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Posted on Thu, Jun 27, 2013 04:30

As I said looks are subjective as is attractiveness. That said the point of the post was not whether human males or females are more attractive. It sure has caused a different debate, but not the point. For the purpose of getting past this subjective opinion, let us assume the female is more attractive.

 

 

 

The point of the thread was the difficultly, based on the numbers to find a younger than 55, single attractive male. Females being more attractive than males, and as someone noted wealthy men more likely to be over weight, only adds to that difficulty. Supply and demand dictates so.



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Posted on Wed, Jun 26, 2013 19:58

Quoting Mtnsunny:

Quoting Dakota35:

Diana, the devil must be getting very cold...I agree with you 100%.  Oh god, did I just say that, NO!.......................  Very well said.
 
But you are exactly correct.  And thank God that women will look past a guys imperfections, because we have plenty.   Guys will do the same but with more fight before giving in. 
 
So I guess that means there is still hope for me...Maybe?  Oh, and the hot chick with the average guy makes me crazy.  I just was in Walmart two days ago and saw this...WHY?  HOW?  Would someone let me in on the secret?

 

 

 

Dak, I was wondering the same thing about amazing looking men with average women...maybe Orlando can help us with this one.  :)

 

 Mtnsunny




Hello Mtnsunny,

Perhaps it is that we are unable to judge the looks well of our fellow gender.  Back when my GF was alive, she called me one day and said; Have you seen Katy Perry?  I replied; No, but I have heard her songs.  My GF replied, she's your type you would fall in love with her looks.  I thought, wow, I've got to see what she looks like.  So I got online and Googled her photos.  She's not bad looking but I wasn't really excited by her.  So you see, perhaps we can't judge well.  Just perhaps, guys see the girl that you think as average looking as much more attractive.  Just one thought. 

 

(I'll add this;  Men get jealous of me when I'm in a group with women in which they are interested.  My friend finds such humor in this since he knows women are not knocking down my door.  So these guy see me as a threat...apparently they can't judge what women want very well.)

 

1.  It could be that he has low self-esteem.

 

2.  She could be supplying him with drugs (I've seen this on the flip side)

 

3.  Perhaps, he was friends with her first and the relationship evolved.

 

4.  Maybe she or her family has money (I've seen this)

 

5.  Maybe he is using her (I've seen this)

 

Now, on the other side...Good looking women with average guys.  I think all of the above fit.  But it is also the way the guy approaches the woman and how she perceives him.  He doesn't have to be that good looking.  All he has to do is make her believe that he has it going on.  Make her respect him, make her believe he is respected by all his friends and in society, have a air of confidence that doesn't seem conceited, and show her a good time.  I could be wrong about this but I've experienced it first hand.

 

Short Story:  I was at a tavern with a group (some I didn't know).  There was this woman that I began talking to.  The conversation started off rocky.  I can't even remember the topic but I was opinionated (I know that's difficult to believe).  I said something she didn't like and she said; "Do you think you are the only guy in this world".  I leaned forward and replied; I'm the only guy in the world that matters".  I have a friend that will confirm what I'm saying, as he witnessed it.  With what I said, this woman's personality totally changed.  She started flirting with me and the conversation was great.  When we started to leave she told me how much she had enjoyed our conversation and hoped we could meet again.  It was a unique and very interesting experience for me.  My observation is women want men to disagree with them sometimes and also be confident in whom they are and what they are saying.  I've also experience the same at other times.  Almost forgot something that may have also contributed to the above situation.  Two guys were drinking at the table and they started getting jealous arrogant (liquid courage).  I finally had enough of it and shut them up.  So perhaps that was also a Alpha male thing that the women found attractive. 

 

 

You ladies can correct me if what I said is wrong as I'm surely no player or Casanova. :)



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Posted on Wed, Jun 26, 2013 19:04

Quoting StunningYetShy76:

Dakota: I have Forbes in my hand... it says Nick Woodman Trillionaire... I'll post a picture


 

Must have been a intentional exaggeration by Forbes as he is not the most wealthy by far and the most wealthy is a billionaire.  Just saying, not trying to dispute what you say.  Carlos Sims and Bill Gates are two of the most wealthy and they are both billionaires.  Some of the Sultans of Oil might have more but that's difficult to evaluate.  Most Billionaires wealth comes from owning shares in their own company.  It is difficult to pin down their true wealth because if their shares were liquidated the share price of the company would collapse.  So all amounts are loosely guesstimated.  Bottom line is that they have more than they need.

