY PRECIOUS LADY DI... NO CLUE WHY MY COMMENT IS HIDDEN... I DID have a glitch in my computer when it posted.. but I saw it there.. I will try to reload it... The following was my comment: And if MM holds issue with it.. I;d appreciate notification of WHY? Lady DI here and I hold no issue... WE ARE RESPECTFUL FRIENDS... ***** HI MY LADY DI!! I hate how these posts don't come up when we post them!! GRRRRrrr!!! No doubt I will end up paying for membership again! LOL I have spent some time reviewing DADT and the history of it, etc... And I guess for me.. this is how I view DADT... SEX HAS NO BUSINESS IN THE WORK FORCE .. PERIOD!! (UNLESS YOU'RE A HOOKER!) LOLOL DADT, from what I see... SHOULD NEVER HAVE EXISTED IN THE FIRST PLACE... AND HERE'S WHY.... SEX HAS NO BUSINESS IN THE WORK FORCE!! END OF DISCUSSION.. HANDS DOWN!! LOLOL I don't go around when seeking employment making any declarations that my sexual preference in the bedroom is MEN... WHY DON'T I? BECAUSE MY SEXUAL PREFERENCE IS NO ONE'S BUSINESS!! IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MY PERFORMANCE OF MY JOB.. (unless again.. I am a hooker! LOL) NOR AM I ASKED WHAT MY SEXUAL PREFERENCE IS WHEN FILLING OUT MY APPLICATION.... And with our military.. IT IS A JOB... (YES PPL.. It's a JOB!!) And NO ONE HAS THE RIGHT TO ASK THEM ANYTHING ABOUT THEIR SEXUAL ORIENTATION ANYMORE THAN THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO ASK ME WHAT I DO IN THE BEDROOM... PERIOD! NOW.. the only reason I see anyone could ask.. IF THE PEOPLE THAT PAY THEIR SALARIES... WE THE TAX PAYERS VOTED AND SAID .. WE WANT NO GAY / LESBIANS SERVING OUR COUNTRY.. AND WE THE PEOPLE VOTED TO BOOT GAY / LESBIANS OUT!! (This would include police officers, fire fighters, etc..) Guess what? I did a little research... WE THE PEOPLE, as a MAJORITY, hold NO ISSUE with gay / lesbians serving our fine country... IT'S A POLITICAL AGENDA... Now on the sad part of it..here's what I also found.. Apparently it was introduced WITH ALL GOOD INTENTION thinking it would "protect" gay people if everyone was quiet.. WHY WAS THIS A BIG DEAL? Because BEFORE this was implemented.. gay beatings.. (some sadly to the death...) were going on within military... and basically.. our fine government (facetiously stated.. can you see me rolling my eyes?.. LOL) Well our government did NOT know what to do... (Which is actually understandable in this case.... WTH would someone beat someone for being gay) So our fine leaders felt by "NOT TELLING" AND "NOT ASKING" AND AH HA... IT WAS ALSO "NOT PURSUING" in the beginning of it all... well they felt this would "sweep it under the rug" and keep everyone protected.. But then when they did this.. and like I said.. I do believe they had "good intentions".. I do NOT feel everything our "fine government" does is with ill will... But with doing this... the "gay society" felt that they were being discriminated against even more harshly because NOW they were told basically to sit down and shut up! MY question TO THE GAYS SERVING AS WELL AS OUR GOVERNMENT? WHY IS MAKING ANYONE'S SEXUAL PREFERENCE KNOWN EVEN NECESSARY? SEX has NO PLACE IN THE WORKFORCE.. Therefore, the DADT thing should never have even existed.. as SEX HAS NO PLACE IN THE WORKFORCE!!!!!! AND THIS IS A JOB... So... my conclusion? In ANY job there are risks involved.. Accountants get headaches and paper cuts.. LOL Strippers can slip and fall in their heels.. haha.. Hey... I'm just sayin.. IT HAPPENS!! Police officers basically CAN face death on any given day... Fire fighters as well... and our military takes the lead because once we go to war... YOU ARE CORRECT.. WE HAVE THE FINEST MILITARY IN THE WORLD!! GO USA!!!! ;) Well... Gay individuals KNOW going into the military or on any job.. they can be "let go" at any given time and all that has to be said is "insubordination", "failure to perform required duties", yada yada... They face the same thing we do if our bosses determine they don't like us.. FACE IT... They don't have to have a REAL reason... Know why I lost my job working on boat offshore? BECAUSE I TOLD THE OWNER NO!! Two days later I found myself heading to NC for a teenager emergency WITH MY BOSSES FULL PERMISSION and I was ASSURED I STILL HAD MY JOB!! Guess what? I have never been called back, he has never returned my calls or emails and my pink hard hat and my $130 lavender special life vest and my favorite bible and some of my clothes?? STILL ON THE FREAKIN BOAT!! NOW WOULD THAT JERK OF A MAN ADMIT WHY I AM NO LONGER WORKING FOR HIM? ABSOLUTELY NOT!!! THAT'S MY POINT! However, "gay individuals" face an even harsher risk.. esp when selecting a career stemming away from "interior design" and "fashion design".. They face gay beatings and subject themselves to further scrutiny... DO I HAVE ANY ANSWERS MY LOVELY DIANA.. No honey. I sure don't.. I only have the one question I continually refer back to.. WTH does anyone's sexual orientation have to do with their job to begin with unless they are a hooker? Sign me.. FRUSTRATED Prolific Princess today! :) **** Let's see if it post this time!! ;) As always.. HUGS to ya! Love the new pics!!


