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Posted on Sun, Jun 23, 2013 09:01

I am a member of a 'think tank' group [purely for leisure] that discusses, analyses and reviews a host of different topics/problems ranging from Nuclear Physics, conspiracy theories, to the Law.....yeah boring, I know. But we all get on like a house on fire and sometimes agree to disagree. Though it is a collection of extremely intelligent people, I noted that women are extremely under-represented in the group and I wondered why. Do ladies perhaps find these sort of topics too dull or boring? And does that make us a little less fun and attractive to the males? What could be the reason? I had no idea....but then last night, I was out on a girls' night out to get boozed up, but again, I only drink Coca Cola....boring, I know, LOL....and this topic came up......

 

Most were of the opinion that men were overly threatened by women who were extremely intelligent, wealthy/independent or both so women sometimes went out of their way not to appear to be too intelligent, successful etc. Others were of the opinion that most women were simply not as intelligent as men, and yet others stated that women can't be bothered about politics, history, Nuclear Physics etc.....

 

I do not agree with these assertions, yet I have no definitive opinion as to my observation, so my question really is: what do men really think?

 

Ladies, please feel free to respond and give us your perspective and share any applicable personal experiences.

 

Liv.



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Posted on Fri, Jul 12, 2013 15:24

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RMac,

 

Thanks for your interest. It would be nice if you joined and participated. Get my e-mail address from Hope and I'll send you all of the joining info. I don't think I am allowed to post such on here - don't want a smack down from Brittany, LOL!

 

The group mostly covers debunking of (sometimes) very astonishing issues and theories using scientific evidence, data and arguments where possible. It's just a gathering of sharp minds, dealing with mostly scientific topics and crazy theories and stuff like that, that bore most people to tears. But you are a scientist, so I have no doubt you will enjoy it and find it interesting. The guy who created it did it purely for leisure; and he is from an IT background like yourself but then we have people from all works of life from airline pilots to rocket scientists to ordinary people like me. He actually personally foots the bill of running the group, so may be a good idea to get the government to fund it but I am not a fan of most governments!

 

This morning whilst doing the school run, I was thinking about software development that could be used for quantitative automated payment system rather than the usual price-linked automated payment systems - I thought about you and wondered if you still tinker with software development and may be interested in this project?

 

Liv.

 

 



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Posted on Thu, Jul 11, 2013 20:28

This think tank stuff is interesting to me.  How does it work?  Is it in peson or an online thing?  How does one participate?

 

Not sure I would, but not sure I wouldn't as well. 

 

 

RMac

 

 



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Posted on Tue, Jul 09, 2013 06:58

Quoting Curious2078:

Hello, RealtorLulu
 
I did not realize until I checked your profile that you were not American born.
 
I want to offer you my sincere congratulations for coming as far as you have.  And I'm feeling quite sorry that you couldn't afford the education.  However, it would seem that you've overcome this obstacle beautifully.
 
I wish you allthe best in your endeavors.  You clearly deserve it.
 
Pat
 
P.S.:  I just hope you can find on here a man who CAN put two intelligent words together.  Yes, there are many good guys on here--but, it would seem, not many who can do that who are for real! 

 

Thanks Pat for the very nice words of encouragement. I have been in the states most of my life but there has been no formal education. I even learned the language on my own. For the first 3 months I was in Connecticut I watched game shows such as Password which required word and word association. I then surrounded myself with folks who only spoke English. This forced me to use it and improve as time went. Funny, I even think in English now. The only thing that I do in Spanish, weirdly enough, is count. 

When it comes to finding a man on here, I don't know if that's in the cards for me.  MM's men are not looking for women in their age bracket and those who would are too far and I cannot afford them. I have met several men in the last few months but there didn't seem to be any connection. Well, it's ok. I have plans to work on and the only way to achieve those plans is to concentrate. As much as I would love to have someone special in my life, I cannot sit and wait and I don't plan to be 70 and still be running around with clients showing them homes.

 

I will remain with MM so I can spend time with you guys once in a while.

 



Lulu in Dallas

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Posted on Tue, Jul 09, 2013 06:41

Quoting rmac22:

Lulu: -- happy to hear from you.  Missed you.

 

 

RMac

 



Hi Mac! I won't be around as much but think of you often.

