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Posted on Sun, Dec 29, 2013 14:58

Quoting 4EverLoyal:

Sir!

New cases of PTSD is not the result of "Obamacare".  PTSD is now in the DSMV as an illness, therefore, ensuring that people have insurance for treatment is very important.

President Obama is on his way out of the White House, you may see more conservative leadership in 2016,

who knows!!!! 


Our country cannot handle another three years of Obama. He is far from being on the way out, unless he gets impeached which I would gladly welcome!

 

 



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Posted on Sun, Dec 29, 2013 01:11

Sir!

New cases of PTSD is not the result of "Obamacare".  PTSD is now in the DSMV as an illness, therefore, ensuring that people have insurance for treatment is very important.

President Obama is on his way out of the White House, you may see more conservative leadership in 2016,

who knows!!!! 



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Posted on Sat, Dec 28, 2013 13:09

Quoting Linglit:

My 2 cents:

As a responsible individual Ive always paid out of my own pocket for my health insurance policy. People need to get rid of the cable tv and the fancy cell phones in order to afford their health care. It should be their #1 priority.



Don't fret my dear and please don't cancel your cable.  

Obamacable is on the agenda for next year.  Pelosi is in the final stages of crafting the bill.  It's up to 3600 pages and it'll have to be passed in order to find out what's in it.  I've heard that if you have a cable plan that you like, you'll be able to keep it.



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Posted on Fri, Dec 27, 2013 18:15

My 2 cents:

As a responsible individual Ive always paid out of my own pocket for my health insurance policy. People need to get rid of the cable tv and the fancy cell phones in order to afford their health care. It should be their #1 priority.



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Posted on Fri, Dec 27, 2013 16:00

Quoting Diana3316:

Amazing!  I will be getting $146.00 more on my check this month.  I was aware that my company got a rebate from our insurance carrier due to over collection on premiums, but I didn't think they would pass it forward to the employees.....but they did.  Yipppeee!!

 

It seems that one of the Obamacare regulations require insurance companies to spend 80% of collected premiums on healthcare delivery.  If they collect more than a 20% profit, they have to refund the money.  They can't just give the CEO a bigger Christmas bonus.

 

Can you imagine how much the insurance companies were making?  We're just one small independently owned company.



That's great... I'd buy a couple of shares of Aetna.  Do you remember how big the check you received from G.W. Bush in 2008 was.  I think it came about when the government overtaxed it's citizens.

I can't imagine how much it's going to cost to treat the increased cases of PTSD those poor CEOs are going to be afflicted with.

 



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Posted on Fri, Dec 27, 2013 10:03

Amazing!  I will be getting $146.00 more on my check this month.  I was aware that my company got a rebate from our insurance carrier due to over collection on premiums, but I didn't think they would pass it forward to the employees.....but they did.  Yipppeee!!

 

It seems that one of the Obamacare regulations require insurance companies to spend 80% of collected premiums on healthcare delivery.  If they collect more than a 20% profit, they have to refund the money.  They can't just give the CEO a bigger Christmas bonus.

 

Can you imagine how much the insurance companies were making?  We're just one small independently owned company.



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Posted on Wed, Dec 11, 2013 15:31

Quoting wwww12345:

Excellent write up about enabling people Dak.

There is a old country saying about "that dog don't hunt".. But, it seems if you quit feeding the dog, there is a good chance that it might start hunting.. People are the same.

And I totally agree that voucher cards are a bad idea except for perhaps people that are disabled or elderly.   Too much abuse.



Yes, it is kind of like when a wild animal is taken into captivity for a long period of time and then released...it will suffer and possibly die, because it has lost it's survival skills.  Same with giving to much help...what happens when the master can't afford to help any longer and the animals have to fend on themselves?



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Posted on Tue, Dec 10, 2013 09:45

SOURCE unknown..

DIVORCE AGREEMENT

Dear American liberals, leftists, social progressives, socialists, Marxists and Obama supporters, et al: We have stuck together since the late 1950's for the sake of the kids, but the whole of this latest election process has made me realize that I want a divorce. I know we tolerated each other for many years for the sake of future generations, but sadly, this relationship has clearly run its course.

Our two ideological sides of America cannot and will not ever agree on what is right for us all, so let's just end it on friendly terms. We can smile and chalk it up to irreconcilable differences and go our own way.

Here is a our separation agreement:

--Our two groups can equitably divide up the country by landmass each taking a similar portion. That will be the difficult part, but I am sure our two sides can come to a friendly agreement. After that, it should be relatively easy! Our respective representatives can effortlessly divide other assets since both sides have such distinct and disparate tastes.