 



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Posted on Wed, Jun 26, 2013 12:08

Quoting Dakota35:

Diana, the devil must be getting very cold...I agree with you 100%.  Oh god, did I just say that, NO!.......................  Very well said.

 

But you are exactly correct.  And thank God that women will look past a guys imperfections, because we have plenty.   Guys will do the same but with more fight before giving in. 

 

So I guess that means there is still hope for me...Maybe?  Oh, and the hot chick with the average guy makes me crazy.  I just was in Walmart two days ago and saw this...WHY?  HOW?  Would someone let me in on the secret?

 



Two points; The imperfections that women have are typically not shown outright to males or else the majority of them would not get to know her.

As far as the good looking woman who stays with the average looking male. Two reasons could be that more women are less shallow and BECOME attracted to the men they fall in love with. Over time she fell in love.  The second reason could be that he satisfies her in the bedroom.



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Posted on Wed, Jun 26, 2013 11:21

Quoting Dakota35:

Diana, the devil must be getting very cold...I agree with you 100%.  Oh god, did I just say that, NO!.......................  Very well said.
 
But you are exactly correct.  And thank God that women will look past a guys imperfections, because we have plenty.   Guys will do the same but with more fight before giving in. 
 
So I guess that means there is still hope for me...Maybe?  Oh, and the hot chick with the average guy makes me crazy.  I just was in Walmart two days ago and saw this...WHY?  HOW?  Would someone let me in on the secret?

 

 

 

Dak, I was wondering the same thing about amazing looking men with average women...maybe Orlando can help us with this one.  :)

 

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Posted on Wed, Jun 26, 2013 11:06

Quoting Dakota35:

Diana, the devil must be getting very cold...I agree with you 100%.  Oh god, did I just say that, NO!.......................  Very well said.

 

But you are exactly correct.  And thank God that women will look past a guys imperfections, because we have plenty.   Guys will do the same but with more fight before giving in. 

 

So I guess that means there is still hope for me...Maybe?  Oh, and the hot chick with the average guy makes me crazy.  I just was in Walmart two days ago and saw this...WHY?  HOW?  Would someone let me in on the secret?

 



OMG!! I finally post a comment and come to see if it has been posted, and I learn that

 

 

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!HELL HAS FROZEN OVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(I thought I felt a sudden chill!! HA!) 

 

DAKOTA and LOVELY LADY DI are in 100% agreement!! WOW!!! LOL...

 

LADY DI, you expressed the "who's more attractive issue" SPOT ON! 

 

SPEED 

Most of society "follows with the grain" if the subject matter is non political. Women have been wearing makeup since Egyptian times. Guess what? Archaeologist have discovered Egyptian men ALSO wore makeup. It would be my guess the makeup may have been limited to the elite as a "status" symbol... like a crown for a Princess! LOL... 

 

WHY did makeup not catch on for men then throughout time? Hmmm.. My guess would be, "we are wired differently!" Our genetic "makeup" (HA!) differs, and women are more wired to "primp" and men are typically more visual than women, so these attributes feed off one another. NO MAN I have ever known has changed his clothes 5 times before a date because he feels everything makes him look fat or his butt looks big! LOL..  WHY do women feel this way? Well, I guess if men grew up with "VICTOR'S SECRET" viewing a slew of young, beautiful, hot bodied men running around half naked being thrown in their face, they'd have better understanding. I also feel men AND women have amplified this due to men focusing on the female body, enhancing women's insecurities. As LIV said, I feel sorry for women who have work done for the wrong reasons. I also find it ironic w/ the previous stats from the CDC I posted that more men seem to desire "attractive bodies" than women do, but wealthy men lead regular guys in being overweight! (I guess that's B/C, as LADY DI stated, WOMEN ARE MORE FORGIVING!) Now WHY? I feel it is because women are more emotionally attuned than men as a rule; so this enables women to see the beauty inside a man before a man may embrace her "interior" beauty. He's still too busy looking at her outward appearance. Due to men being so focused on "looks," this assist in women spending billions a year in makeup, hair, nails, AND SURGERIES. See, it's the REVERSE of your thoughts. Women do it B/C MEN, and society as a collective, are more focused on looks of women and not necessarily her inner qualities. WHY? B/C men are visual creatures. That's why Playboy is far more popular than Playgirl. In the animal kingdom, it is the MALE that must look good. In humans, it's quite the opposite.    