 

Hugs



Lulu in Dallas

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Posted on Sat, Jul 06, 2013 17:20

Lulu: -- happy to hear from you.  Missed you.

 

 

RMac

 



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Posted on Sat, Jul 06, 2013 07:04

Quoting fishyme:

Hi Liv, Smart is good and those that I know and fish with that have higher intelligence sometimes crave talking with others on their level, almost like a shark feeding frenzy. Others are like a wet cardboard box of rocks and after a 2 month season fishing with them even I want to run. I'm happy falling squarely in the middle of the 2 groups.

 

 

 

The danger that I've noticed in SOME of the smart ones is that they are educated idiots with not a lick of common sence outside of being book smart. I think convenience stores were created to give many of them jobs at the till. That goes equally for men and women. Sharing interest in the same things and recognizing one or the other may not be up to par with your level on one thing or the other, they can still maintain enough intelligence to carry on a conversation.

 

 

 

As for the wealth issue, let me just say that not to many women are interested in spending 5 days under the roots of an old growth tree while its blowing 80mph and sheets of rain.Or tying yourself to the branches of a tree so brown bears don't drag you out of the tent at moose camp with dead moose hanging all around you.The misery is off set by the absolute beauty that of the almost 7 Billion people on the planet earth there are only a few of us doing it.Not being one much for city life, I don't have much to add on the wealth thing.



Fishy, you are in a lucky place - the inbetweeners!

 

They often have a healthy dose of common sense and intelligence. Well, that sure works for me. What is intelligence without common sense? When I was very young, I often heard my mother say "common sense is not common". Well, she was right. Common sense is often not in circulation as liberally as we'd hope.

 

And yes, there are those at the extreme end of the intelligence spectrum that are extremely intelligent in one thing and very book smart but devoid of common sense and knowledge of other aspects of life. In my humble opinion intelligence in a singular thing or field with no complementary knowledge of other crucial and important matters and topics in life is just as boring as unintelligent. Where does intelligence lead, when common sense is absent? The litmus test is when such a person finds his/herself out of his expert subject and away from his/her comfort zone - BOOM it goes! They become tongue-tied, timid, and extremely unappealing. Whilst we can't be experts in every field, a healthy broad knowledge of various subjects is what I call intelligent - not a one-way focused intense knowledge of one thing or book smartness.

Hey Fishy....that fishing trip ain't gonna happen this year, sorry. I've too much on my plate at the moment. Can we plan for next year please? Diana will be coming over to mine in June next year for the Royal Ascot horse racing meet and I will come over to Alaska in July for the fishing season - I could convince Diana to come along and everyone else here? How about that? Let's all go fishing with Fishy??? OK - sorry to digress, by I'm serious.

 

Liv.



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Posted on Sat, Jul 06, 2013 06:28

Quoting Curious2078:

Of course you have two different standards for friends as opposed to lovers/boyfriends.  We all should!!!

 

[An aside:  I thought Forrest Gump was the biggest crock of S**T going]

 

No way in heck can any of us, with all our sense in tact, tolerate a lover/boyfriend who is not as intelligent as we are.  The boredom would lead us into alcoholism for sure!!!

 

I have friends who are no where near as intelligent as I am.  I don't have to spend 24 or even 12 or even 6 hours a day with them.  I can be a good friend and move on.  Most of the time, such relationships are pretty well fixed.  Not so intelligent friend has a problem; very intelligent friend suggests solutions the not so intelligent friend never thought of. 

 

Whether or not you continue such friendships usually depends on whether or not the not so intelligent friend actually takes your advice and implements it.

 

The ones that never take your advice usually must be dropped or you'd go mad trying to "fix" them.

 

The thing is you can't think of all of this as "lowering standards" as if that's a bad thing.  It's not.  It's just life.  The way life works.  No one of a higher intellect wants/needs to spend pillow talk time communicating with someone who can't communicate with them on the same intellectual level.   No fault here.  None at all. 



Hey Pat,

 

I have missed you! Great to read from you!!

 

Boy, Pat did you nail that??? Thank you so much!

 

Liv.



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Posted on Thu, Jul 04, 2013 19:57

Hi Liv, Smart is good and those that I know and fish with that have higher intelligence sometimes crave talking with others on their level, almost like a shark feeding frenzy. Others are like a wet cardboard box of rocks and after a 2 month season fishing with them even I want to run. I'm happy falling squarely in the middle of the 2 groups.

