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Posted on Thu, Dec 20, 2012 21:53

Quoting Curious2078:


Apples and oranges, my friend.  Why do you insist on changing the subject midstream?  Defensiveness?  One subject at a time please. 

 

Molestations and school shootings:   Two different topics. 



Yey.....the gang is all back!! Lololol.....feels like old times again. Hi Pat....hope you've been doing good and staying warm.

No, I wasn't talking apples and oranges. I was talking about the effect of God's presence, on the occurance of bad events. The question was, is there a causal effect of bad things happening due to God's lack of presence, as the T-shirt might suggest?

I'm going to have to look up gun violence statistics in relation to gun carrying laws. I'll have to get back with you....but I don't think you are right on that one.....that there are less gun related deaths the more guns people carry. Correct me if that is not your premise.

 

Actually....where is the Town Owl???  He would be a non-bias source for statistical information.

(Dang, I didn't mean to get sucked into this debate again). *wink* :))



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Posted on Thu, Dec 20, 2012 21:33

Quoting Hoping4Love2000:

Our Lovely Lady DI...

 

I am sad.... And I "get" your thought on SAVING ONE LIFE... 

 

BUT... DRUNK DRIVING kills FARRRR more.. Do we abolish alcohol now? WHO CARES HOW MANY USE ALCOHOL *RESPONSIBLY... Let's take away the Cabernet and the Chocolate Martinis... Because some people don't know how to use responsibly.. I mean.. Alcohol isn't "really" necessary is it? So what if a few members of society enjoy "playing" with it... 

 

See DI, the issue for me is this... 

 

WHERE DO WE STOP? 

 

Do we ban McDonalds now B/C HEART DISEASE kills over 500,000 people a year???????? Fatal SHARK ATTACKS were at an all time high in 2011.. NO MORE BEACH PEOPLE!! 

 

No Lady DI... The "sick" in the world will just use other measures to commense their devatstation! Who's to say this individual would not have decided a BOMB in the school killing HUNDREDS would be better than an assault rifle? 

 

My point? When we want to do something DI.. WE DO IT.. I wanted sex as a teen.. Didn't matter if I was cramped in a Chevette with a hole in the floor, in the back of a SAAB, on the sand at the beach with sand going up my heiny, or if I was in my parents bed when they were away... (Yes, all true stories!) 

 

Point is... 

 

You don't stop a horny teenager on a mission.. 

 

And you aren't going to stop a sick individual hell bent on ruining a bunch of lives! 

 

 


Hope~

 Once again….no one is suggesting taking all guns away!  We are talking semi-automatic, military style combat weapons that can spray hundreds of bullets in mere minutes.  These weapons only have one purpose and one purpose alone…..and that is to KILL other people.  Things like cars, hamburgers, beaches and alcohol have other purposes besides DEATH.

 

 These type of weapons and their high capacity clips have proliferated in our society unabated, to where almost anyone can acquire them without regard to criminal record, mental status or competency.

 

 

 

Where does it stop????  With 20 kindergarten children (5 and 6 year olds) slaughtered right before Christmas!!  Come on people!



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Posted on Thu, Dec 20, 2012 21:06

Quoting Diana3316:

Dear God,

I know some believe if You were allowed in schools, You could have prevented the recent shooting at a grade school of 20 children.  But, could You please tell me how many child molestations You prevented in churches?

Respectfully,

~Diana




Apples and oranges, my friend.  Why do you insist on changing the subject midstream?  Defensiveness?  One subject at a time please. 

 

Molestations and school shootings:   Two different topics. 



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Posted on Thu, Dec 20, 2012 21:03

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  If you get the urge to go out and murder a bunch of people go for politicans,Not Children!!I remember the Zodiak killer and having a policeman ride our bus with patrol cars all over the place on the roads keeping us kiddies safe and that was 2,000 miles away from the killer.

 

  It's not the assult rifle,it's the human,for whatever reason.Maybe check your guns at the police if homelife is unsetteling for awhile.There are hundreds of thousands  of these rifles in the US and only the human makes them turn bad.