 

"Society" has schooled us all our lives on "what looks good" and most women do like pretty bras and things that make them feel sexy or attractive, regardless of her body, and advertising plays on this. But lets face reality; even if models are too thin, their bodies lack cellulite, wrinkles, any blemishes they have are airbrushed and their bodies aren't saggy and used up from having babies. GRAVITY AND WEIGHT ARE A WOMAN'S WORST ENEMIES! THAT'S why models are usually thin and young. This plays a part in little girls growing up "idolizing" models. This can lead to low self-esteem may be a major factor behind many woman and the knife.

 

Additionally, men are more physically active on the whole, so it isn't practical to wear makeup. Take sports for example. The more physically active we are, the more we sweat. I can see it now, a QB calling a TIME OUT in the middle of a play B/C his mascara ran from sweating and he needed to wash his eye out! "HOLD UP GUYS! I FORGOT TO WEAR WATERPROOF TODAY!" LOL... When I worked for a friend doing carpentry type work, I didn't wear makeup. It wasn't practical in the heat. I learned the FIRST DAY not to wear jeans to work. I "thought" I was being smart, as I was working with old wood tearing down a shed. I thought my jeans would protect me. Well, they may have, but I couldn't perform as efficiently with my jeans sticking to me as well as being over heated! I wore short shorts from then on and dealt with the scratches and spiders! In fact, I didn't even wear contacts because when I sweat that much, the sweat runs in my eyes and burns my contacts and messes them up. There may be a few women out there doing "man's work," but the majority of women are not out slinging hammers and laying shingles! Although many women can do such things, most select not to as a career B/C it's back breaking work and like it or not, men ARE, for the majority, stronger physically than women. 

 

Which brings another point... No SPEED, men may not wear makeup, but, men who "primp" usually do so with their bodies. They lift weights, body build, get muscles, have contests, etc.. and this has been going on since the late 1800's. It took almost 100 years for women to compete in bodybuilding, and guess what? In a short time women have become so competitive many take steroids (testosterone-- something unnatural for a woman to have high amounts of) to get "bigger" and "leaner" so she can win contests.  When women take roids, it changes their hormonal balance more to a man's so her voice deepens, she starts growing more facial hair, she gets blemishes and she loses her breast due to shrinkage of breast tissue. (And this is only the physical side effects of it.) You will not see the vast majority of women embracing this, as it is unnatural for a woman to make her body akin to a man's. And the sad fact is, if one woman takes roids, they ALL have to if they want a chance at winning, even more so than a man has to, because the roid effects aren't "natural." Lance Armstrong was recently stripped from his titles due to roid use. Steroids are many athletes "plastic surgery." Especially those who earn a living from it. 

MEN and the knife? ASPS says men account for almost 10% of surgeries and have been on the rise since 1997. But men's motivation is not women, it is for employment purposes. 

 



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Posted on Wed, Jun 26, 2013 02:58

Quoting Diana3316:

Speed~

This is a very common problem.  Men often think….well if I like something, a woman will like it too.  Example:  Men like to look at photos of naked women, so men frequently offer to send pictures of their naked bodies.  Dear Lord….spare me!  Women do NOT want to see that stuff!

 

My point here is that men are very visual and extremely attracted to the beauty of women.

 

Unfortunately, women have succumbed to the billions of corporate advertising dollars/brainwashing, Hollywood/media role models…. and have come to believe putting chemicals on themselves is required to meet current beauty standards.  Additionally, men reinforce this behavior by being attracted to youthful Bay Watch beauties.  If you ever have a chance to read some male profiles…..many…if not most say their match should be “hot, extremely good looking” and often “curvy”.

 

It seems to me that women putting makeup on and/or having plastic surgery does not prove your point that men are more “naturally” attractive than women.  And you actually never provided your opinion as to what attributes were more attractive about the male form vs the female.