 

 

 

The danger that I've noticed in SOME of the smart ones is that they are educated idiots with not a lick of common sence outside of being book smart. I think convenience stores were created to give many of them jobs at the till. That goes equally for men and women. Sharing interest in the same things and recognizing one or the other may not be up to par with your level on one thing or the other, they can still maintain enough intelligence to carry on a conversation.

 

 

 

As for the wealth issue, let me just say that not to many women are interested in spending 5 days under the roots of an old growth tree while its blowing 80mph and sheets of rain.Or tying yourself to the branches of a tree so brown bears don't drag you out of the tent at moose camp with dead moose hanging all around you.The misery is off set by the absolute beauty that of the almost 7 Billion people on the planet earth there are only a few of us doing it.Not being one much for city life, I don't have much to add on the wealth thing.


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Posted on Thu, Jul 04, 2013 17:40

Quoting RealtorLulu:

Interesting how the principle of the snowball has taken over this subject and shaped it into a totally separate issue.

 

I have had to take more time to deal with my business which has kept me from the blogs and my family of bloggers. Liv, Dakota, Mac, I have missed you! I also welcome the newcomers like Speed and 1st2nd3rd.

 

My side on this, I have the brains but was not able to afford the education. My plan was to study engineering. Love bridges! But as much as I liked studying, I ended up quitting high school to go to work to help support my very large family for several months after my father was injured at work. Once he was able to return to work I left the island and came to the US and had to learn the language on my own. I do feel satisfaction and pride in this fact.

 

English being a second language for me also keeps me from being able to express my thoughts in a way that could compete with the more "educated" group. I do love reading your posts. I always manage to learn something.

 

Getting back to the original subject, I prefer to be with someone who can challenge me intellectually. That doesn't mean that he must be a rocket scientist. I also agree with Dakota. Listening and watching is key. There is something to be learned from everyone even those who’s IQs don’t measure up. The way people conduct themselves can sometimes be much more appealing than their intelligence or academic accomplishments.

 

I joined MM because I got tired of men who couldn't put two intelligent words together and although I have been contacted by some very nice guys, I’ve stayed because the best communication comes from you all.

 

Hugs!



Hello, RealtorLulu

 

I did not realize until I checked your profile that you were not American born.

 

I want to offer you my sincere congratulations for coming as far as you have.  And I'm feeling quite sorry that you couldn't afford the education.  However, it would seem that you've overcome this obstacle beautifully.

 

I wish you allthe best in your endeavors.  You clearly deserve it.

 

Pat

 

P.S.:  I just hope you can find on here a man who CAN put two intelligent words together.  Yes, there are many good guys on here--but, it would seem, not many who can do that who are for real! 



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Posted on Thu, Jul 04, 2013 17:31

Quoting Livnlov:

Lulu,

You are an amazing person and one that I admire deeply! I completely agree with everything you've written. I get bored with unintelligent men - they just bore me to tears!

 

However, I have friends whom I love dearly and from whom I learn something different irrespective of their levels of intelligence. This is because I believe that everyone has something unique and positive to offer. I have often times been pulled aside by some people who would ask me "why are you friends with such and such person?". Those questions not only annoy me, but expose how often myopic and stereotypical the human mind is. So somewhere in the minds, there are boxes and categories of people we should be friends with and those we should never be caught mingling with - I just hate the sound/thought of it. In fact I think I probably deliberately subconsciously go out of my way to befriend the ones no one wants to befriend - the underdogs.

 

As a result, I have friends from one end of the intelligence spectrum to the other far end; as well as from one end of the socio-economic spectrum to the other. So I have friends who are MPs, CEOs, Professors, Bomb Scientists, Brainaics, Janitors, Careworkers, Locksmiths etc - Christians, Muslims, Atheists and anything inbetween and my critics think I am crazy, but I don't really care. Everyone is special and unique.

 

The only trouble I have is, whilst I can have a non-intelligent person as a dear friend and fight for them with my life if need be, I just can't translate that into an intimate relationship - I derive no sense of joy from dating an unintelligent person - I get bored! I've tried it, but it was an utter disaster, LOL! It is quite possible that I view friends very differently from a potential life partner, so I lower my standard for my friends but I am a little less compromising in choosing whom I potentially live the rest of my life with. Possibly.

