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Posted on Tue, Jun 01, 2010 15:01

I flew over it yesterday on my way back from FL. The pilot never mentioned it but when I asked the flight attendent if we would see it she checked with the captain and I was told that if there were no clouds I could see it in about 20 minutes. She was right. From 30,000 feet it looks like a huge ugly brownish stain on an otherwise pristine blue body of water. The close-ups you see on TV don't even begin to show the magnitude. My first thought was to never buy a BP product again but that would hurt local American businessmen more than the company. I would instead suggest to any BP francise owners that they start looking for another oil company to represent. I think Obama should assemble as many welfare recipients who live in that area as possible; give them buckets and sponges and have them start cleaning up the beaches and the marshes. They might do some good. At least I would feel like my tax dollars were working...



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Posted on Sat, Oct 09, 2010 08:39

Quoting migliore:

BZ,

You sound like you're a Democrat :-)  Just kidding, I'd say you're a Republican.  U.S. taxpayers and shareholders are some of the most generous people in the world.

 


LOL... Me a Democrat, Migiore??? Hardly. But not really a Republican either. I consider myself a moderate Conservative... Free markets, as little government as possible, and tremendous support for the Military and National Defense. I am not Big Business but one thing I have learned is that if Big Bus. does well, I do well. I may not do quite as well as them but I do a lot better than when Big Business does not do well...


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Posted on Fri, Oct 08, 2010 17:09

BZ,

You sound like you're a Democrat :-)  Just kidding, I'd say you're a Republican.  U.S. taxpayers and shareholders are some of the most generous people in the world.

 



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Posted on Wed, Jun 23, 2010 07:28

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Hi, Bill. The beaches here in Gulf Shores were clean and the water was clear a couple of days ago; however, according to the local news, they're expecting the winds to shift and the oil to be pushed back inland.

Hi Di. Glad to hear from you. How have you been??? Glad to hear your beaches are still clean. I have spent time in Gulf Shores as well as in Panama City and Pensacola, Fl. Some of the most beautiful beaches in the country as well as maybe the entire world. The courts just threw out Obama's ban on drilling saying he did not have the authority to arbitrarily do something like that. The Emperor is starting to shed his clothing. Any bets on when he will be running around completely naked??? Maybe we should start a pool...



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Posted on Tue, Jun 22, 2010 08:14

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I thought the Congressmen came off as spoiled rotten kids... what a spectacle. All of that posturing and pontificating as if they were not complicit in the oil spill. They remind me of Consultants who come in after the fact to shoot the wounded. Shame on BP for cutting corners and shame on the Fed for the greed that made them look the other way. Money talks. ... and now Obama wants to sue Arizona. I think Arizona should sue the Fed for dereliction of duty.


LOL Deke. That's how Congressmen and CONGRESSWOMEN almost always come off. That's why their approval ratings are so low. This year the incumbents are trying to avoid the incumbency label by describing themselves as engineers serving in Congress, arctitects working for the community, pharmacists for freedom; etc. Senator Kyl, R. AZ. and very well resepected be Dems and Repubs. is now calling Obama a liar regarding statements he supposedly made on immigration. Gen. MCChrystal has been called back to Wash. to answer questions about unfavorable statements he made in ROLLING STONE MAGAZINE about the WH plans for Afghanistan. It's day 64 of the oil spill. Obama's Presidency is disintergrating before our eyes. Nancy Pelosi may have rented that big San Fran. office a little prematurely...

 

 



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Posted on Mon, Jun 21, 2010 13:43

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T Boone Pickens is a billionaire who made a lot of money in oil. He was doing a lot of advertising with his own money a while back and also appeared on talk shows to further his agenda. He had some kind of plan to break our oil addition. I haven't seen him in quite a while though. He is 80+ years old so who knows what's going on with him. I hope he is not ill. Maybe he found himself a hot young honey on MM and forgot the environment all together'

 

 

 

I did see Tony Hayward testify. Very close to the vest and unemotional. He was blasted by Congress. I don't see much difference between him and our own Auto Co. CEO's who flew to Washington in separate private jets to beg Congress for money. They were ridiculed for that so when they returned to Washington a month later the carravanned in their own SUV's. How dumb was that??? CEO's are usually not the same people who handle PR and damage control. Pretty easy to see why...