 

  WTF is it with people who want to harm childern,Little Kids!What have they done that was so phucking bad they needed to be murdered?Their big highlite of the day is drying Elmors glue on their little hands and peeling it off.

 

  We had our Bethel murders a few years ago,after Columbine a play was written.It was also made into a movie.It is called "Bang Bang Your Dead".I Encourage Everyone to Watch This Movie,Go Rent This Movie,Request This Movie,Its that Powerful.It gives us grown ups something to think about.The first 10 minutes you'll think I'm nuts,watch the whole thing and you'll see how powerful it is.

 

  I live in a conceald carry state,if its legal for you to own it its legal for you to carry it concealed.It is MY and only MY duty to read any posting on doorways of business,NO WEADONS ALLOWED means I need to go back to my car for a moment or not do business there.An armed society is a polite society.If I just wing out my six shooter and start shooting a hunderd people can legally shoot me,good deterent.

 

  You can put police in every classroom sure.Newtown is a little place,Bethel is even smaller.How can you tell where might be next?Teachers shoud be allowed firearms if they choose to carry them after undergoing rigorous training.I've never needed mine after carrying all these years,it just hangs there doing just what its supposed to do,Nothing.You'd never guess unless you gave me a hug,then you might notice.

 

  Newtown Conn.A day that hurt every soul on the planet.

 

  Please world,stop hurting the childern.



And the states in this great union that allow carry permits AND open carry are the states that have fewest killings by guns.

 

It's pretty simple to a sane reasonable mind.  Where sane, reasonable, law-abiding citizens are armed, criminals are forewarned and attempt "crimes by gun" less than they do anywhere else.

 

If this sad, sicko, Lanza had not had access to guns through his mother, he would have found some other way to do exactly what he did with guns.  He was brilliant!  He would have made a bomb, or configured some other lethal weapon.  A lack of guns would not have stopped him. 

 

The only thing that would have stopped him was psychological, psychiatric intervention back when this kid was 8 years old.  And even then he would probably not have been stopped unless he had been locked up since he was 8 years old. 

 

I don't know why God allows for mental illness to overtake so many people, but He does.  Maybe He wants us to focus on REAL solutions.  Maybe He's sending us messages we're not listening to very well.  I don't know.  [Shut up, Voyager!!!!!]  Whatever, we need to be focusing more on the effects and results of mental illness and how to fix/cure/save us from those afflicted than we need to be focusing on more gun control.  Especially since so many of the gun control laws currently in effect are NOT being enforced on a regular basis.



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Posted on Thu, Dec 20, 2012 21:02

Quoting Dakota35:

Dear God,

Help Diana to one day see the truth.  And you have to ask in Jesus name since no one comes to the Father except through the Son. 

Stop confusing the sins of man with God.  Blame man not God.  

Respectfully,

Me.

 


Ahhhh....there's my friend!!  :))  I'm happy to see you!  Hmmm....well...at least I think you're my friend....but I seem to remember one time when you said you would be happy if people like me were exterminated.....I guess because of our beliefs.  Well....never the less...I think of you as a friend and enjoy our interactions.  :))  Seriously!

 

Dak, I was not blaming God for man's sins.  I was just trying to point out how meaningless the statement on the T-shirt was.  God's presence doesn't prevent bad things from happening.....whether it be in schools or churches.



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Posted on Thu, Dec 20, 2012 20:51

Quoting Hoping4Love2000:

PAT.. Where ya been? Hope all is well.. Miss your thoughts my lady friend! :)))

Good to see you~~~



I'm here, my friend.  I'm here.  More or less.

 

MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!



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Posted on Thu, Dec 20, 2012 20:28

Quoting Hoping4Love2000:

I believe as most "Christians" believe.. God does not involve Himself in the day to day "lessons" of life... He granted us FREEDOM to choose... Any child molester chose that path one way or the other.. And most people are wise enough to know.. Check out your local day cares and parks people.. filled with pedophiles! They use it for a "guise"....  

 

This young man ***CHOSE to take others' lives and leave devastation in his wake...

 

Now I am not big on knowing all this stuff.. I am an admittedly horrible Christian..... But, the bible states something about when man sins against God, we sin against one another.. 

