Speed~

This is a very common problem.  Men often think….well if I like something, a woman will like it too.  Example:  Men like to look at photos of naked women, so men frequently offer to send pictures of their naked bodies.  Dear Lord….spare me!  Women do NOT want to see that stuff!

My point here is that men are very visual and extremely attracted to the beauty of women.

Unfortunately, women have succumbed to the billions of corporate advertising dollars/brainwashing, Hollywood/media role models…. and have come to believe putting chemicals on themselves is required to meet current beauty standards.  Additionally, men reinforce this behavior by being attracted to youthful Bay Watch beauties.  If you ever have a chance to read some male profiles…..many…if not most say their match should be “hot, extremely good looking” and often “curvy”.

It seems to me that women putting makeup on and/or having plastic surgery does not prove your point that men are more “naturally” attractive than women.  And you actually never provided your opinion as to what attributes were more attractive about the male form vs the female.

And finally, in your original post:

What you will find is with most animal species it is the male that is naturally, thru selection, more physically attractive. This is somewhat subjective, but generally considered to be the case.  We humans, animals that we are, can be argued are likewise.  ……… but naturally, as with most animal species, if unbiased by gender attraction it is the male again.

Not true.  We humans cannot be argued as likewise.  Women are far more likely to be forgiving of physical imperfections in men.  This is why men don’t feel a need to wear makeup.  Although women may take a precursory look at a good looking man….it is a fleeting criteria.  As long as his looks are within normal limits, she may still select him.  How many times have you seen a really good looking woman with a very ordinary looking man?  (Even Henry Kissinger got a woman to marry him)  Human males are selected due to their behavior….not due to their physical attractiveness…..generally.  What can be effectively argued....is that that behavior is typically the appearance of power and dominance.  I do not mean a man that behaves like a brut.

Speed~

This is a very common problem.  Men often think….well if I like something, a woman will like it too.  Example:  Men like to look at photos of naked women, so men frequently offer to send pictures of their naked bodies.  Dear Lord….spare me!  Women do NOT want to see that stuff!

My point here is that men are very visual and extremely attracted to the beauty of women.

Unfortunately, women have succumbed to the billions of corporate advertising dollars/brainwashing, Hollywood/media role models…. and have come to believe putting chemicals on themselves is required to meet current beauty standards.  Additionally, men reinforce this behavior by being attracted to youthful Bay Watch beauties.  If you ever have a chance to read some male profiles…..many…if not most say their match should be “hot, extremely good looking” and often “curvy”.

It seems to me that women putting makeup on and/or having plastic surgery does not prove your point that men are more “naturally” attractive than women.  And you actually never provided your opinion as to what attributes were more attractive about the male form vs the female.

And finally, in your original post:

What you will find is with most animal species it is the male that is naturally, thru selection, more physically attractive. This is somewhat subjective, but generally considered to be the case.  We humans, animals that we are, can be argued are likewise.  ……… but naturally, as with most animal species, if unbiased by gender attraction it is the male again.

Not true.  We humans cannot be argued as likewise.  Women are far more likely to be forgiving of physical imperfections in men.  This is why men don’t feel a need to wear makeup.  Although women may take a precursory look at a good looking man….it is a fleeting criteria.  As long as his looks are within normal limits, she may still select him.  How many times have you seen a really good looking woman with a very ordinary looking man?  (Even Henry Kissinger got a woman to marry him)  Human males are selected due to their behavior….not due to their physical attractiveness…..generally.  What can be effectively argued....is that that behavior is typically the appearance of power and dominance.  I do not mean a man that behaves like a brut.

First, WELCOME to the blogs SPEEDDALLAS-
You will find we are a diverse group here…
 
In the animal kingdom, there are many males that are more “colorful” than the females…
 
BIRDS play a large role in this, IE: Cardinals and Peacocks…
I would say in birds this holds true due to the female being the primary caregiver sitting on the eggs and needing to “camouflage” herself. Female cardinals sit on the eggs most of the time. If the male sat on them all the time, it would increase the odds of predators for being seen. This would not be functional for “survival.”
 