So true, and, ultimately, his PR people also let Hayward down, at least in my opinion.  This spill has the public demanding answers, even if the answers to how and why don't fix the problem, they still want those answers.  PR is so important, as terror continues to spread, people react, en masse, in a funny way, and need to be assured that this man, a leader, is not just swaying in the wind.  I know he was hammered, it was to be expected, and he should have been coached, from my perspective, to exhibit some passion and reassurance.  That would have been congruent with public sentiment and need.  As it was, he came off self-protective and ignorant...exactly what causes further outrage during crises.



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Posted on Mon, Jun 21, 2010 07:01

T Boone Pickens is a billionaire who made a lot of money in oil. He was doing a lot of advertising with his own money a while back and also appeared on talk shows to further his agenda. He had some kind of plan to break our oil addition. I haven't seen him in quite a while though. He is 80+ years old so who knows what's going on with him. I hope he is not ill. Maybe he found himself a hot young honey on MM and forgot the environment all together'

 

 

 

I did see Tony Hayward testify. Very close to the vest and unemotional. He was blasted by Congress. I don't see much difference between him and our own Auto Co. CEO's who flew to Washington in separate private jets to beg Congress for money. They were ridiculed for that so when they returned to Washington a month later the carravanned in their own SUV's. How dumb was that??? CEO's are usually not the same people who handle PR and damage control. Pretty easy to see why...



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Posted on Mon, Jun 21, 2010 00:05

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Just out of curiosity how do you folks feel about Tony Hayward going sailing and Pres. Obama playing golf yesterday??? The media has been highly critical of both. I think they both have high profile; pressure packed jobs and there is nothing wrong with taking a day off. It's bad PR for both of them but they should do what they want with their time off.



Did you see the 4 minute excepts of Hayward's speech to the House?  Tragic...the man needs some ocean breeze, some perspective realignment, perhaps a wet willy.  Perhaps then we might see a bit more pep in his CEO step...ya think?   



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Posted on Sun, Jun 20, 2010 14:43

Quoting billzeke

Just out of curiosity how do you folks feel about Tony Hayward going sailing and Pres. Obama playing golf yesterday??? The media has been highly critical of both. I think they both have high profile; pressure packed jobs and there is nothing wrong with taking a day off. It's bad PR for both of them but they should do what they want with their time off.



I agree with you totally, Those types NEED to release the pressure or burn out. EVERYONE functions better after some time OFF. Those men are STILL HUMAN BEINGS, not machines. The Media in this country are just outrageous. I hate listening to ANY news programs anymore..all they do is trade in fear/suspicion / unrealistic expectations and sensationalism. .F- pr. They earned their time off.


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Posted on Sun, Jun 20, 2010 14:37

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I wish you were right Shaz, but it will take decades if not longer to achieve what you envision. You named a few examples of solar. How many are subsiized by the state or the Feds??? We have a smattering of solar projects in AZ. as well and the sun always shines here so solar makes sense for us. When they start using it in homes and in vehicles, in  meaningful numbers, I may become a believer. If you are looking for help from Obama, I don't think it's coming. He is on the verge of a failed Presidency. He couldn't get elected dog catcher today so his programs will never get through Congress. Even the Dems are criticizing  and deserting him. Time will tell but I think oil is going to be around for a very long time. It's a little ironic Shaz. This is the one time I think you and VL might have agreed on something. It's too bad he left. Se la vie...



Our Goven-ator put through the 1 million solar roof initiate > The cost IS high to retrofit, but enterprising Solar companies have developed a " lease program' that seems to be working pretty well. Cost to install whole house systems DURING construction is in line with the cost of the old mechanical systems. They dont have much in the way of mechanical parts. Passive solar works well ,too. It just has to be engineered correctly. Oil is finite. There will be an end. I hope it comes before we completely destroy out planet searching for it. Bill, I have seen things recently that I never thought I would live to see. I have faith that those who can make this come true ARE pursuing it right now. that Texas millionaire,,,T Bone Pickens i think his name was, he champions alternative energy. IT IS possible to do right now. Maybe not for the masses in all aspects, but certainly for the individual consumer.


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Posted on Sun, Jun 20, 2010 10:08

Just out of curiosity how do you folks feel about Tony Hayward going sailing and Pres. Obama playing golf yesterday??? The media has been highly critical of both. I think they both have high profile; pressure packed jobs and there is nothing wrong with taking a day off. It's bad PR for both of them but they should do what they want with their time off.