 

This man's sin hurt the entire World..... 

 

***FOOT NOTE!!! (By the Author.... Um.. That's ME people!! LOL) If I am incorrct on my reference of God / Bible etc... Feel FREE to note it.. But know that I in no way am ever claiming **FACTUAL without a quote of scripture.. which I did not refer..  Therefore.. merely MY interpretation... 

 

Now, in saying this... I do NOT feel all should hold my beliefs what so ever... For me, I think you could worship a trash can or an ashtray if you wanted... Killing innocent lives is still wrong.... And I care not if this is done with a pencil sharpener, or a bomb made of Acetone and Muratic Acid... 

 

or an assault weapon... 

 

IT'S STILL SICK... :((((((((

 

 


Princess Hope~

What I hear you saying is, that since God has given all humans the "right to choose", his presence in schools and the statement on the T-shirt....are basically meaningless.  Bad things can still happen in schools, whether God is there or not.  I agree!!

 

It's best to leave God out of the schools.  Because which God do you let in???  Voyager's God....the Sun God....the God of Fertility???  The God a particular teacher with gun strapped to his/her thigh subscribes to?  (Talk about intimidation)  What do you do with the little children during God class that have a different belief?  Send them out to sit alone in the hallway?  Hmmm....best to leave God in churches and individual homes where He belongs.

 

It's the number one founding principle that this country was founded on:  Religious Freedom.  That's why God is NOT mentioned in the Constitution!  We have no right to indoctrinate other people's children in our public schools on one God or another.

 

 

 

 



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Posted on Thu, Dec 20, 2012 13:42

Quoting Diana3316:

Dear God,

I know some believe if You were allowed in schools, You could have prevented the recent shooting at a grade school of 20 children.  But, could You please tell me how many child molestations You prevented in churches?

Respectfully,

~Diana



Dear God,

Help Diana to one day see the truth.  And you have to ask in Jesus name since no one comes to the Father except through the Son. 

Stop confusing the sins of man with God.  Blame man not God.  

Respectfully,

Me.

 



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Posted on Thu, Dec 20, 2012 04:42


Fishy~
I know you didn't mean it, but it is wrong to suggest someone should go murder a politician. The problem is that it's really, really hard to control crazy people!! And these crazy people seem to want to shoot people with military style weapons. Most of them probably don't even know how to shoot. But with these weapons.... they just point and spray.....and 27 are DEAD!!

 

 

 

  @ Di,I like to think that even scum crap politicians would rather be murdered rather than murdering children.They,however,might think murdering fishermen is better than murdering childern.I agree but they Are in the limelight by choice.

 

  Thankfully the kid didn't know how to shoot well.I've heard hundreds of shots fired,it could have been much much worse.Like you said Di,just point and spray.It was almost like video gameing come to life.

 

  For me  passing common sense regulation is the janitor would of had a gun of some type on his mop bucket.The teachers would have pulled out their pistols and shot back.We'll never be able to stop suicide bombers in war and we'll never be able to stop some wacko murdering children with assult rifles.ANYwhere in the world.

 

  I have one of the 90 some Million AK47's made.That is just 1 brand.I have high capacity magazines and when fully loaded I need Hundreds of bullets to do it.I am just one such owner,there are hundreds of thousands of these rifles in the hands of Americans.Mine is usefull when I'm in the thick of brown bear country for a month or two but I did buy it incase America got invaded years ago.

 

  I'm not into giving up any part of any of my firearms but do encourage Extensive training for Any school employee who wants to protect their children,like a pissed off momma brown bear.From your nursing you might well have seen what bullets do to people.I'm blessed so far in that I've only learned from being a hunter.Ammuntion has alreay been made that is not the chunk of lead,it is teflon,THWAK.Your not hitting them with the big 44 magnum that keeps on going,THWAK it stops right there.

 

  For years we've been wondering,have been warned on what violence in games,on TV,in movies have been doing to our youth.Well here we are.The major industries are now smelling the coffee after how many murdered this year alone

 

  For me,letting anyone legal to own it should be allowed to carry it.Get the special bullets that don't keep on going,they loose speed and power after 100 feet,good for cities,Schools,Movie Theaters,they love them on airplanes.Sure,we're going to have a bunch of dead people for the first 6 months but after that we will have a much more polite society.

