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Posted on Mon, Jul 15, 2013 21:27

Quoting Curious2078:

I agree about that "cracker" comment. "Cracker" doesn't bother me at all either. 

I have no problem with FL's stand your ground law.  I think it's a good law. 

 

True as true can be that if this had been a black on black crime none of us outside of FL would ever have heard of it.

 

I'm not so sure the question needs to be what does this say about America as the question needs to be :"what does this this say about the media?" 

 

 

 



PAT,

 

Sad fact: You are CORRECT... If this had been a black man shooting a black boy in a neighborhood, NO ONE would have heard about it.. Funny that ZIMMER isn't even white!!

 

I do not hold issue with any "stand your ground" laws.. 

 

I hold issue with the fact we can't walk down a neighborhood and if someone doesn't recognise us, calls us out making us respond... 

 

And YES, THE MEDIA!!! It's SCUM!!! They do not print proper information.. That's exactly why I posted how big/little the boy was... One article reads 140, anther 200 lbs at 6'2"!! 

 



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Posted on Mon, Jul 15, 2013 18:43

Quoting Curious2078:

And I would not have attacked Zimmerman.  I would have been respectful, had a nice conversation, swallowed my pride if need be, and moved on.

 

I think Trayvon went beserk.  Saw the whole issue as a racial issue; decided to attack.  He was much stronger than the mushy bodied Zimmerman; thought he could overpower him, and attacked.  That's when the real story begins, in my opinion.

 

Trayvon acted like a bloody Neanderthal.  End of story.  Now he's dead.  Too bad.  I feel for his parents.  But not much for Trayvon himself.  He acted like a bigoted, prejudiced against "whites" [since Zimmerman apparently appeared to be white--at least he appeared to be other than Black] kid with an ax to grind.  End of story as far as I'm concerned.

 

And while I don't think much of Zimmerman as a "man," I hope and pray he can find a way to go on living in a state of something less than fear.  The man may have to be put into Witness Protection to go on with his life.  Very sad all in all indeed.

 

 



OH My, PAT, this is more a rarity for us... We typically align fairly well...

 

My thoughts on your thoughts?

 

TRUTH IS PAT---

 

We DON'T know WHO hit first??? NO ONE saw the first blow, they only saw that TRAYVON had the upper hand. 

 

But, if we FOLLOW THE "PATTERN OF AGGRESSION," 

 

chances denote ZIMMER struck first. 

His personality in the past with his over 40 911 calls, as well as his behaviors that night show:

 

ZIMMER 

1) Followed the boy

2) Dialed 911

3) Followed him AFTER alerting authorities

4) Got out of his truck after being told this was not a wise move

5) Approached the boy

 

NOWHERE in those case of events does it shed light as MARTIN being the aggrassive one... 

 

I am curious... 

 

WHY would you consider the whole thing "began" AFTER ZIMMER approached the boy? 

To me, that is like saying if you walk my street and I don't recognise you, (BTW.. The neighborhood of Twin Lakes? 40% BLACK...) 

 

Well, that is like saying, if I see you walking around my apartment complex and I do not recognise you, I have EVERY RIGHT to approach you and asked you "What the hell you are doing here?" 

 

Guess what? I do NOT have that right.. YOU have the right to privacy and everyone is to leave you be unless we see you comitting a crime. 

 

It is very sad, and I do think it is in ZIMMERS best interest of his family to go into witness protection... He was an over-zealous hot head with a gun... who had previously been in an altercation w/ a cop as well as had an ex put a restraining order on him for VIOLENCE!! (He only got one on her to retaliate against her for her getting one on him... which displays his VINDICTIVE nature!) 

Once again, 

REPUBLICANS FAILED US!!

 

The POWERS THAT BE FIGHTING TO KEEP GUN RIGHTS SHOULD BE SCREAMING AT THE TOP OF THEIR LUNGS SAYING, 

"Following someone, calling the cops, then approaching the same individual you just notified the cops of, only to lead this individual to believe you are stalking them, or placing them in harm's way which ends in an altercation with them does NOT dictate a person having the right to pull out a gun and shooting someone to their death! THIS IS NOT WHAT STAND YOUR GROUND MEANS!!!" 

