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Posted on Thu, Jul 04, 2013 12:50

I get massages often. I just don't go to a nail salon to get them. If my feet are particularly sore i have them focus on them as any other joint or muscles area that is in stress.



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Posted on Thu, Jul 04, 2013 07:20

DAKOTA,

 

YES, foot care is imperative! When you witness the pain some elderly endure, it makes you think twice of the "masculinity" of foot care!

 

RMAC--- What a special story! You and DAK have obviously witnessed the hardships some suffer. Mobility becomes difficult enough for the elderly, so foot care rapidly becomes the most vital issue to many. One can get "false teeth," but "false feet" means being confined to a wheelchair!

 

SUNNY- I hear you on the "back file." DITTO here! I was once "a sexist piglet" as well!! ;)

 

The key is-- Find the foot care specialist who massages and pounds your feet!  (and legs! Yep guys, they go all the way up to the knees!) 

 

SPEEDDALLAS-- Couple of thoughts. Proper vitamins, etc.. do not always constitute good "feet." In the same manner some people are predisposed to cavities, regardless of how much they brush their teeth, the same holds true for feet. Many people have "circulation problems" they have no control over, IE: they eat properly, don't smoke, are not overweight, etc... But they STILL battle circulation issues. THEN, there are some who do NOT care for themselves properly and thus their poor habits contribute to their health issues... DO WE NOT HELP THEM?

 

I dated a cardiologist for several months and we debated this issue a few times. HIS argument? He felt if someone were on a donor list, say an alcoholic who needed a new liver--- He felt he should DECLINE them UNLESS they were never to drink again. I felt he was wrong. 1. DUE TO THE HIPPOCRATIC OATH, PERIOD! And 2. Does this mean we quit giving insulin etc. to diabetics who are only diabetic due to WEIGHT issues? Although there are GENETICS that link diabetes to many people, as many as 85% of people who suffer diabetes suffer B/C they have over eaten for so many years, they are grossly overweight. Do we not help them? What about STD's? If a woman gets syphilis due to being promiscuous, do we not treat her? What if a smoker develops lung cancer? Do we watch them suffer and say, "Well, it says it on the side of the cigarettes!"   

 

I learned working in the medical field trying to help those who could not help themselves, to be careful how I looked at the individual. I now apply that with the "METRO-MEN!" LOL.. 

 

Admittedly, I am like SUNNY.. I have to pull out that dusty file box and remind myself I AM A SEXIST PIG in regard to mani/pedi's for men!  I must say, it is a bit "odd" for me when a man I date says he just had a manicure. (Or the hairdresser dyed his beard!) But I haven't dated many mechanics where you EXPECT him to have dirty hands, so it has actually become quite common! 

 

Get a pedi SPEED,,,, where she pounds your legs and squeezes your feet, and YOU WILL NEVER BE THE SAME! I can even hold your hand through it! BUT, if you decide on polish, I MIGHT BE WALKING HOME!! ;) 

 

                               ~~ HAPPY INDEPENDENCE DAY EVERYONE!! ~~

 



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Posted on Thu, Jul 04, 2013 06:02

Massage? Sure. Have ruptured my plantar fascia once and feet, back,legs and elbows can always benefit from massage. On mani/pedicure I can safely say never. Proper health and diet will keep nails from getting overly gnarly. Pedi if yellowed is like chewing gum as the cure for pure oral hygiene. Silk on a pig is still a pig.  Have a good 4th all, unless British in which case sorry for the stick in the eye. Perspective.



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Posted on Wed, Jul 03, 2013 09:57

First off to assume men or women all think alike is not what I'd assume ever. I know plenty of women who like to see naked bodies. I also have heard from some who'd prefer I not have picture with my shirt off. Similarly I've heard guys who are turned off by women scantily clothed in their pictures. I file that under can't please all. Why try. Might explain why non US beaches are rife with males in speedos.