 

  No matter what we do,we'll still never stop suicide bombers in war and we'll never be able to stop some wacko murdering children with assult rifles.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted on Wed, Dec 19, 2012 23:01

PAT.. Where ya been? Hope all is well.. Miss your thoughts my lady friend! :)))

Good to see you~~~



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Posted on Wed, Dec 19, 2012 22:57

Quoting Diana3316:

Dear God,

I know some believe if You were allowed in schools, You could have prevented the recent shooting at a grade school of 20 children.  But, could You please tell me how many child molestations You prevented in churches?

Respectfully,

~Diana


I believe as most "Christians" believe.. God does not involve Himself in the day to day "lessons" of life... He granted us FREEDOM to choose... Any child molester chose that path one way or the other.. And most people are wise enough to know.. Check out your local day cares and parks people.. filled with pedophiles! They use it for a "guise"....  

 

This young man ***CHOSE to take others' lives and leave devastation in his wake...

 

Now I am not big on knowing all this stuff.. I am an admittedly horrible Christian..... But, the bible states something about when man sins against God, we sin against one another.. 

 

This man's sin hurt the entire World..... 

 

***FOOT NOTE!!! (By the Author.... Um.. That's ME people!! LOL) If I am incorrct on my reference of God / Bible etc... Feel FREE to note it.. But know that I in no way am ever claiming **FACTUAL without a quote of scripture.. which I did not refer..  Therefore.. merely MY interpretation... 

 

Now, in saying this... I do NOT feel all should hold my beliefs what so ever... For me, I think you could worship a trash can or an ashtray if you wanted... Killing innocent lives is still wrong.... And I care not if this is done with a pencil sharpener, or a bomb made of Acetone and Muratic Acid... 

 

or an assault weapon... 

 

IT'S STILL SICK... :((((((((

 

 



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Posted on Wed, Dec 19, 2012 22:42

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".....while I can't state the answer to total elimination of these heinous crimes, I do not feel taking assault weapons away is the answer."

 

 

Oh Gosh Hope.......If passing common sense regulation for these combat weapons saved just one life.....you would 'still' choose the weapons and bullets???


Our Lovely Lady DI...

 

I am sad.... And I "get" your thought on SAVING ONE LIFE... 

 

BUT... DRUNK DRIVING kills FARRRR more.. Do we abolish alcohol now? WHO CARES HOW MANY USE ALCOHOL *RESPONSIBLY... Let's take away the Cabernet and the Chocolate Martinis... Because some people don't know how to use responsibly.. I mean.. Alcohol isn't "really" necessary is it? So what if a few members of society enjoy "playing" with it... 

 

See DI, the issue for me is this... 

 

WHERE DO WE STOP? 

 

Do we ban McDonalds now B/C HEART DISEASE kills over 500,000 people a year???????? Fatal SHARK ATTACKS were at an all time high in 2011.. NO MORE BEACH PEOPLE!! 

 

No Lady DI... The "sick" in the world will just use other measures to commense their devatstation! Who's to say this individual would not have decided a BOMB in the school killing HUNDREDS would be better than an assault rifle? 

 

My point? When we want to do something DI.. WE DO IT.. I wanted sex as a teen.. Didn't matter if I was cramped in a Chevette with a hole in the floor, in the back of a SAAB, on the sand at the beach with sand going up my heiny, or if I was in my parents bed when they were away... (Yes, all true stories!) 

 

Point is... 

 

You don't stop a horny teenager on a mission.. 

 

And you aren't going to stop a sick individual hell bent on ruining a bunch of lives! 

 

 



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Posted on Wed, Dec 19, 2012 19:27

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♥♥♥ It is a sad moment in time when little innocent lives are so viciously taken. There simply is not, nor will there ever be, an explanation for something so heinous to occur. I am just reading of this horrific tragedy and just hours ago I was in a Catholic Cathedral praying for my own children's lives, though I am admittedly not Catholic. (I feel God hears regardless of religious preference. ) Tomorrow I will head back to the same spot and pray more fervently for those who have lost what they held most precious in their lives. GOD BLESS ALL THOSE SHAKEN BY THIS TRAGEDY AND MAY HE COMFORT THOSE IN THEIR SORROW.. ♥♥♥



The picture on the t-sheet says it all.



