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Posted on Thu, Jan 14, 2010 07:20

A tragedy of unbelievable proportion. Why is it that the people who have the least and are most downtrodden in the whole world always seem to be at the center of the worst natural disasters?????



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Posted on Thu, Jan 21, 2010 10:53

God. AFTER ALL IS SAID AND DONE. Haiti will remain a vestige of the DARK AGES inhabited by a population cosisting primarily of amputees..... Not a pretty pic....



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Posted on Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:04

Can't WAIT!!! My mom has told me stories of what it was like to vacation there before they stopped letting non-blood linked Americans there. Sounded spectacular and I can't wait to buy a TON of real estate!!!!!


Courtney :)

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Posted on Mon, Jan 18, 2010 06:33

Quoting shazbot82:

Bill, next time you have an urge to go diving,,I can be available on short notice ! Wild parrots ...and wild women, such as myself, DO tend to be a bit more " colorful" than their tame counterparts. Our nails tend to be a tad ragged, however,,and we like to perch on top of " heads"..of all sorts. yes I thought comment was amusing.


You are on Shaz. As soon as my shoulder heals up, we are on our way....


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Posted on Mon, Jan 18, 2010 06:29

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Bill, I did know this, actually when I was living in Mexico was frequently invited to a friend's family's home in Cuba. Never did go, however. I was merely referring to them allowing the US into their territory. I know they "get along" with everybody else. Can't wait for them to open up to the US!!!


Me Too. How about an MM get together in Havana????



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Posted on Sun, Jan 17, 2010 11:32

Bill, next time you have an urge to go diving,,I can be available on short notice ! Wild parrots ...and wild women, such as myself, DO tend to be a bit more " colorful" than their tame counterparts. Our nails tend to be a tad ragged, however,,and we like to perch on top of " heads"..of all sorts. yes I thought comment was amusing.


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Posted on Sun, Jan 17, 2010 09:31

LOL Shaz. I wasn't too worried. Always knew you would get a chuckle from the bird comment. They have a wild parrot sanctuary in Dominica. (vocanic island between Guadalupe and Martinique. They filmed Pirates of the Caribbean there). I was there to dive but took an afternoon to hike the reserve. VERY COOL. The parrots were wild but comfortable around people. I think the wild ones have much brighter colors than the parrots that live as pets. Can the same thing be said about women???? LOL...



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Posted on Sun, Jan 17, 2010 09:15

Quoting billzeke:

CDinCO said: "Speaking of Cuba, did you see they are actually opening up their airports and ports to commercial transportation from America??? HOLY..... Nice to see they can put their differences aside to contribute to this disaster. Heck, they could be next...""

 

Actually Cuba gets along well with most of it's neighbors. Canadians routinely travel there for vacation and Americans can go through Cancun, Mex. so long as you make sure tourist visa is not permanently affixed to your passport. Prior to Castro and Cuba's subsequent turn to Communism, Cuba was a Caribbean mecca for Americans. Nice hotels, casinos and of course cigars just a short flight from Miami. My parents used to go all the time. With the Cuban missle crisis and the resultant embargo The US and Cuba became very far removed from each other. Personally I think we should lift the embargo immediately and try to normalize relations with the Cubans ASAP. It's almost 60 years later. Russia is no longer a factor and Cuba is a tiny impoverished island which is no threat to us.... 



Bill, I did know this, actually when I was living in Mexico was frequently invited to a friend's family's home in Cuba. Never did go, however. I was merely referring to them allowing the US into their territory. I know they "get along" with everybody else. Can't wait for them to open up to the US!!!


Courtney :)

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Posted on Sun, Jan 17, 2010 09:03

CDinCO said: "Speaking of Cuba, did you see they are actually opening up their airports and ports to commercial transportation from America??? HOLY..... Nice to see they can put their differences aside to contribute to this disaster. Heck, they could be next...""

 

Actually Cuba gets along well with most of it's neighbors. Canadians routinely travel there for vacation and Americans can go through Cancun, Mex. so long as you make sure tourist visa is not permanently affixed to your passport. Prior to Castro and Cuba's subsequent turn to Communism, Cuba was a Caribbean mecca for Americans. Nice hotels, casinos and of course cigars just a short flight from Miami. My parents used to go all the time. With the Cuban missle crisis and the resultant embargo The US and Cuba became very far removed from each other. Personally I think we should lift the embargo immediately and try to normalize relations with the Cubans ASAP. It's almost 60 years later. Russia is no longer a factor and Cuba is a tiny impoverished island which is no threat to us.... 



