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Posted on Mon, Dec 17, 2012 17:00

V, WM, VR, NGL, H4L MTNS, Tutti (all y'all),

This discussion is wonderful...it's like a thinktank.  WM's TweetyBird cartoon says it all: Hard to be huggable when you really need a hug.  And when you go around like that you wear out even the best huggers.

So go on out there.  Play the game.  Get what you get, and learn to love it.  If you're feeling frustrated, make some changes and adjustments then get back out there.  Accentuate the positive too because even people who "have it all" have to put their heart into being happy.

Dive in, be real, eat it up and most of all want what you want.  Carry with you this assurance of your success, "Where your heart is, there your treasure will be also."

Dov'e si trova il tuo tessoro, la sara' anche il tuo cuore.

Riguardi migliori

P.S.  V, love your Yorkie -- really cute!



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Posted on Mon, Dec 17, 2012 16:55

Windrider dear here is something for you all...and it reminds me somewhat of what you, Windrider and also Tinkerbelle etc told me on my "MM Peace Talks" blog, about people using multiprofiles and dishonest profiles on here and the masking people are active under etc.

 

 

Windrider...as I said, I have lost respect for "Voyager54" as he crossed major limits when insulting so many for so little...but...I "forgot" to say this...I have, for a while now, namned "Voyager54" a "non-religions religons fanatic" due to his extreme attacks on believers......but...I have also waited for him to tell us something...admit something I have been suspecting for a while now...and that has not yet happened...I dont know "Voyager54" in person..but I obviously know his take or not on religion etc. from what he is writing on these blogs.

 

 

I think Voyager54 should have come forward long time ago and told the proper truth about himself and his so called theories...it has been interesting watching how far he would go "pretending" that what he is writing here is his own thoughts and theories (however odd they might sound)...and...how accidental is it that his screen name taken here on MM so many years ago being a name of an outer space related theme, "Voyager54"...and all this anger that he is conveying and declaring himself supreme etc...speaking about intelligence as if he owns that concept exclusively etc...as if he owns the key to the master palace of knowledge and we are stupid ants just roaming around with no brains etc...HAHHAHA

 

 

Let me put it this way...the religion Voyager54 is trying to sell on here is a sect (actually declaired one of the top 10 worst sects in the world ever), which has been banned from many places on earth etc etc..and has a very suspect leader...is that leader Voyager54 himself maybe? Is he maybe in relaity the man on the picture im enclosing here now...and the "Voyager54" is a mere mask? Or maybe he is his second man in command? Or just a member?

 

 

Im sure Voyager54 does not need to be introduced to the following...but Im sure some fellow members on here would like to..here goes tadaaaa!

 

Claude Maurice Marcel Vorilhon (born 30 September 1946 in France) is the founder and leader of the UFO religion known as Raëlism. (source wikipedia)Vorilhon began singing at a young age and soon became a sports-car journalist and test driver for his own car-racing magazine. Following what he said was an ET encounter in December 1973, he formed the Raëlian Movement and changed his name to Raël (allegedly meaning "messenger of the elohim"). He later published several books, which detail his claims of an encounter with a being called Yahveh in 1973. He traveled the world to promote his books for over 30 years.Raels thoughts (which you might recognize from Voyager54 postings on here)In the book Le Livre qui dit la vérité ("The Book Which Tells the Truth"), Vorilhon stated that he had an alien visitation on 13 December 1973.

 

 

According to Vorilhon, in a secluded area within a French volcanic crater, an extraterrestrial being came out of a craft that had descended gently from the sky, and told him, in French, that he had come for the sole purpose of meeting with him. Vorilhon said that he was given a message by this alien and told that it was his mission to pass this message on to the people of Earth.The book states that advanced human scientists from another planet with 25,000 years of scientific advances created all life on Earth through DNA manipulation. These scientists, Vorilhon said, were originally called Elohim or "those who came from the sky".He wrote that some forty[ prophets in Earth's history were sent by Elohim but their messages were distorted by humans, largely because of the difference in the level of civilization between the advanced race and Earth's primitive one.

 

...then we have other sources to such thoughts...