 

And finally, in your original post:

 

What you will find is with most animal species it is the male that is naturally, thru selection, more physically attractive. This is somewhat subjective, but generally considered to be the case.  We humans, animals that we are, can be argued are likewise.  ……… but naturally, as with most animal species, if unbiased by gender attraction it is the male again.

 

Not true.  We humans cannot be argued as likewise.  Women are far more likely to be forgiving of physical imperfections in men.  This is why men don’t feel a need to wear makeup.  Although women may take a precursory look at a good looking man….it is a fleeting criteria.  As long as his looks are within normal limits, she may still select him.  How many times have you seen a really good looking woman with a very ordinary looking man?  (Even Henry Kissinger got a woman to marry him)  Human males are selected due to their behavior….not due to their physical attractiveness…..generally.  What can be effectively argued....is that that behavior is typically the appearance of power and dominance.  I do not mean a man that behaves like a brut.



Diana, the devil must be getting very cold...I agree with you 100%.  Oh god, did I just say that, NO!.......................  Very well said.

 

But you are exactly correct.  And thank God that women will look past a guys imperfections, because we have plenty.   Guys will do the same but with more fight before giving in. 

 

So I guess that means there is still hope for me...Maybe?  Oh, and the hot chick with the average guy makes me crazy.  I just was in Walmart two days ago and saw this...WHY?  HOW?  Would someone let me in on the secret?

 



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Posted on Wed, Jun 26, 2013 00:17

Speed~

This is a very common problem.  Men often think….well if I like something, a woman will like it too.  Example:  Men like to look at photos of naked women, so men frequently offer to send pictures of their naked bodies.  Dear Lord….spare me!  Women do NOT want to see that stuff!

 

My point here is that men are very visual and extremely attracted to the beauty of women.

 

Unfortunately, women have succumbed to the billions of corporate advertising dollars/brainwashing, Hollywood/media role models…. and have come to believe putting chemicals on themselves is required to meet current beauty standards.  Additionally, men reinforce this behavior by being attracted to youthful Bay Watch beauties.  If you ever have a chance to read some male profiles…..many…if not most say their match should be “hot, extremely good looking” and often “curvy”.

 

It seems to me that women putting makeup on and/or having plastic surgery does not prove your point that men are more “naturally” attractive than women.  And you actually never provided your opinion as to what attributes were more attractive about the male form vs the female.

 

And finally, in your original post:

 

What you will find is with most animal species it is the male that is naturally, thru selection, more physically attractive. This is somewhat subjective, but generally considered to be the case.  We humans, animals that we are, can be argued are likewise.  ……… but naturally, as with most animal species, if unbiased by gender attraction it is the male again.

 

Not true.  We humans cannot be argued as likewise.  Women are far more likely to be forgiving of physical imperfections in men.  This is why men don’t feel a need to wear makeup.  Although women may take a precursory look at a good looking man….it is a fleeting criteria.  As long as his looks are within normal limits, she may still select him.  How many times have you seen a really good looking woman with a very ordinary looking man?  (Even Henry Kissinger got a woman to marry him)  Human males are selected due to their behavior….not due to their physical attractiveness…..generally.  What can be effectively argued....is that that behavior is typically the appearance of power and dominance.  I do not mean a man that behaves like a brut.



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First, WELCOME to the blogs SPEEDDALLAS-

You will find we are a diverse group here…

 

In the animal kingdom, there are many males that are more “colorful” than the females…

 

BIRDS play a large role in this, IE: Cardinals and Peacocks…

I would say in birds this holds true due to the female being the primary caregiver sitting on the eggs and needing to “camouflage” herself. Female cardinals sit on the eggs most of the time. If the male sat on them all the time, it would increase the odds of predators for being seen. This would not be functional for “survival.”

 

On the other hand, with many animals, the mother will abandon their baby if their baby is seen as “weak.” Animals have more instinct than humans and can “sense” things we can't. I’ve watched animal shows where babies have been left who could not keep up when the animal knew they were being trailed by a predator. WHY? FOR SURVIVAL of the fittest!

 

In the animal kingdom, such as the Old World Monkey, there is ONE male who is the leader of the pack of his “harem!” Should another male come along and desire this “harem,” the infiltrator will fight to the death to win the females, and then kill the offspring of the fallen leader.