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Posted on Sun, Jan 17, 2010 07:38

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Bill ...lol..they DIDNT " go" on me.....these are wild parrots and we are in Far North Queesland AU. As for the comments I made about what really happens to the aid,,, my ex-fiance has lead more than a hundred UN teams in Disaster relief all over the world. He was the lead Coordinator for the Mynamar Flood, and countless others, including the Tsunami Relief effort, the Padang Earthquake Relief effort in Sept of last year, I could go on and on and on. America IS great and does contribute a great deal but DO NOT think that we are the sole providers, because it simply is not true.South East Asia is pretty well covered by their own people. ( he is a native of Papua New Guinea) They are far from being helpless. Said ex contributed 800K us himself to the Tsunami /Nais island rescue along with leading deliverys with his fleet of barges/and leasing them to the to the Indo Gov free of charge. HE IS a dedicated and very experienced disaster relief expert. Having seen his work for 8 years, I have some idea of the truth of how donations work. MUCH of the money sits in trust accounts and lays there idle for YEARS. Some if it goes to immediate food and water and sanitation, and disease prevention. The reason it sits around is so that corrupt people dont get their hands on it..though that does happen. Courtney, I am so glad you are personally involved and its great that you are. It is a positive way to help from a-far and its sorely needed. I did not mean to imply anything else. BUT I want people to understand that you need to give to an established Charity that has experience in such efforts. Check out the charity before you give. Dont bother with anything but cash,,unless you happen to be able to donate large quanities of medicine,shelter articles, or water filtration devices and Can get them there , too. I dont know where ex is right now, He had been in the north west China are with the Uygers people last week,,,had expected to hear from him but have not. He is probably in Haiti or in-route. Pray for EVERYONE there...the earthquakes are not over with.


This is why I put the information out there. Other than the new proposal of the "President's" it is safe to inform others by whatever means that the International and American Red Cross and Dr.'s Without Borders are the ONLY aide allowed in and out. Others may collect funds and donations but if they route it by other means it may take, weeks, months, years to even reach the intended party. The government of China just donated $1mm toward the relief efforts. Mighty generous!


Courtney :)

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Posted on Sun, Jan 17, 2010 07:19

Because thise is Nature. And you know what Nature did? Actually it brought people from around the World together to discover what we call 'Humanity' again. We should have helped them long time ago maybe Nature would never had to do that in order to reminde the World that things can go wrong if we lose our humanity ignoring poor countrys and be so selfish. The worse part of it is that people out there died in pain slowly and pay that price. I hope all those people went streith to Heaven, the place belived to be the home of God. This is my opinion.


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Posted on Sat, Jan 16, 2010 22:55

Bill ...lol..they DIDNT " go" on me.....these are wild parrots and we are in Far North Queesland AU. As for the comments I made about what really happens to the aid,,, my ex-fiance has lead more than a hundred UN teams in Disaster relief all over the world. He was the lead Coordinator for the Mynamar Flood, and countless others, including the Tsunami Relief effort, the Padang Earthquake Relief effort in Sept of last year, I could go on and on and on. America IS great and does contribute a great deal but DO NOT think that we are the sole providers, because it simply is not true.South East Asia is pretty well covered by their own people. ( he is a native of Papua New Guinea) They are far from being helpless. Said ex contributed 800K us himself to the Tsunami /Nais island rescue along with leading deliverys with his fleet of barges/and leasing them to the to the Indo Gov free of charge. HE IS a dedicated and very experienced disaster relief expert. Having seen his work for 8 years, I have some idea of the truth of how donations work. MUCH of the money sits in trust accounts and lays there idle for YEARS. Some if it goes to immediate food and water and sanitation, and disease prevention. The reason it sits around is so that corrupt people dont get their hands on it..though that does happen. Courtney, I am so glad you are personally involved and its great that you are. It is a positive way to help from a-far and its sorely needed. I did not mean to imply anything else. BUT I want people to understand that you need to give to an established Charity that has experience in such efforts. Check out the charity before you give. Dont bother with anything but cash,,unless you happen to be able to donate large quanities of medicine,shelter articles, or water filtration devices and Can get them there , too. I dont know where ex is right now, He had been in the north west China are with the Uygers people last week,,,had expected to hear from him but have not. He is probably in Haiti or in-route. Pray for EVERYONE there...the earthquakes are not over with.


