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Posted on Mon, Nov 04, 2013 12:55

The teachers don't like them, I agree with you.



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Posted on Mon, Nov 04, 2013 00:09

Bernie Sanders is a brain dead lying socialist communist who doesn't deal with reality. He believes stealing money from hardworking people to give to people who could work, but don't want to work is a good thing..He does nothing to create jobs, just like the rest of the adminstration  I will expand on this thought later.  Yes, the correct word is stealing.. Get over it.

Barney thinks more taxes will solve the problems..  Please read again my initial post, line by line..  His solution won't do crap..  Less spending, more jobs, fewer money eating regulations, reducing the size of big government, etc. is the answer. There are several agencies that do nothing to help this country, such as education, health, EPA, etc. - that couldn't be done better by the states and usually duplicates the state efforts, and often hinders them. Just ask any teacher if they like the Federal education regulations and requirements.  more later

 



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Yes, I am probably a sucker for a good speech. I keep trying; it is a responsibility.  I guess that's why the poor with the very simple things in life give up trying to follow things. They hurry and vote things in, look at this health care thing.  So what did Bernie Sanders say that you feel is incorrect? What about multi corporations not paying federal taxes? Also, please clarify first you said the wealthy benefit most, then the poor will be looking for someone to blame and they should look in the mirror-so it then seems as though you're saying it's the poor's fault for accepting whatever is free.  I am poor and not afraid to admit it; but I work and keep trying-voted the best I could with the options given for what is good for the country-not for what I thought I would get- so no guilt here; but the President won again.  I just wonder how Romney thought  he would ever win with that hard stance of his against the poor- was that for real? I didn't like his running mate choice either. One thing is for sure, the poor must help themselves. Most of the segment of population I was brought up to believe were middle class were probably actually poor, given that like you say, there are people who have so much money it boggles the mind.  Rather than using Medicare and SS as they were intended to be used, they have grown to depend on them entirely for retirement, not a good move now with companies not taking care of people for retirement like they used to. Also, it's true that many consider what is supposed to be temporary help an entitlement; something they are owed.  That is the difference between then and now for those who immigrate here. America, in many ways, has become morally frightening.  Rap and hip hop are part of it if you ask me, the dummying down of America.  We don't grade children in grade school anymore, they either are satisfactory or unsatisfactory in their classes.  We are systematically changing everything to be easier but in reality it will make things worse. Incidently, did anyone notice the Obamas using slang and street talk during their campaign, it was never brought up in the media. Those folks shoulda caught that! I think that was so obviously staged.  President Obama has done some good things and with all due respect is our President; but how we could go from what Clinton left to this is just unbelieveable.



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Posted on Sun, Nov 03, 2013 18:36

Quoting SundanceWoman:

I probably won't be very popular on this site for submitting this but here goes anyway, who thinks this is even close to the truth? This is part of an OpEdNews article.

This is from Sen. Bernie Sanders.

As  a member of the U.S. Senate Budget Committee, I am more than aware that a $17 trillion dollar national debt and a $700 billion deficit are serious problems that must be addressed.

But I am also aware that real unemployment is close to 14 percent, that tens of millions of Americans are working for horrendously low wages, that more Americans are now living in poverty than ever before and that wealth and income inequality in the United States is now greater than in any other major country -- with the gap between the very rich and everyone else growing wider and wider.

Further, when we talk about the national budget, it is vitally important that we remember how we got into this fiscal crisis in the first place and who was responsible for it. Let us never forget that when Bill Clinton left office in January of 2001, the U.S. had a budget surplus of $236 billion with projected budget surpluses as far as the eye could see. During that time, the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office projected a 10-year budget surplus of $5.6 trillion, enough to erase the entire national debt by the end of 2011.

What happened? How did we, in a few short years, go from a large budget surplus into horrendous debt? The answer is not that complicated. Under President Bush we went to wars in Afghanistan and Iraq -- and didn't pay for them. We just put them on the credit card. The cost of those wars is estimated to be between $4 trillion to $6 trillion. Further, Bush and Congress passed an expensive prescription drug program that was unpaid for. They also reduced revenue by giving huge tax breaks to the wealthy and large corporations. On top of all that, the Wall Street collapse and ensuing recession significantly reduced tax receipts and increased spending for unemployment compensation and food stamps, further exacerbating the deficit situation.