 

Lulu, thanks for sharing your thoughts and your story! It is very inspirational indeed.

Liv.



Of course you have two different standards for friends as opposed to lovers/boyfriends.  We all should!!!

 

[An aside:  I thought Forrest Gump was the biggest crock of S**T going]

 

No way in heck can any of us, with all our sense in tact, tolerate a lover/boyfriend who is not as intelligent as we are.  The boredom would lead us into alcoholism for sure!!!

 

I have friends who are no where near as intelligent as I am.  I don't have to spend 24 or even 12 or even 6 hours a day with them.  I can be a good friend and move on.  Most of the time, such relationships are pretty well fixed.  Not so intelligent friend has a problem; very intelligent friend suggests solutions the not so intelligent friend never thought of. 

 

Whether or not you continue such friendships usually depends on whether or not the not so intelligent friend actually takes your advice and implements it.

 

The ones that never take your advice usually must be dropped or you'd go mad trying to "fix" them.

 

The thing is you can't think of all of this as "lowering standards" as if that's a bad thing.  It's not.  It's just life.  The way life works.  No one of a higher intellect wants/needs to spend pillow talk time communicating with someone who can't communicate with them on the same intellectual level.   No fault here.  None at all. 



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Posted on Tue, Jul 02, 2013 04:53

Quoting RealtorLulu:

Interesting how the principle of the snowball has taken over this subject and shaped it into a totally separate issue.

 

I have had to take more time to deal with my business which has kept me from the blogs and my family of bloggers. Liv, Dakota, Mac, I have missed you! I also welcome the newcomers like Speed and 1st2nd3rd.

 

My side on this, I have the brains but was not able to afford the education. My plan was to study engineering. Love bridges! But as much as I liked studying, I ended up quitting high school to go to work to help support my very large family for several months after my father was injured at work. Once he was able to return to work I left the island and came to the US and had to learn the language on my own. I do feel satisfaction and pride in this fact.

 

English being a second language for me also keeps me from being able to express my thoughts in a way that could compete with the more "educated" group. I do love reading your posts. I always manage to learn something.

 

Getting back to the original subject, I prefer to be with someone who can challenge me intellectually. That doesn't mean that he must be a rocket scientist. I also agree with Dakota. Listening and watching is key. There is something to be learned from everyone even those who’s IQs don’t measure up. The way people conduct themselves can sometimes be much more appealing than their intelligence or academic accomplishments.

 

I joined MM because I got tired of men who couldn't put two intelligent words together and although I have been contacted by some very nice guys, I’ve stayed because the best communication comes from you all.

 

Hugs!


Lulu,

You are an amazing person and one that I admire deeply! I completely agree with everything you've written. I get bored with unintelligent men - they just bore me to tears!

 

However, I have friends whom I love dearly and from whom I learn something different irrespective of their levels of intelligence. This is because I believe that everyone has something unique and positive to offer. I have often times been pulled aside by some people who would ask me "why are you friends with such and such person?". Those questions not only annoy me, but expose how often myopic and stereotypical the human mind is. So somewhere in the minds, there are boxes and categories of people we should be friends with and those we should never be caught mingling with - I just hate the sound/thought of it. In fact I think I probably deliberately subconsciously go out of my way to befriend the ones no one wants to befriend - the underdogs.

 

As a result, I have friends from one end of the intelligence spectrum to the other far end; as well as from one end of the socio-economic spectrum to the other. So I have friends who are MPs, CEOs, Professors, Bomb Scientists, Brainaics, Janitors, Careworkers, Locksmiths etc - Christians, Muslims, Atheists and anything inbetween and my critics think I am crazy, but I don't really care. Everyone is special and unique.

 

The only trouble I have is, whilst I can have a non-intelligent person as a dear friend and fight for them with my life if need be, I just can't translate that into an intimate relationship - I derive no sense of joy from dating an unintelligent person - I get bored! I've tried it, but it was an utter disaster, LOL! It is quite possible that I view friends very differently from a potential life partner, so I lower my standard for my friends but I am a little less compromising in choosing whom I potentially live the rest of my life with. Possibly.

 

Lulu, thanks for sharing your thoughts and your story! It is very inspirational indeed.

