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Posted on Mon, Jan 25, 2010 06:06

I'm sure we all remember New Orleans and Katrina. Isn't it amazing how all of a sudden the media and people are so understanding? It was Bush and his hatred of black people who didn't get relief to the residents of NO. He didn't do enough...he caused those levees to break!

Now Obama. Isn't he just the most loving and compassionate president this country has ever had? Look how hard he is working! It's not his fault there is so much red tape that supplies and equipment isn't getting to Haiti!



Government's first duty is to protect the people, not run their lives. President Ronald Reagan

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Posted on Wed, Jan 27, 2010 04:27

You are so right annacath! What does skin color have to do with anything??? You help because there is a need. 



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Posted on Tue, Jan 26, 2010 04:07

I hope we all know the answer to that!



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Posted on Mon, Jan 25, 2010 21:07

Quoting CDinCO

Yes... it is true, but with those words, how many US Citizens, born and raised or otherwise, really knew other than through minute (and miniscule) knowledge of it????  I, for one, did not...   It wasn't prevelent until Katrina really unfolded that anyone had any idea!!!!  Unless they were/are a politician, it was an organizaion of the government that nobody really knew about or understood...  It took 9/11 to bring it to the forefront.... but then NOTHING.... until Katrina...   Which is when it was brought to the public attention...

I'm just saying.....



I am not sure how many Americans knew of FEMA before Katrina....I recall during TMI that FEMA was organized or was there at the time...thats my first re con of FEMA....FEMA's role is a domestic agency.  If they are greatly involved in Haiti it would surprise me.  I am not a politcian but I do reall them from many years ago...well before Katrina.



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Posted on Mon, Jan 25, 2010 20:31

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Hi CD.  I agree with most of what you said except for the fact that FEMA has been a federal agency since 1979.  Prior to 9/11 FEMA was a direct report to the President.  When the Department Homeland Security was formed after 9/11, FEMA then was organized under Homeland.  Many suggested that had FEMA remained a direct report to the Pres, they may have performed "better" during the recovery of Katrina.



Yes... it is true, but with those words, how many US Citizens, born and raised or otherwise, really knew other than through minute (and miniscule) knowledge of it????  I, for one, did not...   It wasn't prevelent until Katrina really unfolded that anyone had any idea!!!!  Unless they were/are a politician, it was an organizaion of the government that nobody really knew about or understood...  It took 9/11 to bring it to the forefront.... but then NOTHING.... until Katrina...   Which is when it was brought to the public attention...

I'm just saying.....



Courtney :)

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Posted on Mon, Jan 25, 2010 18:40

Who is webmaster? It says I got 3 comments from whoever it is. It brings me back to this blog but no comment. Help?



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Posted on Mon, Jan 25, 2010 16:37

Hi CD.  I agree with most of what you said except for the fact that FEMA has been a federal agency since 1979.  Prior to 9/11 FEMA was a direct report to the President.  When the Department Homeland Security was formed after 9/11, FEMA then was organized under Homeland.  Many suggested that had FEMA remained a direct report to the Pres, they may have performed "better" during the recovery of Katrina.



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Posted on Mon, Jan 25, 2010 15:35

What you said in both comments make perfect sense. Merely pointing out hypocrisy. As far as Ft Hood is concerned, the military itself has a hell of a lot to answer to. All of that could have been avoided had political correctness not been the most important thing. I hope their feet will be held to the fire!



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Posted on Mon, Jan 25, 2010 13:26

Quoting Dekan09

I'm sure we all remember New Orleans and Katrina. Isn't it amazing how all of a sudden the media and people are so understanding? It was Bush and his hatred of black people who didn't get relief to the residents of NO. He didn't do enough...he caused those levees to break!

Now Obama. Isn't he just the most loving and compassionate president this country has ever had? Look how hard he is working! It's not his fault there is so much red tape that supplies and equipment isn't getting to Haiti!



Oh, also...  If I remember correctly, Obama was in Europe at the Summit meeting when Ft. Hood happened, isn't that correct???  (I'm asking, don't recall but I know he was there or asia or something).

One more point about Katrina - my father, who was Lt. Colonel for the Army Corps of Engineers, pointed out that any "good" storm (not even a hurricane) would have caused those levies to burst and, although time would have helped, the Corps of Engineers wasn't allowed in to even assess the damage, so we can't point fingers at that.  A sneeze could have caused them to burst in many cases and STILL aren't fixed!



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Posted on Mon, Jan 25, 2010 13:18

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I'm well aware of the magnitude of what happened in Haiti. Fact remains Bush was accused of hating the black people living there. Could we say that because the people in Haiti are black Obama jumped so quickly? Of course not. When things are expedite for him that's when he goes hog wild with help. I can't help but think about Ft. Hood. It took how long for him to do something? Did he go and visit the men and women who were injured? He went to the funerals because it was expected. You can twist and turn these things any way you want. Bush still is the bad guy. Obama was the savior. The thrill is gone baby!