 

 

 

As to the metrosexualization of men, some women like it and some even demand it, while others are repelled by it. I've found mostly it is more likely approved by younger US women. Is funny as when I was young the Burt Reynolds hairy body and thus the shirts unbuttoned was quite popular, and now, not so much. The other trend I refuse to follow is the untucked shirt explosion. If one's body dictates that hide, okay, but for me a big Nyet. Grudge, and the Cobains started it, and I love that music and it's offspring, but sloppy is not me.

 

 

 

The day I get a pedicure, shoot me. Twice just to be sure.



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Posted on Mon, Jul 01, 2013 10:00

Quoting Dakota35:

"Women are beautiful, if you disagree then try dating the men."

Liv, when did you start reading minds?  Just for the record...I AGREE!, I AGREE!, I AGREE infinity!

 



Great minds think alike, DAK....great minds!

 

Liv.



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Posted on Mon, Jul 01, 2013 09:57

Quoting Diana3316:

Speed~

This is a very common problem.  Men often think….well if I like something, a woman will like it too.  Example:  Men like to look at photos of naked women, so men frequently offer to send pictures of their naked bodies.  Dear Lord….spare me!  Women do NOT want to see that stuff!

 

My point here is that men are very visual and extremely attracted to the beauty of women.

 

Unfortunately, women have succumbed to the billions of corporate advertising dollars/brainwashing, Hollywood/media role models…. and have come to believe putting chemicals on themselves is required to meet current beauty standards.  Additionally, men reinforce this behavior by being attracted to youthful Bay Watch beauties.  If you ever have a chance to read some male profiles…..many…if not most say their match should be “hot, extremely good looking” and often “curvy”.

 

It seems to me that women putting makeup on and/or having plastic surgery does not prove your point that men are more “naturally” attractive than women.  And you actually never provided your opinion as to what attributes were more attractive about the male form vs the female.

 

And finally, in your original post:

 

What you will find is with most animal species it is the male that is naturally, thru selection, more physically attractive. This is somewhat subjective, but generally considered to be the case.  We humans, animals that we are, can be argued are likewise.  ……… but naturally, as with most animal species, if unbiased by gender attraction it is the male again.

 

Not true.  We humans cannot be argued as likewise.  Women are far more likely to be forgiving of physical imperfections in men.  This is why men don’t feel a need to wear makeup.  Although women may take a precursory look at a good looking man….it is a fleeting criteria.  As long as his looks are within normal limits, she may still select him.  How many times have you seen a really good looking woman with a very ordinary looking man?  (Even Henry Kissinger got a woman to marry him)  Human males are selected due to their behavior….not due to their physical attractiveness…..generally.  What can be effectively argued....is that that behavior is typically the appearance of power and dominance.  I do not mean a man that behaves like a brut.



Thanks, Diana for this. It's the socio-cultural programming aspect that hasn't somewhat quite dropped for Speed. Not that women need makeup to look better, but that both men and women have been programmed by the media to believe that women need it to look better. We don't - which is my simple position. I personally can do without makeup and I have never had any complaints. I also enjoy the ritual of putting on the makeup. I remember as a little girl, when I would watch my much older sisters (teenagers at the time) do their makeup routine; I couldn't wait to be old enough to be allowed to wear some, LOL! Did I need it? Of course not - it's just a matter of monkey see, monkey do! We've been told we look better in it so we dive in!

 

Liv.



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Posted on Sun, Jun 30, 2013 17:47

Quoting Dakota35:

I have a huge soft spot in my heart for the elderly.  I did the same for my grandfather.  Vaseline and betadine works miracles.



I did a pedicure for my Father once.  I did not know it was a pedicure then, but all this pedicure discussion caused me to look up how to do one.  So, now I know that, that is what I did then. 

 

He had asked my Mom to cut his toenails as his hands were shaky and his eyes weak.  She would have done so, but she was only marginally better able so she asked me to do it. 

 

I was a bit embarrassed to do it.  After all, he was my Father.  One of my heroes.  My defender.  The person I had loved and respected all my life.  Dumb me. 

 

So I did it.  Everything per the pedicure instructions as now described on the internet.  Sans the polish, of course. 

