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Posted on Thu, Dec 27, 2012 17:23

From now on, I'm going to limit my response since it seems many of my posts have been removed.

 

 

Diane, Empathy is a wonderful trait.  But be very careful as sometime Empathy can be viewed as accepting and enabling, which ultimately will cause more pain.

 

 

Drug addict utilizes your clinic, you can be empathetic but still be critical of his/her behavior.  Do you really think Jesus condoned the woman's adultery?  My Jesus would not and would have tried to teach the lady that she was doing wrong...ultimately making her life better. (keeping her from being stone later when he wasn't there to save her)



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Posted on Wed, Dec 26, 2012 19:51

Quoting Diana3316:

Dak~

 In nursing we receive extensive training in ‘Empathy’.  Empathy is defined as the capacity to recognize and acknowledge the feelings that are being experienced by another.  Before you can have compassion for another suffering human being, you must have a certain amount of empathy for them.  We are taught, regardless of how rude or irritating the patient is, it is always worse to be the one experiencing the personal crisis and likely they are doing the best they can, given the circumstances.

 

 Often nurses must witness another’s pain and must do so without judging or blaming.  While a nurse may not approve of everything a patient or their family do…or… may not even like them, she must accept them as struggling human beings in order to deal with them effectively.  Empathy is the basic building block for ethics and ethical conduct towards others.  Practicing empathy, or the lack of, tends to be contagious.  That’s why, in my view, conservative talk radio is such a negative influence on human behavior.

 

 One of the reasons that I favor or admire religious groups to a certain extent, is that it gives humans an identity.  It gives them a group to belong to, which humans must have in order to survive.  (Many may remember my references to how cavemen were able to survive due to the formation of social groups).  However, where some religious groups go off the rail, is when they fail to debate, understand, reform and enact appropriate codes of conduct.  When the group becomes satisfied that they have the answers, they can forget others really do feel the highs and lows of life just as deeply as they do.  A vanity develops which expresses itself with a closed-heartedness and an undervaluing of others…..sometimes towards the weakest and most vulnerable in our society.

I am reminded of a biblical story.  The Pharisees dragged a woman adulterer up to Jesus and asked him what should be done with her, knowing full well that the law was to stone her to death.  Now if any of you don’t know who the Pharisees were, they were the purists that were always sitting in the front of the synagogue being the most pious and Holier than Thou.  These men wanted to trap Jesus.  If He said to let her go….He would be breaking the law.  If He said to stone her….the common people would view Jesus as lacking compassion.  Basically their snickering evil plan was a lose, lose for Jesus.  Now mind you, adultery is a two person act and the law actually states that both adulterers are supposed to be killed….but they only dragged the woman up for judgment!

What did Jesus do????  He said, “He that is without sin, cast the first stone.”  The Pharisees thought for a moment……and then they all left, hopefully to self-examine.

PS:  Interestingly, Jesus did not say, “Thou shalt not kill”….nor did he say the Old Testament laws are no longer valid.  But those are other topics…..I was speaking of empathy here.


My Beautiful Hearted Lovely Lady DI.... 

 

I wish to respond here, but have been very busy with CHRISTMAS (HeeHee) and have not yet had the opportunity... 

 

As a compadre in the medical field, not near of your stature, but none the less an "empathetic" individual... I soooooo comprehend your words... 

 

WHAT SHE WROTE PEOPLE... 

 

AND .. Your Princess will return with further thoughts to expound upon this.... 

 

I just wanted to make note of Lady DI's words here... 

 

"EXPERIENCE" IS OUR FINEST TEACHER.. BUT "EMPATHY" IS OUR BRAVEST BADGE...

 

To allow ourselves to "Love enough to care" leaves us vulnerable in many ways... 

 

I admire you in many ways our Beautiful Nurse.... 

 

And OF COURSE I WANT YOU TO FIND JESUS... (HE'S LOST ya know! LOLOL) 

 

But I will NOT push my Faith on you.. Just nudge you enough to know... 

 

"I Care" and "I Pray For YOU Little Lady!" :)))))

 

"Prayer.... It's a Gift From the Heart..." (But not meant to offend....) 