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Posted on Wed, Dec 19, 2012 19:25

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~Hope~...Times are definitely changing. I can't imagine what is eating at the country's youth. Obama was right when he said there has been too many of these over the past few years. I don't think additional gun laws will help. Any disgruntled or psychotic person will figure out alternate ways to accomplish their mission of evil...as far as schools go, All I can think of as a solution , is to have a uniformed police man at every school across America. And I think it would also send a message to very young people that Police are good and that the badge is something to be respected and honored. Every little boys dream...Policeman or Fireman...put them in the schools full time. Deter kooks from getting in and instilling good behaviour in young children.



Gotta ditto that.



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Posted on Wed, Dec 19, 2012 07:54

Dear God,

I know some believe if You were allowed in schools, You could have prevented the recent shooting at a grade school of 20 children.  But, could You please tell me how many child molestations You prevented in churches?

Respectfully,

~Diana



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Posted on Wed, Dec 19, 2012 07:29

".....while I can't state the answer to total elimination of these heinous crimes, I do not feel taking assault weapons away is the answer."

 

 

Oh Gosh Hope.......If passing common sense regulation for these combat weapons saved just one life.....you would 'still' choose the weapons and bullets???


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Posted on Tue, Dec 18, 2012 09:06

Well Hello there Ms. Lady DI!! Been a while.. I see you have been busy in my former neck of the woods! Hope the weather treated you well! :))))

 

Well, as you can imagine, I have been very saddened by this tragedy and while I can't state the answer to total elimination of these heinous crimes, I do not feel taking assault weapons away is the answer. Here's why...

 

FACTS:

 

In 2010, CARS / ACCIDENTS IN VEHICLES COSTS 32,885 LIVES... Of the almost 33,000, 31% (10,228) people died due to ALCOHOL related deaths. We aren't taking people's cars or licenses away until AFTER they commit the crime. In the United States of America one is innocent until proven guilty. Do we take knives away from society since death by knife is much more close and personal? I've heard of "angry housewives" stabbing a husband anywhere from 30 to a hundred times. That is beyond any comprehension! Now my ridiculous point is this... 

 

GUNS DON'T KILL PEOPLE... PEOPLE, KILL PEOPLE.... 

 

DI, we simply MUST count the PERSON responsible for their actions, not the weapon. As FISHY stated so clearly, (HI FISHY!!!) Newtown is a small town, as is Columbine. Nobody can foresee where / when these things are going to happen. 

 

I am going to work on something and will be back.. But I wanted to say HELLO to you Lady DI, as well as FISHY and WORLDMIND and I know this takes many hours to post. 



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Posted on Tue, Dec 18, 2012 06:50

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uggghhhh RMac....it's so hard to bear.

Too many sad days!!!  The Nation weeps....but will it do anything???  If not now…when?  Year after year, our citizens, our policemen….our children are slaughtered by these horrendously lethal weapons.  If these were terrorist acts, the country would demand action to stop it.  It’s an outrage that we do nothing….and make no mistake…it will happen again!  Is this the price we pay for the so called freedom...for almost anyone…. to obtain a military style assault weapon and piles of bullets?  Is this really a good…or free society when you can’t even be sure your child is safe at their desk?  Are we really going to tell ourselves that there is nothing we can do???

I know we already had a vigorous conversation here on a blog about gun control....and not too terribly long ago either, after another mass murder event.  I don't even want to think or talk about it!  I just become too agitated!!  Even the lowest animal knows 'the' most important job is to protect your babies.  Why don’t Americans know this?

This whole thing is so profoundly tragic.  My heart is just broken for the victims….the mothers…the fathers, brothers, sisters….the Sandy Hook community….for all of us.



-- Diana3316 – Yes I know.  It is too hard to bear.  I expect something will be done.  I hope something will be done.  There are obvious things that can be done.  I hope enough of the right things will be done. 

