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Posted on Thu, Oct 30, 2008 15:38

At what point do you cross over from having good social programs and become a socialist state. I think we all want to help the sick, the elderly, the disabled, and those who are temporarily jobless but wanting to work. What do you think?


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Posted on Mon, Nov 17, 2008 16:19

It was Saturday Shaz and my doctor's office was not open. I thought I had appendicitis and waited four hours and decided I could not wait any longer. A kidney stone is very painful..when it passes..it has sharp edges to it and scrapes the ueterer while passing. Mine never passed and is probably still floating around somewhere ready to cause another infection. 3cm by 6cm was the guess by the emergency room physician. I could not afford the surgery he wanted to do. And with my porphyria...I never know whether it is the genetic disease or something else entirely. I live with pain. My body fights me every day. But I use natural means to keep it at bay. Sometimes..it just does not work. I thought I was taking too much calcium. So I cut back. Now my bones are hurting...so I will go back on some of that calcium and balance it with magnesium. If I don't take the magnesium..I get awful cramps in my legs and feet. It is an ongoing fight...but like I have said many times..I like challenges...just some days...it really wears me down.


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Posted on Sat, Nov 15, 2008 10:42

Barb ,,if you had been able to see a regular doctor under routine circumstances...which health insurance allows,,,do you think its likely that you would have had to wait until you needed go to the emergency room ? Ive had gallstoness and no longer have that organ, so I have an idea of what kideny stones are like. Probably came on suddenly. BUT the flu and the infection ,,why did you wait ? Was it because you HAD to wait ? This countrys health care system is deploreable. Getting care shouldnt bankrupt a person or put them in debt for the many years. Its not illegal aliens who are the problem...its the entire system.


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Posted on Tue, Nov 11, 2008 10:34

Quoting: Originally posted by shazbot82 ide like to remind you that there are millions of law abiding CITIZENS, who do not have any medical coverage. And they reason they dont is greed and an insane health care system that need to be retooled from the ground up. I AM NOT an illegal alien. Should I be turned out of a hospital because I dont have health insurance ??? We could become like other countries..no money,,you die. They will physically put you on the street and let you die. IS that what you want for this country ? Im lucky as I am fairly healthy. I dont, right now, need health care. What really makes me see red is when this is blamed on illegals. Maybe in texas across the Rio Grande,,yeah they might have a few problems with hospitals...but the REAL problem is the millions of AMERICANS who can not,or do not have health insurance. And do not fool yourself,,this could EASILY be ANYONE of us. It only takes one life-altering trauma and you too, could be without health care.

It happened to me Shaz...$7000 for a kidney stone, infection, and the flu all on one day, this past August...ER...very expensive... But I will pay it off, if it takes a hundred years... NOT leave it for someone else to absorb!


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Posted on Mon, Nov 10, 2008 21:24

ide like to remind you that there are millions of law abiding CITIZENS, who do not have any medical coverage. And they reason they dont is greed and an insane health care system that need to be retooled from the ground up. I AM NOT an illegal alien. Should I be turned out of a hospital because I dont have health insurance ??? We could become like other countries..no money,,you die. They will physically put you on the street and let you die. IS that what you want for this country ? Im lucky as I am fairly healthy. I dont, right now, need health care. What really makes me see red is when this is blamed on illegals. Maybe in texas across the Rio Grande,,yeah they might have a few problems with hospitals...but the REAL problem is the millions of AMERICANS who can not,or do not have health insurance. And do not fool yourself,,this could EASILY be ANYONE of us. It only takes one life-altering trauma and you too, could be without health care.


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Posted on Mon, Nov 10, 2008 10:41