 

I have a story here I wish to tell... No time tonight... But it so ALIGNS with Lady DI's... 

That's PRECISELY MY POINT... 

Christian, Agnostic, Atheist.... 

Are we REALLY "THAT" Far Apart???

I Don't Think "The Great Divide" is as Far as Some Make It Appear!

 

XOXO~~~ 

Your Princess~~

 

 


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Posted on Wed, Dec 26, 2012 08:02

Hey Fishy~

How are you?  Merry belated Christmas!  I've been thinking of you and wanted to respond to you on the gun issue....but just couldn't seem to find the heart for it.  I will soon be hitting the road again and am grateful for a busy New Year.  Hope you are well.

Take good care.

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Posted on Wed, Dec 26, 2012 02:43

Quoting Diana3316:

Dak????
BTW....who are my allies? Seriously, because it pretty much feels to me, like I'm out there swinging alone for the most part.....at least regarding substantive topics. Best I can tell, that is the very first time any of us ever saw this Cherokee Chief person. Is he the only one I 'had'??? Cuz he seems to be gone now.

PS: Your humor came across in the first part of the comment. You have a dry, sarcastic wit....which I tend to like and appreciate in men....especially if they are #1 smart and #2 cute. :)) *wink*



Well it seemed CC was a ally, as he was in agreement with something you said.  I think SilverLion agrees with you on most things, and Voyager's got the God hate thing going. 

 

This is what I don't get, and I'll make it short.  A true Christian believes in good, kindness, and doing what is morally right.  Why would you want to try to convince them not to believe?  Do you realize that their belief is what keeps many of these people from doing evil?  When I say evil, I mean across the board, stealing, killing, rape, etc.  Surely this is not what you want?  So why do you care, you should be happy.

 

Just speaking for myself.  If I were not a believer, I'd be a much wealthier person.  I'd be a big time drug dealer, build subs to ship coke to the US.  Easy money....but my religious beliefs keep me from doing so, because it's wrong.  I've see the lives that drugs destroy.  And with drug dealing comes murder.  But without my beliefs as a Christian, there would be nothing keeping me from doing this.  You see, I'm arrogant in regards to my abilities in coming up with plans to not get caught.  But, I have to answer to God, therefore I will never do such. 

 

If you were standing at the gates of 2 separate cities and you had to enter one.  One city was inhabited by true Christian and the other was all atheist.  In these cities people were starving to the point of death.  Which city would you enter?



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Posted on Wed, Dec 26, 2012 01:25

Quoting Hoping4Love2000:

♥♥♥ It is a sad moment in time when little innocent lives are so viciously taken. There simply is not, nor will there ever be, an explanation for something so heinous to occur. I am just reading of this horrific tragedy and just hours ago I was in a Catholic Cathedral praying for my own children's lives, though I am admittedly not Catholic. (I feel God hears regardless of religious preference. ) Tomorrow I will head back to the same spot and pray more fervently for those who have lost what they held most precious in their lives. GOD BLESS ALL THOSE SHAKEN BY THIS TRAGEDY AND MAY HE COMFORT THOSE IN THEIR SORROW.. ♥♥♥


Hoping - Again, stop on! That picture you posted says it all. I used to blame God for all the calamities happening around us - but I have learnt the truth - when it is simply not down to God! 

 

My heart and prayers are with those families.

 

Thanks for posting this.

 

Liv.



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Posted on Tue, Dec 25, 2012 22:23

  Right on Dak,even though CC slithered away for now.I once had a turkey on my land one day while clearing brush.Smoking my bowl just after lunch,out there was the biggest spruce hen I'd ever seen.The first thing I thought was"I need to get more of this stuff",then I saw how long its neck was.In short,it would have been better pressure cooked other than roasted.

 

  Turns out the bird came from a farmers stock 2 miles away.Free range birds and this fella had been feeding on berries for 2 miles.Out here off the grid everybodys good with critters becomming dinner,though I did track down the owner of 2 piglets.