 

Some writers have proposed that intelligent extraterrestrial beings have visited Earth in antiquity or prehistory and made contact with humans. Such visitors are called ancient astronauts or ancient aliens. Proponents suggest that this contact influenced the development of human cultures, technologies and religions. A common variant of the idea is that deities from most, if not all, religions are actually extraterrestrials, and their advanced technologies were wrongly understood by primitive men as evidence of their divine status.These proposals have been popularized, particularly in the latter half of the 20th century, by writers such as Erich von Däniken, Giorgio A. Tsoukalos, Zecharia Sitchin, Robert K. G. Temple, David Icke and Peter Kolosimo, but the idea that ancient astronauts actually existed is not taken seriously by most academics, and has received little or no credible attention in peer reviewed studies.Ancient astronauts have been widely used as a plot device in science fiction.UFO religions (such as Raelism and Heavens Gate) believe in ancient and present-day contact with extraterrestrial intelligence.

 

Many of these faiths see both ancient scriptures and recent revelations as connected with the action of aliens from other planetary systems. Sociologists and psychologists have found that UFO religions have similarities which suggest that members of these groups consciously or subliminally associate enchantment with the memes of science fiction.So..imagine that even if Voyager54 believes in this sect and is fighting with teeth and nails for their infiltration in traditions, minds, cultures etc..I have one thing to say...GOD IS ALMIGHTY, meaning He rules the entire universe and all its activities.

 

Otherwise we need to ask so who created those who created those who created those who created those who...as you see, a never ending story, hence necessary frames called "religion", which societies are surrounded by, important implementations/gatherers of serenity, peace of mind, dealing with concepts of life/death, sense of belonging, spiritualism etc.

 

Paramount concepts indeed, as it calms down otherwise the Voyager54-ish lost/angry souls and put people more at a meditative ease to better deal with the journey of life on earth. Everything else does not matter...as I said several times before..at the end of the day, it is our own earthly and spiritual dues we need to pay. No one elses..and not all risks are worth taking.



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Posted on Sun, Dec 16, 2012 04:40

Voyager54, what seems to disjoints you from other humans is more and more obvious and there is no magic or beauty in it…and it is not you not wanting to involve yourself with other humans as you think they are a stupid crowd...obviously it must be the other way around...as fot now…I never thought I would think or say this…but having joined in and made a huge effort to shed a light on your disappearance story when you were thrown out from MM (although I dodnt even know you at all, I had just joined the blogs)and involved in bringing you back…doubting TexasNeuro and all…I see it is happening again...but now you have disrespected the hand that fed your existence here on MM, in the similar manner that you insulted TexasNeuro and he went upset with you...

 

I do not like to be wrong about people but accept that I can be, especially on Netbased forum...but after witnessing your actions and words and insults of Jenknee and all of us believers (claiming we are stupid etc) the last couple of weeks, and I’ve been patient oh so patient I must say..and even put out hugs for you and thought oh you are suffering hence you are trying to stab peoples happiness and beliefs as you are in a bad place and I tried to be patient…but I must say, I have now lost my respect for you, mainly as you are not discussing anything, you are just jumping up and down in a muppet show, jabbing in the air like some kind of war of the windmills á la Don Quijote, wearing a plastic shiny crown from 99 cents store, claiming yourself being the most supreme.

 

This kind of actions and attitude does not fly in my highly intelligent world, as I believe in respect. I could and did respect and agree/d to disagree with you (i even restrained myself from getting into a full on proof match with you, although i just gave you a tiny tiny taste of if as you just could not know when to stop), but I have to agree with Hoping, ENOUGH IS ENOOUGH..

 

I cannot respect you anymore and that is the only unique in this situation, that you managed to make your supporter on here (MM) lose respect in you...as you have crossed and are crossing several moral lines with such arrogance, ignorance and total lack of tact or sorryness. This is far beyond religious issues to me and has been for some times when witnessing your actions on here, these are issues of codes of human conduct - regardless of belief.

 

I bid you goodbye, and I say this…I will not see you in Hell (where you shall end up given we "stupid idiots" in billions are right), as my address after this life will be “Gods Grace Street, Heaven”. 


