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Posted on Sun, Dec 30, 2012 07:09

So recently on the news there has been reports of a medical student in India who was beaten, gang raped and thrown out of a moving bus. Unfortunately she has died and her funeral was today. There have been mass protests in India over this horrific event. Apparently thousands of women are raped /attacked over there each year. They are calling on their government to do something to protect women.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This whole thing has surprised me as my image of India was that the people were very family orientated. So I was thinking  they would have a good set of moral values. However, there seems to be a disturbing undertone in their society whereby young men are attacking women in this way.  Why I wonder?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

They have arrested people for her murder who face the death penalty if convicted.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Its just been one of these stories that has really jumped out. That poor girl. She could have been a doctor and trashy scum stole her life. Just amazes me how can something like that happen on a bus? The bus driver? Other passengers? If I ruled the country it would be blow torch and pliers for those guys involved.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted on Sat, Jan 12, 2013 13:13

I think paedophiles should be locked up for life and much longer sentences for rapists. I think in cases where it has been a brutal attack they should also be locked up life. How awful it must be for victims ito find out their attacker has been released.

 

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Posted on Fri, Jan 11, 2013 11:26

Dakota, yeah I get your point..and imagine that there are cultures (still today!) where a 90 year old gets "married" to a 15 year old in Saudi Arabia (read about it the other day)..and that is legal!

 

There is some kind of a scale to what kind of different offenders we are referring to...but nevertheless, these are individuals...and you know I always talk about CHARACTER..these are people who have some serious problems with their charachter, psychology meter, values etc etc...obviously something is off the charts in either of them..so the scale is only a measurement tool...but according to me they are some what connected...some kind of internal system connections strings...just playing different tunes on the same "off the humanity charts" instrument of violation of others sanctety, happiness and life.


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Posted on Fri, Jan 11, 2013 07:47

Quoting Dakota35:

That's when we go to plan B.  We introduce these people to "Yello Mama", if you don't know that's the name given to the electric chair in Alabama.  Now tell me that wouldn't fix the problem. :)


YELLO MAMA? I think in Texas we called er "Old Smokey"... 

 

For me.... I am more for "death" than castration... (due to not being able to FIX THE MIND!)

 

Sounds awful I know!! But if we can't harbor these individuals in prison for LIFE.. I say just delete them from society... :((( 

 

I'm not a huge advocate of death penalty..... esp since we have many innocent behind bars for years now due to lack of DNA testing long ago... 

 

BUT.... I am definitely FOR LIFE PRISON on any "real" child molestor... (Not an 18 YO with a 16 YO..) But a CHILD MOLESTOR.. LIFE IN PRISON.. NO QUESTIONS ASKED!!



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Posted on Thu, Jan 10, 2013 17:14

Quoting Hoping4Love2000:

LMAO!!! @ JEN.... I think I might have a couple of dull knives to loan!!

 

The worry is this, in an all serious manner here.. 

 

OUR ANGER toward these perps need not outweigh THEIR REALITY...

 

MOLESTATION, RAPE etc.. stems from the mind, not the body part... 

 

If you don't remove the desire from the MIND... yet you take away their body part, they will only grow angrier and more violent.. It's just fact! Ask any detective ever working sexual crimes. Men who have "issues" with their body part, use other, more brutal objects, like the end of a BAT or BOTTLES, etc... Impotent men are more violent in their crimes! 

 

This "Chemical Casteration" will hopefully work and difuse the desire from the MIND, B/C taking away the organ itself is not a detourant and will only fuel anger.

 

***Gets my drill powered up! I'm ready to perform lobotomies!! ;) 



That's when we go to plan B.  We introduce these people to "Yello Mama", if you don't know that's the name given to the electric chair in Alabama.  Now tell me that wouldn't fix the problem. :)



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Posted on Wed, Jan 09, 2013 19:37

  @ Liv,I could only read up on Operation Yew Tree,thank you Wiki [I donate to them]. 40 years of being a child molester/rapist with almost 600 victims.The one that really revolts me is the little girl with brain damage.When someone portrays themselves to be as loving and kind to childern as he was should be a BIG caution sign and watched/not left alone.Anyone who truly is that kind and loving would understand the concern and welcome someone being there,IMHO.