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Posted on Tue, Dec 25, 2012 20:53

Quoting Dakota35:

Come on Diane, ... I understand that humor doesn't always show in what we write, but part of what I wrote was meant to be humorous, as the post by Cherokee was so stupid.  I mean, being accused of taking Indian land.  Your just as guilty of that as I.  You're also just as guilt of slavery as I am.  Of course you are not.  So was I just supposed to let it go?  Do you know something I don't?

 

 

 

Oh, and you wouldn't want to see me un-relaxed as I'm not nearly as "politically correct"...I hate that term.  You need better allies as you are way above them.  I wouldn't claim them if I were you. 

 

And yes, I realize that some of what you wrote was joking and you being cute...mixed with?  Kind of like a stun grenade.

 

 

 


 

 

 

 


Dak????
BTW....who are my allies? Seriously, because it pretty much feels to me, like I'm out there swinging alone for the most part.....at least regarding substantive topics. Best I can tell, that is the very first time any of us ever saw this Cherokee Chief person. Is he the only one I 'had'??? Cuz he seems to be gone now.

PS: Your humor came across in the first part of the comment. You have a dry, sarcastic wit....which I tend to like and appreciate in men....especially if they are #1 smart and #2 cute. :)) *wink*



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Posted on Tue, Dec 25, 2012 20:10

Quoting Dakota35:

Come on Diane, ... I understand that humor doesn't always show in what we write, but part of what I wrote was meant to be humorous, as the post by Cherokee was so stupid.  I mean, being accused of taking Indian land.  Your just as guilty of that as I.  You're also just as guilt of slavery as I am.  Of course you are not.  So was I just supposed to let it go?  Do you know something I don't?

 

 

 

Oh, and you wouldn't want to see me un-relaxed as I'm not nearly as "politically correct"...I hate that term.  You need better allies as you are way above them.  I wouldn't claim them if I were you. 

 

And yes, I realize that some of what you wrote was joking and you being cute...mixed with?  Kind of like a stun grenade.

 

 

 


 

 

 

 


Dak~

 In nursing we receive extensive training in ‘Empathy’.  Empathy is defined as the capacity to recognize and acknowledge the feelings that are being experienced by another.  Before you can have compassion for another suffering human being, you must have a certain amount of empathy for them.  We are taught, regardless of how rude or irritating the patient is, it is always worse to be the one experiencing the personal crisis and likely they are doing the best they can, given the circumstances.

 

 Often nurses must witness another’s pain and must do so without judging or blaming.  While a nurse may not approve of everything a patient or their family do…or… may not even like them, she must accept them as struggling human beings in order to deal with them effectively.  Empathy is the basic building block for ethics and ethical conduct towards others.  Practicing empathy, or the lack of, tends to be contagious.  That’s why, in my view, conservative talk radio is such a negative influence on human behavior.

 

 One of the reasons that I favor or admire religious groups to a certain extent, is that it gives humans an identity.  It gives them a group to belong to, which humans must have in order to survive.  (Many may remember my references to how cavemen were able to survive due to the formation of social groups).  However, where some religious groups go off the rail, is when they fail to debate, understand, reform and enact appropriate codes of conduct.  When the group becomes satisfied that they have the answers, they can forget others really do feel the highs and lows of life just as deeply as they do.  A vanity develops which expresses itself with a closed-heartedness and an undervaluing of others…..sometimes towards the weakest and most vulnerable in our society.

I am reminded of a biblical story.  The Pharisees dragged a woman adulterer up to Jesus and asked him what should be done with her, knowing full well that the law was to stone her to death.  Now if any of you don’t know who the Pharisees were, they were the purists that were always sitting in the front of the synagogue being the most pious and Holier than Thou.  These men wanted to trap Jesus.  If He said to let her go….He would be breaking the law.  If He said to stone her….the common people would view Jesus as lacking compassion.  Basically their snickering evil plan was a lose, lose for Jesus.  Now mind you, adultery is a two person act and the law actually states that both adulterers are supposed to be killed….but they only dragged the woman up for judgment!