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Posted on Sun, Sep 25, 2011 13:39

HI MY LADY DI!! I hate how these posts don't come up when we post them!! GRRRRrrr!!! No doubt I will end up paying for membership again! LOL I have spent some time reviewing DADT and the history of it, etc... And I guess for me.. this is how I view DADT... SEX HAS NO BUSINESS IN THE WORK FORCE .. PERIOD!! (UNLESS YOU'RE A HOOKER!) LOLOL IT SHOULD NEVER HAVE EXISTED IN THE FIRST PLACE... AND HERE'S WHY.... SEX HAS NO BUSINESS IN THE WORK FORCE!! END OF DISCUSSION.. HANDS DOWN!! LOLOL I don't go around when seeking employment making any declarations that my sexual preference in the bedroom is MEN... WHY DON'T I? BECAUSE MY SEXUAL PREFERENCE IS NO ONE'S BUSINESS!! IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MY PERFORMANCE OF MY JOB.. (unless again.. I am a hooker! LOL) NOR AM I ASKED WHAT MY SEXUAL PREFERENCE IS WHEN FILLING OUT MY APPLICATION.... And with our military.. IT IS A JOB... (YES PPL.. It's a JOB!!) And NO ONE HAS THE RIGHT TO ASK THEM ANYTHING ABOUT THEIR SEXUAL ORIENTATION ANYMORE THAN THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO ASK ME WHAT I DO IN THE BEDROOM... PERIOD! NOW.. the only reason I see anyone could ask.. IF THE PEOPLE THAT PAY THEIR SALARIES... WE THE TAX PAYERS VOTED AND SAID .. WE WANT NO GAY / LESBIANS SERVING OUR COUNTRY.. AND WE THE PEOPLE VOTED TO BOOT GAY / LESBIANS OUT!! (This would include police officers, fire fighters, etc..) Guess what? I did a little research... WE THE PEOPLE, as a MAJORITY, hold NO ISSUE with gay / lesbians serving our fine country... IT'S A POLITICAL DEAL... Now on the sad part of it..here's what I also found.. Apparently it was introduced WITH ALL GOOD INTENTION thinking it would "protect" gay people if everyone was quiet.. WHY WAS THIS A BIG DEAL? Because BEFORE this was implemented.. gay beatings.. (some sadly to the death...) were going on within military... and basically.. our fine government (facetiously stated.. can you see me rolling my eyes?.. LOL) Well our government did NOT know what to do... (Which is actually understandable in this case.... WTH would someone beat someone for being gay) So our fine leaders felt by "NOT TELLING" AND "NOT ASKING" AND AH HA... IT WAS ALSO "NOT PURSUING" in the beginning of it all... well they felt this would "sweep it under the rug" and keep everyone protected.. But then when they did this.. and like I said.. I do believe they had "good intentions".. I do NOT feel everything our "fine government" does is with ill will... But with doing this... the "gay society" felt that they were being discriminated against even more harshly because NOW they were told basically to sit down and shut up! MY question TO THE GAYS SERVING AS WELL AS OUR GOVERNMENT? WHY IS MAKING ANYONE'S SEXUAL PREFERENCE KNOWN EVEN NECESSARY? SEX has NO PLACE IN THE WORKFORCE.. Therefore, the DADT thing should never have even existed.. as SEX HAS NO PLACE IN THE WORKFORCE!!!!!! AND THIS IS A JOB... So... my conclusion? In ANY job there are risks involved.. Accountants get headaches and paper cuts.. LOL Strippers can slip and fall in their heels.. haha.. Hey... I'm just sayin.. IT HAPPENS!! Police officers basically CAN face death on any given day... Fire fighters as well... and our military takes the lead because once we go to war... YOU ARE CORRECT.. WE HAVE THE FINEST MILITARY IN THE WORLD!! GO USA!!!! ;) Well... Gay individuals KNOW going into the military or on any job.. they can be "let go" at any given time and all that has to be said is "insubordination", "failure to perform required duties", yada yada... They face the same thing we do if our bosses determine they don't like us.. FACE IT... They don't have to have a REAL reason... Know why I lost my job working on boat offshore? BECAUSE I TOLD THE OWNER NO!! Two days later I found myself heading to NC for a teenager emergency WITH MY BOSSES FULL PERMISSION and I was ASSURED I STILL HAD MY JOB!! Guess what? I have never been called back, he has never returned my calls or emails and my pink hard hat and my $130 lavender special life vest and my favorite bible and some of my clothes?? STILL ON THE FREAKIN BOAT!! NOW WOULD THAT JERK OF A MAN ADMIT WHY I AM NO LONGER WORKING FOR HIM? ABSOLUTELY NOT!!! THAT'S MY POINT! However, "gay individuals" face an even harsher risk.. esp when selecting a career stemming away from "interior design" and "fashion design".. They face gay beatings and subject themselves to further scrutiny... DO I HAVE ANY ANSWERS MY LOVELY DIANA.. No honey. I sure don't.. I only have the one question I continually refer back to.. WTH does anyone's sexual orientation have to do with their job to begin with unless they are a hooker? Sign me.. FRUSTRATED Prolific Princess today! :)