--We don't like redistributive taxes so you can keep them.
--You are welcome to the liberal judges and the ACLU.

--Since you hate guns and war, we'll take our firearms, the cops, the NRA and the military.
--We'll take the nasty, smelly oil industry and the coal mines, and you can go with wind, solar and biodiesel.
--You can keep Oprah, Michael Moore and Rosie O'Donnell. You are, however, responsible for finding a bio-diesel vehicle big enough to move all three of them.
--We'll keep capitalism, greedy corporations, pharmaceutical companies, Wal-Mart and Wall Street.
--You can have your beloved lifelong welfare dwellers, food stamps, homeless, homeboys, hippies, druggies and illegal aliens.
--We'll keep the hot Alaskan hockey moms, greedy CEO's and rednecks.
--We'll keep Bill O'Reilly, and Bibles and give you NBC and Hollywood .
--You can make nice with Iran and Palestine and we'll retain the right to invade and hammer places that threaten us.
--You can have the peaceniks and war protesters. When our allies or our way of life are under assault, we'll help provide them security.
--We'll keep our Judeo-Christian values.
--You are welcome to Islam, Scientology, Humanism, political correctness and Shirley McClain. You can also have the U.N. but we will no longer be paying the bill.
--We'll keep the SUV's, pickup trucks and oversized luxury cars. You can take every Volt and Leaf you can find.
--You can give everyone healthcare if you can find any practicing doctors.
--We'll keep "The Battle Hymn of the Republic" and "The National Anthem."
--I'm sure you'll be happy to substitute "Imagine", "I'd Like to Teach the World to Sing", "Kum Ba Ya" or "We Are the World".
--We'll practice trickle-down economics and you can continue to give trickle up poverty your best shot.
--Since it often so offends you, we'll keep our history, our name and our flag.
Would you agree to this? If so, please pass it along to other like-minded liberal and conservative patriots and if you do not agree, just hit delete. In the spirit of friendly parting, I'll bet you might think about which one of us will need whose help in 15 years.

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Posted on Tue, Dec 10, 2013 09:42

Excellent write up about enabling people Dak.

There is a old country saying about "that dog don't hunt".. But, it seems if you quit feeding the dog, there is a good chance that it might start hunting.. People are the same.

And I totally agree that voucher cards are a bad idea except for perhaps people that are disabled or elderly.   Too much abuse.



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Posted on Tue, Dec 10, 2013 05:53

Quoting Diana3316:

 

Yes Dak….I am very aware that poor people do not have insurance.  I took care of them for years and years in a previous life.  I watched them shuffle in to the clinic clothed in their raggedy and sometimes smelly clothes, the elderly women who hadn’t had a perm in maybe a decade or two, the men with their rotten, decayed teeth and gnarly crooked fingers.  I remember one old woman that was a chronic patient who used to say, “Miss Diane, do you have any food?  I’m so hongreee.”  I’d go back to the break room and draw some hot water from the faucet into a Styrofoam cup, tear a package of powdered bullion and crumble up some crackers if I had any.  She would thank me so profusely as if I had given her a steak and say how good it was.  Then I would stick two needles in her arm and deliver a life-saving treatment that made her feel even sicker.  One old woman, who was crippled and confined to a wheelchair…..would come to the clinic and once she got settled, would start rummaging in her purse.  The roaches would just come boiling out of her purse….the little brown nasty ones…but sometimes one of those big water bugs.  We had to try to smash them before they got away into the clinic.  I’m sure her house was infested with them.  This woman had no teeth and just ate oatmeal three times a day, every day!

 

I have so many other stories of poor people and their wretched lives.....but mostly it was the women that suffered the most.  I remember all their faces.  Never the less…..we gave them the best care we could…despite the fact that they were poor.  They were grateful....and they loved us.  That was my experience with the poor in this country!  I think YOU just don't get it. 



No, I live around these people...I give them jobs and places to live.  It's the liberal mentality that has hurt these people the most.  These people smoke, drink, use drugs, and generally live reckless lives.  Liberal beliefs simple enable them.  Trading Food stamps for cash to buy cigarettes, alcohol, and drugs.  Any assistance beyond "bullion and crackers" (that type of help) will just assist in fueling bad habits.  You  Diana simply treat these people and go home at the end of the day.  I deal with them ever single day.  Those old disable people that you mentioned were once young...and that's when their life started to spiral downward.  And it has continued to do so into old age.  Sit a crack addict down at your home table and give him/her food, you are helping...give a crack addict food stamps, you are enabling a crack addiction.  And you are enabling that addiction at the expense of tax payers.  Unknowingly your beliefs are hurting people by far more than helping.  People usually pick themselves up only when they hit rock bottom.  If they are always supported then they will simply stay near the bottom, depending on someone else.