 

To hear him tell of it afterwards, you would have thought I really had done something. 

 

 

RMac

 



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Posted on Sat, Jun 29, 2013 04:38

So is a young attractive millionaire better than an older perhaps less attractive millionaire?- well that boils down to the individual. Looks and money really don't mean a lot if the person has a rotton personality. It all comes down to the connection and chemistry. Some people date older, some younger, some around their age. Everyone has their own individual preference in choosing a partner. Looks and money are superficial - personality and who someone is as an individual outweighs that by far.

 

Sarah :-)



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Posted on Fri, Jun 28, 2013 17:48

Quoting Hoping4Love2000:

When I worked in health care we had a little old man who had "bad feet." They were cracked severely and after we showered him, we had to put lotion all over his feet and cover them w/ socks. His feet hurt often and looked just awful!! :((((( 

 

Feet and teeth everyone! TAKE GOOD CARE OF THEM, THEY'RE THE ONLY ONES YOU HAVE!

 

But guys---

LEAVE THE POLISH FOR THE LADIES!

 

Oh I dated a guy that put clear on his fingernails before.. (You couldn't really tell.)

BUT, he did it B/C they cracked all the time!  


I have a huge soft spot in my heart for the elderly.  I did the same for my grandfather.  Vaseline and betadine works miracles.



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Posted on Fri, Jun 28, 2013 17:39

Quoting Mtnsunny:

Dakota,

 

A gay thing....I had to ponder that for a moment, because I knew back in my mental file cabinet I had something that would contribute to that thought.

 

When preparing for a tropical vacation,  a Pedi is wonderful and makes a woman feel pretty...at least your feet.  :)  The last visit, an older gentleman was sitting next to me getting one. Teasing, I asked him what color polish he had chosen... :), he smiled and our conversation started.

He continued to tell me why he was there, he seemed like a manly man.  He shared with me that the next day he was going into the hospital to have open heart surgery.  Immediately I felt for him. He said the doctor couldn't give him a absolute that he would survive the procedure. Therefore, with a smile, he said that at least he won't have ugly feet. We shared a laugh or two together, then before we parted ways, I gave him a hug and said I would be praying.

 

I pray it all went well for him, then just shortly after that encounter, I found out that my brother was going to have a Pedi before his surgery. I knew he was having trouble with his legs and walking, but what was causing all of that was still a mystery until he explained that he was having back surgery to help relieve the pressure off his legs. What went with the pain of walking, was that the circulation was being effected in his feet ... his toenails were not pretty!

Moral of the story...health is a good reason, making them pretty...more on the pretty boy side in my book.

I agree, there are men today who have lost the manly skills. I appreciate a man who recognizes the difference between a crescent and a torch wrench, not that he has to use it very often,  but you get my drift.  It would be nice if he knew how to build a nice fire in the fire place, besides turn on the gas switch to produce a fire. :)

 

Mtnsunny



I had never thought about getting a pedi before going in the hospital.  I can see why a guy would do that..especially older men.  My feet are not bad looking so it never crossed my mind.  I guess, it's kind of like making sure you have new undies before going to the doc. :)  I have a list of things I want to have done, but pedi is not on that list...YET. :) 

 

Mtnsunny, if it had been a good looking younger guy sitting beside you getting a pedi, what would you have thought? 



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Posted on Fri, Jun 28, 2013 13:03

When I worked in health care we had a little old man who had "bad feet." They were cracked severely and after we showered him, we had to put lotion all over his feet and cover them w/ socks. His feet hurt often and looked just awful!! :((((( 

 

Feet and teeth everyone! TAKE GOOD CARE OF THEM, THEY'RE THE ONLY ONES YOU HAVE!

 

But guys---

LEAVE THE POLISH FOR THE LADIES!

 

Oh I dated a guy that put clear on his fingernails before.. (You couldn't really tell.)

BUT, he did it B/C they cracked all the time!  



