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Posted on Sat, Oct 16, 2010 01:52

Oh what a tangled web we weave When first we practice to deceive. - Sir Walter Scott (Marmion, 1808) It constantly amazes me of the people that think they can tell lies, distortions, lies by omission, etc. and not get caught. I guess it is the mark of a true psychopath to believe they are smarter than others. I personally mark in my memory, maybe for dozens of years, things that don't sound right. Then I keep my eye out for years for validation of my suspicions. I wonder if the psychopaths realize that many people do what I do? I wonder if they know that some things can be remembered for 40-50-even 90 years. My guess is: Probably not. What fools they must be. Some proverbs along the same line. “Give a man enough rope and he'll hang himself.” “You made your bed, now lie in it” “Bad news travels fast” And you know what? They are really angry and upset when it hits the fan, the bed has bugs and rocks, and everyone knows. Imagine that. lol I posted several post along this subject line. Please read the oldest posts first.


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Posted on Wed, Nov 10, 2010 20:37

oh my God, I'm only 25 and I've seen more liars and deceivers than I ever thought could be possible! I mean I know people lie for a whole host of reasons whether it be they like the drama or mental illness but what the hell people!! Life is so much easier when you're just honest about EVERYTHING. I don't lie, I'm not afraid of hurting someones feelings and lying I rather hurt your feelings but be honest lol It's like Judge Judy says "if you're going to lie you need good memory to remember everything you've lied about" and I DON'T have the good memory and don't appreciate being lied to so I don't do it....I feel like I'm rambling so I'll stop here. :)


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Posted on Wed, Nov 10, 2010 14:58

I ran across a couple of good articles on pathological liars. Here is a little short cut and paste from one of them. Please search for the entire article, it's interesting. Pathological Lying: Symptom or Disease? By Charles C Dike, MD, MPH, MRCPsych | June 1, 2008 Pathological lying (PL) is a controversial topic. There is, as yet, no consensus in the psychiatric community on its definition, although there is general agreement on its core elements. PL is characterized by a long history (maybe lifelong) of frequent and repeated lying for which no apparent psychological motive or external benefit can be discerned. While ordinary lies are goal-directed and are told to obtain external benefit or to avoid punishment, pathological lies often appear purposeless. In some cases, they might be self-incriminating or damaging, which makes the behavior even more incomprehensible. ..... SKIP TEXT... .... The further observation that pathological liars usually have sound judgment in other matters and the observed association of PL with other criminal behavior in approximately half of the cases supports the notion of intact reality testing. The crimes associated with PL include theft, swindling, forgery, and plagiarism. 4 It is worth noting, however, that some pathological liars are successful professionals without any public record of crime.


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Posted on Fri, Oct 29, 2010 19:29

Yes...don't forget to vote!!!


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Posted on Fri, Oct 22, 2010 18:39

Quoting wwww12345:

I am really getting upset now. No one has ever stolen anything I have written. Neither has my picture been stolen and put on a scammers profile. What's the matter? Am I not good enough to steal from? I need to see my shrink now, my self esteem is at rock bottom. lol ps,, I may be setting up a non profit for my medical care. Just thought you might like to know early.


Not to worry, B.  Your first 5 sentences above are terrific.  I'm stealing them from you as we speak.  I wouldn't want you to have to walk around with rock-bottom low self-esteem.  LOL



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Posted on Thu, Oct 21, 2010 13:01

Marriage is like putting your hand into a bag of snakes in the hope of pulling out an eel. Leonardo da Vinci Common Sense is that which judges the things given to it by other senses. Leonardo da Vinci


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Posted on Thu, Oct 21, 2010 12:59

 

 

The greatest deception men suffer is from their own opinions.
Leonardo Da Vinci

 

The petty man is eager to make boasts, yet desires that others should believe in him. He enthusiastically engages in deception, yet wants others to have affection for him. He conducts himself like an animal, yet wants others to think well of him.
Xun ZI



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Posted on Thu, Oct 21, 2010 11:33

Quoting Curious2078:

No, Bill, I didn't have anyone in particular in mind until the memory of Weasel Woman came back to me.  Plagiarism just happens to be one of my pet peeves, to put it mildly.  I see it all over the web frequently, and your post gave me the perfect opportunity to vent.  LOL 


Very diplomatic of you, Pat. The party I had in mind appears to have been removed from this site by MM. I guess plagiarism was not their only transgression...



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Posted on Thu, Oct 21, 2010 09:23

Quoting Tinkerbelle:

Very nice Pat but i think hte problem is more insidious than that


You're probably right, Tink.  I just hate to see it that way if I don't have to. 



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Posted on Thu, Oct 21, 2010 09:17

Quoting billzeke:

""So many people, it seems to me, take advantage of this loophole out of sheer laziness and expediency with no particular wish to present themselves as the author of a piece of writing whose words express what they want to say far better than they could say it themselves.  Often, a few ethical nudges from a friend can guilt such folks into giving credit where credit is due.  As for the ones who can't be convinced to give credit where credit is due, see the next paragraph:""

 

Is that directed at anyone in particular, Pat??? LOL...

 



No, Bill, I didn't have anyone in particular in mind until the memory of Weasel Woman came back to me.  Plagiarism just happens to be one of my pet peeves, to put it mildly.  I see it all over the web frequently, and your post gave me the perfect opportunity to vent.  LOL 



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Posted on Wed, Oct 20, 2010 17:30

""So many people, it seems to me, take advantage of this loophole out of sheer laziness and expediency with no particular wish to present themselves as the author of a piece of writing whose words express what they want to say far better than they could say it themselves.  Often, a few ethical nudges from a friend can guilt such folks into giving credit where credit is due.  As for the ones who can't be convinced to give credit where credit is due, see the next paragraph:""

 

Is that directed at anyone in particular, Pat??? LOL...