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Posted on Sun, Jun 20, 2010 09:20

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President Obama knew a speech would not stop the oil from gushing and yet he was drawn into presidential/political theatrics by the silliness of the media reporting he was not "emoting" enough... Mr. Obama is doing just what he indicated he would do several weeks ago with the exception he is now wasting time trying to "emote" in an effort to appease the media. Why they believe it is their job to establish his agenda is a mystery ... well, not really? Why President Obama and our electorate is allowing them too is very disappointing.

Mr. Obama is a one term President. Even his political base is deserting him and running the other way holding their noses as his popularity plummets and is now approaching just above 40%. He got elected by fooling a lot of people but like Abe Lincoln who Mr. Obama loves to quote said: ""You can fool some of the people all of the time. You can  fool all of the people some of the time. But you can't fool all of the people all of the time."" Much to his dismay, Mr. Obama is finding that out.



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Posted on Sun, Jun 20, 2010 09:14

I wish you were right Shaz, but it will take decades if not longer to achieve what you envision. You named a few examples of solar. How many are subsiized by the state or the Feds??? We have a smattering of solar projects in AZ. as well and the sun always shines here so solar makes sense for us. When they start using it in homes and in vehicles, in  meaningful numbers, I may become a believer. If you are looking for help from Obama, I don't think it's coming. He is on the verge of a failed Presidency. He couldn't get elected dog catcher today so his programs will never get through Congress. Even the Dems are criticizing  and deserting him. Time will tell but I think oil is going to be around for a very long time. It's a little ironic Shaz. This is the one time I think you and VL might have agreed on something. It's too bad he left. Se la vie...



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Posted on Sun, Jun 20, 2010 01:45

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Quoting Newman: ""The oil industry is worth over $20 billion a year in fees to LA which may explain why the governor wants to continue drilling; not to mention about 30,000 jobs.""

 

There it is in a nutshell. My point exactly. The residents of LA. are already experiencing tough times. The same can be said for AL. and MS. They don't want to make matters worse. Who can blame them??? Moan and groan all you want but the realty is we and the rest of the world will keep drilling as long as nobody wants to build nuclear facilities anywhere near where they live, continue to drive nice cars and continue to enjoy their creature comforts. Solar would not do well where you live, Shaz. I had a solar hot water heater on my roof when I first bought my house but only because the gov't. was subsidizing them when the house was built. It wasn't all it was cracked up to be because on cold winter nights I had to use an electric pump to keep the water circulating through the solar panels so it so it wouldn't freeze and the holding tank still needed a supplemental heating element. Once the unit started leaking I disconnected it because the cost of replacing it without the gov't. subsidy was astronomical. How many of you folks spend an hour or more a day on freeways going 2 mph with one person in your vehicle running your A/C and burning gasoline??? Any of you planning to start riding your bicycles instead??? What happens when a nuclear power plant explodes??? Teddy Kennedy was all for wind turbines as long as they were not off the coast of Hyannis Port. Everyone complains but says let the other guy make the sacrifice. It's a NIMBY society. Like it or not oil is not going away any time soon.  



I dont know where you think I live Bill. I am in a sunbelt in the SF Bay. Solar is already here and works pretty damn good. Ca has a gov program,, the 1 Million Solar Roof Initiative. Technology has made mighty strides in the last few years. Lots of the public buildings run on solar power.San Jose has state of the art Solar powered municipal buildings.They host groups from all over the world who want to use solar power. My own local JC has a model solar house they build to show the various concepts of sustainability.Ive taken a bunch of classes in that particular building. Works great. It can be done, it must be done. It will be done. Oil IS finite. Solar is infinite.


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Posted on Sat, Jun 19, 2010 22:33

Quoting Newman: ""The oil industry is worth over $20 billion a year in fees to LA which may explain why the governor wants to continue drilling; not to mention about 30,000 jobs.""

 

There it is in a nutshell. My point exactly. The residents of LA. are already experiencing tough times. The same can be said for AL. and MS. They don't want to make matters worse. Who can blame them??? Moan and groan all you want but the realty is we and the rest of the world will keep drilling as long as nobody wants to build nuclear facilities anywhere near where they live, continue to drive nice cars and continue to enjoy their creature comforts. Solar would not do well where you live, Shaz. I had a solar hot water heater on my roof when I first bought my house but only because the gov't. was subsidizing them when the house was built. It wasn't all it was cracked up to be because on cold winter nights I had to use an electric pump to keep the water circulating through the solar panels so it so it wouldn't freeze and the holding tank still needed a supplemental heating element. Once the unit started leaking I disconnected it because the cost of replacing it without the gov't. subsidy was astronomical. How many of you folks spend an hour or more a day on freeways going 2 mph with one person in your vehicle running your A/C and burning gasoline??? Any of you planning to start riding your bicycles instead??? What happens when a nuclear power plant explodes??? Teddy Kennedy was all for wind turbines as long as they were not off the coast of Hyannis Port. Everyone complains but says let the other guy make the sacrifice. It's a NIMBY society. Like it or not oil is not going away any time soon.  



