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Posted on Mon, Feb 12, 2007 23:24

Ok, here's my piece. Remember when Nascarowner's facade was crumbling a bit? And people kept defending him, saying that even if he wasn't being exactly truthful, he was still a good guy? I feel the same way about Healey. He isn't a jerk, he just had a jerk-like moment. Or two. Or ten. He is a good guy. Chivalrous and funny as hell. But he got pushed too far and said some things he shouldn't have said. I was pissed when I read some of his comments, ask Trey- he had to listen to me. Then I asked myself, "How would I feel if my good intentions were turned into an act of petty jealousy?" From day one, Healey was attacked and reviled for trying to open our eyes to the truth. People said that he was just trying to diminish Tim so the attention would be back on him. He was told that he just wanted to control others. The poor guy was just trying to look out for us. And we reamed him. Repeatedly. I don't like the fact that he called women stupid. But I am trying to understand where he was coming from. And I understand frustration and anger. I think we all do. Katie, SO, Cassie and Co. I am sorry you were hurt by some of the things Healey said. I think anyone that reads what you have to say knows that you are smart women. Beautiful women, insightful women. Forgiving women, hopefully? Women that will not allow this resentment to start another war? I hope that is the case, because if we continue along this vein, that is exactly where we are headed. And none of us want to go there again. Healey, I love you to pieces. You make me laugh and you have been nothing but kind to me. But perhaps an apology is in order? These ladies aren't stupid. They aren't hens, they aren't cows, as far as I can see they don't resemble barnyard animals of any kind. They are just hurting. All because they wanted to have faith in someone. I want them to have faith in you again, just as I do. I think an apology might go a long way. As for Trey, I can't recall him saying anything denigrating to women that wasn't totally tongue-in-cheek. He gets lumped in with Healey for better or for worse. Lucklily for him, with Healey, it's usually for better. Let me assure you ladies that if given the opportunity, he is one of the finest gentlemen I have ever met. Kind, Funny. Sweet. A good friend. Handsome on top of all that. Hey, if I lived in NC we might be married by now, (I would have to tie him up and drug him to get him to the altar, but that's a whole 'nother story) That's how much I love the guy. I just want peace. I want us all to respect each other and try to understand each others motives. So attack me if you wish, I can take it. Put all the anger on me if you have to, Trey will tell you that I have a temper, but it is long to burn and quick to die. Just please try and move along. In friendship and blogging harmony.


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KatieGirlK2B
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Posted on Thu, Feb 15, 2007 15:53

Sep, how do you know who believes NCO is real?


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Posted on Tue, Feb 13, 2007 09:17

Will... I won't do that. Not because I don't care for you- I do! But because I have never deleted someone's comments to my blog. And I won't. It's a principle thing, everyone has a right to say their piece, even if they don't agree with me.


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Posted on Tue, Feb 13, 2007 09:10

I see Trey you trying to get rid of the good looking guys to reduce the opposition for all the lovely women on here . Well done give some of us not quite so good looking guys a chance ;o)


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Posted on Tue, Feb 13, 2007 08:43

MorningAngel Once again you and Preciouz think very deeply and chose your words well. You are being the voice of reason and I hope people will listen to the comment you make Debbie, Gem and IWTBH you all make very valid points and show great wisdom I think it is time to end all this bickering in public and return to peace and harmony. I, like MorningAngel, enjoy a good debate and can take the contrary side to get things going but it is not meant in anyway to be nasty and we are all adult enough to know that there will be times when we have to agree to disagree. We are not children in the playground who because somebody does not have the same opinion we have to 'throw our toys out of the cot' We should by now have learned the value of compromise where possible and that sometimes we will just not have the same opinion and accept it.


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Posted on Tue, Feb 13, 2007 07:47

Lauren, of course, you're right. I didn't mean to start anything new. But I wish to hell people would stop saying I "fell under NascarTim's spell." Let me tell you the truth. Tim began emailing me essentially, just to gripe. I had no problems with that but one day he wrote a nice supportive blog about me and, tongue in cheek, I told him something like, "Wow! I so love you!" Well, he wrote back that he was maybe falling in love with me too. I thought this was sweet, but hell, I've been told that dozens of times by men I've only corresponded online. It isn't real! It isn't possible any more than it's possible to be seriously in love with the hero or heroine in a book! Anyway, he said he wanted to meet me, in Texas. I said THAT wasn't likely because I blew all my budget on Christmas. He said not to worry about the cost because he would get his staff to set up the plane tickets and I could stay with him or, if I felt apprehensive, I could stay with NDA. Naturally, I said sure! I'm no dummy! (But I DID say I'd pay him back!) But, c'mon! ... I'm old enough to know ... I'll believe it when I see it! There was no swooning, no adoration, no expectations other than a fun time! All I had to do was wait until Valentine's Day. So I did. I was supposed to be flown out of Toronto today or tomorrow to go to Texas as his guest. I am under no misunderstandings that it's gonna happen. AND THAT'S OKAY! I would have gone, on a free trip to Texas! Who wouldn't? But I wasn't holding my breath or I'd be dead now! I haven't even packed yet. Not one thing. Haven't dug out my passport from my deposit box, haven't gotten my hair done or my nails. Nothing. Just because you're nice to someone doesn't mean you've gone all loopy for them!!!!! I hope this ends the rampant speculation about my history with NascarTim. I'll tell you one thing though ... unless George starts flirting a lot more with his gorgeous abs all hanging out, and Robtest posts that pic of him holding his shirt up ... it's pretty dull around here. Can't say I don't miss the flirting......


