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Posted on Tue, Oct 19, 2010 10:48

Quoting billzeke:

Question 5W's. Where would you rate Plagiarism in the total scheme of dishonesty??? With the growth of the Internet it seems to becoming more and more of a problem...


Definition of PLAGIARIZE : to steal and pass off (the ideas or words of another) as one's own : use (another's production) without crediting the source : to commit literary theft : present as new and original an idea or product derived from an existing source Plagiarism is certainly dishonest but it's impact can be varied. If you are plagiarizing for personal gain of some sort then you can lose your job or even wind up in jail. For instance if you write a exclusive stock market tip report daily as your way of making a living and someone takes it and sells it as their own work it is criminal stealing. Copyright laws are also protection for the writer. At the very lest you need to credit the source. When I copy and past something on this site I try to use the words "from the net", or search for the text" or "from a email" to alert people that I copied the text. I had rather put the link in my post but MM does not allow that. I rarely post the entire text and want people to read the entire article if interested. That way, the author will be identified and properly credited. To not alert people to your copy and paste is simply a lack of character and certainly dishonest. I would equate it to lying at least. I guess the person doing that thinks it makes them look smarter, but in reality it makes them just look dishonest. Most of us can tell when text is more than likely written by a professional writer and not the poster, especially when some specific knowledge would be required to write the article. About the only exception I make giving credit is a joke. Who knows where all those jokes come from. That is why I stick to what I know best. I don't have to tell most of you oldies what that is. lol


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Posted on Tue, Oct 19, 2010 10:00

Question 5W's. Where would you rate Plagiarism in the total scheme of dishonesty??? With the growth of the Internet it seems to becoming more and more of a problem...



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Posted on Tue, Oct 19, 2010 09:44

Does it mean that I am jaded if I just assume everyone is lying until they can prove otherwise?


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Posted on Mon, Oct 18, 2010 22:13

There is a interesting web site about lies. search for truthaboutdeception here is their mission and statement about who they are. Search for the text. We are a group of scholars, scientists, and working professions interested in sharing information about why people lie to, and cheat on, those they love. More importantly, all of the articles provided on our site are written by someone who has a PhD in one of the social sciences. Personally, we have all been deeply hurt by a loved one who has betrayed our trust. Professionally, our jobs provide us with the opportunity to investigate deception in everyday life - we work as scholars or have served as consultants to the security industry. Over the years we have had a unique opportunity to think about why people are so willing to betray those they love. We created this website to share with you what we have discovered - the "Truth about Deception"


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Posted on Mon, Oct 18, 2010 08:59

Here are some terms to look up on Wikipedia Perjury Making false statements Obstruction of justice Testilying The problem with lies is that we make decisions based upon information given to us by people that are suppose to be telling the truth. Sometimes these decisions can be a matter of life or death, sometimes they have serious financial or personal consequences. For instance, billions were lost by pensions funds and other investors because Enron and World Com cooked the books and made false statements in their reports. We all make day to day decisions based upon statements made by anyone from our doctor to our banker to our car mechanic. Here is a little of what Wini says about perjury. "Perjury, also known as forswearing, is the willful act of swearing a false oath or affirmation to tell the truth, whether spoken or in writing, concerning matters material to a judicial proceeding.[1] That is, the witness falsely promises to tell the truth about matters which affect the outcome of the case. For example, it is not considered perjury to lie about one's age unless age is a factor in determining the legal result, such as eligibility for old age retirement benefits. Perjury is considered a serious offense as it can be used to usurp the power of the courts, resulting in miscarriages of justice. In the United States, for example, the general perjury statute under Federal law defines perjury as a felony and provides for a prison sentence of up to five years.[2] In the United Kingdom a potential penalty for perjury is a prison sentence of up to 7 years.[3] " The key words are: "can be used to usurp the power of the courts, resulting in miscarriages of justice can be used to usurp the power of the courts, resulting in miscarriages of justice." Miscarriages of justice is why perjury is taken so seriously in law.