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Posted on Sun, Dec 16, 2012 04:38

All what you are stating are no unique and very usual arguments by nonbeliever believers and especially nonbelievers fanatics. You are not discussing anything...you are just throwing on theory after theory ..but "what if"...doesnt cut it...as I said you can walk around making any theories up 2000 year after things happened and that doesnt change nor prove a thing..to you seeing is believing...then I suggest you burn all history books you own, if any;

 

(read online a while ago)

 

There is a great logical fallacy among Bible skeptics, atheists and those who like to challenge Christianity that says when discussing the historical aspects of the Bible “you can’t use the Bible as proof that Jesus existed. You must use non-Bible sources!!” To which this author says, “why not?” The four Gospels of the Bible are bibliographical accounts of the life of Jesus. The normal objective measure of the reliability of historical documents is: 1) The number of available copies of ancient manuscripts and 2) the time span between the original version and the date of those copies still in existence today. When examined under this standard, the Bible proves to provide a treasure trove of proof and evidence that Jesus really existed.

 

Some of the earliest manuscript fragments of the New Testament are the John Rylands Fragment, Chester Beatty Papyrus and the Bodmer Papyrus which were written between 50-100AD. Copies of these papyri were reproduced in 125-200AD, meaning that the time span between the originals and the copies still in existence today is 29 years to 130 years, putting all these manuscripts beings written anywhere from 50-100 years after the death of Jesus Christ. Now some may object and say “Hold on! These manuscripts were written years after Jesus died. There’s no way they could be reliable!” But any expert on ancient documents would disagree.

 

Let’s look at some of the more famous and universally accepted historical documents and see how they match up with the Bible:

 

Plato  — Plato wrote his works from 427-347 BC. The earliest manuscript copy of Plato’s writing in existence today was written in 900 AD. That is 1,200 years after Plato’s death! And there are only 2 copies of these manuscripts in existence.

Julius Caesar — One of the most celebrated and trusted historical figures. Caesar lived from 100-44 BC and the earliest manuscript copy of his writings dates back to 900 AD, putting our best evidence of Caesar ever existing 1,000 years after his death. And there are 10 copies of ancient manuscripts of Caesar’s Gallic Wars. So if you question the Bible based on when it was written, being “translated so many times” (it was not – we still have the same Greek manuscripts today) and still question whether Jesus existed, then you must also be really sure that Julius Caesar and Plato were completely fictional characters and never really existed.

 

Homer - Homer, who historians are not even sure ever really existed even today, is credited with writing the Iliad in ca 900 BC. The earliest manuscript copy of the Iliad dates to 400 BC. Meaning the only proof of Homer or the Iliad being accurate is from 500 years after the death of Homer. Additionally there are 643 copies of ancient manuscripts of the Iliad written over the centuries that when compared against each other by experts have a 95.3 consistency and accuracy, making it one of the most reliable and proven documents of antiquity. 

 

That is of course, until you compare it to the New Testament. The New Testament manuscripts date to less than 100 years after the death of Christ. Additionally there are over 5,600 ancient manuscript copies of the New Testament giving it more copies to a degree that dwarfs any other figure of ancient history (to view actual copies of some of these ancient manuscripts). And they have a 99% accuracy when compared to each other. The evidence is not even comparable. And it all points to Jesus Christ. The record of the life, ministry, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ has more evidence than any other person from antiquity.


...as all that ever happened thru out history can be put under the exact same theory premises as you are going for..and when you have burnt all history books including UFO believers books etc...you sit there on your supreme thrown and prove me your own existence beyond doubt...meanwhile and regardless people..billions and billions shall go on believing in their spiritual Master and Supreme being...you  call us blind stupid or whatever...att the end of the day it just proves your own blindness etc and it is your own karma you are cutting into pieces nobody elses.


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Posted on Sun, Dec 16, 2012 04:31

Windrider, sorry for getting on late in this but I get that you would like others to look at this in a different light..as this is not being ok, him disrespecting people etc and there is a limit...sorry aint much more you can do...So..Im sorry for not addressing your latest post properly other than that i did like the Thomas quote...but it doesnt seem to be enogh to some...so...