Liv.



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Posted on Tue, Jul 02, 2013 04:44

Quoting Orlando__:

I need to figure out how to be more crazy and eccentric.  I'm obviously didn't read the professor standard operating procedures manual.  Drats.  I hate when that happens.

 

 



My dearest Orlando!

 

You want to be more eccentric? Ahhhhh.....nahhhhh. Don't! That would only attract the crazies to you. Do you wanna date crazies??? I don't think so.

 

I think you are just fine as you are - in fact perfect! Don't change a thing, please.

 

Liv.



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Posted on Tue, Jul 02, 2013 04:39

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Hi Liv – Of course we are still friends. 

 

Still pursuing the same theme, I found it terribly confining when I left teaching at a University and had to conform to the usual company work restrictions.  Stuff that once you get used to it you don’t even notice.  But, I did notice and mentioned my frustration to one of my friends, a fellow expat from the halls of academia.  I was shocked at the vehemence with which he agreed.   

 

After some twenty years of that madness, I went to work at a firm that developed software applications.  Mostly for the government, but in truth for anyone that had the bucks to pay for it. 

 

After a few weeks on the job the COO of the company dropped by my office and said, “Lose the tie.”  While I was mulling that over, he said, “While you’re at it lose the jacket.”

 

I absolutely loved being a software developer.    

 

 

RMac

 



Hi RMac,

 

Thanks for your comments. Really nice. The conforming bit did strike a cord with me. When I was a lot younger and worked for multinationals like Shell, Unilever etc, I was OK with conforming a bit, but I was always a non-confirmist at heart.  My non-confirmist bit took centre stage as I grew older, climbed higher on the corporate ladder, and eventually ran my own businesses. I just don't like the 9 - 5 routine where everyone heads in and heads out at certain times like a herd.

 

Engineers generally don't do well with these office routines; and shirt&tie and jackets business aren't their forte. There is a lot of sexiness in that, if you ask me, even though the suits have their own distinctive appeal. So I like your then COO! Way to go.

 

Liv.



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Posted on Mon, Jul 01, 2013 08:30

Interesting how the principle of the snowball has taken over this subject and shaped it into a totally separate issue.

 

I have had to take more time to deal with my business which has kept me from the blogs and my family of bloggers. Liv, Dakota, Mac, I have missed you! I also welcome the newcomers like Speed and 1st2nd3rd.

 

My side on this, I have the brains but was not able to afford the education. My plan was to study engineering. Love bridges! But as much as I liked studying, I ended up quitting high school to go to work to help support my very large family for several months after my father was injured at work. Once he was able to return to work I left the island and came to the US and had to learn the language on my own. I do feel satisfaction and pride in this fact.

 

English being a second language for me also keeps me from being able to express my thoughts in a way that could compete with the more "educated" group. I do love reading your posts. I always manage to learn something.

 

Getting back to the original subject, I prefer to be with someone who can challenge me intellectually. That doesn't mean that he must be a rocket scientist. I also agree with Dakota. Listening and watching is key. There is something to be learned from everyone even those who’s IQs don’t measure up. The way people conduct themselves can sometimes be much more appealing than their intelligence or academic accomplishments.

 

I joined MM because I got tired of men who couldn't put two intelligent words together and although I have been contacted by some very nice guys, I’ve stayed because the best communication comes from you all.

 

Hugs!



Lulu in Dallas

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Posted on Sat, Jun 29, 2013 05:32

Quoting Orlando__:

I need to figure out how to be more crazy and eccentric.  I'm obviously didn't read the professor standard operating procedures manual.  Drats.  I hate when that happens.

 

 


With no insult or malice intended, I expect you are already as eccentric as you need to be.  I will add with no evidence either. 


 

Almost everyone is when they have the freedom to be so.  Most universities provide that freedom.  People there are allowed their little idiosyncrasies.  No one minds.  

 

Examples of this principle abound as well in people who have achieved indispensable skills or who own the company.  In that example others may well mind, but can’t do a blasted thing about it.  Or if they can do something about it, it is in their best interest not to.   


 

One example I remember is a person who wore Turtle Neck Shirts and Levi Jeans in an environment of well-tailored suits and ties.  He could get away with it because he was worth more to the company than the CEO. 