 

To give a example of the above.  My cousin, which was once like a brother to me, was using drugs.  It started with cigarettes and beer, then pot, and ended with him trying to build a meth lab.  My mom gave him a place to live, she fed him, she gave him food to take home, she gave him money, and she gave him work.  I warned her about what she was doing, but he is family.  She enabled him to have excess money to buy drugs and he got worse and worse.  It got so bad that he threatened to shoot up my moms house and at that point he was asked to leave.  So he went down to South Alabama where his mom took care of him and provided more help.  At the end, he was building a meth lab in a house that his mom owned and was allowing him to live.  Cops got wind of what was going on and they surrounded the home.  My uncle (his step father which has now passed and was a good man) asked the police if he could go in and speak to my cousin before they went in to arrest him.  The cops said yes, and he went in and basically told my cousin that they had come for him and that there was nothing he could do.  My cousin ran and got away, he headed back up to where I am.  He had burnt all his bridges and there was no one else to help.  So, he got off all the hard drugs (he still drinks and some pot), got married, got a job in the HVAC industry, had a child (son), and is working to pay off his small home...he's doing pretty well.  If everyone had of kept helping him, he would still be hovering around the bottom or in prison.  But instead he has made his life better and is paying into the system with the belief that when he becomes old, the system will give back.

 

No Diana, I get it.  And I live around it.  I've seen a few people pick themselves up, but it was only after they fell to rock bottom.  And I've seen people not even make it to rock bottom and end up in prison.  Had a young guy work for me (around 19 y.o. I think) he got caught with a meth lab and sent to prison for something like 10-20 years.  Just sad, and he was a good worker and I'm not even sure it was his lab as he was just living there.  And "there" was with his step mom and her female "partner"...which were both on government checks.  I've had killers come apply for work.  I've had child molesters working for me (unknowingly).  You name it, I've seen it.  I've had guns pulled on me, I've pulled guns.  I see these people as they are destroying their life...you just see them after the destruction.  And then you go home.  I have direct access to these people's life.  I'm all for helping people but there is a very fine line between helping and enabling (hurting).  But until you are in the trenches then you'll never see this...and you will continue with your beliefs.  You may very well believe you are helping (as in you liberal beliefs) but I assure you that liberal politicians know full well the score, and it is simply a way to control the people and gain votes.  And I also wouldn't put it past any politician of any party.  I have very little use for any of them as a whole.

 

Diana, it is very admirable that you helped those people coming into the clinic.  And of course you helped and did nothing wrong.  That's what a good person with common sense would do, feed someone when they are hungry...not give them $20 for food.  That's the difference between you and the government.  Instead of the government setting up food banks and allotting food or places for hot meals, they pay food stamps/voucher/cards and those are exchanged for cash.  How do I know, because I've bought them and used them (wasn't me it would be someone else).  And giving these people free health care isn't going to help.  They already have free health care, they simple go into the ER and then don't pay.  And many, at some point, get a disability lawyer and apply for disability.  Many gain disability because they have and I quote "burnt their brain up on drugs" and now they are on a "crazy check".  And it is you and I that are paying for the check...and many of these people are still users.  And many are working under the table.

 

"Wretched Lives" are built from youth.  Sorry but there is just to much to say about this, and whatever I say isn't really going to matter.  The US will have to hit rock bottom before there is a change and common sense is applied to the system.  



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Posted on Mon, Dec 09, 2013 18:15

Quoting Dakota35:

Diana, you just don't get it.  In my life I have never had insurance much. Because of that I have saved a huge amount of money.  You obviously do not realize that a large majority of the poor public does not have health insurance. You are a nurse you should realize this.  

 

Actually, I my insanity is getting better...I found a solution, just hoping it keeps working.  But I'll be cautiously aware that I could digress at any time...and if I do then I should apply form mental disability. LOL  Isn't everyone crazy in their own way?  If you answer "no" you may not be self-aware.


 

Yes Dak….I am very aware that poor people do not have insurance.  I took care of them for years and years in a previous life.  I watched them shuffle in to the clinic clothed in their raggedy and sometimes smelly clothes, the elderly women who hadn’t had a perm in maybe a decade or two, the men with their rotten, decayed teeth and gnarly crooked fingers.  I remember one old woman that was a chronic patient who used to say, “Miss Diane, do you have any food?  I’m so hongreee.”  I’d go back to the break room and draw some hot water from the faucet into a Styrofoam cup, tear a package of powdered bullion and crumble up some crackers if I had any.  She would thank me so profusely as if I had given her a steak and say how good it was.  Then I would stick two needles in her arm and deliver a life-saving treatment that made her feel even sicker.  One old woman, who was crippled and confined to a wheelchair…..would come to the clinic and once she got settled, would start rummaging in her purse.  The roaches would just come boiling out of her purse….the little brown nasty ones…but sometimes one of those big water bugs.  We had to try to smash them before they got away into the clinic.  I’m sure her house was infested with them.  This woman had no teeth and just ate oatmeal three times a day, every day!