What did Jesus do????  He said, “He that is without sin, cast the first stone.”  The Pharisees thought for a moment……and then they all left, hopefully to self-examine.

PS:  Interestingly, Jesus did not say, “Thou shalt not kill”….nor did he say the Old Testament laws are no longer valid.  But those are other topics…..I was speaking of empathy here.



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Posted on Tue, Dec 25, 2012 07:26

Quoting Diana3316:

Dak~

Dude!!!  I acknowledge your ire and likely it is justified .....but I am definitely gonna put you on my list for needing relaxing! Hmmmm.....things could be looking up for me! lolol *wink*

 

 


WATCH OUT EVERYONE!!!

 

OUR "ANGEL IN WHITE" MAY BE CUTTING HERSELF LOOSE...

 

AND ALL IN THE NAME OF "RELAXATION!!" 

 

HIDE DAKOTA HIDE!!! 

 

HeeHeeHeeHeeHee~~ (Scooby Laugh!) 



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Posted on Tue, Dec 25, 2012 01:42

Quoting Diana3316:

Dak~

Dude!!!  I acknowledge your ire and likely it is justified .....but I am definitely gonna put you on my list for needing relaxing! Hmmmm.....things could be looking up for me! lolol *wink*

 

 


Come on Diane, ... I understand that humor doesn't always show in what we write, but part of what I wrote was meant to be humorous, as the post by Cherokee was so stupid.  I mean, being accused of taking Indian land.  Your just as guilty of that as I.  You're also just as guilt of slavery as I am.  Of course you are not.  So was I just supposed to let it go?  Do you know something I don't?

 

 

 

Oh, and you wouldn't want to see me un-relaxed as I'm not nearly as "politically correct"...I hate that term.  You need better allies as you are way above them.  I wouldn't claim them if I were you. 

 

And yes, I realize that some of what you wrote was joking and you being cute...mixed with?  Kind of like a stun grenade.

 

 

 


 

 

 

 



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Posted on Tue, Dec 25, 2012 00:15

Dak~

Dude!!!  I acknowledge your ire and likely it is justified .....but I am definitely gonna put you on my list for needing relaxing! Hmmmm.....things could be looking up for me! lolol *wink*

 

 



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Posted on Mon, Dec 24, 2012 14:09

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Dakota 35
Diana knows the truth. Bible thumpers like you that preach " God created man " with all the Begat bu+=s+it , need to answer why Your God Created such degenerates that kill children and rogues like you that stole our land ?.

I believe due to the subject of this blog this in no place to be discussing politics.  But a man should be able to defend himself so let me take a moment to do that.

  

A few days ago several members of this site came to me in private and said "CherokeeChief" had posted this, and that they believed it was a member that had been on the blogs for awhile utilizing another username.  I personally have no idea, but if that is the case then it only shows what a coward he is, like a roach that hides and only comes out at night.

  

First I want to thank all that have defended my character, it is really appreciated.  But with that said, I have to a confession.  You see, many years ago in my workshop I created a time machine.  With this time machine, I went back in time and utilized my superior intellect to steal Indian land (they loved the beads that were made in China).  You can also, blame me for slavery as I did that also (brought them over myself).  And the Jews are going to be pissed because the Hitler thing was me also.  Luckily, I became "Bible thumper" and don't do that sort of thing any longer. Oh geez.

  

Back to being serious.  So I'm a "Bible thumper" well, I wish I were as that would be a good thing.  But the truth is that I haven't been to church in years (don't even have a church), I haven't read my Bible in a long time, and I don't take everything in the Bible literal.  But I know God and Jesus.  So is that a "Bible thumper'?

 

Now, let's talk about the Indian land that I "stole".  I do own some land and it is Indian land.  How do I know?, because it is littered with arrowheads and relics (I've saved all I've found).  The land was given to me by my Grandmother.  But here's where "CherokeeChief" kind of looses his argument.  My Grandmother was large part American Indian.  And years ago my GF did a family tree on my Grandmother's side and found it to be Cherokee.  And my GF was a large part Cherokee herself and guess what, my last GF was Cherokee (at least I think it was Cherokee, the nose usually tells).  I love Indian women because they are so passionate and loyal.  So I have American Indian blood running through my veins.  Which is why, 90% of the property I own is wood land filled with turkey, whitetale, rabbits and a abundance of wildlife.  It is why I do not hunt for sport, It is why I do not cut a tree unless it is dead and a danger.  The environment is very sacred to me and I've literally cleaned hundreds of thousands of pounds of trash up that would otherwise be in our rivers and streams.