On the other hand, with many animals, the mother will abandon their baby if their baby is seen as “weak.” Animals have more instinct than humans and can “sense” things we can't. I’ve watched animal shows where babies have been left who could not keep up when the animal knew they were being trailed by a predator. WHY? FOR SURVIVAL of the fittest!
 
In the animal kingdom, such as the Old World Monkey, there is ONE male who is the leader of the pack of his “harem!” Should another male come along and desire this “harem,” the infiltrator will fight to the death to win the females, and then kill the offspring of the fallen leader.
 
There are also many animals that commit infanticide, (killing their own offspring,) such as male mice. In many species, it is said they do this in order to eliminate competition as well as being able to procreate with the female again. If the mother is feeding offspring, she is often not considered as “mate able.”
 
ANIMALS ARE MORE INSTINCTIVE DUE To NATURE. IE: Dogs are now used to smell patients with cancer and other ailments. When I lived in California, I had an American Eskimo. Tuesday went crazy one day! I had no idea what was wrong with her, but she started moving about as a human would, pacing from room to room… A few minutes later, we had an earthquake many, many miles away! The walls started shaking and I went to the front doorway to find EVERYONE WAS IN THEIR FRONT DOORWAY! I looked to my neighbor and said, “So that’s an earthquake?” She said, “Yes, it was either really small, or very far away.” A human could never sense these things. DOGS ARE AMAZING CREATURES!!
 
Tuesday also knew when “daddy was home!” We lived in a large apartment complex on the top floor, so he parked far away. (It was not as if he was pulling into the driveway of a home.) But I knew when he was home because she would stand at the sliding door and get antsy! I’d say, “Daddy’s home!” and she would start jumping!
 
So to say we are equivalent to the animal kingdom is incorrect. We are nothing like animals in many respects. Fathers don’t eat their young as to not have competition and men don’t go around killing another man to gain his harem. For staunch activist against abortion, this is the major factor in their thinking. They feel strongly to abort is akin to an animalistic nature of killing your young. In some respect, I agree, as some women at higher risk have amnio to see if their child has defects. If they do, they may abort. Most humans care for their children who are considered “flawed” with disabilities such as autism, however.
 
Humans are DOMINANT over the animal kingdom. Animals don’t have jobs, and drive cars and produce activist groups to “stop cruelty of humans!”
 
WHY? Well, I just said it! HUMANS ARE DOMINANT OVER THE ANIMAL KINGDOM!
 
In so far as “men are more attractive?” The CDC claims in the year 2009-2010 35.7% of Americans were obese, with not much difference in men or women. Additionally, obesity in children was higher in boys than girls. (18.6% to 15%) Now these are ONLY OBESITY stats from the CDC. They claim another 32% of Americans are overweight, but not overweight enough to be called “obese.” Guess what? Men lead in being overweight by about 2%!
 
Another fact? The CDC claims obesity in men and women differ with financial status. Poor women dominate being hefty while the wealthier men carry more excess baggage. My guess? All that red wine and steak dinners and eating out all the time after sitting behind a desk and not exercising for wealthy men. Now couple this with the fact men bald far earlier and their sexual abilities are not as favorable as when they were younger? I’d say MEN are the ones who need to step up their game!  It is no picnic trying to find a man regardless of his financial status as 67% of Americans are overweight to begin with. Now add $$$. The WEALTHY men are heaviest versus non-wealthy men. 
 
And as far as makeup and hair, etc… We do it because we are females and most have enjoyed doodling with our hair and face since we were little girls, just like most of us like baby dolls and teddy bears versus dump trucks! We are not in competition with men. We want men to think we are pretty! Men CAN look better with makeup themselves, hence why actors must wear it. But it is not perceived as “masculine” to do girl things and most men are not that vain. And it’s a good thing, or we would fight more for bathroom mirror time!
 
MONEY? ONLY 22% of HOUSEHOLDS even make 6 figures yearly... That is HOUSEHOLDS, NOT individuals.... IE: the man makes 64K, wife makes 36K... COMBINED----- THEY make a portion of the 22% of all 6 figured incomes... They file “jointly.”
 