 

STAND YOUR GROUND MEANS---- 

If someone is using DEADLY FORCE against you, and is trying to KILL YOU, you may use whatever means available to KILL THEM FIRST!

 

Looking at ZIMMERS "scratches," and YES, he had SCRATCHES for God sakes.. (HAVE NONE OF YOU EVER BEEN IN A FIGHT OR PUNCHED BY A MAN!)

 

Looking at his SCRATCES, he was not beat within an inch of his life and was nowhere near being beat within an inch of his life!

 

I am FOR gun rights----- ALL gun rights!!!

 

But when a man is not even hit hard enough in the face to leave BLACK EYES, (when someone hits your nose hard, GUESS WHAT? Your eyes turn black, and he said the punch in the nose was the first punch!! )

Then you havent been hit hard enough to pull out a gun!!

 

Fact is:

 

Those "Do-Gooder" NAACP guys got involved MAKING IT RACIALLY MOTIVATED----

And the GUN RIGHT Activist got involved making it about "PROTECTION,"

 

AND EVERYBODY MISSED THE POINT!!  

 

This ISN'T a POLITICAL DEBATE!!

 

Its about a MINOR CHILD who had just turned 17 only days before, being CONFRONTED by a man HOLDING NO AUTHORITY WHATSOEVER TO CONFRONT HIM.

 

Had ZIMMER followed the letter of the law and respected this CHILD'S RIGHT to walk in the neighborhood not commiting harm to ANYONE,

WE WOULDN'T BE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION!

COLOUR and GUNS have no bearing here, but BOTH SIDES have stated otherwise...

And WHY?  

B/C everybody has their head up their azz and is turning one man's POOR DECISION MAKING into a POLITICAL AGENDA!!!! 

 

Know what a face looks like when somene has the upper hand on you? 

This lady's face is much like what mine has looked like before---

and guess what?

I LIVED TO TELL ABOUT IT! 

 


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Posted on Mon, Jul 15, 2013 17:35

My 15 year old is 6'6" and appears to be a grown man.  As a mother of a boy who's been in trouble, been in fights and generally experienmented with pot, had my son been the topic of conversation I would not poke a finger at an individual that responded as Zimmerman did.

As a Brown Belt, anytime you initiate a conflict you must assume that you've poked a hornets nest.  A resonable person without a predispositioned to fight, would have raised hell VERBALLY and confronted the person following them without physical contact.  The boy made a fatal mistake and took his mentality using justified violence to resolving his issue with Zimmerman and his choices got him killed.  WOULD ANY OF US AS PARENTS TELL OUR CHILD THEY HAD A RIGHT TO JUMP SOMEONE AND PUMMEL THEM BECAUSE THEY WERE ANNOYED?  I feel for the parents, I do.  I pray my son will make better choices, as it is a miricle that my son hasn't made a stupid choice as of yet that could be just as tragic.

No one wants to hurt a child, there's no "Season on Black Male Children" and it's horrifying anyone would say such a thing.

 



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Posted on Mon, Jul 15, 2013 17:13

Quoting Dakota35:

The problem is that neither person was breaking the law.  It was legal for both to be out in a public area.  Zimmerman may very well wanted to be a cop and been over zealous (not against the law).  He should have not followed Trayvon (hindsight is 20/20) but by choosing to follow he did not break the law.  Nor did he break the law to question why Trayvon was in the area.  It was Zimmerman's concern since he lived in that area and he was part of the neighborhood watch.  But he should have let the real police do their job (but as we know the real police don't always get there in time).  I've broken up robberies and waited 20 min. on the cops to show. 

 

Now this is what I believe happened and why I think it was a unfortunate tragedy set off by a chain of events.  Zimmerman wanted to be a cop.  He wanted to catch the person that had been breaking into neighbors homes.  It was probably part of a ego, "I want to be the hero" thing.  Trayvon, was a young man, rather tall (much bigger than Zimmerman).  He had youth and testosterone flowing through his veins.  Someone was following him.  He probably thought, I'm going to beat the crap out of this dude if he doesn't stop following me.  So when Zimmerman confronted Trayvon, Trayvon punched him, then jumped on top.  Zimmerman pulled out a gun and shot Trayvon, not realizing he was so young.  Actually, I don't think Zimmerman pulled a gun out, I think he had it in his hand and the gun and his hand in his pocket. It just makes sense. 