 

So "CherokeeChief" do you really want to challenge me on the "stole the Indians land" thing?  If so, lay your cards on the table.  I have a strong love for native Americans, mainly because they are so loyal and passive until they are crossed.  When they are your friend, they are friends for life unless you screw them.  And when they are a enemy, you'd better watch your back. 

 

Also, I've never met a American Indian that wasn't spiritual with a belief that all things have a spirit and after life.  CherokeeChief you need to get a dreamcatcher and hang it above your door as you must be filled with evil spirits. :) 

 

 

 

 

 



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Posted on Sun, Dec 23, 2012 08:39

OMG! I think I recall DAKOTA saying that!! Bwahahahahaha!!!! And now FISHY is calling for ALL politicians!! LINE EM UP!! ;)

 

Yes, we have ALL stated some things we should not have at one time or the other, EVEN THE PRINCESS!! HeeHee~~ BUT... We have managed well over a year now to remain intact and "discuss" things in a mostly respectful manner. I saw where you commented about the niceness and respect and others telling people how to act. Well, I believe we should try and be nice to others and treat respectfully, but I concur. I am tired of being "instructed" on how I should conduct myself, publicly and privately. Just B/C I don't get my panties in a twist or get all riled up over something someone says does not affect my integrity. I am here for fun, to laugh and gather insight from others and hey, if someone gathers a little something from my expressions or insight, that's an added bonus! I'm not here to fight and I've dealt with serious, REAL life matters in my time and honestly, I've learned not to sweat the small stuff. I say what I feel I should say at the moment and then I move on. No sense in beating a dead horse, it has no feeling! 

 

I have been granted a lot of insight from this blog forum, via Christians and non-believers. I recall Lady DI, when we discussed "faking" and you opened my eyes to WHY a woman sometimes maybe SHOULD fake an orgasm. I've utilized your wisdom! LOL... I've learned from the men WHY many prefer a simple meet and greet at a coffee shop versus an elegant dinner, regardless the name of this site. I have come to understanding men on a better level due to listening to what men have written. In fact, there is not one person I haven't gotten some insight from who posts regularly. I just hope everyone channels their negative energy elsewhere and we can get back to sharing one anothers thoughts and continue to grow as individuals. 

 

MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYONE!!!

 

NOW WHERE'S MY PWESENTS!!! ;)


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Posted on Sun, Dec 23, 2012 00:03

Quoting Dakota35:

I actually don't remember using the word "exterminated", that sounds more like a Voyager word.  But if I did, I change my mind...a full Lobotomy will work nicely. :)

 

The belief in God and the fear of God, will keep bad things from happening when the bad things are created by man's own free will.


Yeah you did.  It was back around the same time when you also said it would be fine with you, if "liberals weren’t even born" (contraception debate). My point is that a lot of us say things from time to time that could be viewed as a little rough….even Christians....even Christian princesses....even me!!

 

Us old timers are here because we enjoy engaging in vigorous conversations on current events and other topics that interest us.  For me, I enjoy you Dak….not only because you are a worthy debate partner, but because I enjoy beating your pants off intellectually!!  You know it’s true....because now it seems you think the only way to beat me is if I received a lobotomy!  *laughing gleefully*  oooooweeeee!!!

 

 PS:  I find it interesting, that you state the reason not to do bad things, is because of fear of God's retribution....and not because doing good things is the right thing to do.  I guess I can understand this, because according to the Bible, God has KILLed many many times.

 

 



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Posted on Sat, Dec 22, 2012 07:26

YO JEN! Remember when I said a while back there are several things I really like about you? Well, how you articulate (SOME times.. LOL!) is a HUGE one... 