 

 

 

  Maybe you folks over there could take a page out of American history.Our first F.B.I. director,J.Edger Hoover had his agents spy on the big people in power over here.No agents new what any others were doing,just J. Edger had all the pieces.He got his way through quite blackmail.With baby rapers being so high up there,they,the discission makers,have the most to lose.Get the dirt on them and dam breaking any laws doing it.

 

 

 

  @ All,A WW2 veteran friend whos no longer with us shared a story about a child rapist during the great depression when thousands just wondered the country trying th stay alive.The town went to the shach he stayed in and nailed his dick to the kitchen table,threw a butter knife on the floor and lit the shack on fire.The rapist never came out.

 

 

 

  If only some things could remain so simple.



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Posted on Wed, Jan 09, 2013 06:45

Quoting Jenkneee:

I think both chemical and physical castration should happen. Physically should be done with a dull knife, have the abuser feel some pain and terror.


LMAO!!! @ JEN.... I think I might have a couple of dull knives to loan!!

 

The worry is this, in an all serious manner here.. 

 

OUR ANGER toward these perps need not outweigh THEIR REALITY...

 

MOLESTATION, RAPE etc.. stems from the mind, not the body part... 

 

If you don't remove the desire from the MIND... yet you take away their body part, they will only grow angrier and more violent.. It's just fact! Ask any detective ever working sexual crimes. Men who have "issues" with their body part, use other, more brutal objects, like the end of a BAT or BOTTLES, etc... Impotent men are more violent in their crimes! 

 

This "Chemical Casteration" will hopefully work and difuse the desire from the MIND, B/C taking away the organ itself is not a detourant and will only fuel anger.

 

***Gets my drill powered up! I'm ready to perform lobotomies!! ;) 


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Posted on Tue, Jan 08, 2013 14:12

Quoting worldmind:

Mr D, im sensing some kind of "release of the beast" moment in you on this...or maybe its hapoened after 00:00 new year hahaha...oh well...i dont believe in violence and I believe this person will have very nasty karma fees to pay...but even I can get similar human reactive notions as some of your examples...when it comes to such hurting of the innocent..especially children...there..the absolute limit is reached according to me. Furthermore...WHATS GOING ON WITH CENTURION SENTENCING!!! We are paying for such criminals to eat drink and laugh after they molested or/and killed not only a member of, but actually the entire society..per say.



No, it's not violence...it's preventing future violence.  Also, have you heard of these sick bastards..NAMBLA.  This is where freedom of speech should be limited as it is condoning/promoting criminal activity. 

  

There is a huge double standard of punishment when attractive women (teachers come to mind) sleep with underage teen boys.  The punishment should be equal for equal crimes. i.e. male or female  Furthermore, I can see why the punishment for a adult sleeping with a 17 year old consensually (NO I don't condone this) would be less than some sicko with a 8 year old. 

 

Also, in the US...are not all registered sex offenders listed the same without distinction?  What I mean is, If a man is convicted of raping his wife, isn't he on the same list as a convicted child molester?  I'm asking as I think that is correct but not sure.  To me there should be a distinction or at least a clarification to the public.  After all we need to know who is most in danger when one of these guys move into the neighborhood.

 

We also must be careful as so many men are accused of this type of crime when in fact they are innocent.

 

 



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Posted on Tue, Jan 08, 2013 01:28

Mr D, im sensing some kind of "release of the beast" moment in you on this...or maybe its hapoened after 00:00 new year hahaha...oh well...i dont believe in violence and I believe this person will have very nasty karma fees to pay...but even I can get similar human reactive notions as some of your examples...when it comes to such hurting of the innocent..especially children...there..the absolute limit is reached according to me. Furthermore...WHATS GOING ON WITH CENTURION SENTENCING!!! We are paying for such criminals to eat drink and laugh after they molested or/and killed not only a member of, but actually the entire society..per say.


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Posted on Tue, Jan 08, 2013 00:37

Quoting Dakota35:

Chemo, hell.  I've got some bands that I use for goats.  Or a sharp knife will do.