 



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Posted on Wed, Oct 20, 2010 14:52

Very nice Pat but i think hte problem is more insidious than that


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Posted on Wed, Oct 20, 2010 12:40

I am really getting upset now. No one has ever stolen anything I have written. Neither has my picture been stolen and put on a scammers profile. What's the matter? Am I not good enough to steal from? I need to see my shrink now, my self esteem is at rock bottom. lol ps,, I may be setting up a non profit for my medical care. Just thought you might like to know early.


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Posted on Wed, Oct 20, 2010 11:44

Quoting billzeke:

Question 5W's. Where would you rate Plagiarism in the total scheme of dishonesty??? With the growth of the Internet it seems to becoming more and more of a problem...



The internet, including blogging sites such as this one, so easily facilitate plagiarism.  Even encourage it through immediacy/instant "publication" gratification; the absense of an editor who could send the "copy" back to the writer for corrections such as giving credit to the originator.

 

So many people, it seems to me, take advantage of this loophole out of sheer laziness and expediency with no particular wish to present themselves as the author of a piece of writing whose words express what they want to say far better than they could say it themselves.  Often, a few ethical nudges from a friend can guilt such folks into giving credit where credit is due.  As for the ones who can't be convinced to give credit where credit is due, see the next paragraph:

 

Speaking now of everyday bloggers only, many, I'm quite sure, deliberately plagiarize to appear smarter and more knowledgeable than they really are, have no qualms whatsoever about stealing from other writers, and pride themselves on being clever enough to do so.  I wouldn't go so far as to say these folks should be locked up in prison, but I would like to be able to pick up a hardwood ruler and rap them on the knuckles every time they attempt an act of plagiarism, thus forcing them to blog ethically.

 

Such is the extent of my kindlier, benevolent fantasies for omniscent control of plagiarists.  

 

Removing compassion and empathy from the scales of justice for a moment, and speaking to plagiarism in the main, I have to say that stealing is stealing is stealing, whether it's a grand theft auto or the seemingly harmless theft of someone else's written words.   As a writer who has had her words stolen and published by someone else who took full credit for them, I would still, after some 30 years, like to grab that weasel woman by her hair, throw her into a public trough full of icy water, and hold her there until she almost drowned--over and over again.

 

And that, all you plagiarists should know, is representative of the depths of the pain and anger that you instill in the hearts of the writers you steal from.    

 

 



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Posted on Wed, Oct 20, 2010 11:16

"The man who enjoys a dinner at your home should not feel entitled to depart with a few pieces of your silverware." this statement was in the article on the net: Rutgers professor’s sorry defense to charges of plagiarism by Laurie Morrow • October 16, 2010 • I would say the statement applies in a lot of cases when we are trying to help or be friends to someone.


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Posted on Wed, Oct 20, 2010 10:54

Bern im assuming by your blog and posts you have been a victim of an experienced liar. This is not good as you are one smart cookie. Beware all copy and pasters. Then read between the lines of what they are actually writing themselves on the rare occasion that they do This tells you much......


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Posted on Wed, Oct 20, 2010 00:54

Quoting billzeke:

Just make them prove they are honest. Sounds better. Not quite as jaded. LOL...



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Posted on Wed, Oct 20, 2010 00:51

Quoting PinUpGal01:

Does it mean that I am jaded if I just assume everyone is lying until they can prove otherwise?


Just make them prove they are honest. Sounds better. Not quite as jaded. LOL...



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Posted on Tue, Oct 19, 2010 23:08

Quoting PinUpGal01:

Does it mean that I am jaded if I just assume everyone is lying until they can prove otherwise?


I think you might have the right idea. Espec in this day and age.


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Posted on Tue, Oct 19, 2010 19:14

This is suppose to be a good book, by a famous researcher who designed tests to detect psychopaths. I haven't read it, but I need too. Without Conscience: The Disturbing World of the Psychopaths Among Us [Paperback] Robert D. Hare PhD Here are some reviews. Amazon.com Review "Psychopaths are social predators who charm, manipulate, and ruthlessly plow their way through life, leaving a broad trail of broken hearts, shattered expectations, and empty wallets. Completely lacking in conscience and in feelings for others, they selfishly take what they want and do as they please..." In Without Conscience Robert Hare argues convincingly that "psychopath" and "antisocial personality disorder" (a psychiatric term defined by a cluster of criminal behaviors) are not the same thing. Not all psychopaths are criminals, he says, and not all criminals are psychopaths. He proposes a psychopathy checklist that includes emotional/interpersonal traits such as glibness, grandiosity, lack of guilt, and shallow emotions, as well as social deviance traits such as impulsiveness, lack of responsibility, and antisocial behavior. His writing is lucid and illustrated with numerous anecdotes. The final chapter, "A Survival Guide," is especially recommended: as Hare writes, "Psychopaths are found in every segment of society, and there is a good chance that eventually you will have a painful or humiliating encounter with one." --This text refers to an out of print or unavailable edition of this title. From Publishers Weekly This work of pop psychology merits attention because Hare has pioneered in the field of psychopathy, which is still in a formative state. Psychopaths, he asserts, are neither sociopaths nor psychotics but rather are people who are well aware of the difference between right and wrong and ignore the distinction. Additionally, they are egocentric and have no feelings of empathy, guilt or remorse. They view others as potential victims, and they leave a trail of unhappiness behind them in those who have succumbed to their deceitful manipulations. Whether nature or nurture underlies their aberration is still uncertain; they are almost impossible to treat, according to Hare, because they are convinced that they have no psychological or emotional problems. Although, as he notes, much of the literature on psychopathy is scientific, Hare here presents material in a form accessible to lay readers.


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