 

RMac



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Posted on Tue, Dec 18, 2012 06:49

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  If you get the urge to go out and murder a bunch of people go for politicans,Not Children!!I remember the Zodiak killer and having a policeman ride our bus with patrol cars all over the place on the roads keeping us kiddies safe and that was 2,000 miles away from the killer.

 

  It's not the assult rifle,it's the human,for whatever reason.Maybe check your guns at the police if homelife is unsetteling for awhile.There are hundreds of thousands  of these rifles in the US and only the human makes them turn bad.

 

  WTF is it with people who want to harm childern,Little Kids!What have they done that was so phucking bad they needed to be murdered?Their big highlite of the day is drying Elmors glue on their little hands and peeling it off.

 

  We had our Bethel murders a few years ago,after Columbine a play was written.It was also made into a movie.It is called "Bang Bang Your Dead".I Encourage Everyone to Watch This Movie,Go Rent This Movie,Request This Movie,Its that Powerful.It gives us grown ups something to think about.The first 10 minutes you'll think I'm nuts,watch the whole thing and you'll see how powerful it is.

 

  I live in a conceald carry state,if its legal for you to own it its legal for you to carry it concealed.It is MY and only MY duty to read any posting on doorways of business,NO WEADONS ALLOWED means I need to go back to my car for a moment or not do business there.An armed society is a polite society.If I just wing out my six shooter and start shooting a hunderd people can legally shoot me,good deterent.

 

  You can put police in every classroom sure.Newtown is a little place,Bethel is even smaller.How can you tell where might be next?Teachers shoud be allowed firearms if they choose to carry them after undergoing rigorous training.I've never needed mine after carrying all these years,it just hangs there doing just what its supposed to do,Nothing.You'd never guess unless you gave me a hug,then you might notice.

 

  Newtown Conn.A day that hurt every soul on the planet.

 

  Please world,stop hurting the childern.



Fishy~

I know you didn't mean it, but it is wrong to suggest someone should go murder a politician. 

 

The problem is that it's really, really hard to control crazy people!!  And these crazy people seem to want to shoot people with military style weapons.  Most of them probably don't even know how to shoot.  But with these weapons.... they just point and spray.....and 27 are DEAD!!

 

 



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Posted on Mon, Dec 17, 2012 22:59

  If you get the urge to go out and murder a bunch of people go for politicans,Not Children!!I remember the Zodiak killer and having a policeman ride our bus with patrol cars all over the place on the roads keeping us kiddies safe and that was 2,000 miles away from the killer.

 

  It's not the assult rifle,it's the human,for whatever reason.Maybe check your guns at the police if homelife is unsetteling for awhile.There are hundreds of thousands  of these rifles in the US and only the human makes them turn bad.

 

  WTF is it with people who want to harm childern,Little Kids!What have they done that was so phucking bad they needed to be murdered?Their big highlite of the day is drying Elmors glue on their little hands and peeling it off.

 

  We had our Bethel murders a few years ago,after Columbine a play was written.It was also made into a movie.It is called "Bang Bang Your Dead".I Encourage Everyone to Watch This Movie,Go Rent This Movie,Request This Movie,Its that Powerful.It gives us grown ups something to think about.The first 10 minutes you'll think I'm nuts,watch the whole thing and you'll see how powerful it is.

 

  I live in a conceald carry state,if its legal for you to own it its legal for you to carry it concealed.It is MY and only MY duty to read any posting on doorways of business,NO WEADONS ALLOWED means I need to go back to my car for a moment or not do business there.An armed society is a polite society.If I just wing out my six shooter and start shooting a hunderd people can legally shoot me,good deterent.

 

  You can put police in every classroom sure.Newtown is a little place,Bethel is even smaller.How can you tell where might be next?Teachers shoud be allowed firearms if they choose to carry them after undergoing rigorous training.I've never needed mine after carrying all these years,it just hangs there doing just what its supposed to do,Nothing.You'd never guess unless you gave me a hug,then you might notice.

 

  Newtown Conn.A day that hurt every soul on the planet.

 

  Please world,stop hurting the childern.



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