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Posted on Fri, Jun 28, 2013 09:28

I think at this moment in anthropological time, the women are clearly more attractive.  If the world ever tips upside down and the women do all the work as well as bear and raise their babies, I expect the males will be judged only on their health, vigor, and beauty as is true in most of the rest of the animal kingdom. 

 

Why not, he then won't be good for anything other than the stirring of the DNA pool.  

 

 

RMac

 



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Posted on Fri, Jun 28, 2013 04:04

Quoting StunningYetShy76:

Yes Dakota, I realized my mistake.. :) Thrillionaire.. ;)


LOL, I see now...Thrillionaire.  This means someone that knows the thrill of giving and inspires others through sharing their gift.  So maybe being a Thrillionaire is worth even more than Trillionaire.  Was that on the front cover?  If so, Forbes did it intentionally as a marketing ploy to get peoples attention.  They were hoping that people would misread thinking it said Trillionaire...as this would be a new step up for the wealthiest and catch attention.

 

 



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Posted on Thu, Jun 27, 2013 23:27

Quoting Mtnsunny:

Very Nice Dakota, I believe your spot on...and a great story to share as well.  Some lady is going to feel very blessed to land you as a companion.  :)

 

I find something I heard interesting...do you think more men are getting Pedi's to improve their looks, besides the fact that it is heaven to have one?

 

The news cast that I heard about this actually took it one step further and said that they have so many men enjoying this procedure that they have opened many "only for men salons" for their nails and toes.  :)

 

Mtnsunny



 

 

 

Mtnsunny, I am not sure about men and "Pedi's".  I can tell you that I do believe men are becoming more feminine acting.  I see this as both good and bad.  In general, I believe men should be masculine, strong, protective.  I also believe they should take care of themselves equally as well as their female partner. (i.e.  If a man expects his wife to be in shape and stay pretty, then he should also stay in shape and do his best to look as good as possible)  I'll share a recent experience with you....

 

So two days ago, I went to a local med-spa for a photo facial (IPL).  A long time male employee and friend went with me.  He joked that I was like a woman getting a facial.  A esthetician performed the procedure.  While talking with her, she said I should get a skin detox.  I told her that it didn't seem right for a man to get such.  In a puzzled way she asked, "why?".  I explained that, me being a man, that it just seemed like a feminine thing.  From the way she responded it seemed that many men were having this done.  So, I wouldn't doubt that many men are not getting pedi's.

 

With that said, I have also heard women complain that men are no longer like men.  That men don't do men things any more, like, repairing the kids bike, working on the car, repairing the toilet, or getting their hands dirty in any way.  In fact the women complain that men don't even know how to do these things.  The women that told me this said that their dad knew how to do all these things and that they also wanted a man that had these skills.  I point this out because I can't imagine any men 50 years ago getting pedi's.  I've gotten several emails soliciting for pedi's and I never even thought of having one.  It might be a gay thing? 



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Posted on Thu, Jun 27, 2013 04:30

As I said looks are subjective as is attractiveness. That said the point of the post was not whether human males or females are more attractive. It sure has caused a different debate, but not the point. For the purpose of getting past this subjective opinion, let us assume the female is more attractive.

 

 

 

The point of the thread was the difficultly, based on the numbers to find a younger than 55, single attractive male. Females being more attractive than males, and as someone noted wealthy men more likely to be over weight, only adds to that difficulty. Supply and demand dictates so.



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Posted on Wed, Jun 26, 2013 19:58

Quoting Mtnsunny:

Quoting Dakota35:

Diana, the devil must be getting very cold...I agree with you 100%.  Oh god, did I just say that, NO!.......................  Very well said.
 
But you are exactly correct.  And thank God that women will look past a guys imperfections, because we have plenty.   Guys will do the same but with more fight before giving in. 
 
So I guess that means there is still hope for me...Maybe?  Oh, and the hot chick with the average guy makes me crazy.  I just was in Walmart two days ago and saw this...WHY?  HOW?  Would someone let me in on the secret?