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Posted on Sun, Sep 25, 2011 12:21

Dearest Hope, If you think I was mean or disrespectful...I publicly apologize. But sometimes it is difficult to hear tone in emails or blogs. For sure, I can be an intense communicator and have been called on it in the past. I am Sorry...Civil Rights, not just for homosexuals, is an important issue to me. Yes, some may say this is not the right venue for it....but I am here. If I am told to "sit down" .....I will. Lololoo As far as I can tell, this is the first controversial blog that has gotten any action. I have tried in the past to bring up important social issues, but just got crickets. For this I am very grateful to Dakota and you for having the guts to respond. Ideas and beliefs can never be changed if we don’t ever discuss and explore them. My motive here is to get people to THINK about things….in case they have never thought about it too much before. My message is: There WAS an assault on our fellow citizens and it was not right or moral....no matter what the CAUSE is that makes them "the other". People can use the Bible to justify just about any position they want justification for....murder...killing enemy’s babies...killing non-virgins...slavery...incest....rape....beating women...hate for homosexuals....war....etc, etc. I am saying we should explore our values and actions, through and with rational reasoning!! As you point out, Hope, there are many, many ‘others’ in our society. PS: There have been 14,000 men and women terminated under DADT. They didn't talk about their preferences....they knew they needed to hide and keep it a secret. No... Haters suspected their preference, hunted them, reported them and the military terminated them due to this law. It was wrong to discriminate like that….based on WHO they are. Society changes...moral beliefs change. It used to be considered moral and ‘right’ to own and beat slaves!