 

So just a tragedy.  But, do I believe that Zimmerman followed Trayvon with the intent to kill, NO.  Do I believe Zimmerman is sorry for what happened, now knowing the truth, Yes.  The guy has gained a huge amount of weight.  Did Zimmerman break the law by following, NO.  Was Zimmerman within his rights to defend himself, Yes.  Of course we really don't know what happened that night.  But it seems to be the general consensus that Trayvon physically attacked first.  If that is true, then Zimmerman was within his legal rights.

 

I was once young (I think) and I know exactly how it feels when the testosterone levels are sky high.  It gives a invincible feeling.  It can also get a young man in a huge amount of trouble.

 

Lastly you said; "Do I think the boy attacked him? I think the boy didn't know why this strange man was following him and approaching him, so yes, I'm sure he probably did. I'd attack a man doing this to me as well!"  Most people ,if given the chance, do not attack someone that is following them, they run and try to get away.  Attacks usually occur when someone is  cornered and not given a choice.  Even as strong as I am and I feel very secure in defending myself, I would have ran or if someone had questioned me, I would have answered from a distance.  I'm wise enough to know that even the smallest of people can pull the trigger of a gun, doesn't matter if I can defend myself or not.  I'm going to try to get away first. 

 

There are no winners in such a horrible tragedy.  Everyone has their opinion on guilty or not.  Truth is, that none of us were on the jury.  The jury has made it's decision.  We have to live with that decision.  We all want the justice system to be perfect and it isn't always.  We have to trust that the men and women on that jury after hearing everything, made the correct decision. 

 

PS  I've also experience the "John Wayne Syndrome" cop, and he threatened to take me to jail.  He shut up after two other officers came on the scene and sided with me.  I hated cops that night, then the next night I ran into a lady cop that was so nice and helpful.  So you just have to know your rights and take cops on a individual bases.  I agree, there are plenty of bad cops...they think they are above the citizens and get a power-trip out of their position of authority.



BREAKING YOUR THOUGHTS DOWN:

 

Trayvon was defintiely NOT breaking ANY laws.. Now ZIMMER, well, had I been on the jury, I would have asked ONE MAIN QUESTION....

 

"WHAT was ZIMMER's REASONING in approaching an individual he felt was NOT to be in the area? He had alerted the police." Does he hold a lack for policing authority? As if they are incapable of doing their job?

 

I recognise a 911 operator holds NO authority to "order" anyone to do anything, but, the 911 operator did say, "We don't need you to follow him." So WHY did HE choose to approach the boy after he already stated he was in the truck?" 

 

This took several movements AND a "thought process." 

THE INCIDENT OCCURRED FAR AWAY FROM THE TRUCK, WHICH LEAVES ANY HALF BRAIN INDIVIDUAL TO DEDUCE ZIMMER APPROACHED MARTIN.

 

WHY???????? 

 

I am allowed to walk anywhere I want so long as there are not signs posted stating NO TRESPASSING... NO ONE has the "RIGHT" to come to me and question me as I am ALLOWED the liberty to enjoy my life in "QUIET ENJOYMENT!" <------ THAT is the LAW!!! Even a COP needs to have sufficient reason to address me, just as they need probable cause to search my vehicle.

 

So NO DAKOTA, you are NOT allowed to just walk up to someone you don't know and start infringing on their PRIVACY RIGHTS...

 

I have the right to come to your neighborhood and walk the street f I so choose, and you do not have the right to infringe on my privacy about it. My guess? ZIMMER asked him WHY he was in the neighbrhood, they argued and SOMEONE threw the first punch. Just so happened, as with many "bully" type individuals, ZIMMERS bark was much worse than his bite! 

 

I do NOT FOR ONE SECOND BELIEVE THAT KID TOLD ZIMMER HE WAS GOING TO DIE THAT NIGHT, NOR DO I THINK HE EVER SAW THE GUN! "THUGS" that know the streets are ALREADY PACKIN, and are not walking to the store to get candy and a tea! 

 

Further, the Provisions in the STATE OF FLORIDA call for RIGHT OF PRIVACY, EVEN FOR MINORS---

 

To define "Right of Privacy," one must use a reasonable cause to invade another. In Florida there are tort laws, one consisting of "Intrusion upon seclusion" whereas minors and adults HAVE THE RIGHT TO BE LEFT ALONE!