I think both chemical and physical castration should happen. Physically should be done with a dull knife, have the abuser feel some pain and terror.



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Posted on Mon, Jan 07, 2013 20:39

Quoting worldmind:

A repeat sex offender is set to undergo chemical castration for the first time in South Korea.

Chemical castration is the administration of medication designed to reduce libido and sexual activity. Unlike surgical castration, where the testicles or sterilization.

Chemical castration is generally considered reversible when treatment is discontinued, although permanent effects in body chemistry can sometimes be seen, as in the case of bone density loss increasing with length of use of Depo Provera. Chemical castration has, from time to time, been used as an instrument of public and/or judicial policy despite concerns over human rights and possible side effects.

 



Chemo, hell.  I've got some bands that I use for goats.  Or a sharp knife will do.



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Posted on Mon, Jan 07, 2013 10:17

Quoting MissMonteCarlo:

It must be tough Liv to deal with such cases, especially seeing the corruption and loop holes of the justice system preventing the protection of such children.

 

 

 

Sarah

 

 



Oh Sarah, I can assure you it is hard going and the corruption makes it even harder.

But we have to keep going at it. I typically sleep an average of 3-4 hours per night as these cases just keep coming in. What I have observed is the higher the ranking of the judge, the more likely the children are going to be put at risk of harm. Quite ironic!

 

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Posted on Mon, Jan 07, 2013 10:01

Quoting Dakota35:

Here's how to fix the problem.  Fix them (bobbitize them).  If that punishment is to lenient for the crime, then execute (kill) them without delay.  People that commit such a crime should be removed from existence permanently.



I am right there with you DAK! A US judge Paul King, sentenced a convicted paedophile who thought his crimes were a joke to 576 years in prison. Worth every century he got! In the UK we mollycoddle them - we are not even allowed to give them befitting sentences let alone kill them! Pathetic!!

 

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Posted on Sat, Jan 05, 2013 17:42

Very sad indeed... :( ... (and I have so tried to avoid this topic.. Yes Sweet SARAH.. It is important, but yet another issue turning the worlds stomach to vomit!) 

 

As someone who has been "in the know" both personally as well as assisted others in recovery for such heinous acts, I can state this... 

 

RAPE, in itself, although it is a "sexual act"....  derives from a much deeper level.. 

 

RAPE has more to do with POWER and AGRESSION than it does about sex. SEX is merely the "outlet" the man (or men utilize) in order to gain that "power" (control) over a woman. When men rape in flocks, it is akin to a feeding frenzy. It would appear there is always the "alpha male" who holds the highest dominance and others follow suit. Very sad and very sick... 

 

My issue with "normal casteration" is this... 

 

SEX is in our "minds," not our body part. In fact, everything stems from our thought process.. The fact we are "released" from our private area is not the full front. Many rapist out there cannot "finish" and many cannot even begin, thereby utilizing other methods of control over the woman. (I think I am going to be sick... )

 

IE: WHY does a man who has "issues" decide to take a blue pill to "work" properly... Well, B/C, he STILL thinks of sex, even thugh he can't function wihtout assistance. (Hence, the BILLIONS spent each year on Viagra and Cialis) 

 

So my question would be...

 

If we "normal castrate" men who are pedophiles and rapist, is this an affective measure to take, or might it make the sick individuals even MORE ANGRY which is what all doctors say is the main cause stemming rape to begin with. Might we make the issue worse by enraging them further? 

 

If something is in a man's mind, there is no stopping him unless you alter the mind state causing the frustration or confusion or anger.. We must get to the source of the matter before we can "fix" the issue. 

 

If you take a gun away from a killer.. might he just decide to blow up a building instead? 

 

WORLD... This CHEMICAL WAY of castration will be quite the experiment.. Is this an often used mechanism in the past? I had not heard of it, but if it reduced their "thoughts," we may be on to something here... 

 

LIV.... This heinous violence is spread world-wide for sure... I had no idea of the "wealthy" and the crimes, but it isn't shocking! (Another sad fact!) The other sad fact is youand I have discussed how soooo many rpaes etc.. have occured and NO ONE EVER TELLS!! The stats on rape could be a little low to VERY LOW in this matter, yet we will never know the truth. 