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Posted on Sat, Sep 24, 2011 23:36

Hey VOYAGER... I am awaiting our precious Lady Diana's response to my and Dakotas thoughts... But while I await.. I am going to "SPLAIN SOMETHING TO YOU LUCY..." LOL (and I DO mean this in the kindest of fashions and anyone who follows me will KNOW this already!) In all due respect... I have been on here for a couple of months and never have I witnessed people outwardly dissing others as I have w/ your actions. It isn't right, it isn't productive and it certainly shows a lack of "class" and regard for other individual's feelings... True, I would not have worded my thoughts as DAKOTA did.. stating "human flaw"... However, anybody with half a brain of common sense knows we were created.. (be it by the big bang theory or a higher power.. CALL IT WHAT YOU WILL...) to PROCREATE in order to SUSTAIN LIFE... and a continuing environment and society... Procreation will never happen with same sexes... Erego... MUST BE AN IMBALANCE SOMEWHERE... Not too difficult for me to "see" this.. as we ALL have some sort of imbalance.. Take diseases.. CANCER.. How is it that some ppl NEVER smoke.. they get it and die... while others smoke like a chimney and get heart disease instead.. or get NOTHING and live long healthy lives? Alcoholism, depression,nympho maniacs, etc.. IT'S ALL AN IMBALANCE stemming in the brain... Child molesters.. GUESS WHAT?? IMBALANCE!! Now are child molesters BORN? Or re they CREATED? I believe that most are created environmentally. I do NOT however believe gay individuals on the majority are created.. I believe them to be BORN gay.. An "imperfection" just as hearing loss or autism.. due to whatever the cause! Now it was OBVIOUS this is what the man meant... Why not take it for this and convey your thoughts in a RESPECTFUL and PRODUCTIVE MANNER and have a civilized ADULT conversation versus attacking someone on every other blog for their opinion? I get so sick of people getting their panties in a twist over a word or two... All this POLITICAL CORRECTNESS and having to walk on egg shells as to not offend people...And have you any idea how difficult it can be to walk in stilettos anyway!! LOL Now society forces me to "make sure I say the right thing so as to not offend?" What about when I am offended? In reality... I don't care for usage of the word "flaw" ... but your REACTION to Dakotas words I find far more offensive... esp. when I go from blog to blog and see venom being spewed on the boards... I have never witnessed before! THIS IS NOT WHAT THIS PLACE HAS BEEN ABOUT FOR ME.. AND PEOPLE I AM TELLING YOU NOW...Watching people I have admired spit back and forth has not been pleasant! I have friends who have children born with missing limbs... autism... etc... Two of my 3 children have "hearing" disabilities, as do I.. Call it what you want.. but at the end of the day.. My children and I were born with an imperfection/flaw creating our lives to have more difficulty! WE DEAL WITH IT!! I read Mr. Dakota's second longer post and I even then understand what he was trying to convey. The more a spouse cheats.. the easier it gets! YEP! It's true.. Your talkin to a previous cheater! WE BECOME IMMUNE to our own falters the more we do them.. But MY MAIN GOAL here Mr. VOYAGER is this: It's okay to hold a different opinion.. We are not all going to be alike... There are some things you say I feel you are SPOT ON! Other times I differ w/ you.. But can't we all just treat one another RESPECTFULLY!! I mean.. Isn't that the whole problem with society today is the LACK OF RESPECT AND BLATANT DISREGARD FOR OTHERS FEELINGS? Do you not have the aptitude to find a better way to announce your feelings? If you have a "genius IQ" .. why not use it to IMPRESS the boards and not DIGRESS them... I've made it no secret that I absolutely ADORE and RESPECT MY LADY DI HERE!! We hold similar opinions on many matters and differ on others.. BUT .. we ALWAYS treat one another RESPECTFULLY... Perhaps if you see how SHE responds to adversity.. well.. you might learn a thing or two about TRUE HUMANITY.. and in the end.. is that NOT what you are fighting for?? PEACE OUT~~ from your Prolific Princess

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Posted on Sat, Sep 24, 2011 07:56