 

I spent a little time working in the research branch of a company infamous for its strict dress code.  The people who worked in the reseach department went out of their way to dress in ways that would ruffle the feathers of the company brass.  Why, because they could.  The company had learned long ago that eliminating all the “crazy” people in the research department also eliminated most of their best people, 

 

Well, enough on all that.

 

 

RMac 

 

 



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Posted on Fri, Jun 28, 2013 22:31

Quoting Livnlov:

Yep, I get your points. A little eccentricity is to be expected of a Professor....but I guess it is the degree of it that determines how crazy it gets. And I completely agree most people think they are normal.......my crazy professor certainly does not believe there is anything wrong with him, and I would not hurt him by telling him about the very many crazy stuff if he doesn't see them himself and doesn't ask - that would just be mean and I couldn't be that mean to him, LOL!


 

 

I need to figure out how to be more crazy and eccentric.  I'm obviously didn't read the professor standard operating procedures manual.  Drats.  I hate when that happens.



**My top strength is"learning." So, my blogs are learning-focused. ~Orlando

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Posted on Thu, Jun 27, 2013 17:04

Quoting Livnlov:

RMac,

 

I know I was courting trouble and was about to lose half of my friends by posting that....but because I can sometimes be irresistibly self-destructive, I posted it anyway...LOL!!! Now, I am thinking, yikes!!! Biting my tongue...oh, I mean biting my typing fingers!! LOL.

 

Yep, I get your points. A little eccentricity is to be expected of a Professor....but I guess it is the degree of it that determines how crazy it gets. And I completely agree most people think they are normal.......my crazy professor certainly does not believe there is anything wrong with him, and I would not hurt him by telling him about the very many crazy stuff if he doesn't see them himself and doesn't ask - that would just be mean and I couldn't be that mean to him, LOL!

 

But thanks a lot for sharing your perspective. Are we still friends, though? LOL, :-)!!!

 

Liv



Hi Liv – Of course we are still friends. 

 

Still pursuing the same theme, I found it terribly confining when I left teaching at a University and had to conform to the usual company work restrictions.  Stuff that once you get used to it you don’t even notice.  But, I did notice and mentioned my frustration to one of my friends, a fellow expat from the halls of academia.  I was shocked at the vehemence with which he agreed.   

 

After some twenty years of that madness, I went to work at a firm that developed software applications.  Mostly for the government, but in truth for anyone that had the bucks to pay for it. 

 

After a few weeks on the job the COO of the company dropped by my office and said, “Lose the tie.”  While I was mulling that over, he said, “While you’re at it lose the jacket.”

 

I absolutely loved being a software developer.    

 

 

RMac

 



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Posted on Thu, Jun 27, 2013 14:05

Quoting rmac22:

Liv, your comment --

 

“ Tell you what, most professors are crazy, with the exception of our Orlando, of course! I dated one and sure enough he had huge emotional baggage that even polite, patient and insufferable me couldn't deal with. I ran straight for the hills, but I was so sorry I didn't want to hurt him, I didn't even know how to break up with him. But it had to be done for my sanity...phew! “

 

I was a professor once.  Only a little bit crazy.  I prefer to call it eccentric.  One of the things I miss now in the so called real world.  We are expected to be normal.  Worse yet, most everyone thinks they personally are normal, what’s up with that. 

 

At the university we were expected to be at least a little eccentric.  After all, one of the fundamental requirements, and most treasured freedoms.

 

The students would have been disappointed otherwise. 

 

 

RMac

 

 

 



RMac,

 

I know I was courting trouble and was about to lose half of my friends by posting that....but because I can sometimes be irresistibly self-destructive, I posted it anyway...LOL!!! Now, I am thinking, yikes!!! Biting my tongue...oh, I mean biting my typing fingers!! LOL.

 

Yep, I get your points. A little eccentricity is to be expected of a Professor....but I guess it is the degree of it that determines how crazy it gets. And I completely agree most people think they are normal.......my crazy professor certainly does not believe there is anything wrong with him, and I would not hurt him by telling him about the very many crazy stuff if he doesn't see them himself and doesn't ask - that would just be mean and I couldn't be that mean to him, LOL!

 

But thanks a lot for sharing your perspective. Are we still friends, though? LOL, :-)!!!

 

Liv



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I like women.  I especially like intelligent women. 

 

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