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Posted on Thu, Oct 17, 2013 06:06

It's not money that drives our world, it's Energy, and more precisely "net" Energy, or Energy available to society.

 

As Charles A. S. Hall puts it:

 

Think of a society dependent upon one resource: oil.

 

If the net energy ratio for this oil was 1.1 to 1 then one could pump the oil out of the ground and look at it—and that’s it. It would be an energy loss to do anything else with it.

 

If it were 1.2 to 1 you could refine it into diesel fuel, and at 1.3 to 1 you could distribute it to where you want to use it.

 

If you actually want to run a truck with it, you must have a ratio of at least 3 to 1 (at the wellhead) to build and maintain the truck, as well as the necessary roads and bridges (including depreciation).

 

If additionally you wanted to put something in the truck and deliver it, that would require a ratio of, say, 5 to 1.

 

Now say you wanted to include depreciation on the oil field worker, the refinery worker, the truck driver, and the farmer; you would need a ratio of 7 to 1 or 8 to 1.

 

If their children were to be educated you would need perhaps 9 to 1 or 10 to 1, to have health care 12 to 1, to have arts in their lives maybe 14 to 1, and so on.

 

When oil was originally discovered, it took on average one barrel of oil to find, extract, and process about 100 barrels of oil.

 

That ratio has declined steadily over the last century. How much do you think the net energy ratio is nowadays?



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Posted on Sat, Oct 26, 2013 19:36

Energy drives the world alright and natural gas is energy's future.



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Posted on Thu, Oct 17, 2013 23:30

Industry,politics,and availability are pushing natural gas for generak energy needs, and that market may not be far away. It is a fuming gas , and i think, has more energy value than gasoline, and has an energy ratio lower than traditional fuel. I have seen water split into Hydrogen, and oxygen, and vacuumed to the pistons to add a further boost to the output and/or lessoning gasoline cosumption of a car as the car was operating-on the fly. This same concept can create heat for homes, and there are some improving prototypes. The energy ratio is is lower on those. so many alternate energy sourses are being manipulated to squeeze the cost down. Battery-electric motor auto's  is being perfected in the research labs of automakers, and this is a factor that lowers energy ratios. There are already electric fill stations at crackerbarrels in Tennesee for fast charges.

At present,the majority of fuel users are seeinga premium with energy costs with the slow growth markets,  the fluxuations on the comodities markets due to volitile events, and there is gouging in place. One Shell station may be 30 cents cheaper than one across town.This increases the energy ratio for some individuals. The smart market will create networks for natural gas in an auto setting, It has a cheaper energy ratio to output BTU's, burns clean,and will create more demand for distribution related logistics. 



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