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Posted on Fri, Aug 08, 2008 18:46

Sex Atlas Shrugged "Did it ever occur to you that it's the same issue? the men who think that wealth comes from material resouces and has no intellectual root or meaning, are the men who think--for the same reason--that sex is a physical capacity which functions independently of one's mind, choice or code of values. They think that your body creates a desire and makes a choice for you just about in some such way as if iron are transformed itself into railroad rails of its own volition. Love is blind, they say; sex is impervous to reason and mocks the power of all philosophers. But, in fact, a man's sexual choice is the result and the sum of his fundamental convictions. Tell me what a man finds sexually attractive and I will tell you his entire philosophy of life. Show me the woman he sleeps with and I will tell you his valuation of himself. No matter what corruption he's taught about the virtue of selflessness, sex is the most profoundly selfish of all acts, an act which he cannnot perform for any motive but his own enjoyment--just try to think of performing it in a spirit of selfless charity!--an act which is not possible in self-abasement, only in self-exaltation, only in the confidence of being desired and being worthy of desire. It is an act that forces him to stand naked in spirit, as well as in body, and to accept his real ego as his standard of value. He will always be attracted to the woman who reflects his deepest vision of himself, the woman whose surrender permit him to experience--or to fake--a sense of self-esteem. The man who is proudly certain of his own value, will want the highest type of woman he can find, the woman he admires, the strangest, the hardest to conquer--because only the possession of a heroine will give him the sense of an achievement, not the possession of a brainless slut. He doesn't seek to... What's the matter?" "He does not seek to gain his value, he seeks to express it. There is no conflict between the standards of his mind and the desires of his body. But the man who is convinced of his own worthlessness will be drawn to a woman he despises--because she will reflect his own secret self, she will release him from that objective reality in which he is a fraud, she will give him a momentary illusion of his own value and a momentary escape from the moral code that damns him. Observe the ugly mess which most men make of their sex lives--and observe the mess of contradictions which they hold as their moral philosophy. Love is our response to our highest values--and can be nothing else. Let a man corrupt his values and his view of existence, let him profess that love is not self-enjoyment but self-denial, that virtue consists, not of pride, but of pity or pain or weakness or sacrifice, that the noblest love is but born, not of admiration, but of charity, not in response to values, but in response to flaws--and he will have cut himself in two. His body will not obey him, it will not response, it will make him impotent toward the woman he professes to love and draw him to the lowest type of whore he can find. His body will always follow the ultimate logic of his deepest convictions; if he believes that flaws are values, he has damned existence as evil and only the evil will attract him. He has damned himself and he will feel that depravity is all he is worthy of enjoying. He has equated virtue with pain and he will feel that vice is the only realm of pleasure. Then he will scream that his body has vicious desires of its own which his mind cannot conquer, that sex is sin, that true love is a pure emotion of the spirit. And then he will wonder why love brings him nothing but boredom, and sex--nothing but shame."


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Posted on Sun, Aug 17, 2008 01:23

It is what you write on your drivers license, male or female. It is the birds and the bees pollinating flowers. It is something I did a long time ago. I dunno, I forgot, but i will let you know when it happens again. lol

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Posted on Tue, Aug 12, 2008 18:24

SEX is simply what you do when you have run out of good books to read. It's that simple. lololol


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Posted on Mon, Aug 11, 2008 20:23

I can't say I agree with that passage on any level at all. The answer is quite simple; Sex is something you do to pass the time after your XBox red-rings. :oP And, to quote the late, great George Carlin, "Why is it that you're not supposed to talk about sex in mixed company, yet that's exactly where you're supposed to do it?!?"


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Posted on Sat, Aug 09, 2008 20:14

If you want to point the finger of blame for the current state of sexual affairs you might consider that men didn't start the sexual revolution of the 60s and 70s and we certainly didn't initiate Women's Lib.. we are just the beneficiaries. If sex were a commodity it's price would be plummeting because women are flooding the market.


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Posted on Sat, Aug 09, 2008 16:44

it is. a scorned at the mess we make of sex. and by the way... he is just a unisex word here. personally... i blamed the women for the way American view sex as nothing but an act of in and out for pleasure reasons. we have spent so many years and generations fighting you men... that we have forgotten what a dress is or what it means to be a woman. look into any girls' closet and i bet you anything that you would have to dig pretty far to find a dress... and she probably worn it once. pants is the new fashion... and so is random sex with any random person. there is nothing wrong with a successful woman who can cook, know how to look drop death gorgeous, and be one of the most powerful woman in the world. but then again... she was probably too busy to go shopping... or cook.


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Posted on Sat, Aug 09, 2008 16:36

thanks for all the replies... i love posting this passage from the book... just to see how many people have read it... or disagree with it. noted: i'll remember to write down every detail of the reference next time... to make sure you can find it yourself.


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Posted on Sat, Aug 09, 2008 16:35

Quoting irocas: With all due respect Rob, she did reference the book.

I guess it would have stood out had I read the book maybe. Actually while reading it with all the "he this" and "he that", it kinda comes across as an angry scorned lover without the original author referenced. It does make an interesting theory of sex though. Not sure that I entirely agree with the rejection of altruism though. LOL


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Posted on Sat, Aug 09, 2008 16:31

i love France... for all its never giving up idea of repeated histories of revolutionaries... but why did they ever pick socialism? that is a mystery to me. democracy only works best with capitalism. yes, i did read... i think i have read all her books so far... some how i can't forgive her for... she killed her hero in WE THE LIVING.... it's probably the only time she will ever do that. i understand why... but i... i still can't forgive her... then again... i didn't die... i got out just in time. if i didn't get out i think i would have done the same thing... dying trying. except... i wouldn't be as smart... and actually might ignite a revolution. i couldn't be selfish.... it's hard... the hardest thing to learn. i was born into the idea of selfless and self sacrifice... actually my job is the perfect example. it's ok, the price of freedom is never free... and sometime you have give up all your freedom to risk it all.


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Posted on Sat, Aug 09, 2008 16:04

Quoting robtest: There is a great difference between having sex and making love. It is best not to confuse the two, and it causes great controversy in a relationship when one partner is looking for sex and the other partner is looking for love... But thanks for sharing with us parts of Francisco D'Anconia's Speech: Sex and Morality. And BTW, as a matter of protocol here on MM, we generally give credit to other's work when we borrow it.

With all due respect Rob, she did reference the book.


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Posted on Sat, Aug 09, 2008 09:06

There is a great difference between having sex and making love. It is best not to confuse the two, and it causes great controversy in a relationship when one partner is looking for sex and the other partner is looking for love... But thanks for sharing with us parts of Francisco D'Anconia's Speech: Sex and Morality. And BTW, as a matter of protocol here on MM, we generally give credit to other's work when we borrow it.


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Posted on Sat, Aug 09, 2008 06:41

Who is John Galt? Have you read "The Fountainhead"? I was a big Ayn Rand fan in my late teens and early twenties. I think you had to be there when the struggle between capitalism and socialism was peaking. I hope you find that the sexual intimacy developed within a loving relationship is far different than what is described here.


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Posted on Fri, Aug 08, 2008 21:39

I don't think sex is quite this complicated, but nice writing for sure.


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