 

Thanks for defending our "Bible Thumper!" HA! ;)

 

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What FISHY said! 

 

((((FISHY))))

 

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PAT.... So great to see our "Voice of Reason" back!

 

Yes, lets START with ENFORCING LAWS WE ALREADY HAVE IN PLACE!! If you have children that "don't mind" and you continue to place more rules, guess what? THEY STILL DON'T MIND, but you have MORE RULES THEY BREAK!! COMMON SENSE 101.... ;) 



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Posted on Sat, Dec 22, 2012 00:57

Quoting Curious2078:

And the states in this great union that allow carry permits AND open carry are the states that have fewest killings by guns.

 

It's pretty simple to a sane reasonable mind.  Where sane, reasonable, law-abiding citizens are armed, criminals are forewarned and attempt "crimes by gun" less than they do anywhere else.

 

If this sad, sicko, Lanza had not had access to guns through his mother, he would have found some other way to do exactly what he did with guns.  He was brilliant!  He would have made a bomb, or configured some other lethal weapon.  A lack of guns would not have stopped him. 

 

The only thing that would have stopped him was psychological, psychiatric intervention back when this kid was 8 years old.  And even then he would probably not have been stopped unless he had been locked up since he was 8 years old. 

 

I don't know why God allows for mental illness to overtake so many people, but He does.  Maybe He wants us to focus on REAL solutions.  Maybe He's sending us messages we're not listening to very well.  I don't know.  [Shut up, Voyager!!!!!]  Whatever, we need to be focusing more on the effects and results of mental illness and how to fix/cure/save us from those afflicted than we need to be focusing on more gun control.  Especially since so many of the gun control laws currently in effect are NOT being enforced on a regular basis.


  Hi Pat,It's great seeing you just moments before the end of mankind.I understand there will be a survivors party tommorrow somewhere.Hope to see you there.

 

  Your so right about the kid finding other ways to murder.Even Hoping said something about acetone and something.Is the next little piece of caca going to copycat Timothy McVeigh,lets ban farming if that happens.Then we'll ban the next thing that comes up,and we can keep doing that until we're safe.

 

  Our problem is that the wackos Are out there right now.How can we the people recgonize them?Some kids have painted their hair orange already as a fashion statement,1 went to a Batman movie and murdered people.How can we tell which one is next?

 

  The United States has a history of well over 5o Million Veterans.Some of them at the age of 18 were calling in million dollar airstrikes on a daily bases yet they can't be trusted with carrying a gun?We can put them in a $35 million dollor jet armed with the most lethal weapons on the planet earth yet arrest them if they have a gun because the law said no?They now have to watch people die if they're not already dying themselfs.

 

  Train Anyone legal who wants to carry,use safer teflon type ammuntion in cities,around crowds.It is My and Mine alone Duty not to take my shooter into banks,post offices,goverment buildings or any other building that post No Weapons Allowed.That is one very great nono up here.Kind of thing they make an example of you.Cops pull you over?The first words out of your mouth are "Officer,I'm carryng concealed".When it comes time to give it back he might say something like "Thats what I carry when I'm off duty"

 

  We the People,are the first line of defence even if all we do is shoot enough to keep the bad guys pinned down until law enforcement can get there.

 

 


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Posted on Fri, Dec 21, 2012 23:14

Quoting CherokeeChief:

Dakota 35

Diana knows the truth. Bible thumpers like you that preach " God created man " with all the Begat bu+=s+it , need to answer why Your God Created such degenerates that kill children and rogues like you that stole our land ?.



Cherokee, a lot of us have witnessed or been victims of personal bashing on these blogs that should not have happened. I do believe your way of communicating needs to get nipped in the bud. You typed "rogues like you", Dakota is not responsible for anyone taking your land.  Are you mad at all current US citizens who are not native Indians? I sure hope not!  I cannot help what some people did, however wrong, a long time ago. Hatred only poisons the hater. Ever hear of the saying "Resentment is like taking poison and hoping the other guy dies".?