 

 

 

Dak, I was wondering the same thing about amazing looking men with average women...maybe Orlando can help us with this one.  :)

 

 Mtnsunny




Hello Mtnsunny,

Perhaps it is that we are unable to judge the looks well of our fellow gender.  Back when my GF was alive, she called me one day and said; Have you seen Katy Perry?  I replied; No, but I have heard her songs.  My GF replied, she's your type you would fall in love with her looks.  I thought, wow, I've got to see what she looks like.  So I got online and Googled her photos.  She's not bad looking but I wasn't really excited by her.  So you see, perhaps we can't judge well.  Just perhaps, guys see the girl that you think as average looking as much more attractive.  Just one thought. 

 

(I'll add this;  Men get jealous of me when I'm in a group with women in which they are interested.  My friend finds such humor in this since he knows women are not knocking down my door.  So these guy see me as a threat...apparently they can't judge what women want very well.)

 

1.  It could be that he has low self-esteem.

 

2.  She could be supplying him with drugs (I've seen this on the flip side)

 

3.  Perhaps, he was friends with her first and the relationship evolved.

 

4.  Maybe she or her family has money (I've seen this)

 

5.  Maybe he is using her (I've seen this)

 

Now, on the other side...Good looking women with average guys.  I think all of the above fit.  But it is also the way the guy approaches the woman and how she perceives him.  He doesn't have to be that good looking.  All he has to do is make her believe that he has it going on.  Make her respect him, make her believe he is respected by all his friends and in society, have a air of confidence that doesn't seem conceited, and show her a good time.  I could be wrong about this but I've experienced it first hand.

 

Short Story:  I was at a tavern with a group (some I didn't know).  There was this woman that I began talking to.  The conversation started off rocky.  I can't even remember the topic but I was opinionated (I know that's difficult to believe).  I said something she didn't like and she said; "Do you think you are the only guy in this world".  I leaned forward and replied; I'm the only guy in the world that matters".  I have a friend that will confirm what I'm saying, as he witnessed it.  With what I said, this woman's personality totally changed.  She started flirting with me and the conversation was great.  When we started to leave she told me how much she had enjoyed our conversation and hoped we could meet again.  It was a unique and very interesting experience for me.  My observation is women want men to disagree with them sometimes and also be confident in whom they are and what they are saying.  I've also experience the same at other times.  Almost forgot something that may have also contributed to the above situation.  Two guys were drinking at the table and they started getting jealous arrogant (liquid courage).  I finally had enough of it and shut them up.  So perhaps that was also a Alpha male thing that the women found attractive. 

 

 

You ladies can correct me if what I said is wrong as I'm surely no player or Casanova. :)



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Posted on Wed, Jun 26, 2013 19:04

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Dakota: I have Forbes in my hand... it says Nick Woodman Trillionaire... I'll post a picture


 

Must have been a intentional exaggeration by Forbes as he is not the most wealthy by far and the most wealthy is a billionaire.  Just saying, not trying to dispute what you say.  Carlos Sims and Bill Gates are two of the most wealthy and they are both billionaires.  Some of the Sultans of Oil might have more but that's difficult to evaluate.  Most Billionaires wealth comes from owning shares in their own company.  It is difficult to pin down their true wealth because if their shares were liquidated the share price of the company would collapse.  So all amounts are loosely guesstimated.  Bottom line is that they have more than they need.

 



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Posted on Wed, Jun 26, 2013 12:08

Quoting Dakota35:

Diana, the devil must be getting very cold...I agree with you 100%.  Oh god, did I just say that, NO!.......................  Very well said.

 

But you are exactly correct.  And thank God that women will look past a guys imperfections, because we have plenty.   Guys will do the same but with more fight before giving in. 

 

So I guess that means there is still hope for me...Maybe?  Oh, and the hot chick with the average guy makes me crazy.  I just was in Walmart two days ago and saw this...WHY?  HOW?  Would someone let me in on the secret?

 



Two points; The imperfections that women have are typically not shown outright to males or else the majority of them would not get to know her.

As far as the good looking woman who stays with the average looking male. Two reasons could be that more women are less shallow and BECOME attracted to the men they fall in love with. Over time she fell in love.  The second reason could be that he satisfies her in the bedroom.