Unfortunately, Dakota and Hope, you both missed the point. “What DADT did was to find gay Americans unfit for military service to this country because of WHO they are and not because of HOW they performed their job”. This means that a homosexual soldier could be ‘outed’, due to no fault or action of their own (except possibly living), resulting in a termination of their career. A career they chose because they had a desire to serve our country. A career that in many instances cost the American government MILLIONS of dollars to develop. A career that in many instances was performed with honors and providing skills that our country desperately needs during these times. Just because it was merely found out they are homosexual, they were not allowed to serve. We have had gays in our military since the beginning time. But they served in secret and with constant fear of being outed. That must have been unbearable stress...on top of everything else they endured while fighting for 'us'. Although I have never served in the military, I believe we have the finest and most professional fighting force in the world and I am sure there are very well developed codes of conduct in all branches of our military. Your comments that these fine PROFESSIONALS would spend time “sizing up” body parts or wearing sexual preference T-shirts, is demeaning to them and not worth a response. Now for just a general comment on the subject: I am not sure what causes homosexual behavior, but I did read that homosexual behavior can be observed in as many as 30% of 1 million different animal species studied. When you label someone deviant or abnormal because you believe there is something “wrong” with their brain…how far do you take that notion? Is someone to be hated and discriminated against by society because they have a brain tumor, mental retardation, Parkinson’s disease? How about the elderly, where SOME become progressively more demented? Labeling individuals as “the other” based on the belief that they are different from your “group”, is a very dangerous practice. And just because the “majority” thinks or believes something, that does NOT make it moral or the “right” thing to do. Following majority thinking is what led to approximately 6 million Jews to be killed by Nazi Germany. Having beliefs grants no one privileged status. Beliefs…or if you will societal morals, should be based on ethical reasoning. Reasoning should be based on sound, consistent logic and not on emotion or social pressures…..thereby avoiding flawed conclusions. If our society is withering….I suggest to you, that it is due to our unwillingness to intellectually explore and solve problems. Failure to acquire and apply knowledge….failure to correct flaws in our thinking…leaves us ill equipped to create solutions to the challenges we face in living and living TOGETHER. How far do you think we would be today, if we had failed to correct the notion that the world was flat?


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Posted on Thu, Sep 22, 2011 14:16

First off... HI DIANA!! (and the rest of you) LADY DI.. (You just remind me of such royalty Diana3316) I absolutley adore you! :) Very interesting topic... AS WELL AS CONTROVERSIAL.... HO HUM.. Here we go.... DAKOTA... I must say.. I am HIGHLY IMPRESSED with your thoughts here and do not feel I could expound upon anything... HERE ARE THE FACTS LAID OUT: 1. Gay people will be abused as DAKOTA has stated.. Gay men are beaten to death in normal society for NO REASON other than their sexual preference. IS THIS RIGHT? HELL NO!! But it DOES happen... HERE ARE SOME STATS TO BACK UP WHAT DAKOTA HAS STATED: AND NOTE TO EVERYONE... I HAVE GAY AND LESBIAN FRIENDS AND ALTHOUGH I AM A CHRISTAN AND I REALIZE THE BIBLE DETERMINES IT WRONG... THE BIBLE ALSO DETERMINES MY HAVING SEX BEFORE I GET MARRIED IS WRONG AS WELL.. BUT I ASSURE YOU... I TEST DRIVE THE HELL OUT OF A VEHICLE BEFORE I EVER BUY IT!!! :) In the five major U.S. cities that have professionally staffed agencies that monitor anti-lesbian and antigay violence--Boston, Chicago, Minneapolis and St. Paul, New York, and San Francisco-- reports of anti-gay and anti-lesbian incidents increased by 172% between 1988 and 1992; The most common perpetrators of anti-lesbian and anti-gay violence-responsible for 50% of all reported incidents--are youths ages 21 or under; 94% of the perpetrators are male. About two-thirds of the perpetrators are unknown to the victims. 89% of all incidents reported to the New York City Anti-Violence Project in 1992 resulted in NO ARREST!! (This confirms to me that people are looking the other way as if it is OKAY behavior to attack people for their sexual preferences!!! It isn't RIGHT.. BUT IT IS REALITY!!! I AM A "REALIST" .. NOT AN IDEALIST... IDEOLOGY SOUNDS GOOD AND LOOKS GOOD ON PAPER.. BUT IT DOESN'T WORK! WE MUST USE REALISTIC FACTS! More facts: Youth As many as 7.2 million Americans under age 20 are lesbian or gay. 45% of gay males and 20% of lesbians experience physical or verbal assault in high school; 28% of these young people feel forced to drop out of school due to harassment based on sexual orientation. NOW LOOK EVERYONE... I DO NOT CARE WHAT A PERSON'S SEXUAL PREFERENCE IS... I too agree with DAKOTA.. I have and always will feel there is an "imbalance" in ones brain that causes them to be gay.. I think our Lady DIANA here is a beautifully stunning woman... BUT I DON'T HAVE ANY SEXUAL DESIRES AROUSED IN ME WHEN I ADMIRE HER BEAUTY... You couldn't pay me to be sexually attracted to a woman... (and I love money!! LOL) MY POINT IS: There MUST be something within the genetic makeup of a person that creates this... Is it their fault? HELL NO!! Do I hold it against people that are gay.. HELL NO! I have friends/ex- relatives who are gay... But I can darn sure tell you that if they joined the military I would want them to KEEP THEIR MOUTH SHUT ABOUT THEIR SEXUAL PREFERENCES FOR THE EXACT REASONS DAKOTA REFERRED TO SO ABUNDANTLY AND WITH SUCH CLARITY... (Really.. GREAT JOB DAKOTA!) A person's "sexual preference" should NOT be discussed or held as an issue in the work force to begin with!! When I go for an interview I don't tell people... "Hey, I'm not a lesbian!" And if I were.... I wouldn't "announce" that either!! I also understand how men who are NOT gay might feel uncomfortable living in such close quarters with gay men... They shower together, sleep in close quarters and crap together... There is no privacy! Boot camp and being sent to war are very much like a jail in respect to lack of privacy. I do not feel the "majority" should suffer for the "minority".... and I just can't see that MOST MEN WANT to be naked in front of men who they feel might be sizing their penis up! I know I might feel uncomfortable undressing in front of a woman I barely knew if she were a lesbian... Now am I uncomfortable undressing in front of my GF Paula.. Absolutely not.. because we have ALREADY ESTABLISHED a friendship and a respect of one another.. I say.. keep your mouths shut.. the same as we do in ordinary work forces... and establish connections with others.. Leave your sexual preferences out of the work force... I don't see a sign on any applications for SWINGER OR NON-SWINGER? TOYS? NO TOYS? PORN VIDEO? NO PORN? Anybody get my point here besides Dakota.. LOL And DIANA.. I truly couldn't agree with you more regarding "wrapping themselves in the American flag" and being "allowed" to be who they are... However, SEXUALITY does not belong in the work force and what sex someone chooses to sleep with is none of my business anymore than it would be anyone's business if I got banged by 5 Sergeants! (Individually of course.. I would check the NON SWINGER box! LOLOL) DAKOTA. I do find it sad that when your friends son died the fact he was gay was a topic... I hope when I die people will not look at me and say.. "Well, she sure slept with a lot of men in her day and could she ever drink, smoke and curse!" I hope your friends son did not only leave the legacy of "being gay and having aids" behind.. I'm sure he was soooo much more than his "sexual preference!"


