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Posted on Wed, Apr 28, 2010 09:00

The Obama administration is pulling out all the stops to ensure there are more votes for thei side in 2010 and 2012. They are pushing for voting rights for the District of Columbia and now this...There is a move affot to have Puerto Rico become the 51st state with voting on the bill taking place early this week in the US House of Reps. Three time in the lpast 43 year PRicans have voted against becoming the 51st state. The last time was 11 years ago.l They enjoy their commonwealth status which allows them to enjoy the protection and freedoms and even financial benefits of the US without paying federal income taxes.

HR 2499 would actually force a yes or no vote by PRicans on whether PR should maintain the current political status of the island. This sounds innocent enough until the second part of the legislation comes into play. A second vote would have to be administered this one giving PRicans no option but statehood or full independence if the majority expresses dissatisfaction with the current political status. Even if there is no dissatisfaction and the current political status is favored every 8 years from the passage of HR 2499 PU is forced to conduct another plebiscite on the matter at their own expense.

There are several problems that must first be exposed and debated before such a move should be made. Fisrt is creating a billingual country with addtion of an almost completely Spanish speaking state. Then of reassigning some seats in the US House by handing at least 6 or 7 over to PR which means it will take away 6 or 7 existing states of one representative because of the congressionally mandated 435 seat cap. The electoral voted awarded PR might outnumber of 22 current states. Before Ammerican taxpayers have to absorb and bailout another financially failing institution, this time PR. Both Americans and PRicans need to know and understand that this could just be a case of politians using this very opaque legislation as a means to whatever ends they envision not only for PR and the US, but also for the politival dynamics this situation might bring with it in the furture.

Contact your congressmen and send a message that you are unwilling to have them support such a bill until all the politiva, economivc and curtural details are out on the table for both the US and PRican citizens. Remind them to oppose ont he ground that it is a very bad move in the present economic and financial climate with the possible politial consequences precluding Amerivcans from being in favor of statehood for PR.

If this bill passes the Democrats could be running this country for the next 60 years!



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Posted on Sat, May 01, 2010 06:24

I wish a lot of people in DC couldn't vote! That is a wonderful picture of you and your grandson. You are a handsome man with a great smile!



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Posted on Fri, Apr 30, 2010 21:58

Quoting thenewman

LOL....and DC is?? 



DC is a district. They have a representative who can't vote.  Has something to do with jealousies between the 13 original states. My representative is Gabrielle Giffords. I wish she couldn't vote either. LOL...



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Posted on Fri, Apr 30, 2010 19:54

Quoting billzeke

Puerto Rico is a US territory left over from the Spanish American War more than 100 years ago. There are many US territories around the world. Guam, Wake Island, US Virgin Islands to name a few. None of them pay taxes as they are not states and have no voting representation. One of the fundamentals that the US was founded on was "No taxation without representation." Thats why the Colonists sought independence from Great Britain. That is what the Boston Tea Party was all about. I don't blame any of these places if the don't want to be states and want to avoid US income taxes. Most of these territories are the spoils of one war or another. They had no choice. Some other country controlled them before we did...



LOL....and DC is?? 



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Posted on Fri, Apr 30, 2010 19:11

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And they don't want to be controlled by anyone but the US is forcing them correct? At least that is how I'm understanding things. Will it just mean more control and votes? Because both Republicans and Dems voted for and against it.



It gives them the right of self determination. They can vote to become a state, but Congress would still have to approve that. They can vote to stay the way they are or to become an independent country or they can join another country, etc. I am not sure it's as big a deal as I originally thought it was.



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Posted on Fri, Apr 30, 2010 18:32

And they don't want to be controlled by anyone but the US is forcing them correct? At least that is how I'm understanding things. Will it just mean more control and votes? Because both Republicans and Dems voted for and against it.



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Posted on Fri, Apr 30, 2010 17:23

Quoting Sophia2048

They have to be fiscally responsible. They sould be paying taxes. PR are currently getting services but they are not paying for it. I see it as part of plan that really change the environment here in the USA. Amnesty for people who are here illegally, voting rights for felons and criminals. This is only about politics and the future power for any given group of people.



Puerto Rico is a US territory left over from the Spanish American War more than 100 years ago. There are many US territories around the world. Guam, Wake Island, US Virgin Islands to name a few. None of them pay taxes as they are not states and have no voting representation. One of the fundamentals that the US was founded on was "No taxation without representation." Thats why the Colonists sought independence from Great Britain. That is what the Boston Tea Party was all about. I don't blame any of these places if the don't want to be states and want to avoid US income taxes. Most of these territories are the spoils of one war or another. They had no choice. Some other country controlled them before we did...



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Posted on Fri, Apr 30, 2010 17:21

And both sides are guilty...I think the Dems moreso. It's all about money and power and control! They want the American people beholding to them for every aspect of our lives.



