One poet wrote: "Wheter you come from heaven or hell, what does it matter, O Beauty!" The other poet said: "What Beauty is? Is it a bowl or flame flickering in a bowl?"
What is really more important to you, the form or content? Any beauty is goodness?
One poet wrote: "Wheter you come from heaven or hell, what does it matter, O Beauty!" The other poet said: "What Beauty is? Is it a bowl or flame flickering in a bowl?"
What is really more important to you, the form or content? Any beauty is goodness?
For me the the quality of the content is far more important than "the form".
There are better things in this world than good looks, e.g. candour, generosity, moral attractiveness, positive and amiable attitude.....
I have admired and dated a VERY attractive (body and face-wise) man in the past but was repulsed by his rude attitude and shallow character. Physical attraction is cunning, and the most sensible are then apt to lose their wits. :)))
Some women and men are beautiful in person (a handsome face and form), yet uncultivated, bitching and mean; who would use uncouth words. And there are those who have a thoroughly good character and lack that stereotypical outward beauty. I find the latter irresistably charming. Anybody can buy "beauty" (a nose-job, breast implants, etc.) Neither beauty nor money can compensate for the lack of a good sense of humour, a noble and positive soul, and last but not least a lovely bearing.
JM
LC,
For me the the quality of the content is far more important than "the form".
There are better things in this world than good looks, e.g. candour, generosity, moral attractiveness, positive and amiable attitude.....
I have admired and dated a VERY attractive (body and face-wise) man in the past but was repulsed by his rude attitude and shallow character. Physical attraction is cunning, and the most sensible are then apt to lose their wits. :)))
Some women and men are beautiful in person (a handsome face and form), yet uncultivated, bitching and mean; who would use uncouth words. And there are those who have a thoroughly good character and lack that stereotypical outward beauty. I find the latter irresistably charming. Anybody can buy "beauty" (a nose-job, breast implants, etc.) Neither beauty nor money can compensate for the lack of a good sense of humour, a noble and positive soul, and last but not least a lovely bearing.
LC~ You may very well be right about the happiness factor….that Melonie was quantitatively happier than Scarlet. There are psychologists that study and have developed measures for self-perceived happiness.
Certainly these were two different women, wired very differently. Scarlet was filled with passion, energy and inner strength. She is what we call in society a ‘survivor’. In the American Wild West, she was the kind of woman that could make critical survival choices, shooting a gun if necessary when the Indians were circling the cabin….and not be crumpled in the corner crying for help.
While Melonie was steady, calm and satisfied with things as is. She was kind and compassionate…..the type every mother tells her son to marry. A ‘good’ girl.
Interestingly….for some men….when he marries Melonie, his soul still yearns for Scarlet. He misses the excitement and passion a raven haired beauty could bring to his life. For ‘some’ men, perhaps like Red Skelton….the fiery woman may be some trouble from time to time….but worth it!!!! *wink*
LC~ You may very well be right about the happiness factor….that Melonie was quantitatively happier than Scarlet. There are psychologists that study and have developed measures for self-perceived happiness.
Certainly these were two different women, wired very differently. Scarlet was filled with passion, energy and inner strength. She is what we call in society a ‘survivor’. In the American Wild West, she was the kind of woman that could make critical survival choices, shooting a gun if necessary when the Indians were circling the cabin….and not be crumpled in the corner crying for help.
While Melonie was steady, calm and satisfied with things as is. She was kind and compassionate…..the type every mother tells her son to marry. A ‘good’ girl.
Interestingly….for some men….when he marries Melonie, his soul still yearns for Scarlet. He misses the excitement and passion a raven haired beauty could bring to his life. For ‘some’ men, perhaps like Red Skelton….the fiery woman may be some trouble from time to time….but worth it!!!! *wink*
Hoping4Love2000, For me, 'what Beauty is' is the one of the most hard questions. I can't give a definition of the word. I know it's different from epoch to epoch, from nation to nation, from man to man. But I know that my standards of beauty is far aside from the general line. I see it in the eyes, hear it in a voice and feel the aura. But to say 'I like this and that, and this is beautiful..., I can't do this. I can't.
Hoping4Love2000, For me, 'what Beauty is' is the one of the most hard questions. I can't give a definition of the word. I know it's different from epoch to epoch, from nation to nation, from man to man. But I know that my standards of beauty is far aside from the general line. I see it in the eyes, hear it in a voice and feel the aura. But to say 'I like this and that, and this is beautiful..., I can't do this. I can't.
Gotta give some thought to this most intelligent response of yours. But--tonight--too late for seriousness for me. Very interesting indeed.
Nighty night for now.
Quoting laughing_cloud:
Curious 2078,
Thank you for the comment, I really enjoy your thoughts :-)
The most common questions still make us to think more than the modern philosophic dish full of choices. You do not want to write anything when you got ready opinion, so beautiful and full of evidence. Just put a "like". Is it a real act of communication with others AND yourself?