 

There are also many animals that commit infanticide, (killing their own offspring,) such as male mice. In many species, it is said they do this in order to eliminate competition as well as being able to procreate with the female again. If the mother is feeding offspring, she is often not considered as “mate able.”

 

ANIMALS ARE MORE INSTINCTIVE DUE To NATURE. IE: Dogs are now used to smell patients with cancer and other ailments. When I lived in California, I had an American Eskimo. Tuesday went crazy one day! I had no idea what was wrong with her, but she started moving about as a human would, pacing from room to room… A few minutes later, we had an earthquake many, many miles away! The walls started shaking and I went to the front doorway to find EVERYONE WAS IN THEIR FRONT DOORWAY! I looked to my neighbor and said, “So that’s an earthquake?” She said, “Yes, it was either really small, or very far away.” A human could never sense these things. DOGS ARE AMAZING CREATURES!!

 

Tuesday also knew when “daddy was home!” We lived in a large apartment complex on the top floor, so he parked far away. (It was not as if he was pulling into the driveway of a home.) But I knew when he was home because she would stand at the sliding door and get antsy! I’d say, “Daddy’s home!” and she would start jumping!

 

So to say we are equivalent to the animal kingdom is incorrect. We are nothing like animals in many respects. Fathers don’t eat their young as to not have competition and men don’t go around killing another man to gain his harem. For staunch activist against abortion, this is the major factor in their thinking. They feel strongly to abort is akin to an animalistic nature of killing your young. In some respect, I agree, as some women at higher risk have amnio to see if their child has defects. If they do, they may abort. Most humans care for their children who are considered “flawed” with disabilities such as autism, however.

 

Humans are DOMINANT over the animal kingdom. Animals don’t have jobs, and drive cars and produce activist groups to “stop cruelty of humans!”

 

WHY? Well, I just said it! HUMANS ARE DOMINANT OVER THE ANIMAL KINGDOM!

 

In so far as “men are more attractive?” The CDC claims in the year 2009-2010 35.7% of Americans were obese, with not much difference in men or women. Additionally, obesity in children was higher in boys than girls. (18.6% to 15%) Now these are ONLY OBESITY stats from the CDC. They claim another 32% of Americans are overweight, but not overweight enough to be called “obese.” Guess what? Men lead in being overweight by about 2%!

 

Another fact? The CDC claims obesity in men and women differ with financial status. Poor women dominate being hefty while the wealthier men carry more excess baggage. My guess? All that red wine and steak dinners and eating out all the time after sitting behind a desk and not exercising for wealthy men. Now couple this with the fact men bald far earlier and their sexual abilities are not as favorable as when they were younger? I’d say MEN are the ones who need to step up their game!  It is no picnic trying to find a man regardless of his financial status as 67% of Americans are overweight to begin with. Now add $$$. The WEALTHY men are heaviest versus non-wealthy men. 

 

And as far as makeup and hair, etc… We do it because we are females and most have enjoyed doodling with our hair and face since we were little girls, just like most of us like baby dolls and teddy bears versus dump trucks! We are not in competition with men. We want men to think we are pretty! Men CAN look better with makeup themselves, hence why actors must wear it. But it is not perceived as “masculine” to do girl things and most men are not that vain. And it’s a good thing, or we would fight more for bathroom mirror time!

 

MONEY? ONLY 22% of HOUSEHOLDS even make 6 figures yearly... That is HOUSEHOLDS, NOT individuals.... IE: the man makes 64K, wife makes 36K... COMBINED----- THEY make a portion of the 22% of all 6 figured incomes... They file “jointly.”

 

Only 5% of American HOUSEHOLDS make $250K or above... and $250K last time I checked is NOT a million.

 

But, at the end of the day, WHY does a man need to be attractive?

Because WOMEN HAVE WHAT YOU MEN WANT!



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Posted on Tue, Jun 25, 2013 06:36

So...I've already agreed that in the animal kingdom the male tends to be adorned more luxuriously in color and quality of hair coat....endowed with more defined musculature resulting in enhanced speed and strength.  But you were speaking of physical attractiveness...I thought. 


Those are all traits that equate tp physical attractiveness. As we are part of the animal kingdom it would seem logical that we follow the same rules of attractiveness. 26 year olds are no different.