 

ON THIS PREMISE ALONE, I WANT TO KNOW WHY ZIMMERMAN APPROACHED THE BOY? 

 

THAT is the REAL issue behind ALL of this.

 

Let's say, ZIMMER had NOT approached the boy; the cops may or may not have found him walking back home, with a bag of skittles and an Arizona tea in his hand... He had just turned 17 about a week before. My guess is, had a UNFRMED AUTHORITIVE FIGURE approached him, he'd have stated he went to store, shown his goodies and said, "Yeah, we're watching the game!" 

 

WHY did ZIMMER NOT take the stand? 

Because most "guilty" defendents usually don't! It isn't in their best interest... and they too, have the "RIGHT" to their "privacy." 



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Posted on Mon, Jul 15, 2013 17:08

Quoting Dakota35:

Hey Pat,

I also feel very sorry for Trayvon's parents.  I feel sorry for Trayvon also because he just made the wrong decision.  As for Trayvon being a bigot and prejudice against white...I don't really know.  Just because he referred to Zimmerman as a cracker, in my opinion, doesn't make him a bigot. (perhaps you know something I don't?)  Me being from the south, people use terms that they've grown up hearing and many time are just words.  I think it is hilarious when I'm called a cracker...I've been called a lot worst.  In fact my Mexican brother calls me all manner of names...including cracker, and I return the favor. 

 

Zimmerman screwed up by following Trayvon, but we must remember that Zimmerman was part of the neighborhood watch. (key word, "watch")  He had a reason for being out and in the area.  And being out isn't against the law.  The law was broken first by Trayvon when he assaulted Zimmerman.  Zimmerman was within his rights to use deadly force.  And FL has the "stand your ground" law which I have mixed opinion about.  When looking at this purely from a legal standpoint, this trial should have never been brought to court.  The public forced the prosecutors to bring charges.  They were in fear of public unrest.  Now, I predict there will be lawsuits brought against the state costing the tax payers more money.

 

If Zimmerman had been a black man, this would have hit the FL news and the rest of the country would have never heard about it.  What does that say about America?  I have very little faith things will change.

 



I agree about that "cracker" comment. "Cracker" doesn't bother me at all either. 

I have no problem with FL's stand your ground law.  I think it's a good law. 

 

True as true can be that if this had been a black on black crime none of us outside of FL would ever have heard of it.

 

I'm not so sure the question needs to be what does this say about America as the question needs to be :"what does this this say about the media?" 

 

 

 



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Posted on Mon, Jul 15, 2013 15:32

rmac -

A defendant is guaranteed a jury of his peers. What you seem to be asking is for the victim to have racial representation on a jury.

 

Diana - while appalling, none of that stuff is relevant to this case. Since your first sentence decries the demonization of defendants, not sure where you're going with this



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Posted on Mon, Jul 15, 2013 13:00

INJURIES:

 

According to the CORONER'S REPORT----

 

MARTIN  had a very small cut by his finger.... (see BOTTOM of picture)

AND NO OTHER INJURIES... (--- other than fatal shot)

 

Was Martin left handed? I find it curious his tiny injury was on LEFT hand, as most right handed males lead while punching with their right hand. 

 

 


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Posted on Mon, Jul 15, 2013 12:37

Although I cannot find a complete reliable source for ZIMMERMAN's EXACT weight at shooting, I do have a photo of him days after which would establish he is not of a smaller frame build, but more a med to large frame build. 

 

 

 

I have seen 2 police data (in articles- therefore NOT PROOF!!) but they stated 5'9" and 5'8"... so giving him the 5'8", medium frame, he would belong around the same weight as Martin... (I did see articles claiming he was 185-195, but I don't go by "news media.") 

 

 

 

If someone knows PROOF of his EXACT weight / height, feel free to SHOW PROOF. But I establish them around same weight, with Martin being about 3 inches taller. I dont like the BS chatter, as I have heard Martin was 6'2" and 200 lbs.. NOT TRUE.. I deal with facts!

 

 

 

This is the closest FULL BODY shot I could find of ZIMMER around time of shooting... He is clearly nowhere near the weight he is now. Just looks "normal, medium framed man."