The exclamation of 19th century's French poet (and what a poet and person he was!) provokes reaction very fast. Don't you care where beauty comes from? Really? Or, you do! Really?! And if you do not care what is beauty then? And why people deify it? There are some nations that can forgive you all because you are the embodiment of the canon of beauty there. Now, think, would you like to live there?
The second poet (he was Russian) wrote a poem about the ugly girl who does not know that she is not pretty, but she has already a beautiful soul. Yet she wouldn't be happy in the future, he said. So, it seems obvious what answer to choose. But it's not easy at all in reality.
Look around, this site is full of those who do not care where beauty comes from, and those who say that only the soul is beautiful, but choose a sample of artificial beauty of the 21st century.
Personaly, I do not care of prepared answers from the books on philosophy, psychology, and good manners. I believe the answers on the old questions are not given yet. Otherwise the humanity would be dead already. The truly answers could be insights if you take a time to reflect over these questions.
P.S. In the Middle Ages we would get only one answer. Any earthly beauty should go to hell.
Quoting laughing_cloud:
Curious 2078,
Thank you for the comment, I really enjoy your thoughts :-)
The most common questions still make us to think more than the modern philosophic dish full of choices. You do not want to write anything when you got ready opinion, so beautiful and full of evidence. Just put a "like". Is it a real act of communication with others AND yourself?
The exclamation of 19th century's French poet (and what a poet and person he was!) provokes reaction very fast. Don't you care where beauty comes from? Really? Or, you do! Really?! And if you do not care what is beauty then? And why people deify it? There are some nations that can forgive you all because you are the embodiment of the canon of beauty there. Now, think, would you like to live there?
The second poet (he was Russian) wrote a poem about the ugly girl who does not know that she is not pretty, but she has already a beautiful soul. Yet she wouldn't be happy in the future, he said. So, it seems obvious what answer to choose. But it's not easy at all in reality.
Look around, this site is full of those who do not care where beauty comes from, and those who say that only the soul is beautiful, but choose a sample of artificial beauty of the 21st century.
Personaly, I do not care of prepared answers from the books on philosophy, psychology, and good manners. I believe the answers on the old questions are not given yet. Otherwise the humanity would be dead already. The truly answers could be insights if you take a time to reflect over these questions.
P.S. In the Middle Ages we would get only one answer. Any earthly beauty should go to hell.
Hi, LC.
Gotta give some thought to this most intelligent response of yours. But--tonight--too late for seriousness for me. Very interesting indeed.
Rmac~ It isn't any good, is it. The exterior beauty soon fades in your vision.
However on another note, I read an interview with Red Skelton long, long time ago. He said, "There isn't a woman of any interest, that doesn't have some bitch in her." (Hugh Hefner's magazine)
I have thought about that many times. I think he meant the difference between Scarlet and Melonie, in Gone with the Wind.
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Quoting rmac22:
I really do not want a beautiful yet evil women.
rmac
Rmac~ It isn't any good, is it. The exterior beauty soon fades in your vision.
However on another note, I read an interview with Red Skelton long, long time ago. He said, "There isn't a woman of any interest, that doesn't have some bitch in her." (Hugh Hefner's magazine)
I have thought about that many times. I think he meant the difference between Scarlet and Melonie, in Gone with the Wind.
For me.. The two go hand in hand.. The flicker would not be as notable if it were on it's own. The bowl makes it glisten! For this, I do not define people as "BEAUTIFUL" without knowing the content of their heart..
I've known women who had well above normal features, yet they were not kind to others. Their faces no doubt attractive, but to me, they were ugly regardless. I've also known unattractive people who were mean and guess what.. I consider them ugly people as well... and it has nothing to do with their faces.
I have heard if a man refers to a woman as "BEAUTIFUL" he is speaking of her "HEART." If he says she is "PRETTY", he is looking at her face.. I don't know if this is true or not..
But as the other saying.. "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder." I think for this, we all read "Beauty" differently based on our life experiences.
For me.. The two go hand in hand.. The flicker would not be as notable if it were on it's own. The bowl makes it glisten! For this, I do not define people as "BEAUTIFUL" without knowing the content of their heart..
I've known women who had well above normal features, yet they were not kind to others. Their faces no doubt attractive, but to me, they were ugly regardless. I've also known unattractive people who were mean and guess what.. I consider them ugly people as well... and it has nothing to do with their faces.
I have heard if a man refers to a woman as "BEAUTIFUL" he is speaking of her "HEART." If he says she is "PRETTY", he is looking at her face.. I don't know if this is true or not..
But as the other saying.. "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder." I think for this, we all read "Beauty" differently based on our life experiences.