As to the make-up thing replied to by several. I also prefer the look of a woman in make-up vs without. Think about which men wear it?  Mostly those on the big or small screen. Actors and News people? Why? Too look better. Very few men walk around with make-up. That's the point. Women  appear to believe and men here have agreed the purpose is to look better than they naturally do. Is helping to prove my point. Men have no problem attracting women without wearing make up.  Make-up is putting chemicals on the skin for the sole purpose of looking better. Why would anyone do that if it wasn't believed needed, and why do so few men do it? Like i said, attractiveness is subjective, but the evidence I'd argue is leaning in my direction.


Augmentation I'd equate with Toupe's. Both attempts to look more attractive that are totally unnatural. Personally I'm anti augmentation, but believe in the minority on that position. They look good clothed, but feel and look so unnatural in more intimate settings. Not to mention the 60 year old Grand mothers I see walking around the market with teen age looking breasts. Is like that balding white hair 70 year old dude I see on the anti aging adds. 20 year old body and 70 year old head looks odd. The bad news is I'm aging into that oddity. The good news is my hair is full and dark. That is the cost of training like a youngster. I do look odd. 



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Posted on Mon, Jun 24, 2013 21:57

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What exactly do you have against a woman wearing decent, subdued makeup? A beautiful woman is a beautiful woman. No amount of makeup in the world is going to turn an ugly duckling into a raving beauty - I was hoping you'd know that. I could challenge you to an observed date where I wear no makeup and I will beat you hands down on the beauty spectrum, lol! But I won't.

 

Just relax and enjoy the beauty that is around you. Women are beautiful, if you disagree then try dating the men.

 

As an aside, I do not like loud and bright makeup, though.

 

Liv.



"Women are beautiful, if you disagree then try dating the men."

Liv, when did you start reading minds?  Just for the record...I AGREE!, I AGREE!, I AGREE infinity!

 



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Posted on Mon, Jun 24, 2013 21:53

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I happen to disagree. I have met several humble, attractive men who are billionaires. These days, millionaire is common due to people working harder, running around with less sleep etc. Oh and by the way, look at trillionaire Nicholas Woodman from GoPro... attractive, happily married! Even younger people have an opportunity these days in being a millionaire etc. Besides the point, I'm getting away from the subject, many older men are atractive too. It's based on the individuals taste, their class, the way they speak, the way they carry themselves and how much they appreciate you. Attractive men? You mean the ones on steroids? LOL Some don't find those aggressive type attractive. Maybe to an extent; Again, depending on individuals personality and taste. I hope I read and understood your post. If not my apologese ahead of time.



I don't know if your "trillionaire" statement was simply a exaggerated statement...like saying gazillionaire, but for the record Forbes has Nicholas Woodman's net worth listed at 1.3B.  I apologize, but such interest me so I had to look it up.  I've never heard of him (I have heard of GoPro) until you said his name.  I always respect a man of wealth that is also a good family man.

 

Something I found interesting, that some of you might not know.  Did you know that Julia Louis Dreyfus has a net worth that exceeds Oprah?

 

I agree with everything else you stated.



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Posted on Mon, Jun 24, 2013 14:44

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"A young, physically attractive man that has accumulated a million dollars is the ‘most’ attractive, "in demand", of the males. "

 

 

 

That's not quite what I said.  And remember this is millionaire match.  Also attraction is only the first step in any relationship. What I did say was the amount of single men, under 55,  attractive and who are wealthy is quite low in comparison to attractive women.  Laws of supply and demand dictate the rest.

 

 

 

As to which gender in the human species is more attractive, well that is subjective and as humans alter their looks, unlike any other animal thru non natural methods I think the line is blurred. The fact that most painters over the centuries have been men and men are less likely to paint men might play a role in why women are more often the subject. As to aging skin,  I don't think there is much difference naturally between the genders, but women are more apt to take care of their skin than a man.

 

 



Speed~

Lololol....ok....this is kind of a stupid discussion...but I'm game!  *wink*

 

So...I've already agreed that in the animal kingdom the male tends to be adorned more luxuriously in color and quality of hair coat....endowed with more defined musculature resulting in enhanced speed and strength.  But you were speaking of physical attractiveness...I thought.  So let's take two 26 year old humans; one male and one female.  Would you please provide an assessment of which attributes and/or body parts are more "naturally attractive" on the male vs the female?