Interestingly, the so-called congressional "deficit hawks" -- Congressman Paul Ryan, Senator Jeff Sessions and other conservative Republicans -- all voted for those measures that increased the deficit. These are the same folks who now want to dismantle virtually every social program designed to protect working families, the elderly, the children, the sick and the poor. In other words, it's okay to spend trillions on a war we should never have waged and large defense budgets, and provide huge tax breaks for billionaires and multi-national corporations. It's just not okay when, in very difficult economic times, we try to protect the most vulnerable people in our country.

Where do we go from here? How do we now draft a federal budget which creates jobs, makes our country more productive, protects working families and lowers the deficit?

For a start, we have to understand that, from both a moral and economic perspective, we cannot impose more austerity on the people of our country who are already suffering. The time is now for the wealthy and multi-national corporations who are doing phenomenally well to help us rebuild America and lower our deficit.

 

At a time when the richest 1 percent own 38 percent of the financial wealth of America, while the bottom 60 percent own a mere 2.3 percent -- we cannot balance the budget on the backs of people who have virtually nothing. When 95 percent of all new income during 2009 through 2012 went to the top 1 percent, while tens of millions of working Americans saw a decline in their income, we cannot cut programs that these workers depend upon.

Instead of talking about cuts in Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid, we must end the absurdity of one out of four corporations in America not paying a nickel in federal income taxes. At a time when multi-national corporations and the wealthy are avoiding more than $100 billion a year in taxes by stashing money in tax havens like the Cayman Islands and Bermuda, we need to make them pay taxes just like middle-class Americans. The truth of the matter is that according to the most recent information available profitable corporations are only paying 13 percent of their income in federal taxes which is near a 40-year low.

While in January 2013, we successfully ended Bush's tax breaks for the richest 1 percent, the truth is that they continue to exist for the top 2 percent, those households earning between $250,000 and $450,000 a year. That must end.



Here's the first problem:  You are using a quote from a politician, and politicians are crooks and spin doctors.  Their only goal is to get re-elected, so they say what you want to hear.  There is just enough truth in what a politician says to make you believe what they are saying.  I've been around politicians a lot, and I've spent years understanding economics, and I can tell you that Bush did contribute to the current debt, but Obama continued the tradition exponentially.  And debt is not a bad thing, it becomes bad when it's out of control.  Fact:  85 billion dollars per month is being printed and pumped into the market by the FED (under Obama and because of his policies).  Who has benefited the most?, the extremely wealthy.  Under Obama, the wealthy have gained more than any time in history, while the middle class is getting destroyed and the poor are suffering.  And when I use the term wealthy, I'm not speaking of someone that has 1 million or even 10 million...I'm speaking of hundreds of millions and billions.  People that have more than they will ever need.  No, don't blame Bush, don't even blame Obama...the ultimate blame falls on the American people and their greed and ignorance.  And it will be the poorest that pay the most, blind to what is really causing the problem, and looking for someone to blame.  The first place they should look to place blame, is in the mirror. 

 

Now, here's a personal story.  I know this older guy that voted for Obama.  He's always been a Democrat.  Which is understandable because of his age and the history of the parties in Alabama.  He doesn't have much, part of which is his own fault.  He voted for Obama, simply because he thought he would ultimately get more from the government.  Well, now he's gripping about ObamaCare and how he's having to pay more.  I listened to him for over 2 hours tell me how everyone that he knows is going to have to pay more.  All of which I know is true, because my insurance went up $80 a month and I haven't ever used it, not a single time.  So, I told this guy "I know we don't aways agree and I tend to be more conservative"  at which point he said: "no I've switched sides"  I said, "really!, so you are not voting Democrat next election?...you are going to vote Republican?" to which he replied "I'm voting Tea Party"  I laughed and told him that the Tea Party was just the illegitimate child of the Republican party. So where am I going with this story.  You see, people place selfish votes.  They vote for the politician that they believe will help them the most personally.  They don't vote for the good of the nation.  Greed at every level.  So this older guy voted for Obama when he thought he would get more from the government, but now that the government is taking more from him, he's changed his mind.  And there is the problem.  People have forgotten we are ONE Nation united (under God).  Instead society has become a nation of "what's good for me personally and everyone else doesn't matter".  That is why things will get worse.  Then America will be humbled and broken, then we will either become morally worse or better.  I'm hoping for better.