 

I have so many other stories of poor people and their wretched lives.....but mostly it was the women that suffered the most.  I remember all their faces.  Never the less…..we gave them the best care we could…despite the fact that they were poor.  They were grateful....and they loved us.  That was my experience with the poor in this country!  I think YOU just don't get it. 



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Posted on Sun, Dec 08, 2013 17:22

Quoting wwww12345:

Check the local clinics to see if they have any monthly pre paid plans.  Many do..



Thanks WWWW for the suggestion, but I'll just pay the bill if I need a medical procedure.  And if it's something bad then I'll sign back up for health insurance. From what I understand, I can't be denied even if I have a pre-existing medical problem (under the new Obamacare rules).

 

I just don't feel that it's fair for me to have to pay more when I rarely ever use health insurance.  BCBS sent me a letter explaining that I would be paying more because I had to pay my insurance and a fee for others that can't afford insurance.  They didn't put it in those terms but that's clearly what they were saying.  It's not a money issue with me, it's a matter of principle and financial common sense.  Why should I work to stay healthy, pay for medical insurance I never use, pay extra for others that may very well be able to afford it and at the same time get less coverage?  Now if I did so, that really would make me CRAZY!

 

I would never abuse the system, but if I have some medical issue that is out of my payment range...then I will legally use whatever means available to me.  I pay a huge amount of taxes and I feel that I've paid for it.  Over the years I've literally paid a few million in taxes.  Give me all that back and the interest alone would pay for my health insurance.

 

My reasoning is this:  I don't agree with Obamacare, therefore I don't want to contribute.  Just as if Diana was asked to contribute to the Republican party...I'm sure she would decline because she doesn't share the parties beliefs.  I think it would be unreasonable to force her to contribute.



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Posted on Sun, Dec 08, 2013 16:59

Quoting Diana3316:

Well....you always have said that you're crazy.  I hope you prove whatever it is that you're trying to prove.  Never the less....good luck Dak.



Diana, you just don't get it.  In my life I have never had insurance much. Because of that I have saved a huge amount of money.  You obviously do not realize that a large majority of the poor public does not have health insurance. You are a nurse you should realize this.  

 

Actually, I my insanity is getting better...I found a solution, just hoping it keeps working.  But I'll be cautiously aware that I could digress at any time...and if I do then I should apply form mental disability. LOL  Isn't everyone crazy in their own way?  If you answer "no" you may not be self-aware.



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Posted on Fri, Dec 06, 2013 22:05

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Today, I am officially uninsured.  Thanks Obamacare for saving me on my health insurance....I'll be saving $300 a month.



Well....you always have said that you're crazy.  I hope you prove whatever it is that you're trying to prove.  Never the less....good luck Dak.



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Posted on Fri, Dec 06, 2013 14:09

Quoting Dakota35:

Today, I am officially uninsured.  Thanks Obamacare for saving me on my health insurance....I'll be saving $300 a month.



Check the local clinics to see if they have any monthly pre paid plans.  Many do..



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Posted on Thu, Dec 05, 2013 16:19

Today, I am officially uninsured.  Thanks Obamacare for saving me on my health insurance....I'll be saving $300 a month.



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Posted on Sun, Dec 01, 2013 19:37

I admit that there are many valid disabilities that are almost invisible, such a fibro or chronic fatigue, and probably others for which there is no real diagnosis.. I confess I don't know what to do about those.. However the people who can hunt, fish, play sports, party all day or night, or shop for hours really don't seem to have valid reasons for being on disability to me..  There are plenty of those.



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Posted on Sun, Dec 01, 2013 15:10

Quoting wwww12345:

Good write up Dakota and that is the way I see the problem.  I would guess that a large majority of people on disability don't belong there, and like you said, if you have a education but actually can't work you cannot get it.  My cousin, who was a TV broadcaster, fought cancer for over two years before she died.  Her disability was approved after her death.  A older couple who were fans of hers paid for all of her surgeries and cancer treatments, hundreds of thousands worth of bills, bless them.  My cousin should have been on medicare but a lot of that money seems to be allocated to alcoholics and drug addics. It's out of control.