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Posted on Fri, Dec 14, 2012 01:13

Windrider...my sincere applause for the Aquinas quote you posted...im running to a meeting right now and texting this as many other times from my phone..but will write more to you on here later...nice pic :-)



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Posted on Wed, Dec 12, 2012 20:58

Hi Windrider,

 

Are you trying to explain Voyagers point of view if I may ask - and if so then why? As I do hope he is capable to do so himself if he would like to, beyond the attitude he has shown thus far in this...

 

All the things you are mentioning are micro fractions of the universe profile and there are many to add from every angle...and yes..I do believe that there is alot alot more to the universe than meets the eye..but still..we are talking about the simple human life struggle and comforting uplifting everyday belief etc...we are talking about that many scientists and philosophers thruout lifetimes and history having trouble even proving our own existence as a start...and as I said is a feeling stupid nothing, only because it is not seen or even measurable?

 

What if all is a dream...all the space shuttles..someones hand...the stars etc and when we die we wake up..what if potatoes can actually sigh but we cannot hear them and that Horse Talking Ed does really exist but is hiding and yeah, I know about area 51, ufo etc...

 

 

I dont see why the believe that there is more to universe has to clash with the belief in God and Jesus or Buddha etc...

 

 

I dont see any clash of thoughts and feelings in this. God is so great that He rules the entire universe, which then includes all of us and possible "aliens"..why not..? Belief is connected to spirituality, and you are mentioning more of material stuff...it can co-exist without any problem. Science and religion can walk hand in hand. Im a living proof of such if anyone!

 

 

As I have said several times, IT DOESNT MATTER if some words are exact or if Jesus (or Buddha etc) went on that street or the other, if He wore a yellow dress or ate a fig or a red apple...these are minor details that doesnt make a difference any way...as the bottom line is the EFFECT of religion for billions of people thruout history, and it is one of the main reasons to why we are actually sitting here and writing this today or being able to swim in a lake with clearish water and not filled with human blood.

 

 

Human nature is in extreme need of co-existence and moral rules etc..and religion provides some kind of order and spiritual empowement not possible otherwise for most humans on our planet. As I said, there is much to say and many facts and theories to add in regards to this subject...and Im sure if Voyager54 is upset now, he will become even more upset if I get into some kind of "proof-match" with him and there is no need pushing this further as I find it silly really silly...as again..religion is a personal thing and sitting here behind a computer and trying to discuss this is a a comedy in itself...and as I also said and agree with you there...let people believe in what they want..everyone has the right to their own faith and keep away from personal insult-trips.


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Posted on Wed, Dec 12, 2012 14:24

NGL2011...well..what else can it be, trying to pinch holes in peoples beliefs in something good than some kind of inner sorrow..inner disappoinment etc...I truly hope Voyager54 will get thru and over his grief of whatever it might be and see the light and understand that even if one path was filthy for any reason, there are several more very clean and beautiful ones, and in the same community. Yeah...Im now going to dedicate a hugout for Voayger on my "MM PEACE TALKS" blog. See you there :-)


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Posted on Wed, Dec 12, 2012 14:16

Hoping4Love2000, sure thing...and all shall be perfectly proven to the doubters when God´s time calls...and If it means being an idiot believing in God...then I want to be the greatest idiot of them all thank you very much :-)

 

 

...by the way..can you share your faith experience?


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Posted on Wed, Dec 12, 2012 14:08

Oh Mtnsunny, it takes one greater person to know a great other :-) Thank you very much, and Im happy to be able to share my thoughts etc with you (and also read yours offcourse), you are one of the reasons that makes my time worth such. No, I had not picked up on you being a Christian, but you have been acting very nice...so now I know why other than your personality...Im a lover too but sometimes it might take a small spoon of tough love for some to grasp the true love ;-)))

 

...and I would be more than happy to read your poems :-)


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Posted on Tue, Dec 11, 2012 04:56

Quoting worldmind:

Mtnsunny..Oh...is that so...interesting and thanks for clearing that up...oh...there might be a story there yess in regards to "Georgia"...yeah..that might be something..and Mtsunny, funny you are mentioning Texasneuro, as I did just now post something on my Peace Talks post about him...just before reading your post here...