 

Oh Ladies.. This is so disheartening.. 

 

FRANCIE.... I think these issues occur everywhere and I feel like the punishment itself is not a steadfast detourant.. It's kind of like this for me... PRISON doesn't detour criminals, esp when 3/4 of the criminals are better cared for in prison.. Food, clothing, shelter, medical care etc.. (Not sure how it is in other countries mind you, but here in the states this holds true.) 

 

Just very sad here... :( 

 

HI FISHY, don't want to talk anymore right now about it, but you are a sweetheart of a guy and we women feel very comforted to have a great guy on our side! :) I don't know that I could handle the book you wrote of. 

 

Rape in India 2011.. For the amount of people, it appears really low... BUT.. I wnder how many, as LIV pointed out ARE NEVER HEARD OF due to being paid off!! SICK!!!!


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Posted on Sat, Jan 05, 2013 14:18

A repeat sex offender is set to undergo chemical castration for the first time in South Korea.

Chemical castration is the administration of medication designed to reduce libido and sexual activity. Unlike surgical castration, where the testicles or sterilization.

Chemical castration is generally considered reversible when treatment is discontinued, although permanent effects in body chemistry can sometimes be seen, as in the case of bone density loss increasing with length of use of Depo Provera. Chemical castration has, from time to time, been used as an instrument of public and/or judicial policy despite concerns over human rights and possible side effects.

 


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Posted on Sat, Jan 05, 2013 03:26

Sarah, I must say this is not an all too pleasent subject to be discussing...as its truly sad...but thank you for noticing and sharing your thoughts and concern.

Offourse rape and sexual abuse is as widely spread as there are humans living on this planet and maybe beyond...maybe it is also done in the animal kingdom as far as one can imagine..however..there are many reasons to by whom, when, where and why other than evilness offcourse.

In India, there is a huuuuge amount of people, and maybe in comparison to the rest of the world, the amount of rapes would be even or even less per capita..I dont know...as I think, that rape figures allover the world are manipulated/inaccurate, as many either do not report such, or the figures are manipulated...there are spots in the world where the inhabitant count is unsure..and offcourse just for officialities sake countries just put out a figure.

 

Now, having travelled alot, also in India, I can say this, there is generally a very strong family bond and strong belief systems surrounding indians and especially women. Women are in many areas very respected to the fact that men do not even dare talk, look at or even think of a woman! There are cultural rules of men and womens co-existence etc..so..maybe it might create a "boxing effect" for mens sexual flow..I can only speculate...many men..get on buses and gather in huge groups to go to beachareas in India where they can even get a view of a naked woman ie in bikini and usually those are Westerner white females. To these villagers indians, this site is UNBELIEVABLE!..hence they get a sense of a woman maybe not being as respectworthy as they might have been tought...just one angle of it offcourse...the mere idea of touching a woman is like in fiction books for many Indians..then they get married..many times prearranged....and supposed to be forever...to some odd hunger might be aching within them...whon knows...there is surely alot to tell and say on this..my point is that the cultural and religious parameters of Indians/hindus is very special in the sexual issue area.

 

So, rapes happen in many places by many people...one cannot say it happens by rich who can bribe the authority..as many times the rapes are conducted by the authority themselves...or just the surroundings of the girl...it is a matter of power..and many times, it is also conducted by poor men who might have come over alcohol for the first time or what not and they act out fantasies or what not..there are many angles..so the problem is about people not repsecting people..and as I am writing in my own A LFE - AS WE COULD KNOW IT, the value of life is treated differently...and as I might have already ementioned on here, India is going thru alot of changes, and one of them is a core issue, corruption, which have been protest-startled since some years back by an old Ghandish man called Ana...so I hope and think, despite international medias coverage of one or two rape cases, that in general India is cleaning house.

Somethings I read online;

The rape and murder of English teenager Scarlett Keeling, on 18 February 2008, brought international attention to cases of rape in India.