I may have to eat my words about a luxury tax. Here is some more info, from the net. Search for a paragraph and you can see the whole article. ********************* One of the more controversial provisions passed by Congress in its attempt to reduce the burgeoning federal deficit was the luxury excise tax. The tax, introduced as part of RRA 90, levies a 10% surcharge on certain high-priced items to the extent that they exceed certain statutory limits. Effective January 1, 1991, the tax applies to the "first retail sale" of luxury goods with a sales price above the following thresholds: automobiles $500,000; boats $100,000; aircraft $25,000; and jewelry and furst exceeding $10,000. the tax was originally projected to provide revenues of $9 billion over the next five years. It has become obvious that the original projections are, at best, unrealistic. In addition, on a larger scale, the imposition of the excise tax has been reported in the press as aggravating the plight of the luxury industries already hard hit by current economic conditions. Legislators levied the tax on only five industries, allegedly to make the tax easier administer. It was decided, for example, that electronics should be dropped as a category since there are too many different types of dealers and equipment. Needless to say, the industries affected have been quite vocal in their criticism. The producers singled out are concerned that consumers who misunderstand the "threshold" concept may be resistant to purchase so called "luxury items." This would occur, for example, if consumers were to believe that $3,000 in additional tax would be owed on the purchase of a $30,000 automobile, when in fact none would actually be due. For the consumer, the tax is particularly worrisome because, once the statute is in place, it is simple to lower the threshold amounts or increase the rate. Opponents claim that the provision will affect not only the consumers, but also the industries, and in time will translate into lost jobs. In the boating industry, this has already become obvious. According to a recent The Wall Street Journal editorial, the Labor Department estimates that in Florida, the nation's leading boat building state, builders laid off 5,000 out of 18,000 laborers by the end of 1990 and these layoffs are not isolated. Retailers, manufacturers, and services aligned to the boating industry are simultaneously affected. To provide even the slightest justification for these job losses, the government should at least be realizing substantial revenue gains. Nevertheless, according to the same editorial, the Joint Committee of Taxation has released collection estimates of which only $3 million were attributable to boats in 1991. Where is the justification?


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Posted on Mon, Nov 10, 2008 10:29

Quoting: Originally posted by shazbot82 www,,our wonderful republican govenor annouced yesterda his plans to save californias financial butt by raiseing massive taxes..right after we voted them all down. Generally he has beena pretty good G...but this is ludicris ! Raising our state sales tax to 10.25 % is going to gut the retail sector as soon as it goes into effect. How on earth can this be seen as stimulationg the economy ?????????

I have mixed feeling about retail taxes. I don't like them on something like tires or automobile parts, but it would be fine for me if it was a $5K dress or diamond. We consume way too much. A luxury tax would be acceptable to me. def A luxury tax is a tax on luxury goods -- products not considered essential.


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Posted on Sat, Nov 08, 2008 06:31

Ignoring the fact that these are real people and not numbers, figures & statistics is just the type of mentality that will most likely divide this nation further and ultimately, send it spireling into a deeper recession. * Just a reminder : None of us really belong here unless we are %100 Native American Indian.

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Posted on Sat, Nov 08, 2008 02:03

www,,our wonderful republican govenor annouced yesterda his plans to save californias financial butt by raiseing massive taxes..right after we voted them all down. Generally he has beena pretty good G...but this is ludicris ! Raising our state sales tax to 10.25 % is going to gut the retail sector as soon as it goes into effect. How on earth can this be seen as stimulationg the economy ?????????


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Posted on Thu, Nov 06, 2008 23:31

Quoting: Originally posted by iwanttobehugged In this State...every emergency room HAS to accept you and treat you whether you have insurance or not. In Texas it is the same...and that is why many hospitals have gone bankrupt and closed because the illegals come over the border for better health care and NEVER pay their bills...leaving the hospitals and doctors holding the bills and bags...But buckle up young ones...this is going to be a bumpy ride!!!

This is probably true in most states. The hospitals are going broke, and part of the reason health insurance is so high is that they have to try to make up the money somehow. There are probably more babies delivered free than paid for.


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Posted on Thu, Nov 06, 2008 04:29

Ignorance & hate has never brought about any solutions. we need to "change" our old ways of thinking and try to find new solutions through education & communication. who could look this child in the face and deny him urgent medical care which most likely would save his life? My conscience will not permit me to do such a thing.

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Posted on Wed, Nov 05, 2008 22:00

In this State...every emergency room HAS to accept you and treat you whether you have insurance or not. In Texas it is the same...and that is why many hospitals have gone bankrupt and closed because the illegals come over the border for better health care and NEVER pay their bills...leaving the hospitals and doctors holding the bills and bags...But buckle up young ones...this is going to be a bumpy ride!!!


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Posted on Wed, Nov 05, 2008 18:32

Quoting: Originally posted by Taycott Sweet, I agree. They should not be excluded from any care when they are doing their best. There will always be those not smart enough or educated enough to go far, but they get up every morning and go to work regardless. They should be treated well. After all, if we all had big bucks and super smarts, then there would be no one to do the dirty work that many of these people do. With that said I would add that illegals of any kind should get nothing no matter what the circumstances. If you don't belong here then yo don't belong on my taxes either. ewww, there's a soap box subject...lol Tay

I see your point, although I've met some people working minimum wage jobs who have much more intelligence than most.....but who am I to judge their personal circumstances? Another thing to keep in mind is that these types of jobs exist in this country for a reason.....and there are people who work hard to make it happen every day. we need them, they need us. Blue collar, white collar,....We need both to make it work. Does it really make a difference and is anyone really "smarter" or better" than anyone else? we all have our gifts and our shortcomings no matter what our education or background is. I personally do alot of volunteer work on top of my regular career in the medical field and feel that helping others is the most enriching, rewarding experience a person could have. As a nation ,we need ALL of these people to bring it together in order to make this economy work. If we do not put an end to ignorance, racism & hate by educating people about cultural & economic differences in this country we will in our ignorance greatly divide this nation and eventually destroy ourselves.