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Posted on Thu, Sep 22, 2011 12:24

Diana, I believe everyone is put in this world for a reason. None of us are perfect as we all have our issues, some less and some greater than others. I believe the problem arises when we deny that we have a problem and push it out into the public as being a different normal. I understand that some issues and ideals walk a fine line. But as for myself, most of the time I can distinquish between right and wrong. I keep very in tune with society and what is happening in the world. The proud nation that America once was is not so slowly withering away. The moral fabric of our nation is torn in many places with the justification that we are progressing as a people. America has been degrading since the 70's in my opinion. People are not willing to own up to their own faults or actions. Recently the NYT published a article that ask young people about moral issues. "When asked about wrong or evil, they could generally agree that rape and murder are wrong. But, aside from these extreme cases, moral thinking didn't enter the picture, even when considering things like drunken driving, cheating in school or cheating on a partner." Is this progress??? What if this question was asked in the 60's would the answers have been different??? And we wonder why the divorce rate is so high...or do we really know and are in denial? A lady posted on this board about a hormone that was released during sex that bonds women to men. I believe men produce a similar hormone...BUT...When a person chooses to sleep around the body become less effected by this hormone as I believe the hormone and mind work in conjunction. Thus, the hormone produces less of a bond and multiple partner become easier. It's like doing something you know is wrong but the more you do it the easier it becomes for your conscious to accept. To get to the point and keep related to the subject of your original post; I believe the act of being gay is wrong and a gay man should say, I am gay and I know it is not normal and wrong. I will not push my bad trait on anyone else because it is not normal. The same as a drug user, smoker, or drinker should not try to get other around them to start these bad habits. As a society we should own up to our problems and take responsibly for our actions. As for gays in the military...I have no problem with it at all...I'm sure they can do the job just as well as the straight guys. But I do believe the "Don't ask, don't tell" policy was the best, if only to keep down trouble. Could you imagine military guys wearing t-shirts that say "I'm Gay" or "I'm Straight"...really why does anyone need to know and how would this positively effect their job? Guess you could say that I'm conservative and a bit old fashioned but that's just me, I try to keep a open mind and be fair. I've spent hours debating these subjects to a point of ad nauseum. We are all different and our environment has impacted our beliefs. The only way we will understand who was right and who was wrong is if we or our environment is impacted negatively. i.e. If America degrades to a point of extreme depravity then surely we can see where it started and it's progression, or will we be in denial. Diana, I respect your opinion be we will just have to agree to disagree. Now I must take responsibility for being on the internet for far to long and not getting my work completed. :-)