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Posted on Sun, Oct 17, 2010 22:06

btw, I am currently in the process of teaching someone the perilous consequences of lying to me. This is what my last student looked like after their lessons. lol

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Posted on Sun, Oct 17, 2010 17:57

Milore said: "Truth remains a better foundation on which to build a life, a love and a reputation. The problem with lies is that they create a web that eventually catches the fool who spins it. We think we can keep our deceptions secret, yet as one writer put it, "What is hidden will be made known, what is whispered in another's ear will be shouted from the rooftops." and "False statements are generally immediately obvious either because they are part of a pattern, they make a claim that is out of character for the individual asserting it or they conflict with the facts as we know them. " This is exactly right. It is even easier now days because of the web and the online data bases, archived video of politicians early speaches, etc. I sure would hate to be running for office now days unless I was squeaky clean. They can dig up almost everything on anybody. That is probably why I admit to everything. lol


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Posted on Sun, Oct 17, 2010 16:31

123,

 

Outstanding and interesting post.  Most lies are somewhat harmless, obvious to others and primarily serve the purpose of helping us feel better about ourselves.  A confidant of FDR once said that yes, FDR lied to himself and misled others about his paralysis -- he was "in denial" -- but it worked for him.  That determined refusal to "be realistic" about his condition caused him to run for Governor and President and to believe that he was an indispensable leader.  Although I may disagree with many of his political philosophies, he was bold enough to declare that America was the leader of the world and that we would accept only unconditional surrender from the axis powers.

 

Criminals on the other hand tell their lies for nefarious purposes.  Most of our lies clearly fall short of FDR's noble intentions and are less malicious than those told by criminals.  We men say alot of stuff to impress women that they probably view as lies -- not to make this a we-they thing -- and they tell their share of whatever one might call statements designed to hide intentions or mislead others about our intentions.  False statements are generally immediately obvious either because they are part of a pattern, they make a claim that is out of character for the individual asserting it or they conflict with the facts as we know them.  

 

Truth remains a better foundation on which to build a life, a love and a reputation.  The problem with lies is that they create a web that eventually catches the fool who spins it.  We think we can keep our deceptions secret, yet as one writer put it, "What is hidden will be made known, what is whispered in another's ear will be shouted from the rooftops."   Good stuff, 123, and yeah roger, we can tell most of the weak points in the profiles on this site at first reading.  The person least likely to see them is probably the subject and author.  

 

Think I'll address that issue by getting someone else to write mine...my only issue is that i might have difficulty with what they write.  Sometimes it's more fun to spare the truth and wallow in self-delusion.  Hey, it worked for FDR.

 

 



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Posted on Sat, Oct 16, 2010 19:18

I don't think the article posted is very good, but it will give you something to think about and perhaps spark your interest in further reading. Personally, I pay a lot of attention to the "polite" smile vs the genuine smile. I am also very good at asking questions and using logic that either point out that they are either a complete fool, or a liar. It funny to me to see people make the choice of being a fool rather than admit that they are a liar. I worked in a business where it was critical to spot the lies because it could cost millions, even billions. Some are easy to spot, like a contract proposal to build a major control center using a cheap design and operated by low paid fresh college graduates who they intend to never promote over twice so they will quit so they can hire a new batch of young college graduates. In fact, the lack of experience will likely cost you double or even cost lives. It takes about two years and about $500K to certify a controller and the were going to encourage them to leave about the 3 or 4th year. (this was a actual proposal by a major firm). Over the years, I probably reviewed 200K to 300K pages of proposals and hundreds of design presentations that lasted a week or more and it was absolutely amazing how many were full of lies. Sometimes it made me wonder how anything works at all. Now, if you consider the importance of honesty and character in your personal relationships, think about this. You are in a bad car wreck. What kind of mate do you want deciding when to pull the plug? What type of person do you want handling your estate? Giving you your meds? I do admit to a flaw in my own personality. Even when I know someone is lying, I just don't want to believe it. What would you call that flaw? I have a tendency to try to think that they just don't know better, but usually they do know better, they are just lying or being dishonest in whatever way. Now, should I have been using the word "lier", or "liar". For some reason, I have a funny reaction to the word lay, maybe it's that old song. I'm sorry, I get so confused in my old age. Now, don't look it up. Just tell me which is right off the top of your head. lol btw, in real life, I am a famous Chippendale dancer and 30 years younger than the age I posted. Just thought you would like to know.