A Russian national working in India claimed that she was raped by a Goan politician on 1 December 2009 after having dinner with him that evening. Shantaram Naik, an MP of the Indian National Congress, occasioned widespread disapproval, when he said, "...an alleged rape of a lady who moves with strangers for days together even beyond middle of the night is to be treated on a different footing."Mamata Banerji stated that free interaction between men and women today has led to these crimes.

The gang rape of a 23-year-old student on a public bus, on 16 December 2012, sparked large protests across the capital Delhi. The incident was so severe that the victim's intestines had to be surgically removed, before her death thirteen days after the attack. She was with a male friend who was severely beaten with an iron rod during the incident. In the 24-hour period after the gang rape of the victim, at least two girls under the age of 18 were gang raped and one of them was murdered.

The following day, there was an uproar in the Indian parliament over the incident. MPs in both houses had set aside their regular business to discuss the gruesome rape case and demanded strict punishment for those who carried out the attack. Leader of the opposition in the Lok Sabha, Sushma Swaraj, demanded that "the rapists should be hanged".Thousands of people participated in a massive demonstration in 22 December, mostly young, in protest.

Police announced that six men suspected of rape had been arrested. As a result of this incident, the government has promised speedy trials in cases of violations. It will improve the lighting of roads and public transport and there will be more police patrols to ensure the safety of women.

In 2012 Bikram Singh Brahma was accused of raping a woman in the Chirang district of Assam. He was caught by villagers who heard the woman's screams. He was stripped of his shirt and beaten by locals and was suspended from The ruling Congress party.

There have been allegations of rape and mass rape in Jammu and Kashmir being carried out by both Indian armed forces and militant groups. In 1991, the 4 Rajputana Rifles unit are alleged to have entered the village of Kunan Poshpora and raped between 30 and 100 women aged between 13 and 70. The Indian government carried out three inquiries into the allegations and concluded that it had been a hoax. The International Commission of Jurists have stated that though the attacks had not been proven beyond a doubt, there was credible evidence that it had happened. In 2011, the State Human Rights Commission (SHRC) asked for the reopening of the case.

Groups such has Hizb-ul-Mujahideen, Jamiat-ul-Mujahideen and Harkat ul-Ansar have all been accused of carrying out rapes. The Jammu Kashmir Liberation Front have been accused of ethnic cleansing by using murder, arson and rape as a weapon of war to drive out hundreds of thousands of Hindu pandits from the region.


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Posted on Sat, Jan 05, 2013 00:30

Here's how to fix the problem.  Fix them (bobbitize them).  If that punishment is to lenient for the crime, then execute (kill) them without delay.  People that commit such a crime should be removed from existence permanently.



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Posted on Fri, Jan 04, 2013 13:42

It must be tough Liv to deal with such cases, especially seeing the corruption and loop holes of the justice system preventing the protection of such children.

 

 

 

Sarah

 

 



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Posted on Wed, Jan 02, 2013 20:05

Quoting fishyme:

  Sarah,There is a horrible horrible book call "Sold",I forget the authors name but it is written in the first person.The little mountain girl and her life as a child sex slave in India,it doesn't take much to really feel that child wrote the book,as was intended.

 

  I say horrible because THAT IS whats happening as I type and you read.I don't know facts to quote but I think India is THE leading nation on child sex slavery.If they have no respect for children then what kjnd of a chance will a grown up have?

 

  This book rips at your soul so anyone be fore warned.It was written to reach out to the world and you'll never forget it once you've read it


Sarah - Rape is rife in India. Mostly, it is the children of the wealthy that are responsible for these rapes. No one challenges them and no one prosecutes them. Their money bag parents simply pay off the Police and the case will go away. People know this, so they look the other way out of the window, whilst rape is going on right before their eyes on public transport. This time, they went too far and the people have now had enough. Having said this about India, rape is rife everywhere. Crime against women, children, gays, disabled, blacks or anyone who is perceived to be weaker or inferior is rife - sadly that is human nature.