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Posted on Mon, Jun 24, 2013 04:59

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It is too bad the male species must rely on looks while the female can be herself.

 

I'd agree with all you wrote sans the human species. I don't think it is the case with us talking monkeys. How many women have you been on a first date with without make up. Yes, the woman not you.



What exactly do you have against a woman wearing decent, subdued makeup? A beautiful woman is a beautiful woman. No amount of makeup in the world is going to turn an ugly duckling into a raving beauty - I was hoping you'd know that. I could challenge you to an observed date where I wear no makeup and I will beat you hands down on the beauty spectrum, lol! But I won't.

 

Just relax and enjoy the beauty that is around you. Women are beautiful, if you disagree then try dating the men.

 

As an aside, I do not like loud and bright makeup, though.

 

Liv.



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Posted on Mon, Jun 24, 2013 04:54

"A young, physically attractive man that has accumulated a million dollars is the ‘most’ attractive, "in demand", of the males. "

 

 

 

That's not quite what I said.  And remember this is millionaire match.  Also attraction is only the first step in any relationship. What I did say was the amount of single men, under 55,  attractive and who are wealthy is quite low in comparison to attractive women.  Laws of supply and demand dictate the rest.

 

 

 

As to which gender in the human species is more attractive, well that is subjective and as humans alter their looks, unlike any other animal thru non natural methods I think the line is blurred. The fact that most painters over the centuries have been men and men are less likely to paint men might play a role in why women are more often the subject. As to aging skin,  I don't think there is much difference naturally between the genders, but women are more apt to take care of their skin than a man.

 

 



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Lions, birds, fish nearly all, but as mentioned this is somewhat subjective. Look at cardinals for instance as they are quite common. The male is bright red, with a big ole head dress and the female drab green with a roundish head. Look at mallards. This is almost universal in fish and birds. Compare lions. Compare dogs. The animal kingdom is rife with such examples. Peacocks, Chickens. In humans why do you think so many women wear make up, and augment breasts. How many men do? Why?


A beautiful woman's beauty is inestimable but for a season! Same can be said for a man's attractiveness. Men can be beautiful as well, but I do not see a comparison between male species and female species as far as beauty is concerned. What I think, and this is my opinion, is that each specie is unique and beautiful in their own rights and their respective beauty complements the other's. I have never pitched women's beauty against men's handsomeness - it's a moot point. Why not just fall for men then since they are soooo irresistibly beautiful - why do men swoon all over women if your assertions have solid basis to them? If what you are asserting is accurate, I'd expect every man to become gay!

 

As for your question as to why so many women wear makeup? It is more of a socio-cultural programming than anything else! From what my friends and people who have stayed at my home tell me, I am perfectly beautiful first thing in the morning without makeup! If it was just a man telling me that, I'd take it with a pinch of salt and wink it away. As to the second part of your question about breast augmentation - first off, why on earth will a man need a BOOB job? Why? Were you actually asking that as a valid question? To redirect to why women may have boob jobs, one reason is clinical, after a mastectomy and I hope you can forgive a cancer survivor of that 'vanity' please. Secondly, I find - and I stand to be corrected - that women who are plastic surgery focused have other issues other than the plastic surgery itself - self-esteem, body dismorphism etc. And some vain men actually push and pay for their little plastic dolls to get pumped up with more plastic! I am really sorry, my intent is not to be sarcastic, but it takes a lot more than the need to be beautiful to go under the knife. And I do know men who shoot up botox onto their forheads like they are doling out candies, go under the knive to get rid of their love handles, mid-life bulge, double chin etc - yes - Men! Rather than getting off their lazy behinds and hitting the gym and eating healthy. Most healthy and secure men want a healthy and secure natural woman any day....and they both embrace the natural.

 

Liv.



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Speed~

 

You make two points:

 

#1 - The male gender is a physically more attractive form than the female.  In general terms I might tend to agree with you, especially when speaking of the animal kingdom.  And I will even agree with you that a youthful man may enjoy beautiful skin, silky hair and thicker, longer eyelashes than a woman…..but physically there is not much comparison in the overall beauty of the form.  Simply look at the art world, inarguably experts on visual beauty….and you will notice that it is the female form that has captivated the world’s attention and admiration for centuries.  And speaking as a woman who has seen more than a few naked middle- age or older men…..their beauty does not last.  For even if the man remains healthy and in shape….his form becomes coarse, while even well into her eighties a woman will retain milky and soft skin…..especially her breasts, loins, thighs and hips.