Since Dakota did not quote the Bible , he really cannot be called a Bible Thumper. Freedom of Speeech is a great thing. Let's try to use it respectfully as we can though.

 

As far as God creating degenerates , that is ridiculous. God gave all of Mankind free will. That means that are free to be and do whatever they want. If someone is bad, it is because he/she chose it. Babies are innocent, as they grow up, they may be influenced but ultimately, they choose how they will live their lives.



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Posted on Fri, Dec 21, 2012 21:50

TO ALL~~

 

Please let me see if I can clarify MY THOUGHTS on the T.... 

 

There was a time, long ago, when life really was more like June and Ward than it is now. The "tragic event" was that Eddie, the bad-boy of the neighborhood, had hit the bumper of some old ladies car and didn't fess up to it initially. He went to the Beave's house to speak to Wally and the Beave opened his mouth to Ward and Ward intercepted and Eddie was told to "go home and tell your parents what you've done young man!"  OH MY! WHAT A TANGLED WEB THAT BOY WEAVED! LOL...

 

The point is, we didn't have mass shootings in Elementary schools, bombings in buildings or live with the fear of planes crashing in to our trade centers or hi-jacking of planes...

 

It's kind of like this for me, and DAKOTA, you made an excellent point...  

 

People need "something" to fear... When children "respected" their parents, they didn't get out of line so much. It was a time when "Yes Sir and No Mam" were revered and smart mouthing the elderly (or anyone for that matter) was not tolerated! It was also a time where parents were allowed to spank and not coddle their children and parents were not in fear of beign turned in for child abuse for punishing their children! The abundance of households went to church on Sunday morning and prayed at their nightly meal. The children heard of a Supreme Being named GOD that held them accountable for ALL their actions in the "after fleshly life".... That was where HELL came in.... 

 

In other words, as DAKOTA said... 

 

The belief in God and the fear of God, will keep bad things from happening when the bad things are created by man's own free will.

 

I second your thought here DAKOTA... When I was a child, I feared my Father... I can honestly state, he never beat me,, but I didn't argue with him and knowing I had to face consequences with him should I do anything wrong made me act / react accordingly...

 

CHEROKEE... It is my understanding, at least one tribe would "allow" the children to do something harmful, at least once, in order to learn.. IE: Touch the fire. Their philosophy was one of, "They will only do this once."  All Indians believed in MANY gods.. Gods of moon, sun, stars, etc... Point being, they held RESPECT for whatever god(s) they selected and they "believed." The gods were revered and feared! Indians were very respectful of their surroundings and their children would not misbehave! They haeld severe consequences! THAT'S THE POINT! Whatever "god / God / gods" one chooses, it must be one who rules by LOVE of others. One that does not wish to harm.  (Not one that says fly a plane into buildings and kill youself in the process! THATS what the T-shirt means for me. 

 

Our children must learn RESPECT, and as Ms PAT / CURIOUS stated, this young man surely had emotional issues etc.. that needed to be addressed LONG AGO... And as others and myself have stated, this young man would have found another measure to create such devestation. Had a couple of guns not been so readily available for him, he might have built a bomb and killed hundreds in the wake of his sickness...

 

Hope I made sense here...  

 

And CHEROKEE.. Quit whining about what a bunch of people long ago NONE of us ever knew did to your ancestors so long ago that now that we white people STILL pay for and many of "your people"  benefit from the rewards of our LONG AGO ANCESTORS wrong doings. I swear, it's worse than black people complaining about "slavery." I have yet to meet a slave but many of their DISTANT people who never knew a slave in their lives go around feeling they should "benefit" for something others did long ago... I actually know Indians TODAY, who live off the system and don't have to work due to hundreds of years ago wrong doings and their "Oh wo is me pitiful story.".... It WAS horrible what happened so long ago.. BUT... guess what folks.. WHINING and FEELING SORRY for themselves goes against the true grain of an Indians measure of a man. Indians, (I collect Indian dolls and enjoy studying their heritage) Well, Indians were hard working, very prideful individuals..... and if the ones from long ago when white man stole their land, saw their people whining this late in the game.....  they would grab the nearest road sign and beat them with it and say, "THERE! Now you have something to cry about!" They lived hard lives and busted their azzes just to survive and Indians respected LIFE... AND DEATH! They had no time to complain! If anyone understood "Survival of the fit!" .. it was the TRUE INDIANS!!!!! 