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Posted on Wed, Sep 21, 2011 21:16

Yay...thank you thank you for having the guts to respond!! I respectfully acknowledge your opinion Dakota and appreciate the time you took to articulate it. However, I believe you are mixing apples and oranges. What DADT did was to find gay Americans unfit for military service to this country because of WHO they are and not because of HOW they performed their job. I don't debate you that people are rude and abhorrent if they try to recruit you to their way of belief or life in an agressive manner. I AM saying that it is hypocritical for someone to wrap themselves all up in the flag and Constitution, while at the same time believing that the declaration "all men are created equal" only applies to white heterosexual males. Progressive thinkers believe we should evolve past that mind set....in order "to create a more perfect union". And if you want to bring the Bible into it...I think it says Jesus preached an inclusive message...not an exclusive message....and certainly not a message of hate....except for the money changers!


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Posted on Wed, Sep 21, 2011 11:53

Everyone is entitled to his or her opinion, but I think the policy that was in place was the best. So I am respectfully 180 degrees in difference with your opinion. I have no problem with gays serving in the military. I just think they should keep quite about their preference. Many of the straight guys will refuse to dress or shower with a man that declares himself to be gay. And some of the more alpha type males could be violent toward openly gay men. On the battle field gay men could be less likely to be protected by the other men. I know this sounds awful but the world is not a kind place. I do not feel that it is a requirement for one to voice his sexual preference in order to serve in the military, as by not declaring does not impact his job positively or negatively. In fact I would say that by declaring to be a gay would possibly negatively impact a mans military service. My business hired a openly gay man and there was problems between him and the other men. Some refused to work with him. I would have taken the side of the gay man if the reason was only because he was gay. But he was trying to push his beliefs on some of my younger teenage male workers in a sexually descriptive way. So I had to let him go. I would have done the same if I had hired a worker that was pushing religious beliefs in a extreme way while on the job. People have a right to their own choices and should not be subjected to someone trying to push their beliefs on them while on the job. I hire a person to get the job done not to change other workers around them. I'll give the example of Jehovah's Witness. I honestly believe they are good people in most ways ( I have a close family member that is one) but I very much dislike the tactics and persistence used to try to force others into their belief system. Thus this is why many people hide when they knock on their door and jokes are made about them. My feelings on gays (and lesbians) are that being this way is a mental/personality flaw. I do not believe that being gay is a natural thing but a human flaw within the brain, whether by birth or by environment. Nature proves this by the simple fact that two men cannot conceive a child, thus human life would not exist if this was nature's normal. A while back, I was doing business with a man that son was gay and died of aids. I told him that I didn't want to offend him but I believed that being gay was wrong but that it didn't mean his son was a bad person. He agreed with me totally and said he loved his son but didn't agree with him being gay. The Bible says that God "hates" gays. But the way I interpret this is that God hates the act of being gay but he still loves the person. My motto is live and let live, but with that said I will not sit idly by and let someone push something on me that I believe to be wrong. i.e. A man can tell me he is gay and I will say... Okay, your choice. But if I ever have children and he tries to teach my children that it is okay and a natural choice then he will be in for a fight. Just my humble opinion and I'm not willing to debate it as it's not worth the time or effort, with all due respect. One last thought. I've heard men say that being gay is sickening and that they hate a gay man...but...say that they are okay with lesbians...as it turns them on (porn). A guy that believes this way is wrong. In my opinion both are the same just different genders


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