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Posted on Wed, Nov 05, 2008 17:41

Sweet, I agree. They should not be excluded from any care when they are doing their best. There will always be those not smart enough or educated enough to go far, but they get up every morning and go to work regardless. They should be treated well. After all, if we all had big bucks and super smarts, then there would be no one to do the dirty work that many of these people do. With that said I would add that illegals of any kind should get nothing no matter what the circumstances. If you don't belong here then yo don't belong on my taxes either. ewww, there's a soap box subject...lol Tay


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Posted on Tue, Nov 04, 2008 19:03

Tay, Of course. Who would want to just randomly give out money to free loaders? What I am talking about is NOT those who want to take advantage of the system but those who are truly in need..... people who work two jobs at minimum wage , those who struggle but still can't quite make it DO exist. It would be morally wrong to brush those people under the rug and to pretend they are not our problem.


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Posted on Mon, Nov 03, 2008 20:28

This is a rant that is featured with Bob Parks on Black & Right of NMATV search for the above text on youtube. or maybe look up a Random Rant This is really worth seeing and the video addresses most of the issues in the election. sure wish I could post the link, but MM will not allow it.


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Posted on Mon, Nov 03, 2008 19:01

Quoting: Originally posted by SweetSimone Personally, I feel that health care is a very important issue. Good health is priceless and everyone should have the right to be able to go see a Doctor when they are sick, to receive basic health care and to receive prescription medications for illnesses. This is a basic humane right. what kind of government would deny someone urgent medical care if it is desperately needed? Should we let this person die because they are unable to pay? This seems morally & ethically wrong to me.

If the person does not work and lives off my taxes, is a drug addict, a rapist, a murderer, or any form of muck on society.....then yes, let them die. If they are doing their best to make it, or one of the very very few who can't work like our elderly or mentally retarded, then yes, give them care immediately.


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Posted on Sun, Nov 02, 2008 22:48

Tay, I add or subtract a number from my name every now and then to mess up the search engines. Everything we write on here winds up being listed by search engines after a few months. This is a wide open site.


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Posted on Sun, Nov 02, 2008 22:39

Shaz, just search the net for California income taxes. I got the same table from two two different sites. Their higest rate is 10.3 percent, plus their federal tax, plus property taxes, plus sales taxes, plus taxes on everything you can think of, and this is generally true all over the country. California's six state income tax rates range from 1 percent to 9.3 percent. The Golden State also assesses a 1 percent surcharge on taxable incomes of $1 million or more. More on California taxes can be found in the tabbed pages below. Personal income tax California collects income tax from its residents at the following rates. For single and married filing separately taxpayers: -- 1 percent on the first $6,827 of taxable income -- 2 percent on taxable income between $6,828 and $16,186 -- 4 percent on taxable income between $16, 187 and $25,546 -- 6 percent on taxable income between $25,547 and $35,463 -- 8 percent on taxable income between $35,464 and $44,818 -- 9.3 percent on taxable income of $44,819 and above. A 1 percent surcharge is collected on taxable incomes of $1 million or more, making California's highest marginal rate 10.3 percent. For married persons filing joint returns and heads of households, the rates remain the same but the income brackets are doubled. Residents must complete returns on Form 540EZ, Form 540A (short form), Form 540 (long form) or Form 540-ADS by April 15. When that date falls on a weekend or holiday, filers get until the next business day to submit their state returns. You might be able to file your California return electronically at no cost using CalFile if you meet the program's eligibility requirements.


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Posted on Sun, Nov 02, 2008 18:55

Personally, I feel that health care is a very important issue. Good health is priceless and everyone should have the right to be able to go see a Doctor when they are sick, to receive basic health care and to receive prescription medications for illnesses. This is a basic humane right. what kind of government would deny someone urgent medical care if it is desperately needed? Should we let this person die because they are unable to pay? This seems morally & ethically wrong to me.


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