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Posted on Sat, Oct 16, 2010 19:11

READ THESE IN OLDEST POSTED ORDER. OR START AT THE BOTTOM AND READ UP. Interactions and Reactions • A guilty person gets defensive. An innocent person will often go on the offensive. • A liar is uncomfortable facing his questioner/accuser and may turn his head or body away. • A liar might unconsciously place objects (book, coffee cup, etc.) between themselves and you. Verbal Context and Content • A liar will use your words to make answer a question. When asked, “Did you eat the last cookie?” The liar answers, “No, I did not eat the last cookie.” •A statement with a contraction is more likely to be truthful: “ I didn't do it” instead of “I did not do it” • Liars sometimes avoid "lying" by not making direct statements. They imply answers instead of denying something directly. • The guilty person may speak more than natural, adding unnecessary details to convince you... they are not comfortable with silence or pauses in the conversation. • A liar may leave out pronouns and speak in a monotonous tone. When a truthful statement is made the pronoun is emphasized as much or more than the rest of the words in a statement. • Words may be garbled and spoken softly, and syntax and grammar may be off. In other words, his sentences will likely be muddled rather than emphasized. • The use of distancing language. Other signs of a lie: • If you believe someone is lying, then change subject of a conversation quickly, a liar follows along willingly and becomes more relaxed. The guilty wants the subject changed; an innocent person may be confused by the sudden change in topics and will want to back to the previous subject. • Using humor or sarcasm to avoid a subject. Final Notes: Obviously, just because someone exhibits one or more of these signs does not make them a liar. The above behaviors should be compared to a persons base (normal) behavior whenever possible. Most lie detecting experts agree that a combination of body language and other cues must be used to make an educated guess on whether someone is telling the truth or a lie.


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Posted on Sat, Oct 16, 2010 19:10

Introduction to Detecting Lies: The following techniques to telling if someone is lying are often used by police and security experts. This knowledge is also useful for managers, employers, and for anyone to use in everyday situations where telling the truth from a lie can help prevent you from being a victim of fraud/scams and other deceptions. Signs of Deception: Body Language of Lies: • Physical expression will be limited and stiff, with few arm and hand movements. Hand, arm and leg movement are toward their own body the liar takes up less space. • A person who is lying to you will avoid making eye contact. • Hands touching their face, throat & mouth. Touching or scratching the nose or behind their ear. Not likely to touch his chest/heart with an open hand. Emotional Gestures & Contradiction • Timing and duration of emotional gestures and emotions are off a normal pace. The display of emotion is delayed, stays longer it would naturally, then stops suddenly. • Timing is off between emotions gestures/expressions and words. Example: Someone says "I love it!" when receiving a gift, and then smile after making that statement, rather then at the same time the statement is made. • Gestures/expressions don’t match the verbal statement, such as frowning when saying “I love you.” • Expressions are limited to mouth movements when someone is faking emotions (like happy, surprised, sad, awe, )instead of the whole face. For example; when someone smiles naturally their whole face is involved: jaw/cheek movement, eyes and forehead push down, etc. Also see our article on micro expressions & lying.


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Posted on Sat, Oct 16, 2010 19:09

Sometimes I read profiles just seeing if I can spot the liars. You know, the one who makes over 150K but never mentions their job and education. Or the one who claims to have retired, like the one I met once. Turns out she was on a severe and dangerous mental disability. Or the 49 year old who is obviously either 65 or she spent most of her life in prison or on booze or meth. Anyway, on the next post I will post some tips about spotting liars, from a web page article.. Search for some of the text to find the entire article.


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