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Posted on Wed, Jun 26, 2013 11:06

Quoting Dakota35:

Diana, the devil must be getting very cold...I agree with you 100%.  Oh god, did I just say that, NO!.......................  Very well said.

 

But you are exactly correct.  And thank God that women will look past a guys imperfections, because we have plenty.   Guys will do the same but with more fight before giving in. 

 

So I guess that means there is still hope for me...Maybe?  Oh, and the hot chick with the average guy makes me crazy.  I just was in Walmart two days ago and saw this...WHY?  HOW?  Would someone let me in on the secret?

 



OMG!! I finally post a comment and come to see if it has been posted, and I learn that

 

 

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!HELL HAS FROZEN OVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(I thought I felt a sudden chill!! HA!) 

 

DAKOTA and LOVELY LADY DI are in 100% agreement!! WOW!!! LOL...

 

LADY DI, you expressed the "who's more attractive issue" SPOT ON! 

 

SPEED 

Most of society "follows with the grain" if the subject matter is non political. Women have been wearing makeup since Egyptian times. Guess what? Archaeologist have discovered Egyptian men ALSO wore makeup. It would be my guess the makeup may have been limited to the elite as a "status" symbol... like a crown for a Princess! LOL... 

 

WHY did makeup not catch on for men then throughout time? Hmmm.. My guess would be, "we are wired differently!" Our genetic "makeup" (HA!) differs, and women are more wired to "primp" and men are typically more visual than women, so these attributes feed off one another. NO MAN I have ever known has changed his clothes 5 times before a date because he feels everything makes him look fat or his butt looks big! LOL..  WHY do women feel this way? Well, I guess if men grew up with "VICTOR'S SECRET" viewing a slew of young, beautiful, hot bodied men running around half naked being thrown in their face, they'd have better understanding. I also feel men AND women have amplified this due to men focusing on the female body, enhancing women's insecurities. As LIV said, I feel sorry for women who have work done for the wrong reasons. I also find it ironic w/ the previous stats from the CDC I posted that more men seem to desire "attractive bodies" than women do, but wealthy men lead regular guys in being overweight! (I guess that's B/C, as LADY DI stated, WOMEN ARE MORE FORGIVING!) Now WHY? I feel it is because women are more emotionally attuned than men as a rule; so this enables women to see the beauty inside a man before a man may embrace her "interior" beauty. He's still too busy looking at her outward appearance. Due to men being so focused on "looks," this assist in women spending billions a year in makeup, hair, nails, AND SURGERIES. See, it's the REVERSE of your thoughts. Women do it B/C MEN, and society as a collective, are more focused on looks of women and not necessarily her inner qualities. WHY? B/C men are visual creatures. That's why Playboy is far more popular than Playgirl. In the animal kingdom, it is the MALE that must look good. In humans, it's quite the opposite.    

 

"Society" has schooled us all our lives on "what looks good" and most women do like pretty bras and things that make them feel sexy or attractive, regardless of her body, and advertising plays on this. But lets face reality; even if models are too thin, their bodies lack cellulite, wrinkles, any blemishes they have are airbrushed and their bodies aren't saggy and used up from having babies. GRAVITY AND WEIGHT ARE A WOMAN'S WORST ENEMIES! THAT'S why models are usually thin and young. This plays a part in little girls growing up "idolizing" models. This can lead to low self-esteem may be a major factor behind many woman and the knife.

 

Additionally, men are more physically active on the whole, so it isn't practical to wear makeup. Take sports for example. The more physically active we are, the more we sweat. I can see it now, a QB calling a TIME OUT in the middle of a play B/C his mascara ran from sweating and he needed to wash his eye out! "HOLD UP GUYS! I FORGOT TO WEAR WATERPROOF TODAY!" LOL... When I worked for a friend doing carpentry type work, I didn't wear makeup. It wasn't practical in the heat. I learned the FIRST DAY not to wear jeans to work. I "thought" I was being smart, as I was working with old wood tearing down a shed. I thought my jeans would protect me. Well, they may have, but I couldn't perform as efficiently with my jeans sticking to me as well as being over heated! I wore short shorts from then on and dealt with the scratches and spiders! In fact, I didn't even wear contacts because when I sweat that much, the sweat runs in my eyes and burns my contacts and messes them up. There may be a few women out there doing "man's work," but the majority of women are not out slinging hammers and laying shingles! Although many women can do such things, most select not to as a career B/C it's back breaking work and like it or not, men ARE, for the majority, stronger physically than women. 