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Posted on Sat, Jun 19, 2010 19:18

I just got back from Louisiana last evening, June 18th.  The Army, AF and Navy are part of the efforts.  The Coast Guard heads up the efforts which have put them in the news more so than the other branches of the military. 

 

The oil industry is worth over $20 billion a year in fees to LA which may explain why the governor wants to continue drilling; not to mention about 30,000 jobs.



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Posted on Sat, Jun 19, 2010 18:56

I could not agree more with what you just stated! I may be doing security for a company that contracts with BP. Its a mess out there with the on comming hurricane season it could get ugly.

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Posted on Sat, Jun 19, 2010 12:12

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Oil is evil, Shaz??? It's a commodity. Commodities do not have personalities; Good or evil. Apparently the residents of Louisianna do not share your assessment of drilling as their elected officials including the Governor are currently trying to get Obama to lift the moratorium on off shore drilling. I am as disgusted and upset about the situation as you are but I hardly think saying oil is evil and we shouldn't drill for it is the answer. Catastrophes both man made and natural have ocurred throughout history and they will continue to ocur. The people of Chicago will tell you that even a cow can cause a disaster. It's a fact of life. Oil is here to stay. At least for a while. Get used to it. One day there will be effective sources of alternative energy but probably not in my life time or yours.



OIl itself is not evil of course... Its an thing, not a person. But perhaps a conversation with the people who now have had their entire lives destroyed because of this free flowing well might change your mind. The consequences ARE EVIL and very long lasting.Millions upon millions of life forms will perish because of this. There ARE already viable alternatives that need to be developed and have to be. To say they wont happen in our lifetimes is at best pessimistic. I fully believe that we CAN do it in a few years. The development thus far has been thwarted by special interest groups and a few very wealthy oil/gas moguls. The grassroots of this country are already fed up with oil and the tragic consequences that befall us when disaster strikes.Or from paying our frenemies to supply us. And as you so kindly pointed out...disasters WILL always happen.Nothing is perfect and it will fail at some point. When the people of this great country finally get fed up with the status quo, things WILL change. Solar power runs the entire planet. Its here, its abundant,it does not pollute, its the perfect answer.USE IT...god did and it worked out great ! ANY change will cost time and vast amounts of money. SO WHAT. The ONLY thing that really matters is keeping our planet ALIVE. It's not like we have another planet " across the hall" to take our Great Pyrenees and migrate to.


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Posted on Wed, Jun 16, 2010 06:44

There was really no substance to the speech. Just more campaign type rhetoric rather than actual leadership. Blame past administratrations and spend more money even though he said he didn't know what he would spend the money on. Sounds like my EX reincarnated. There was a tsunami in Asia and the earthquake in Haiti. Within days our military appeared working 24/7 to deal with the disasters. Americans living on the Gulf deserve no less??? We have only the Coast Guard with limited manpower, equipment and authority working there. Where is the Army, Navy and the National Guard??? I can assure you they not busy guarding our southern border. A real leader would throw everything at this and not just talk about it. Obama is a one term President. This spill is to him as the Iran hostages were to Jimmy Carter...



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Posted on Mon, Jun 14, 2010 06:37

Oil is evil, Shaz??? It's a commodity. Commodities do not have personalities; Good or evil. Apparently the residents of Louisianna do not share your assessment of drilling as their elected officials including the Governor are currently trying to get Obama to lift the moratorium on off shore drilling. I am as disgusted and upset about the situation as you are but I hardly think saying oil is evil and we shouldn't drill for it is the answer. Catastrophes both man made and natural have ocurred throughout history and they will continue to ocur. The people of Chicago will tell you that even a cow can cause a disaster. It's a fact of life. Oil is here to stay. At least for a while. Get used to it. One day there will be effective sources of alternative energy but probably not in my life time or yours.



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