 

You see, I have also grown to like Voyager54 and imagine me actually being one of those to help out bigtime pulling him back into MM after that TexasN-drama without even knowing him, hence im a bit sad how he seems to be conducting some kind of blog-suicide mission on here...I really hope he comes around..as I said, I think he has a good heart hence Im hopefull for him...I even get the slight notion that Voyager might need a hug, a collective hug from us all to just calm down...and he should be happy we are Christians..otherwise he might have faced another destiny ;-)))

 

I must say Mtnsunny, I truly like your thoughts and rug(ged) words..very nice indeed..I mean that carpet you are mentioning must be a very expensive handmade one...by The Creator?

 

..hmm..are you a poet if i may ask?



world,,, ..."I even get the slight notion that Voyager might need a hug"

 

you hit the nail on the head with that statement !



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Posted on Mon, Dec 10, 2012 08:15

MTSUNNY! I adore you and your thoughts dear! V is of another breed ... and I RESPECT that. 

 

HOWEVER VOYAGER... 

 

I must be respected as well.... 

 

I WANT everyone to get along.. However, I am not blinded enough to think everyone always will... 

 

BUT, in the latest case... VOYAGER, you're being an AZZ.... LOL... 

 

You are insulting others, as I stated in one comment on another blog, and now find my friend WORLD mentioning the same, so I recognize I am not the only one you have insulted.. Do you find us stupid? Seriously? I'd laugh at you if you felt so. 

 

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH! 

 

No one can "prove or disprove" anyone on GOD....

 

I don't call you "stupid" for not believing, so don't call me so for holding FAITH.

 

I don't discuss it MICHEL... But I've had GOD in my presence. 

 

I've witnessed Evil, and I have witnessed "good"...

 

Don't EVER think your thoughts could compare to my REALITY...

 

YES PEOPLE.. I HAVE FELT THE DEVIL... LITERALLY.. HOLDING MY THROAT AND PULLING MY HAIR.. WASN'T JUST A NIGHTMARE.. I WAS SOBER AND COHERENT... 

 

AND THEN ONE DAY....

 

4 YEARS AGO LAST OCTOBER...

 

I FELT THE GOODNESS OF GOD ALL AROUND ME, FROM HEAD TO TOES... 

 

GOD EXIST...

 

AND IF YOU THINK OTHERWISE... 

 

WELL .. YOU MUST BE THE IDIOT!! LOLOL.... 

 

 

 

 


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Posted on Sun, Dec 09, 2012 21:57

Voyager54...stop trying to pick fights! You have no proof about anything that you say..its your opinion and your theories...and as I said...start by proving your own existence and then we might debate further..

 

Insults I meant how you wrote to Jenknee (I didnt feel comfortable reading it) and also your general angry self the last week or two...the way you are saying that we (general/normal believers) are stupid and you (extreme believer in non-believing) are so smart...ohh...any coffee in your kitchen..then please smell it and wake up mister..

 

Air..well..see..without air you cannot survive..thats the thing..you dont see it but its there...without God many people would not survive..just accept this and move on..catch a fish or two, have a soda and just cool down...

 

As I said, I do not agree with extremists, regardless of religion...and now you are an extremist in your belief ie anti-religion religion.

 

Oh mister...people like me are the reason that people like you even can still post anything here! Just dont forget that eyh pal...


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Posted on Sun, Dec 09, 2012 21:46

Mtnsunny..Oh...is that so...interesting and thanks for clearing that up...oh...there might be a story there yess in regards to "Georgia"...yeah..that might be something..and Mtsunny, funny you are mentioning Texasneuro, as I did just now post something on my Peace Talks post about him...just before reading your post here...

 

You see, I have also grown to like Voyager54 and imagine me actually being one of those to help out bigtime pulling him back into MM after that TexasN-drama without even knowing him, hence im a bit sad how he seems to be conducting some kind of blog-suicide mission on here...I really hope he comes around..as I said, I think he has a good heart hence Im hopefull for him...I even get the slight notion that Voyager might need a hug, a collective hug from us all to just calm down...and he should be happy we are Christians..otherwise he might have faced another destiny ;-)))

 

I must say Mtnsunny, I truly like your thoughts and rug(ged) words..very nice indeed..I mean that carpet you are mentioning must be a very expensive handmade one...by The Creator?