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Posted on Tue, Feb 13, 2007 07:38

You know when this all started I simply asked people to keep an open mind and be objective to everything. I told some to be careful and to watch out. I said (politely too I'll add) Educate don't attack. I presented alternative opinions and options to some of the attacks. Again and again i've simply said.. it is possible, there ARE people out there in the world like this. I agree with what Precious is saying completely. I think that they had good intentions. Trey I can only say good about. He's always been a gentleman towards me (and I'll over look any times he wasn't *L*) Healey.. he is simply Healey. And I'm adult enough to agree to disagree. Though I will admit to taking the opposite side intentionally sometimes. Sometimes someone who is good in debating will choose one side regardless of how they feel about the topic simply to raise questions and get people thinking. Again preciouz is right. This should be a place where we come to make friends, to have good fun and discuss various topics. We won't always agree with each other and we won't always like each other. But that is part of life. But respect the differences and don't attack please. If you have a problem and feel it's a serious one, take it up with the staff.


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Posted on Tue, Feb 13, 2007 03:05

the ones that continue to believe in nco ARE stupid. No excuse.


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Posted on Tue, Feb 13, 2007 02:25

To make the animosity public achieves nothing but causes sides to be chosen and then friendships can be strained Preciouz you speak very wisely and I can tell what you write is from the soul. You mention one very important word RESPECT, as does Mister Tee, everyone on here deserves to be given respect unitl they show themselves not worthy of such and even then it is something to talked about in private not in public forum Preciouz I support your peacemaking efforts and hope that the parties who read this know it is meant in the spirit of true friendship to help them deal with the hurt and damage that has been done.


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Posted on Tue, Feb 13, 2007 02:18

This was my original thoughts....when this whole thing started.....I posted...but can not find it....so I am reposting......lol...:) I in all honesty??.believe that both parties of this fracas?.has valid points..! Trey and Healey: I do believe have the best of intentions ; As in trying to steer the women on this blogs away from heartache and embarrassment???Not out of ill intent or jealousy or envy?..but really out of sheer kindness and a deep-rooted sense of Chivalry?.Yes!... I do believe that. What they are doing is really what any family member, close friends?.or brother would do??You can?t say your brother is jealous now?..or can you..?......... (There?s a true story here...) I also believe that the women ?..Have the rights to make their own mistakes??..Everyone has that right??..But what am saying here is... I?d rather make my mistakes with a person that is at least real?? We invest our time and energy into?..First; sending a wink??Then; comes the e-mails??.then the exchange of Personal In-formations?.etc??Quite frankly it?s a long dragging?.endless task, and I?d rather waste or invest that time in the real thing. These guys are not the bad guys?..rather they are what is needed around here??..I don?t know either of them?..but I believe; they have the best of intentions.. Ok?..so some words were thrown around??It happens when emotions are running high?..and it also happens when you?.feel strongly about a particular subject or actions?.As was in this case. I believe that what they are trying to do is prevent F.E.A.R?..yes??.It means: F??.False E??.Evidence A??..Appearing R??..Real. True?it?s our duty to find out for ourselves if the man we are interested in?.is real or not??.It?s also our friend?s duty to point out the pitfalls along the way?.. What is it that my mother used to say?..I remember?..Love or rather Infatuation is blind??.and we don?t necessarily want to see the alarm bells?..or be gracious to you for pointing them out, because the truth is always bitter??I?d rather see them?than to be miserable afterwards??.my love carries a Torch?.a Fluorescent bulb?. a Lantern?.and the Street Lamp?.. I hope?.I pray?.and wish?that when I?m about to make a fool of me?.someone will be there to steer me in the right direction. The Ladies: They make a good point??.in that?..They have the right to make their own minds up?? Either with a troll?.or with whom ever it is that they so desire??There?s nothing anyone can do about that! From their point of view?..They demand that?.no-one is accused of being either a troll?..or a phoney??until??they reveal themselves as one?..That I understand. Moreover?I think what they are saying is that; the way this was handled ??wasn?t really to anyone?s benefit??but rather vile, degrading and certainly uncalled for??..It should have been handled with finesse a little bit more. Instead of the name-calling?patronizations and haughty high-handedness we approached this with?..we could have been more diplomatic??and tried to solve this privately?.with the parties involved. I can also relate to the fact that?..that I want to differ from anyone?without running the risk of being called weak, na?ve, desperate and undeserving! Agree to disagree comes to mind right now. In saying this?.I hope this place?..becomes a safe haven?.where we can all come to make friends?..to just enjoy that,?..that is us?. most of all to embrace and appreciate the very thing we all seek?.someone to take solace in, to accept the diversities that will, always will be with these blogs...Don?t forget Respect?.It?s in there too. Now....a lot has gone on since then.........All chips are down......We have seen all the evidences....presented.......and I can honestly say.......In as much....as I believe in being respectful to others...and will treat them as I would want to treated......I still have this nagging feelings........So....I am doing all I can to get it to make sense........So pardon....me while I still.......Just one more chip....then I will know.... And GOD said.....Let there be LIGHT! and there was light.......lol


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