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Posted on Thu, May 17, 2007 15:44

Older Female Means Better Sex ... At least for male chimpanzees :o) (source = SOFTPEDIA BEHAVIOR/HUMANS NEWS) Scientists have discovered one of the biggest behavioral differences between chimpanzee and man: chimpanzee males prefer sex with older females, opposite to human preference. Male chimps compete intensively and even fight over the oldest females, while the youngest female chimps have to work harder to get masculine attention. "It's really dramatic because it's not just that the old chimps are avoiding the youngest adult females. They actually have a strong preference for the older mothers," said anthropologist Martin Muller at Boston University. Compared to younger females, older females were more likely to be approached for copulation, associated with males more often during estrous periods, copulated more frequently with high-ranking males, and gave rise to higher rates of male-on-male aggression during mating period. "The males fight over them more," Muller said. "They don't have to do anything to get the males interested. The males find them. They follow them around. If you look at the very youngest females, the males will mate with them but it does take more work on the female's part." The team studied mating behavior on chimpanzees living in the Kanyawara community of Kibale National Park in Uganda. "Chimpanzee copulations are frequently preceded by a series of male courtship signals (e.g., glancing with erect penis and branch shaking), after which either the male or the female approaches the other to mate," The researchers wanted to see if chimpanzees behave like humans - their closest living relatives - who form long-term pairs and who value younger females. The results were the opposite. Unlike humans, female chimpanzees can warn around about their fertility, with bright red bottom swellings. Apparently, chimpanzee females are fertile their entire lives, although they rarely live beyond the age of 40 in the wild and chimpanzees participate in a relatively promiscuous mating system. Humans form long-term mating partnerships, and younger females are more valuable, having a greater reproductive potential as female fertility is limited by menopause. "Older female chimpanzees are more dominant socially and have access to better food." Muller said. "The females that have access to the most food are the most fecund -- the most likely to conceive in any cycle," he said. Older females may also be better mothers as they are more experienced. "The males do end up mating with all the females for the most part," Muller noted. "People assume that young females are more fertile than older females", but as female chimpanzees do not experience menopause, that's without importance for chimps. "Human men seeking progeny may need to start with younger prospective mothers," Muller said. "Chimpanzee males may not find the wrinkled skin, ragged ears, irregular bald patches, and elongated nipples of their aged females as alluring as human men find the full lips and smooth complexions of young women, but they are clearly not reacting negatively to such cues," the researchers concluded. Thus, the monogamy and menopause deeply influenced the preference of human males for young females. This human trait may have appeared in the human lineage after the split from the common branch with the chimps.


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Posted on Thu, Mar 27, 2008 07:46

chimp research has advanced eons over the last few years. Sex is the least of it. They have culture, they invent and use tools, and they teach their children how to thrive, not just survive. Its only natural that an experienced adult would be favored, for ALL her advantages. Personally, I'de prefer to have a bonobo for a mate over a chimp. All sex all the time.Much more peaceful, too. Amazons..a current anthropological theory is that the orgins of women called "Amazons" were from Mongolia.Mongolians were a fierce people known for their warring. A PBS special chronicled the search for tall blonde mongols..as this fit the description of the fabled warriors. Mongols, on the whole , are short and dark haired. In the remote hill regions, researchers DID find tall blonde mongolian females. They were astounded. The girls were quite beautiful, though startling in comparision to others. Ah well,,, whatever. I need to go get myself a fix of hot monkey love.lol


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Posted on Sun, May 20, 2007 08:02