 

..hmm..are you a poet if i may ask?


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Posted on Sat, Dec 08, 2012 22:44

Voyager54, you are entitled to your own opinion but should also not insult others for sharing theirs.

 

If you have such a religiously dislike against common worldly religions and their followers, then it is your karma and moves. Your problem. But I suggest you let others think and believe what they want, otherwise you are trying to create a dictatorship or a communist state, and on that we totally would part ways, as I do not agree with such kind of establishments, as they terminate peoples individual freedom rights.

 

Is love a theory? Is a feeling a theory? ARE YOU A THEORY? Wit etc comes in when it is appropriate, and this kind of comments that you are throwing around, either regardless of who about, are not wit-worthy.

 

I told you in your other blog that I will not get into a proof-match with you, as you will get more upset and I dont feel this is worth my explanation, time and effort, as it is like trying to explain to a wall...I will be the first to point out any religious extreme, as I dislike the whole lot of it...and now Im telling you, you are into the religious extreme (yeah, attacking believers of other than your own contra-religion religion is the same as any religious extremist)and I hope you will find your way one day, so that instead of drifting on the open seas, you can find your spot to rest and be happy.

 

Before even speaking of "proof" of religions etc, I suggest you try proving your own existence instead...as just because you are carrying an ID in your pocket, doesnt make you existing or real.

 

...by the way, who are you comparing to as being your Texas guy-arch-enemy´s reborn in a female dress and why?


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Posted on Sat, Dec 08, 2012 03:42

Voyager54, this is EXACTLY a kind of a perfect example to why we are into my peace talks blog (and my Gentleman blog)...although I do like you for some angels of your being even though I havent met you but know a bit about you - you are when saying such about a fellow blogger and a woman, truly being a rebel without a cause (and not in a sexy Deanish-faced kind of a way I may say)...however much someone dislikes someone else here, it is due to their opinions on the blogs (unless you do know them in real life). If yo dislike believing women, then look away...dont preach then you will not be preached for nor about...

 

Why does it make it ok for you to be a religiously non beliver (that is also to blindly believe) and for others not ok to be a religious believer - especially when believing in such proper, a true and peaceful source of an diol to the world, Jesus? I would understand if you would be upset when someone believes in evil idols, who are set to slaughter and destroy the humakind etc...but...coooommmmeee on here..really?

 

You do not KNOW the truth about anything religious, you are blinded by your own theories. Then leave everyone who you think are blinded by their theories be. Just agree to disagree.

 

The blogging logically does not make up for a personal judgment that is 100% legit...a humanbeing is multiangled...

 

How good of an idea is it you representing yourself in such a poor manner as in this comment you just made, on a dating site, being a man personally, truly and publically insulting a woman. If you and her have some issues, either resolve it in private messages or just walk on by eachother.

 

At the end of the day, it is not about who, it is about how.

 

Change the tables Voyager54, I know you can.

 

I know you have a good heart...use it!


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Posted on Wed, Dec 05, 2012 02:45

Hahahhhaha ;-)))



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Posted on Tue, Dec 04, 2012 00:57

I know that "Vaya con Dios" is a very good music group ;-)

 

 

 

...but ya aint goin´ nowhere on that guilt trip Voyager!

 

(Jeeez..ya sound more religious than anyone Ive met, getting all shook up like that...hehe)...

 

 

 

...so dont push me into having to fuel my Rädda Voyager plan (rescue plane in Swedish) packed with Swedish pinups to save n' cheer you up...you know I contributed in bringing you back from a coma here not long time ago...sooo...keep life going n' relaaaaax willya :-) ..

 

 

 

By the way..what haircolor do you prefer on the pinups so I can be ready in case an emergency rescue needs to be activated if you daze down in megacomfort in a sunchair on the Florida beaches n' start forgetin´ us due to that yeah-life in good ol' Florida? ;-)))


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