Having been on both sides of the bureaucratic red tape, I can see both sides of the argument.  TNM is correct, the aid was there for Katrina and it wasn't Bush's "fault" although he WAS the President...  don't get me wrong, I voted for the jackass twice!!!!  So, it's MY fault....  LOL!!!

FEMA was set up as a direct result of 9/11, unbeknownst to many, but took a LONG LONG time to become established and NOT even until after Katrina, continued with the lack of infrastructure of the newly formed agency, including its' key players.  All associations such as Red Cross, Salvation Army and many of our military men and women were on the frontline, ready to break through and get things moving.  It was the LOCAL government who would not allow it to happen.  It's not a color issue, it's an organizational issue (and I mean organization as in being organized, not THE organization), which they were not.  They had not prepared themselves for the worst in the case of Katrina and were sadly NOT!!!!

As for Ft. Hood, again, all were ready and SWAT and Military armed and ready to go, if not already inside.  You must understand that this situation is different in the sense that they had to secure the premesis and for several DAYS had no idea exactly how many shooters there were.  It was alleged there were 3, but one shot, the other in custody and then one on the loose...  Then it became 2, one down, one in custody.  They can't jeopardize the sake of gettin "aide" to those in need, only to put their rescuers into harms way without knowing the brevity of the whole situation.  They did what they could as they could.   Although a military base, unexpected internal terrorism is probably not what they had expected and were blind-sided.

We do what we can (we as in the US), when we can and more often and swiftly than any other country in the world.   We are always first in line and people look to us first for that reason, and visa versa...  I think in light of the history of terrorism since 2001, Obama has been better prepared, as needed.  He is an intelligent man, very bright and methodical about what he does and says.  I think he HAD an action plan, whether it would have been another Katrina, World Trade Center, or something else, he IS prepared - it appears to be his nature.  There is a LOT that goes on behind closed doors that remains unknown, untold and very top secret.  One on the outside can only speculate the reality of any given situation until it happens.  The magnitude of devastation in Haiti, as TNG mentioned, is far more grave than anything we have (and hopefully ever will) endure in this country, regarless of natural or terrorist disaster.  We have regulations, they do not.  The buildings were found to not have any steel or rebar or any structural support whatsoever, their sewage and clean water were virtually indistinguishable in certain neighborhoods, etc.  It would be like pouring water over a sand castle in relationship to what happened.  The illness and devastation of Haiti is nothing new to us, or anyone else around the globe.  Knowing this, the rush to aide is cantamount as death and illness abound.  The numbers by the tragedy alone is in the millions and the death due to subsequent illness may equal that of the earthquake if predictions stand true.

I am not taking either side here, nor would I as I am always up for a healthy debate and love playing "Devil's Advocate").  One must remember, however, the media prints and states what they want, when they want, and we can't always believe what we read...  Is Bush a racist?  Possibly, but until I hear the words coming out of his mouth, it is just an intuition or a feeling that I/you may have.  Is Obama a reverse racist...  possibly, but again, with an African American president, we all KNEW he was going to put more efforts into equality for all so, it may be a spike in what we're accustomed to seeing but nothing he didn't already express was a necessary evil before he was elected.



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Posted on Mon, Jan 25, 2010 10:05

I'm well aware of the magnitude of what happened in Haiti. Fact remains Bush was accused of hating the black people living there. Could we say that because the people in Haiti are black Obama jumped so quickly? Of course not. When things are expedite for him that's when he goes hog wild with help. I can't help but think about Ft. Hood. It took how long for him to do something? Did he go and visit the men and women who were injured? He went to the funerals because it was expected. You can twist and turn these things any way you want. Bush still is the bad guy. Obama was the savior. The thrill is gone baby!



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Posted on Mon, Jan 25, 2010 07:37

I agree that Bush and FEMA got unfairly beat up for Katrina....it was the Governor of LA who failed to take the necassary steps for the feds to get involved more timely.  Federal aid was sitting outside of the town for at least a day if not two....

 

Haiti is sig different than Katrina....One Haiti is NOT a U.S. territory and two the damage in Haiti dwarfs Katrina......Haiti is a 3rd world country with minimal infrastructure to begin with which makes it more difficult logistically...the number of people directly affected by the earthquake is at least 6-10 times the number of Katrina.....comparing katrina to the earthquake is almost like comparing a head cold to cancer.....while the U.S. and its citizens are providing much relief, at the end of the day it is NOT our direct responsibility as was the mess in New Orleans, which I have sadi many times ins my FAVORITE U.S. town....



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