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Posted on Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:24

Quoting billzeke:

Pat is getting old. It's unfortunate he made such an off the wall statement in the late stages of his career. I hope it is not what he is rememberd for as he has done some great things. IMO, Danny Glover is the real lunatic. Rambling on and on about how the US is the culprit and Cuba and his friend Cezar Chavez of Venezuela are the saviors....



Speaking of Cuba, did you see they are actually opening up their airports and ports to commercial transportation from America??? HOLY..... Nice to see they can put their differences aside to contribute to this disaster. Heck, they could be next...


Courtney :)

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Posted on Sat, Jan 16, 2010 08:03

Quoting virgogem:

Billz, according to Pat Robertson, this particular tragedy struck Haiti because they made a deal with the devil to free themselves from the French in the nineteenth century. He swears this to be "a true story." Even more mind numbing is Rush Limbaugh saying that Obama jumped into action in less than 24 hours to garner favor among the "light and dark skinned blacks." It is astonishing to me to think that while we as humans know that it is wrong to HATE, these moronic neanderthals get paid to spew it.


Pat is getting old. It's unfortunate he made such an off the wall statement in the late stages of his career. I hope it is not what he is rememberd for as he has done some great things. IMO, Danny Glover is the real lunatic. Rambling on and on about how the US is the culprit and Cuba and his friend Cezar Chavez of Venezuela are the saviors....



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Posted on Fri, Jan 15, 2010 22:14

Doctors Without Borders is who I chose to send money to. They were on Fox & Friends and was impressed. Once you give all that's left is to pray for all those dear people...for the rescuers too. The things they're going to see will be horrific.



Government's first duty is to protect the people, not run their lives. President Ronald Reagan

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Posted on Fri, Jan 15, 2010 21:36

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we all feel better throwing money at these things. It would surprise most people to learn what really happens to much of the " donations" Such as those for the Tsunami...much of that money is STILL stuck in foreign banks with many many many conditions yet to be met before it gets " released" Haiti is so corrupt that cash is going to bring out the greed and most terrible aspects of the native population. Dont think for second that the average person is EVER going to personally see ANY of the money, they will not. Some will get food,some will get water and medical care, some will get temporary shelter,,most will NOT get anything else. My ex is/was involved in disaster relief management projects all over the world with the UN and some nongov groups. People donate, ear-marked for one cause,,but often, the funds DO NOT go to where the donators think. Give money if it makes you feel good,,like you are helping out. Just dont harbor illusions about what is going to happen to that money.