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Posted on Mon, Jul 15, 2013 11:05

LET'S RELOOK AT THE FACTS: (We can have our own little JURY here.. LOL)

I will play BOTH sides of the fence...

 

 

NOTHING BUT FACTS HERE ON OUT--- 

 

FACTS: Trayvon Martin Height and Weight from Official Coroner Report... (just hours after DEATH) 

 

The "KID" <---- *(Sorry folks, not trying to "sway" the JURY here, but he BY LAW, WAS a minor and had just seen his 17th birthday.... )

 

was 71 inches tall and weighed 158 lbs.... 

12 X 6 = 72 inches... 

 

This makes him UNDER 6' tall and weighs LESS or AVERAGE of most WOMEN reading this.... 

 

LIFESTRONG: According to the CDC, as of the time period 1999 to 2002, non-Hispanic white women weighed between 158 and 161.7 pounds, black women weighed between 176.6 and 182.4 pounds and Mexican-American women weighed between 150.7 and 157.1 pounds.

 

So, let's just CLARIFY the kid's Height / Weight FIRST for all those curious... 

 

UNDER 6' / UNDER 160 POUNDS

 


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Posted on Mon, Jul 15, 2013 11:03

Diana, I like your response better than mine. 

 

RMac



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Posted on Mon, Jul 15, 2013 11:00

Hi Dakota,

 

 

Maybe the jury should follow the law, but the truth is once they go back into their deliberations they are the law.  They may try their best to follow the rules as laid out by the judge, but often (and maybe always) emotions play a huge part in the decision. 

 

 

Racism was a part of this from the get go.  It just seems strange that no black persons were on the jury.  If they feel they were not fairly represented by their peers I would not blame them. 

 

 

Why might I have gone back to beat the crap out of him?  I might not have, I was generally pretty respectful of adults.   So, had he been behaving in a non-threatening way I likely would have given him the benefit of the doubt and listened to his story. 

 

 

However if he had scared the crap out of me, followed me with no cause and no uniform, and chased me with a motor vehicle.  I might have confronted him and if his identity was not forthcoming quickly enough I might have decked him. 

 

 

Why?  When I was in grade school I was always the youngest in my class.  Everyone was a year older.  My kindergarten year was uneventful.  My teacher loved me and my older brother was at the same facility.  No one dared touch me. 

 

 

My older brother went on to high school the following year.  Different teacher.  I was bullied by everyone.  It did not stop until I could hit the meanest of the lot harder than he could hit me.  This happened maybe as early as the second grade.   Running away had pretty much been erased from my options.

 

 

So, I don’t know, I might have decked him.  I would not have jumped on top of him. 

 

 

Today I am saner than last night.  Tomorrow, no promises.

 

 

 

RMac
 

 



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Posted on Mon, Jul 15, 2013 04:09

Quoting Curious2078:

And I would not have attacked Zimmerman.  I would have been respectful, had a nice conversation, swallowed my pride if need be, and moved on.

 

I think Trayvon went beserk.  Saw the whole issue as a racial issue; decided to attack.  He was much stronger than the mushy bodied Zimmerman; thought he could overpower him, and attacked.  That's when the real story begins, in my opinion.

 

Trayvon acted like a bloody Neanderthal.  End of story.  Now he's dead.  Too bad.  I feel for his parents.  But not much for Trayvon himself.  He acted like a bigoted, prejudiced against "whites" [since Zimmerman apparently appeared to be white--at least he appeared to be other than Black] kid with an ax to grind.  End of story as far as I'm concerned.

 

And while I don't think much of Zimmerman as a "man," I hope and pray he can find a way to go on living in a state of something less than fear.  The man may have to be put into Witness Protection to go on with his life.  Very sad all in all indeed.

 

 



Hey Pat,

I also feel very sorry for Trayvon's parents.  I feel sorry for Trayvon also because he just made the wrong decision.  As for Trayvon being a bigot and prejudice against white...I don't really know.  Just because he referred to Zimmerman as a cracker, in my opinion, doesn't make him a bigot. (perhaps you know something I don't?)  Me being from the south, people use terms that they've grown up hearing and many time are just words.  I think it is hilarious when I'm called a cracker...I've been called a lot worst.  In fact my Mexican brother calls me all manner of names...including cracker, and I return the favor. 