 

I took this pic in Georgia when I was driving down the road. Been on that Highway many times.. Very sad story.... But if there was ONE THING Indians believed in....???  It was GODS...... and they knew better than to jack with them! ;) 


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Posted on Fri, Dec 21, 2012 20:29

Quoting CherokeeChief:

Dakota 35

Diana knows the truth. Bible thumpers like you that preach " God created man " with all the Begat bu+=s+it , need to answer why Your God Created such degenerates that kill children and rogues like you that stole our land ?.


CHEROKEE CHIEF.....

 

WELCOME Newcomer... I must say, not exactly the best intro for you to utilize here, quite frankly, and I do not appreciate your using my forum to demean others who have taken the time and opportunity to speak their thoughts. I will not tolerate this on my blogs. I believe in "free speech," however, I believe in showing a little class and restraint above the right to speak ones' mind. There have been farrrr too many insults lately and I am tired of watching the fireworks. You have not been around, so you are excused, but I am now informing you. 

 

CHEROKEE, I know DAKOTA from blogging and I've even met him, (and several others from here,) in person. He has never been ANYTHING but polite, kind and respectful... Well, maybe that ONE TIME he was a jerk! LOL... DAKOTA merely gave back to Lady DI what she stated in opposition. Just so happens, Lady DI and DAKOTA have a long history of "chatting" on here and have done an excellent job in remaining respectful to one another despite their opposing views. Lady DI holds an ample amount of "style" when addressing others and is accustomed to sharing her views without insult. DAKOTA is a true "gentleman" and knows when to reel the line in. That is what "MOST" of us do around here. There is no need for insults or degrading others. This does not get a point across, it merely fuels an unnecessary fire and I am running out of water!

 

I respect our Lovely Lady DI here and although I too am a Christian like DAKOTA, she and I have had some very insightful conversing regarding religion and politics... and ummmm... MEN! LOL...  I enjoy hearing others views, as hers, and look forward to being enlightened to how other people feel. It would truly serve our writing community here better if you follow the blogs a while and see how people react to matters versus piping in insults with individuals you know nothing about. DI and DAKOTA have held many responsible, intellectual debates and have never left things nasty. Observe and you will view the art of "tasteful debate" and may learn how to handle these situations with "class." I certainly wish a few others would learn this. I am tired of the fighting! 

 

We ARE a very "Forgiving" bunch here, so know that one out of line comment does not blackball you.... nor will I grab stones to throw... We WELCOME you! ;) But I do hope you will take my heart written words here and understand, we all all entertwined in some way, regardless our beliefs, and I just want the nastiness to stop! I will not tolerate it on my blogs. 

 

EVERYONE READING: 

 

Although I am not an advocate of "CENSORSHIP," in light of recent filthiness on the blogs, I will be utilizing my right to ban members from my blogs should they be so rude as to get out of line and start attacking others, regardless of religious, political, or sexual preference. Personally, we have dealt with this far too much lately and personally, I have had enough! The Princess is running out of water! ;)


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Posted on Fri, Dec 21, 2012 12:45

Quoting Diana3316:

Ahhhh....there's my friend!!  :))  I'm happy to see you!  Hmmm....well...at least I think you're my friend....but I seem to remember one time when you said you would be happy if people like me were exterminated.....I guess because of our beliefs.  Well....never the less...I think of you as a friend and enjoy our interactions.  :))  Seriously!

 

Dak, I was not blaming God for man's sins.  I was just trying to point out how meaningless the statement on the T-shirt was.  God's presence doesn't prevent bad things from happening.....whether it be in schools or churches.



I actually don't remember using the word "exterminated", that sounds more like a Voyager word.  But if I did, I change my mind...a full Lobotomy will work nicely. :)

 

The belief in God and the fear of God, will keep bad things from happening when the bad things are created by man's own free will.



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