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Posted on Fri, Apr 30, 2010 16:35

Can you imagine if Bush or any other Republican would be in office and not have responded to the oil spill for 8 days? I heard come commentators say this is Obama's Katrina. I thought Clinton was telfon coated...he ain't got shit on Obama! *L*



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Posted on Fri, Apr 30, 2010 15:26

They were protesting The Arizona Diamondbacks at Wrigley Field in Chicago yesterday. Like they don't have enough of their own problems up there lately. People were threatening to boycott Arizona Iced Tea which is owned by people who live in N.Y. and bottled on Long Island. LOL. Jan Brewers's poll numbers have jumped 16% since she signed the law. Now with the unfortunate oil spill in the gulf; AZ. will become old news very quickly. It makes me sick to see how the spill effects the marine animals and birds...



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Posted on Fri, Apr 30, 2010 13:43

I was told that Puerto Rico enjoys everything without paying any kind of tax. So why would they want to be a part of us? They're getting perks without it. I guess that is what pisses some people off too. It does my room mate. Makem pay taxes. Enough freeloaders. The AZ thing has me worked up. All the people saying their rights are being trampled on...they don't have any damn right...they're here illegally...what is so hard to understand? If I had enough money I'd vacation there this year. Freakin liberals telling people to boycott them....cut me a break!



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Posted on Wed, Apr 28, 2010 22:02

What is the difference between a Commonwealth, state, province and providence?



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Posted on Wed, Apr 28, 2010 20:43

Quoting thenewman

Hi Bill.

 

I don't do a good job of following this stuff from any view.  So tell me, what was the public viewpoint when Hawaii became our 50th state, and if I recall AZ was our 49th?? 



Alaska was the 49th state. AZ. has been a state since 1912. It was number 48. I was in high school when HI. and AK. became states. I don't remember any feeling one way or another in the existing 48 states but it was a very big deal to the people living in AK. and HI. Schools and businesses closed and people took to the streets in celebration as soon as Congretional approval was announced. Puerto Rico has already voted down statehood three times. With that attitude, Who needs them???



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Posted on Wed, Apr 28, 2010 19:26

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Due to where I live I find it difficult to focus on anything other than the AZ./Mex. border at the moment. The last time I was in San Juan which was a couple of years ago they were having a big march in support of statehood. Personally I find it an embarrassment and a disgrace that the U.S. would do anything to entice or coerce Puerto Rico or any other place to join us in statehood. To me the big problem is keeping people out of this country; not getting them to join. Politicians by nature are a sleazy bunch, but I have never seen a sleazier group then the ones presently in control of Washington. I see where Tim Geithner admitted the other day that he never had held a real job. Small wonder that he had trouble calculating his own income taxes...



Hi Bill.

 

I don't do a good job of following this stuff from any view.  So tell me, what was the public viewpoint when Hawaii became our 50th state, and if I recall AZ was our 49th?? 



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Posted on Wed, Apr 28, 2010 15:14

It doesn't matter I'm pissed. So its another...my bad! *L*



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Posted on Wed, Apr 28, 2010 15:11

Goldman SACS Dekan??? That has a whole different connotation than Goldman SACHS doesn't it??? LMAO...



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Posted on Wed, Apr 28, 2010 14:45

I belong to a 9-12 group and they sent this email to the members. Of course you didn't hear about this anywhere else. The government run media sure as hell isn't talking about it. It's all Goldman Sacs and finance reform. Like Glenn says you have to watch what the left hand is doing. The Cloward-Piven approach...overwhelm them and they won't be able to keep track of everything that's going on. I'm calling my congressmen and senators. A bunch of jackasses running the country. They could give a damn about people. It's about power and control just like every other damn thing they're doing in DC. People wise up. Get involved. We cannot let them win. You go to every tea party you can. You write letter, put signs in your yard, in your car. Washington we're comimng for you!



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Posted on Wed, Apr 28, 2010 14:24

Glen Beck devoted a large portion of his TV show today to the issue of statehood for Puerto Rico. Glen is a bit of a lunatic but he can be quite entertaining. Out here he is known as the Alcoholic Morman. Personally I liked him better when he was on the radio. I used to listen to him all the time when I drove through Yuma on my way to or from San Diego. Seemed like he was always on there. Today is the first time I have heard of this latest attempt to make Puerto Rico a state and I usually stay pretty up to date on current events.



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Posted on Wed, Apr 28, 2010 11:43

Due to where I live I find it difficult to focus on anything other than the AZ./Mex. border at the moment. The last time I was in San Juan which was a couple of years ago they were having a big march in support of statehood. Personally I find it an embarrassment and a disgrace that the U.S. would do anything to entice or coerce Puerto Rico or any other place to join us in statehood. To me the big problem is keeping people out of this country; not getting them to join. Politicians by nature are a sleazy bunch, but I have never seen a sleazier group then the ones presently in control of Washington. I see where Tim Geithner admitted the other day that he never had held a real job. Small wonder that he had trouble calculating his own income taxes...



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