Thank you for the comment, I really enjoy your thoughts :-)
The most common questions still make us to think more than the modern philosophic dish full of choices. You do not want to write anything when you got ready opinion, so beautiful and full of evidence. Just put a "like". Is it a real act of communication with others AND yourself?
The exclamation of 19th century's French poet (and what a poet and person he was!) provokes reaction very fast. Don't you care where beauty comes from? Really? Or, you do! Really?! And if you do not care what is beauty then? And why people deify it? There are some nations that can forgive you all because you are the embodiment of the canon of beauty there. Now, think, would you like to live there?
The second poet (he was Russian) wrote a poem about the ugly girl who does not know that she is not pretty, but she has already a beautiful soul. Yet she wouldn't be happy in the future, he said. So, it seems obvious what answer to choose. But it's not easy at all in reality.
Look around, this site is full of those who do not care where beauty comes from, and those who say that only the soul is beautiful, but choose a sample of artificial beauty of the 21st century.
Personaly, I do not care of prepared answers from the books on philosophy, psychology, and good manners. I believe the answers on the old questions are not given yet. Otherwise the humanity would be dead already. The truly answers could be insights if you take a time to reflect over these questions.
P.S. In the Middle Ages we would get only one answer. Any earthly beauty should go to hell.
Curious 2078,
Thank you for the comment, I really enjoy your thoughts :-)
The most common questions still make us to think more than the modern philosophic dish full of choices. You do not want to write anything when you got ready opinion, so beautiful and full of evidence. Just put a "like". Is it a real act of communication with others AND yourself?
The exclamation of 19th century's French poet (and what a poet and person he was!) provokes reaction very fast. Don't you care where beauty comes from? Really? Or, you do! Really?! And if you do not care what is beauty then? And why people deify it? There are some nations that can forgive you all because you are the embodiment of the canon of beauty there. Now, think, would you like to live there?
The second poet (he was Russian) wrote a poem about the ugly girl who does not know that she is not pretty, but she has already a beautiful soul. Yet she wouldn't be happy in the future, he said. So, it seems obvious what answer to choose. But it's not easy at all in reality.
Look around, this site is full of those who do not care where beauty comes from, and those who say that only the soul is beautiful, but choose a sample of artificial beauty of the 21st century.
Personaly, I do not care of prepared answers from the books on philosophy, psychology, and good manners. I believe the answers on the old questions are not given yet. Otherwise the humanity would be dead already. The truly answers could be insights if you take a time to reflect over these questions.
P.S. In the Middle Ages we would get only one answer. Any earthly beauty should go to hell.
Must I choose between form and content? I think not.
And I don't think any beauty is goodness.
Of course, my first images from which I draw my response come from Fairy Tales. Such is the primitive nature of your question--and that's not an insult, by the way. Not at all. It suggests only that your question is so basic, it's difficult to fathom from a 21st century point of view rather than a medieval point of view.
Getting to your question from a 21st century point of view, my first thought is to say how intrigued I am by your penchant for either/or questions that allow no option for a middle ground of thought. I can't help wondering "where you're coming from" as the saying goes. Especially since the various poets who've used similar lines to "Whether you come from heaven or hell, what does it matter, O Beauty," wrote, poems full of far more depth and complexity than just that line alone.
The other line: "What Beauty is? Is it a bowl or flame flickering in a bowl?" I can find no reference for.
So...just thoughts. Perhaps you like to enlighten us. Perhaps not.
Truly Curious.
Quoting laughing_cloud:
One poet wrote: "Wheter you come from heaven or hell, what does it matter, O Beauty!" The other poet said: "What Beauty is? Is it a bowl or flame flickering in a bowl?"
What is really more important to you, the form or content? Any beauty is goodness?
Quoting laughing_cloud:
One poet wrote: "Wheter you come from heaven or hell, what does it matter, O Beauty!" The other poet said: "What Beauty is? Is it a bowl or flame flickering in a bowl?"
What is really more important to you, the form or content? Any beauty is goodness?
Must I choose between form and content? I think not.
And I don't think any beauty is goodness.
Of course, my first images from which I draw my response come from Fairy Tales. Such is the primitive nature of your question--and that's not an insult, by the way. Not at all. It suggests only that your question is so basic, it's difficult to fathom from a 21st century point of view rather than a medieval point of view.
Getting to your question from a 21st century point of view, my first thought is to say how intrigued I am by your penchant for either/or questions that allow no option for a middle ground of thought. I can't help wondering "where you're coming from" as the saying goes. Especially since the various poets who've used similar lines to "Whether you come from heaven or hell, what does it matter, O Beauty," wrote, poems full of far more depth and complexity than just that line alone.
The other line: "What Beauty is? Is it a bowl or flame flickering in a bowl?" I can find no reference for.
So...just thoughts. Perhaps you like to enlighten us. Perhaps not.
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