I'm sorry people feel this way about this particular effort as I have been very involved and believe it or not, past experiences have taught many organizations many lessons... as I've been sending out to many people as I have been very involved, there are some lessons to be learned about what's really happening in the past which are NOT being repeated with Haiti, as well as the actual associations that can do immediate good, and the limitation of who is actually allowed to contribute... As we have all witnessed over the course of the past few days, there has been great devastation and tragedy in the country of Haiti. As a member of the Red CrossI have been fortunate enough to be able to assist in the overwhelming job of working several of the local phone banks and have learned a LOT of do's and don'ts that I would like to share. First, let me start by expressing thanks and gratitude for those who have donated time or money to the relief efforts. As of my leaving the phone bank last night, the Red Cross alone had received approximately $35mm in donations within 48 hours (over $5mm by text alone) and that has doubled today for text and online/phone conributions today!!!! Although a tremendous outpouring of support and concern, obviously this won't scratch the surface of the devastation at hand. Please do not give unsolicited donations and be sure that those you do make go to one of the organizations mentioned herein at this time. Next, I would like to pass on some information as expressed and clarified through the Red Cross or other organizations currently involved in the recovery and relief efforts, or as otherwise contradicted by some of the news media or internet messages, etc. in general, unless otherwise expressed by a representative of the Red Cross or applicable organizations. Currently monetary donations are being taken by the American Red Cross (1-800-REDCROSS). Please do not donate to any otherwise unsolicited or known resources and, at that, be sure whatever effort you contribute to will be passed on to the Red Cross who is the only financial agency with presence in the relief project at the moment - and probably for quite some time. If you donate to your religious or other charitable organization, please be advised that it may take some time to be received in Haiti, if not months to over a year as the access to the country is limited to only a few agencies due to the need to rebuild thier outlets. For your local contributions of food, clothing or other items, please contact your local United Way chapter to ensure appropriation, who will direct you as to how to make such contributions in your area for "goods." For other areas, you may have this or similar services available, if not please look up your local chapter for United Way but be sure they are addressed to the Haiti recovery. They, too, are slated to be allowed on the island eventually, but there are no outlets currently available for them to deliver such goods as all the ports are destroyed and the airport is limited to getting integral personnel in and out of the country. The next recommendation is to contact Doctor's Without Borders (Make a donation online or toll-free at 1-888-392-0392), who (other than the Red Cross) is the only other organization allowed on the island to serve at this time. It is anticipated that with the structural damage, less than sufficient waterways and sewage systems, and little ability to produce fresh water, diseases such as Cholera and other waterborne illnesses will arise swiftly and soon. Therefore, it is also suggested that donations be made to this organization in an effort for them to purchase adequate medications and immunizations, as well as other medical supplies and sterilization techniques as possible. Another method by which you may contribute is to text to #90999 and enter the word "HAITI" when prompted. This will add a $10 to your phone bill. 100% of these proceeds go to the Red Cross as their 3rd party carrier has waived their normal fees for this effort. Only $10 can be donated this way so you may either do it once or multiple times, or simply call Red Cross directly for a mailing address or over the phone payment. Just to clarify "misappropriation" of any funds, any non-profit must take a small percentage of your donation toward those who are PAID to go perform such tasks. This effort guaranties only 9 cents of every dollar donated to paid staff, airfare, gas, etc. to every dollar spent. That's 100% of your donation going to the Haiti relief and 91% toward the people themselves and their territory. Would you work for 9 cents for every dollar contributed to the company you work for, divided by how many people they must share your efforts with wherever you work, and the lack of hours you put in for what you do, not for the betterment of another person. Unless you are in banking or insurance, you have no argument here!!! Please remember, that although this is rescue effort, all your donations are tax deductible for 2010 as well.


Courtney :)

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Posted on Fri, Jan 15, 2010 20:36

Feeling good works for me, Shaz. Sure beats having a bird c**p on ones head....lolol... Forgive me Shaz. I couldn't resist


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Posted on Fri, Jan 15, 2010 20:02

Quoting virgogem:

Billz, according to Pat Robertson, this particular tragedy struck Haiti because they made a deal with the devil to free themselves from the French in the nineteenth century. He swears this to be "a true story." Even more mind numbing is Rush Limbaugh saying that Obama jumped into action in less than 24 hours to garner favor among the "light and dark skinned blacks." It is astonishing to me to think that while we as humans know that it is wrong to HATE, these moronic neanderthals get paid to spew it.


Virgo

 

I agree with you...and to go one step further the current Pope wrote policies for the Catholic church regarding how to cover up the Vaticans role in WWII and the sexual cover up with Priests and Alter Boys. 



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Posted on Fri, Jan 15, 2010 14:42

3/4 of the EARTHS entire population live within 100 miles of a coast line. Water is a vital resource,,OF COURSE people live near lakes and rivers. They can not live without water


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Posted on Fri, Jan 15, 2010 14:39

we all feel better throwing money at these things. It would surprise most people to learn what really happens to much of the " donations" Such as those for the Tsunami...much of that money is STILL stuck in foreign banks with many many many conditions yet to be met before it gets " released" Haiti is so corrupt that cash is going to bring out the greed and most terrible aspects of the native population. Dont think for second that the average person is EVER going to personally see ANY of the money, they will not. Some will get food,some will get water and medical care, some will get temporary shelter,,most will NOT get anything else. My ex is/was involved in disaster relief management projects all over the world with the UN and some nongov groups. People donate, ear-marked for one cause,,but often, the funds DO NOT go to where the donators think. Give money if it makes you feel good,,like you are helping out. Just dont harbor illusions about what is going to happen to that money.


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