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Posted on Sun, Nov 03, 2013 15:26

I probably won't be very popular on this site for submitting this but here goes anyway, who thinks this is even close to the truth? This is part of an OpEdNews article.

This is from Sen. Bernie Sanders.

As  a member of the U.S. Senate Budget Committee, I am more than aware that a $17 trillion dollar national debt and a $700 billion deficit are serious problems that must be addressed.

But I am also aware that real unemployment is close to 14 percent, that tens of millions of Americans are working for horrendously low wages, that more Americans are now living in poverty than ever before and that wealth and income inequality in the United States is now greater than in any other major country -- with the gap between the very rich and everyone else growing wider and wider.

Further, when we talk about the national budget, it is vitally important that we remember how we got into this fiscal crisis in the first place and who was responsible for it. Let us never forget that when Bill Clinton left office in January of 2001, the U.S. had a budget surplus of $236 billion with projected budget surpluses as far as the eye could see. During that time, the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office projected a 10-year budget surplus of $5.6 trillion, enough to erase the entire national debt by the end of 2011.

What happened? How did we, in a few short years, go from a large budget surplus into horrendous debt? The answer is not that complicated. Under President Bush we went to wars in Afghanistan and Iraq -- and didn't pay for them. We just put them on the credit card. The cost of those wars is estimated to be between $4 trillion to $6 trillion. Further, Bush and Congress passed an expensive prescription drug program that was unpaid for. They also reduced revenue by giving huge tax breaks to the wealthy and large corporations. On top of all that, the Wall Street collapse and ensuing recession significantly reduced tax receipts and increased spending for unemployment compensation and food stamps, further exacerbating the deficit situation.

Interestingly, the so-called congressional "deficit hawks" -- Congressman Paul Ryan, Senator Jeff Sessions and other conservative Republicans -- all voted for those measures that increased the deficit. These are the same folks who now want to dismantle virtually every social program designed to protect working families, the elderly, the children, the sick and the poor. In other words, it's okay to spend trillions on a war we should never have waged and large defense budgets, and provide huge tax breaks for billionaires and multi-national corporations. It's just not okay when, in very difficult economic times, we try to protect the most vulnerable people in our country.

Where do we go from here? How do we now draft a federal budget which creates jobs, makes our country more productive, protects working families and lowers the deficit?

For a start, we have to understand that, from both a moral and economic perspective, we cannot impose more austerity on the people of our country who are already suffering. The time is now for the wealthy and multi-national corporations who are doing phenomenally well to help us rebuild America and lower our deficit.

 

At a time when the richest 1 percent own 38 percent of the financial wealth of America, while the bottom 60 percent own a mere 2.3 percent -- we cannot balance the budget on the backs of people who have virtually nothing. When 95 percent of all new income during 2009 through 2012 went to the top 1 percent, while tens of millions of working Americans saw a decline in their income, we cannot cut programs that these workers depend upon.

Instead of talking about cuts in Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid, we must end the absurdity of one out of four corporations in America not paying a nickel in federal income taxes. At a time when multi-national corporations and the wealthy are avoiding more than $100 billion a year in taxes by stashing money in tax havens like the Cayman Islands and Bermuda, we need to make them pay taxes just like middle-class Americans. The truth of the matter is that according to the most recent information available profitable corporations are only paying 13 percent of their income in federal taxes which is near a 40-year low.

While in January 2013, we successfully ended Bush's tax breaks for the richest 1 percent, the truth is that they continue to exist for the top 2 percent, those households earning between $250,000 and $450,000 a year. That must end.



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Posted on Thu, Oct 31, 2013 08:11

Quoting Curious2078:

Now, why, Bernie, do you think people aren't listening?????????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

They simply don't want to know the truth?

 

The same way folks didn't want to know the truth when Churchill was preaching it way back when?

 

Sigh.............



So happy to see you back around Pat.  I missed you...or at least I thought about you from time to time. :)  And yes, a small deck can be much more warm, homely and easier to clean.