Yes, unless you are in the trenches then you can't see how the system is being abused.  I believe we all want to help people, people that actually need help.  But helping people that can do for themselves is hurting that person.  If a person can work and is given disability, then each year that person's workforce skills decrease.  Remember when we were back in school and we missed a day due to illness?...well, speaking for myself, when I did return to school I felt lost.  Now imagine someone being out of work for years then having to return...will they have the skills to make it?  And isn't there a certain satisfaction and pride that comes from working, being independent, and self supportive?  This is all taken away when people are given and they are not in actual need.  We (the people) know that smoking can cause cancer therefore we ban smoking in public places, so we i.e. tell people how to live their lives.  We take away the freedom to smoke anywhere, because it causes heath issues.  But we approve disability for people that do not need it...which causes health problems.  There was a woman that worked for me that finally after years was approved for disability...after that she sat on her ass, over-ate, had plenty of money to buy cigs, and died of a heart attack at a rather young age.  So despite the government and liberals believing they are helping, they are actually hurting.  Or perhaps it's just a way for the liberal government to control the people to gain votes?  Whatever the reason, it is a negative for society.  A system of strong checks and balances is needed, mixed with a good helping of common sense.

 

If a politician had to solely pay out of his/her own pocket to one person that was approved for disability, then I'll bet that the disabled person would be medically checked from top to bottom to make absolute sure they were truly disabled.  I'll also bet that many wouldn't be getting paid whether they were disabled or not.

 



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Posted on Sun, Dec 01, 2013 09:06

Good write up Dakota and that is the way I see the problem.  I would guess that a large majority of people on disability don't belong there, and like you said, if you have a education but actually can't work you cannot get it.  My cousin, who was a TV broadcaster, fought cancer for over two years before she died.  Her disability was approved after her death.  A older couple who were fans of hers paid for all of her surgeries and cancer treatments, hundreds of thousands worth of bills, bless them.  My cousin should have been on medicare but a lot of that money seems to be allocated to alcoholics and drug addics. It's out of control.



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Posted on Sat, Nov 30, 2013 13:34

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Dak,

Can you please provide more information on the guy with the 5 million dollar house? I would like to verify the story.



Hi Diana,

I'm sure you'll place no merit on this article since it comes from FoxNews but just remember that they have to prove the accuracy of their story.  If you don't believe it, call Fox and request proof.  Here is the first thing I came across in regards to the story when I Googled it.  http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/11/22/​obamacare-forcing-people-into-medicaid/

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Diana, what you must understand is that everyone is not honest (surprise!).  Everyone is not willing to do what is right and follow the rules.  Just as I've stated on here before;  I've had people working for me, doing a good job and with the ability to do so, and at the same time they were applying for disability.  When they receive their disability and back pay, they quit.  I've had others that were working for me and unknown by me they were on disability.  I had another that was getting "food stamps" while working full time.  I reported him and he was removed.  But reporting someone can also cause huge problems, that is why I do everything anonymously.

 

I can guarantee you, that if I wanted to get on disability, if I wanted to get on Medicaid...I wouldn't have a problem, despite the fact that I have no illness that would warrant such.  If I show no income then I am a candidate for Medicaid.  If I go to the doctor and act insane, then the doctor and some dead beat lawyer will surely help me get disability.  And if I still want to work, then I can do so "under the table" and just not show a income.  The government's checks and balances are totally incompetent....and that is a huge part of the problem.  I am not against helping those that really need it, I'm just not willing to help those that have the ability to help themselves.  I have story after story of people that are on Gov. assistance that do not need it, I have stories of people that really can't work, but because they are well studied in their skill and have intelligence were denied for disability.  My GF applied for disability and because she was a doctor, she died before she ever got it.  If you have a illness that is so bad that it eventually takes your life, I'd say you are disabled.  My mom has MS and has had it for 40 years and she never applied for disability.  So my mom with MS worked and paid into the system while these people I know were sitting at home, not working, not disabled and collection money from the government that my mom helped pay into...and she has MS.  So tell me how the system isn't screwed???  I have another friend that is blind and she has worked all her life, paying into the system.  She will retire a millionaire (and the gov. will punish her).  It sickens me to think that good people are working so that lazy people, that manipulate the system, can sit at home on their ass.  Their is no way to justify it.

 

Public assistance may have been born from sympathy, but has evolved into a form of control.

 

So Diana, how would you feel if I manipulated the system and became disabled or was put on Medicaid?  I'm not poor, I don't deserve it, but I get it because I'm dishonest and manipulate the system.  I sit at home, do what I want, exercise and look great, while you work paying for me to do so.  Are you okay with that?



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