Only 5% of American HOUSEHOLDS make $250K or above... and $250K last time I checked is NOT a million.
 
But, at the end of the day, WHY does a man need to be attractive?
Because WOMEN HAVE WHAT YOU MEN WANT!

First, WELCOME to the blogs SPEEDDALLAS-
You will find we are a diverse group here…
 
In the animal kingdom, there are many males that are more “colorful” than the females…
 
BIRDS play a large role in this, IE: Cardinals and Peacocks…
I would say in birds this holds true due to the female being the primary caregiver sitting on the eggs and needing to “camouflage” herself. Female cardinals sit on the eggs most of the time. If the male sat on them all the time, it would increase the odds of predators for being seen. This would not be functional for “survival.”
 
On the other hand, with many animals, the mother will abandon their baby if their baby is seen as “weak.” Animals have more instinct than humans and can “sense” things we can't. I’ve watched animal shows where babies have been left who could not keep up when the animal knew they were being trailed by a predator. WHY? FOR SURVIVAL of the fittest!
 
In the animal kingdom, such as the Old World Monkey, there is ONE male who is the leader of the pack of his “harem!” Should another male come along and desire this “harem,” the infiltrator will fight to the death to win the females, and then kill the offspring of the fallen leader.
 
There are also many animals that commit infanticide, (killing their own offspring,) such as male mice. In many species, it is said they do this in order to eliminate competition as well as being able to procreate with the female again. If the mother is feeding offspring, she is often not considered as “mate able.”
 
ANIMALS ARE MORE INSTINCTIVE DUE To NATURE. IE: Dogs are now used to smell patients with cancer and other ailments. When I lived in California, I had an American Eskimo. Tuesday went crazy one day! I had no idea what was wrong with her, but she started moving about as a human would, pacing from room to room… A few minutes later, we had an earthquake many, many miles away! The walls started shaking and I went to the front doorway to find EVERYONE WAS IN THEIR FRONT DOORWAY! I looked to my neighbor and said, “So that’s an earthquake?” She said, “Yes, it was either really small, or very far away.” A human could never sense these things. DOGS ARE AMAZING CREATURES!!
 
Tuesday also knew when “daddy was home!” We lived in a large apartment complex on the top floor, so he parked far away. (It was not as if he was pulling into the driveway of a home.) But I knew when he was home because she would stand at the sliding door and get antsy! I’d say, “Daddy’s home!” and she would start jumping!
 
So to say we are equivalent to the animal kingdom is incorrect. We are nothing like animals in many respects. Fathers don’t eat their young as to not have competition and men don’t go around killing another man to gain his harem. For staunch activist against abortion, this is the major factor in their thinking. They feel strongly to abort is akin to an animalistic nature of killing your young. In some respect, I agree, as some women at higher risk have amnio to see if their child has defects. If they do, they may abort. Most humans care for their children who are considered “flawed” with disabilities such as autism, however.
 
Humans are DOMINANT over the animal kingdom. Animals don’t have jobs, and drive cars and produce activist groups to “stop cruelty of humans!”
 
WHY? Well, I just said it! HUMANS ARE DOMINANT OVER THE ANIMAL KINGDOM!
 
In so far as “men are more attractive?” The CDC claims in the year 2009-2010 35.7% of Americans were obese, with not much difference in men or women. Additionally, obesity in children was higher in boys than girls. (18.6% to 15%) Now these are ONLY OBESITY stats from the CDC. They claim another 32% of Americans are overweight, but not overweight enough to be called “obese.” Guess what? Men lead in being overweight by about 2%!
 
Another fact? The CDC claims obesity in men and women differ with financial status. Poor women dominate being hefty while the wealthier men carry more excess baggage. My guess? All that red wine and steak dinners and eating out all the time after sitting behind a desk and not exercising for wealthy men. Now couple this with the fact men bald far earlier and their sexual abilities are not as favorable as when they were younger? I’d say MEN are the ones who need to step up their game!  It is no picnic trying to find a man regardless of his financial status as 67% of Americans are overweight to begin with. Now add $$$. The WEALTHY men are heaviest versus non-wealthy men. 
 