It kinda brings new meaning to "monkeying around" :o) I guess it points to the differences between male chimps and male humans. The male chimps are looking for the best mothers as any species should to propagate, and men are just looking for sex. I am surprised no one called the little chimp men "gold diggers" though... They are not going after the "sexier" younger chimp chicks, but going after the influential more matriarchial figures... Yes, you bring up a good point ANaturaLynn. Men "peak" sexually at about 19, and it is all downhill from there, whereas women increase with age. My personal theory is that sex becomes increasingly more intense for a woman, and then around the age of 50, her circuits just fry out! Just kidding, but it might be one explanation for menopause. QueenOYD, the mating rituals of the warrior race of women known as Amazons I think would be much akin to those of spiders and preying mantises, who actually rip the head off their male lover and then inseminate themselves as the male flops around for his last few minutes... I guess that this would prove that the male of that species doesn't use it's brain when it comes to sex much like our species! If you search for "Women's Lib, Amazon Style 1971", you should get a hit from Time Magazine. It speaks of "three secret caves decorated with mysterious markings". "In one of the caves, Sales found a rock with a large basin-like hole gouged out of it; there were also grooves running into the basin. That brought to mind one old account of the Amazons drinking the blood of their slaughtered male offspring; Sales believes the basin was designed to catch blood from the infants slaughtered on the stone." "Copulatorium. Some five miles from the caves, Sales discovered still more evidence of the Amazon culture: a huge stone with stairs carved into its side. The top of the rock was artificially smoothed and was probably used as a platform; on it are side-by-side carvings of a triangle and phallus, the only male symbol found in the area. Sales concludes that the stone was the Amazons' copulatorium, or ritual mating site." I wonder if those women are still wandering around in the jungles of Brazil??? LOL Talk about bad date. Meet a hot chick, get a little tipsy from drinking and wake up naked on a rock with her and 20 of her girlfriends. Hey GuitarGurl! Long time no see, Hope your life is going well. Yes, ole Ben was quite fond of the ladies and older ladies in particular. Search "Benjamin Franklin, Advice to a Young Man on the Choice of a Mistress (1745)" for the full phrasing of your paraphrase. LOL Hmmmm, I wonder if chimps believe in soulmates... I did find another interesting article while googling around. Search for "When Roger met Jane: zoologists and life-long friends" and you should get an article from Cosmos that is very "cosmo"-like. LOL It is about a meeting between renowned British primatologist Jane Goodall and Australian biologist Roger Short. Here was an interesting remark about breast feeding and frequency of reproduction. "And she shocked herself, too. Although chimps were so like us, she had thought that they were a nicer version. But then the main group she was studying splintered to form two adjoining clans and what followed was all-out warfare until the last male, female and child of the splinter group were annihilated. As Jane reflected, "my garden of Eden changed overnight to a very dark jungle." Goodall's approach to ethology treated chimps as individuals, and made use of human intuition to interpret chimp behaviour. It was a far cry from the orthodox approach, where the observer maintains an arm's length, clinical, descriptive style. And while many wildlife researchers today are clearly influenced by her - most use names and universities teach courses in animals emotions and personality ? Goodall is still on the defensive. "The point is they [chimps] share 99 per cent of our DNA and our brain structure - so why shouldn't they share our behaviours?" she asks, taking a break from a recent tour of Australia. "You use your intuition, but then you go back and check whether your interpretation was right. Sometimes it's the perfect jump off point for a scientific investigation. Does it happen again in the same context?" But decades ago both Goodall and Short left their beloved animal research: Short's turning point came in the late 1960s. In the course of a conversation with Peter Scott, then president of the World Wild Fun for Nature, Scott's eyes took on a far away look and he said: "I set up the WWF to save endangered species. I've spent millions and failed. If we'd have put all that money into condoms we'd have done better." That comment was the trigger that directed Short's attention to his own species. He went on to head a human fertility research centre in Edinburgh. Here he discovered the natural role breast-feeding plays in limiting human fertility. In traditional human groups, mothers who suckled on demand gave birth only once every four years. When he consulted Goodall, she could report that amongst her chimpanzee mothers (who also suckled on demand) they similarly gave birth only once every five years." ROFLMAO, Hmmm, a nicer version of us. Maybe Guys should think about chimps as an alternative too. After all, there are all those hot young chimpettes that ain't getting no loving! Just kidding. Besides, I don't know that we can compete with chimp males. They are hung like donkeys... By contrast, the relatively diminutive chimp has genitalia five times larger than a gorilla.


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Posted on Sat, May 19, 2007 04:37

Thx Robtest, highly gratifying - I hadnt checked out the blogs in quite a while and your certainly made the visit worthwhile. Oh, one more thing, this reminds me of a quote from Benjamin Franklin (who had QUITE a way with the ladies): On why he preferred older women, he replied "They dont tell, they dont swell (meaning get pregnant), and they are as grateful as hell"


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Posted on Sat, May 19, 2007 04:01

This is a funny one Robtest. I wonder how they Amazons used to pick the men they choose to mate with? Do you know?

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Posted on Fri, May 18, 2007 13:53

Dear Rob It's always fun to see scientific or zoological sources that attempt to explain or expand upon human behaviour. What I am wondering, is this, considering that there is considerable evidence that men do not get better with age in the sex department, and that there is considerable evidence that women do improve in various parameters of sexuality as they age, could it be that the chimps figured it out before you did????? Any way all in good fun, ANaturalynn


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Posted on Fri, May 18, 2007 06:13

LOL @ Kisses!! Too funny.


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Posted on Fri, May 18, 2007 05:40

They probably don't want to wear protection. ; - (


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Posted on Fri, May 18, 2007 01:24

Maybe I'll settle for a CHIMP as well; at least he thinks with the brain in his head; as opposed to the CHUMP who only has use of the lower brain.


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Posted on Fri, May 18, 2007 00:49

LOL...


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Posted on Fri, May 18, 2007 00:11

uptown girl... That's hysterical.. That explains my last boyfriend though, I always thought he was a primate ! Better stock up on bananas.. : )


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Posted on Fri, May 18, 2007 00:00

Guess I'll give up on the human male. Where is MY monkey??? I'll share my food.


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