 

I believe some people are listening but have no idea what to do, and just hope it doesn't happen.  Some are just oblivious.  Some are going to extremes in the wrong direction.  And some will just jump off a large building when the time comes.  We make it seem like it's going to be the end of the world.  It will not, it will come slowly.  In fact we are already feeling the start and have been.  The real problem will arise when the gov. can no longer pay.  What angers me is that I can see the government take away Social Security checks from people that have worked all their life and paid in, and continue to send out checks to those that have not.  They will justify this by looking at ones savings and say, "hey you have enough, you don't need this"  but "this person over hear needs this check to survive".  Yet that person has paid very little into the system and has lived life recklessly.  So the government punishes those that have worked and saved while rewarding those that have lived recklessly?  So what does that tell the next generation??? How should they live to reap the rewards?  Bingo!!! That's why government assistance is at a all time high.  And that is why crap will hit the fan sooner or later in this area.



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Posted on Thu, Oct 31, 2013 07:56

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Is anyone preparing a alternate place to live, in case the big towns and cities get dangerous.  A small group of like minded folks would be best.  Know of any?


LOL, WWWW I live out of the city and live the kind of lifestyle you are thinking of...every day.  But everyone will be negatively effected.  What bothers me the most is my savings.  My financial advisor emailed me the other day asking me what I wanted to do with some money that had matured, I didn't email her back because honestly, I have no idea.  No idea as in investing with her (She's a nice lady so I don't want to remove the money I have with her) but I'd be lucky to get 2 percent interest.  Yeah, it's something but not much and one always wonders if higher interest rates are around the corner and it would be better to wait to lock in money.  I need to be a little more pro-active.  I'm going to get all my farm equipment in better shape.  Also if I see things getting worse then I'll buy more bullets.  I'd like to solely blame the politicians but the American people are to blame even more.  We elected them and bought their snake oil.

 

What if a man ran for President that really wanted to turn things around???  Turning things around would be painful for the nation.  How long would this person stay president and in what manner would he be removed? 

 

If I had been president, I would have printed dollars and bought gold without the world knowing.  Then when the price ran up due to the weak dollar (printing) I would have dumped it on the world and exchanged it for resources or to pay down the debt.  Then we could have done a reverse split on the dollar...okay maybe not.

 

Insider trading is illegal for most of us (exclude congress and it aids) but what if a very large group of Americans had insider knowledge given to them by the government that allowed them to make huge money in the market for the benefit of the USA?  Hell, getting out from under that huge pile of debt isn't going to be easy, we need to come up with some kind of scheme.



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Posted on Wed, Oct 30, 2013 17:29

Now, why, Bernie, do you think people aren't listening?????????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

They simply don't want to know the truth?

 

The same way folks didn't want to know the truth when Churchill was preaching it way back when?

 

Sigh.............



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Posted on Wed, Oct 30, 2013 17:26

Quoting Dakota35:

Well that all sounds positive!  I like it, but of course you can be positive, living in Texas a great conservative state!  I had to re-check your profile to make sure I was correct.  But Texas IMHO is a great state.  Diana, you'd think some of that Texas Southern conservative charm would rub off on you. :-)  I hope all your plans come TRUE this year.  Why do all the women want a big deck...on their home?  I guess it makes the party better as long as it's built well and doesn't collapse. 



Personally, I like a small deck, with a large overhang to keep out the sun as I can't take too much of that grand old sun without going "sunstroke."

 

LOL

 

 



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Posted on Wed, Oct 30, 2013 16:23

Is anyone preparing a alternate place to live, in case the big towns and cities get dangerous.  A small group of like minded folks would be best.  Know of any?



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Posted on Wed, Oct 30, 2013 14:36

I think I need to start renting rooms on this blog.. it's out of control.. lol.... just saying...



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Posted on Tue, Oct 29, 2013 20:31

Indeed Dak!  Women do like big decks….and having parties!!   Lololo



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Posted on Tue, Oct 29, 2013 09:46

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WWWW~

Hmmmm.....well....I still have plans to sell my house....but if I don't get my price...I'll just live here until next Spring, when I plan to have a big 'Spring Fling' party on my new deck.  :))  I'm very pleased with it so far, but have put too much work and money into it.  Never the less...I'm very happy with it.  :))  *wink* 

 

Hmmmm....I have plans to meet the love of my life....and live ...and love like crazy.....being ever mindful how privileged I am to be growing older.  Many don't have that privilege.