And as far as makeup and hair, etc… We do it because we are females and most have enjoyed doodling with our hair and face since we were little girls, just like most of us like baby dolls and teddy bears versus dump trucks! We are not in competition with men. We want men to think we are pretty! Men CAN look better with makeup themselves, hence why actors must wear it. But it is not perceived as “masculine” to do girl things and most men are not that vain. And it’s a good thing, or we would fight more for bathroom mirror time!
 
MONEY? ONLY 22% of HOUSEHOLDS even make 6 figures yearly... That is HOUSEHOLDS, NOT individuals.... IE: the man makes 64K, wife makes 36K... COMBINED----- THEY make a portion of the 22% of all 6 figured incomes... They file “jointly.”
 
Only 5% of American HOUSEHOLDS make $250K or above... and $250K last time I checked is NOT a million.
 
But, at the end of the day, WHY does a man need to be attractive?
Because WOMEN HAVE WHAT YOU MEN WANT!

A beautiful woman's beauty is inestimable but for a season! Same can be said for a man's attractiveness. Men can be beautiful as well, but I do not see a comparison between male species and female species as far as beauty is concerned. What I think, and this is my opinion, is that each specie is unique and beautiful in their own rights and their respective beauty complements the other's. I have never pitched women's beauty against men's handsomeness - it's a moot point. Why not just fall for men then since they are soooo irresistibly beautiful - why do men swoon all over women if your assertions have solid basis to them? If what you are asserting is accurate, I'd expect every man to become gay!
 

As for your question as to why so many women wear makeup? It is more of a socio-cultural programming than anything else! From what my friends and people who have stayed at my home tell me, I am perfectly beautiful first thing in the morning without makeup! If it was just a man telling me that, I'd take it with a pinch of salt and wink it away. As to the second part of your question about breast augmentation - first off, why on earth will a man need a BOOB job? Why? Were you actually asking that as a valid question? To redirect to why women may have boob jobs, one reason is clinical, after a mastectomy and I hope you can forgive a cancer survivor of that 'vanity' please. Secondly, I find - and I stand to be corrected - that women who are plastic surgery focused have other issues other than the plastic surgery itself - self-esteem, body dismorphism etc. And some vain men actually push and pay for their little plastic dolls to get pumped up with more plastic! I am really sorry, my intent is not to be sarcastic, but it takes a lot more than the need to be beautiful to go under the knife. And I do know men who shoot up botox onto their forheads like they are doling out candies, go under the knive to get rid of their love handles, mid-life bulge, double chin etc - yes - Men! Rather than getting off their lazy behinds and hitting the gym and eating healthy. Most healthy and secure men want a healthy and secure natural woman any day....and they both embrace the natural.
 

Liv.

Speed~

You make two points:

#1 - The male gender is a physically more attractive form than the female.  In general terms I might tend to agree with you, especially when speaking of the animal kingdom.  And I will even agree with you that a youthful man may enjoy beautiful skin, silky hair and thicker, longer eyelashes than a woman…..but physically there is not much comparison in the overall beauty of the form.  Simply look at the art world, inarguably experts on visual beauty….and you will notice that it is the female form that has captivated the world’s attention and admiration for centuries.  And speaking as a woman who has seen more than a few naked middle- age or older men…..their beauty does not last.  For even if the man remains healthy and in shape….his form becomes coarse, while even well into her eighties a woman will retain milky and soft skin…..especially her breasts, loins, thighs and hips.

#2 – A young, physically attractive man that has accumulated a million dollars is the ‘most’ attractive, "in demand", of the males.  While this may be true in the case of the female that lusts for the things money can procure, it is generally not the attribute the majority of women seek.  The majority of women are satisfied with enough money to ensure safety and security.  The paramount characteristic that makes him the ‘most’ attractive male…..is how he makes her feel when she is with him.   If his demeanor is that she should be grateful for every breath she takes because she is allowed to be in his presence….he will be unattractive, regardless of his vast wealth.