 

#2 – A young, physically attractive man that has accumulated a million dollars is the ‘most’ attractive, "in demand", of the males.  While this may be true in the case of the female that lusts for the things money can procure, it is generally not the attribute the majority of women seek.  The majority of women are satisfied with enough money to ensure safety and security.  The paramount characteristic that makes him the ‘most’ attractive male…..is how he makes her feel when she is with him.   If his demeanor is that she should be grateful for every breath she takes because she is allowed to be in his presence….he will be unattractive, regardless of his vast wealth.



Diana,

 

THANK YOU!!!!!! You are sooooo darn articulate.

 

Liv.



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Posted on Sun, Jun 23, 2013 20:50

Quoting SpeedDallas:

Look around the animal Kingdom. What you will find is with most animal species it is the male that is naturally, thru selection, more physically attractive. This is somewhat subjective, but generally considered to be the case.

We humans, animals that we are, can be argued are likewise. At least naturally. Both genders do all sorts of things such as shaving, make up, augmentation, working out, ect... that attempt to improve our looks, but naturally, as with most animal species, if unbiased by gender attraction it is the male again.

 

So how does that apply to MM you wonder.

 

In the US about one in 10 households have a net woth of 1 million or more. By far most those households are lead by a male member, over 55, and married. All that said, think of the likelyhood of finding a single attractive male with a net worth over a million. Do some math, and understand there are far more attractive women than millionaire single men. Think how in demand an attractive, younger, millionaire male is.

 

Good luck in your search.

 

 


Speed~

 

You make two points:

 

#1 - The male gender is a physically more attractive form than the female.  In general terms I might tend to agree with you, especially when speaking of the animal kingdom.  And I will even agree with you that a youthful man may enjoy beautiful skin, silky hair and thicker, longer eyelashes than a woman…..but physically there is not much comparison in the overall beauty of the form.  Simply look at the art world, inarguably experts on visual beauty….and you will notice that it is the female form that has captivated the world’s attention and admiration for centuries.  And speaking as a woman who has seen more than a few naked middle- age or older men…..their beauty does not last.  For even if the man remains healthy and in shape….his form becomes coarse, while even well into her eighties a woman will retain milky and soft skin…..especially her breasts, loins, thighs and hips.

 

#2 – A young, physically attractive man that has accumulated a million dollars is the ‘most’ attractive, "in demand", of the males.  While this may be true in the case of the female that lusts for the things money can procure, it is generally not the attribute the majority of women seek.  The majority of women are satisfied with enough money to ensure safety and security.  The paramount characteristic that makes him the ‘most’ attractive male…..is how he makes her feel when she is with him.   If his demeanor is that she should be grateful for every breath she takes because she is allowed to be in his presence….he will be unattractive, regardless of his vast wealth.



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Posted on Sun, Jun 23, 2013 19:55

Quoting SpeedDallas:

Look around the animal Kingdom. What you will find is with most animal species it is the male that is naturally, thru selection, more physically attractive. This is somewhat subjective, but generally considered to be the case.

We humans, animals that we are, can be argued are likewise. At least naturally. Both genders do all sorts of things such as shaving, make up, augmentation, working out, ect... that attempt to improve our looks, but naturally, as with most animal species, if unbiased by gender attraction it is the male again.

 

So how does that apply to MM you wonder.

 

In the US about one in 10 households have a net woth of 1 million or more. By far most those households are lead by a male member, over 55, and married. All that said, think of the likelyhood of finding a single attractive male with a net worth over a million. Do some math, and understand there are far more attractive women than millionaire single men. Think how in demand an attractive, younger, millionaire male is.

 

Good luck in your search.

 

 



They have all worn make-up.  However, I do give credit to some who look more natural and did a good job.  Personally, I like a woman to wear make-up and other enhancements. 



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Posted on Sun, Jun 23, 2013 19:17

It is too bad the male species must rely on looks while the female can be herself.

 

I'd agree with all you wrote sans the human species. I don't think it is the case with us talking monkeys. How many women have you been on a first date with without make up. Yes, the woman not you.



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