 

PS:  The holidays are almost here again!  :))  I think this will be my 3rd season.  *sigh*  I have big hopes that this year is the one!  It's not over yet.  And yes....I have really big plans to be happy in my old age.  lolol

 

Sorry for the hijack....all y'all!



Well that all sounds positive!  I like it, but of course you can be positive, living in Texas a great conservative state!  I had to re-check your profile to make sure I was correct.  But Texas IMHO is a great state.  Diana, you'd think some of that Texas Southern conservative charm would rub off on you. :-)  I hope all your plans come TRUE this year.  Why do all the women want a big deck...on their home?  I guess it makes the party better as long as it's built well and doesn't collapse. 



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Posted on Mon, Oct 28, 2013 20:34

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I agree, it has gone too far to reverse.. Politically incorrect also. Anyone even proposing a partial solution, even a minor cut in spending,  gets stomped on my the brain dead in denial libatards.

I see a few conservativs making a few preps, thinking about what the future might bring. It's hard to predict exactly what might happen but looking at what happened when other countries ran the printing presses dry might give you a clue.

Anyone out there in MM land making any plans they would like to share?

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WWWW~

Hmmmm.....well....I still have plans to sell my house....but if I don't get my price...I'll just live here until next Spring, when I plan to have a big 'Spring Fling' party on my new deck.  :))  I'm very pleased with it so far, but have put too much work and money into it.  Never the less...I'm very happy with it.  :))  *wink* 

 

Hmmmm....I have plans to meet the love of my life....and live ...and love like crazy.....being ever mindful how privileged I am to be growing older.  Many don't have that privilege.

 

PS:  The holidays are almost here again!  :))  I think this will be my 3rd season.  *sigh*  I have big hopes that this year is the one!  It's not over yet.  And yes....I have really big plans to be happy in my old age.  lolol

 

Sorry for the hijack....all y'all!



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Posted on Mon, Oct 28, 2013 20:19

Quoting wwww12345:

I agree, it has gone too far to reverse.. Politically incorrect also. Anyone even proposing a partial solution, even a minor cut in spending,  gets stomped on my the brain dead in denial libatards.

I see a few conservativs making a few preps, thinking about what the future might bring. It's hard to predict exactly what might happen but looking at what happened when other countries ran the printing presses dry might give you a clue.

Anyone out there in MM land making any plans they would like to share?

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Buy Precious metals.  Not so much as a investment but as a safety net.  Kind of like a generator but you hope the power never goes out so you have to use it...or a storm shelter.  Move money into other currencies. Buy farm land.

 

I don't believe the liberals are that dumb.  They are just greedy and self centered.  It's all about keeping their job by giving handouts to people, making them think they care when it's actually a plan to control and make the people dependent. "If you don't vote for me, you'll loose your government assistance".  And most of the Conservatives are about as bad.  They talk the talk, but don't walk the walk.  They can't if they want to keep their job.  The people say "give me", "government should take care of me" and if you don't, we will not vote for you.  Ultimately if the government goes belly up , it will be these people that suffer the most, maybe deservingly.  Many will have lost their skills and physical ability to ever re-enter the work force.  So where will they be when the government assistance stops?  And it's not "assistance" it's total support for many.

 

 



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Posted on Mon, Oct 28, 2013 15:36

I agree, it has gone too far to reverse.. Politically incorrect also. Anyone even proposing a partial solution, even a minor cut in spending,  gets stomped on my the brain dead in denial libatards.

I see a few conservativs making a few preps, thinking about what the future might bring. It's hard to predict exactly what might happen but looking at what happened when other countries ran the printing presses dry might give you a clue.

Anyone out there in MM land making any plans they would like to share?

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Posted on Mon, Oct 28, 2013 14:11

Irreversible damage has been done.  It will not be fixed nor will anyone put any real effort into trying.  The smart people will protect themselves from the coming inflation. 



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