 

Which brings another point... No SPEED, men may not wear makeup, but, men who "primp" usually do so with their bodies. They lift weights, body build, get muscles, have contests, etc.. and this has been going on since the late 1800's. It took almost 100 years for women to compete in bodybuilding, and guess what? In a short time women have become so competitive many take steroids (testosterone-- something unnatural for a woman to have high amounts of) to get "bigger" and "leaner" so she can win contests.  When women take roids, it changes their hormonal balance more to a man's so her voice deepens, she starts growing more facial hair, she gets blemishes and she loses her breast due to shrinkage of breast tissue. (And this is only the physical side effects of it.) You will not see the vast majority of women embracing this, as it is unnatural for a woman to make her body akin to a man's. And the sad fact is, if one woman takes roids, they ALL have to if they want a chance at winning, even more so than a man has to, because the roid effects aren't "natural." Lance Armstrong was recently stripped from his titles due to roid use. Steroids are many athletes "plastic surgery." Especially those who earn a living from it. 

MEN and the knife? ASPS says men account for almost 10% of surgeries and have been on the rise since 1997. But men's motivation is not women, it is for employment purposes. 

 



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Quoting Diana3316:

Speed~

This is a very common problem.  Men often think….well if I like something, a woman will like it too.  Example:  Men like to look at photos of naked women, so men frequently offer to send pictures of their naked bodies.  Dear Lord….spare me!  Women do NOT want to see that stuff!

 

My point here is that men are very visual and extremely attracted to the beauty of women.

 

Unfortunately, women have succumbed to the billions of corporate advertising dollars/brainwashing, Hollywood/media role models…. and have come to believe putting chemicals on themselves is required to meet current beauty standards.  Additionally, men reinforce this behavior by being attracted to youthful Bay Watch beauties.  If you ever have a chance to read some male profiles…..many…if not most say their match should be “hot, extremely good looking” and often “curvy”.

 

It seems to me that women putting makeup on and/or having plastic surgery does not prove your point that men are more “naturally” attractive than women.  And you actually never provided your opinion as to what attributes were more attractive about the male form vs the female.

 

And finally, in your original post:

 

What you will find is with most animal species it is the male that is naturally, thru selection, more physically attractive. This is somewhat subjective, but generally considered to be the case.  We humans, animals that we are, can be argued are likewise.  ……… but naturally, as with most animal species, if unbiased by gender attraction it is the male again.

 

Not true.  We humans cannot be argued as likewise.  Women are far more likely to be forgiving of physical imperfections in men.  This is why men don’t feel a need to wear makeup.  Although women may take a precursory look at a good looking man….it is a fleeting criteria.  As long as his looks are within normal limits, she may still select him.  How many times have you seen a really good looking woman with a very ordinary looking man?  (Even Henry Kissinger got a woman to marry him)  Human males are selected due to their behavior….not due to their physical attractiveness…..generally.  What can be effectively argued....is that that behavior is typically the appearance of power and dominance.  I do not mean a man that behaves like a brut.



Diana, the devil must be getting very cold...I agree with you 100%.  Oh god, did I just say that, NO!.......................  Very well said.

 

But you are exactly correct.  And thank God that women will look past a guys imperfections, because we have plenty.   Guys will do the same but with more fight before giving in. 

 

So I guess that means there is still hope for me...Maybe?  Oh, and the hot chick with the average guy makes me crazy.  I just was in Walmart two days ago and saw this...WHY?  HOW?  Would someone let me in on the secret?

 



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