Fishy - As for child sexual abuse, I hate to burst your bubble. India is a Kingpin player in an arena of very many Kingpins - the UK, USA, Australia, Thailand, France, Belgium, Sweden, South Africa, New Caledonia, Brazil, Mexico, Latin America are major players in physical child sexual abuse and image/non-contact child sexual abuse. The UK is known amongst people in the know as 'Paedophile Island' because of our ridiculously mild sentencing for child sexual abuse crimes. Heck, the UK even blocked the extradition of the American most wanted paedophile Shawn Sullivan and refused to hand him over for prosecution despite being convicted in Ireland for similar crimes whilst he went on the run. We also have a bizarre case law, where some paedophiles’ claimed their Human Right to family life was being hampered by their being registered as sex offenders and they won the case – which spelt CHILD RAPE for their children – but no one cared to challenge such a bizarre court ruling. A Dr. Helen Reece of the prestigious London School of Economics even advocates that the Home Secretary should change the law preventing paedophiles from adopting children! She wants innocent, defenceless, parentless babies to be handed over to convicted child rapists! That is the UK. You still India holds the No 1 position? Read about the Rochdale case in the UK or the children homes of Jersey, Wales and Rochdale. Another controversial case where the UK protected another paedophile was the case of Dr. Philip Boenhoffer – a world renowned Paediatric Cardiologist who was head of Cardiology at the world famous Great Ormond Street Children’s Hospital in London. Whilst the USA is very kind towards familial paedophiles, they are tougher on non-familial ones. In the countries I have mentioned above with perhaps the exception of Thailand, familial paedophiles often get custody of their children whom they had abused. Police investigations are rarely done and when they are done, they are so flawed that they do not lead to prosecution. The DA's Office or the Crown Prosecution Service pick and choose what case to prosecute. The paedophiles are very well-organised so much so that when they get arrested, they are often able to get one of theirs to oversee the investigation and suddenly vital evidence will start to disappear and get lost, and eventually when there is no prosecution it often ends up in the family court where they rules of the game shock the victims and their protectors into disbelief. They get their paedo or paedo sympathiser lawyers, and these people know how to line up the right judge to hear the case.



I had a case in the highest court where the Lord Justice admonished the mother in very strong terms that she lacked insight in trying to prove the abuse of her child in order that the child be protected from the paedophile father who was raping the little boy. His anger against this mother was that she lacked insight in what damage this could do to the father's access to the children if this abuse is proven. This woman caught her husband sexually molesting their young child, yet the Lord Justice was not concerned with the welfare of this child if given to the father, but was concerned about the father's welfare if the case is proven. That is very much the norm once these cases hit the courtroom - to protect themselves, they ban the children and their protective parent from speaking to anyone including the press and the proceedings are held in private. If they are caught speaking to anyone they get thrown in jail for contempt of court - Now this is not India - this is the United Kingdom!



Many women are in prison in the UK without the benefit of a proper trial for refusing to hand over their children to paedophiles for rape or attempting to reduce the frequency of the rapes by limiting overnight visits. Once the mothers end up in jail, the children are sent off to the rape house. Child abuse images are not made in a hurry by hurried strangers - they are made by people with access and control over those children.



We have caught a lot of powerful politicians and judges with their pants down! Yet the evil persists. It is an epidermic I work tirelessly to fight - but it is a hard, hard fight because the system is so infiltrated by paedophiles and the system never turns on itself. Watch the UK's Operation Yew Tree - let's wait and see what they can find beside dead policitians and celebrities! I once had to yell that dead paedos don't rape kids the living ones do, we want to see more arrest of the ones that are alive and still active. We have seen a few but they are the sacrificial lambs to hide the big wigs whose naming and shaming will collapse the UK as a country.

 

Paedophiles in these countries are learning the ropes very quickly – they know that if they can raise their own children – is it highly unlikely that they will ever be prosecuted! Sad statistics – 60-65% of child sexual abuse is perpetrated by the father or step-father. That is why paedophiles love single parents!


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Posted on Wed, Jan 02, 2013 16:50

Sarah,

In India it is very common to rape  of women, but this is definitely the straw that broke the camel. :(

I hope the punishment an example and mark a reflection point in India (and its side effects reach every country where women are raped and battered.

A constant struggle to end such acts of violence towards women and not to mention others who are raped and asecinadas by their own families.

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