 

Zimmerman screwed up by following Trayvon, but we must remember that Zimmerman was part of the neighborhood watch. (key word, "watch")  He had a reason for being out and in the area.  And being out isn't against the law.  The law was broken first by Trayvon when he assaulted Zimmerman.  Zimmerman was within his rights to use deadly force.  And FL has the "stand your ground" law which I have mixed opinion about.  When looking at this purely from a legal standpoint, this trial should have never been brought to court.  The public forced the prosecutors to bring charges.  They were in fear of public unrest.  Now, I predict there will be lawsuits brought against the state costing the tax payers more money.

 

If Zimmerman had been a black man, this would have hit the FL news and the rest of the country would have never heard about it.  What does that say about America?  I have very little faith things will change.

 



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Posted on Mon, Jul 15, 2013 03:30

Quoting rmac22:

Dakota, what you say is reasonable, logical, rational and all of that.  Tonight I am none of that.  I don't blame the jury -- lousy work with too little information. 

 

 

Sadly, being a damn fool is not against the law.  I don't suppose it should be, but just as being a lousy driver can result in vehicular manslaughter.  So too, being a damn fool that results in a death ought to result in damn fool manslaughter. 

 

 

The jury had that option.  I think he should have had to serve at least a little time beyond what little time he has served.  

 

 

I don't blame the boy for wanting to go back and beat the crap out of him.  If I were his age I am not at all sure I would not have done the same thing.

 

 

We need to better protect our kids from vigilante idiots. 

 

 

The prosecution should have held out for at least a few black women who had teen age sons.  At minimum at least a few black people period.  No doubt they could not have gotten them past the defense. 

 

 

Tomorrow I might return to sanity.

 

 

 

RMac

 


 

 

Hi RMac,

The jury must follow the law.  As you stated it is not against the law to be a fool.  If it were we would need to build a few more prisons.  People keep bringing race into this, this in not about race.  Despite Trayvon using racial slang, it is still not about race.  "A few black women on the jury with teen age sons", Why?  So they would not see the law but see their own son in Trayvon and convict a man base on their emotions?  We must make a decision, do we follow the law, our emotions, or public opinion?

 

I admire Trayvon's parent with what they tweeted.  They are apparently strong Christians.  I'm sure they tried hard to raise Trayvon in a Christian home, even though they were divorced.  Trayvon was a young man that had already been in trouble.  You can look up his troubles as I'm not about to down someone that is no longer here.

 

If someone was following you, why would you go back and beat the crap out of them?  If you go back and do such, then it would be you that is looking for trouble.  And we see the result of such action.  What if Trayvon had decided to just run or walk away?  Do you think Zimmerman would have ran after him firing a gun?  17 y.o. are at that age between teen and man, hormones are raging, he had something to prove.  Zimmerman was just a idiot trying to be the neighborhood hero.  Which set off a chain of unfortunate events.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 



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Posted on Mon, Jul 15, 2013 00:05

It seems curious that black men are so often profiled as monsters, but never allowed to be the ones afraid of monsters!  How does a lone 17 year old black kid walking done the street, just trying to get home, become the scary one?

 

Let's take a closer look at George Zimmerman’s Criminal History.  As a Child up to his late teens, for a decade, he is accused by his female cousin of sexually molesting her beginning when she was 6 years old.  As an Adult, physically abused his Ex-Wife; she had a Restraining Order against him and later the Charges were dropped.  He assaulted a Police Officer and interfered when the Officer was arresting one of his friends at a Bar.  He had to take Anger Management Courses and later those Charges were once again dropped.  Now he Stalked and Killed an Unarmed 17 year old child after he disobeyed the 911 Operator's instructions not to follow. 

 

He also admitted to Police that night that he was taking Prescription Drugs Xanex and Adderall, which are known to cause "worsening mental or mood problems (eg, aggression, anxiety, delusions, depression, hallucination, hostility) and also Temazepam which can cause hyperhydrosis, hypotension, burning eyes, changes in libido, hallucinations.  The Jury wasn't allowed to hear this and they let him walk.

 

Note:  Marijuana has no side effects such as aggression or agitation.  It should also be noted that the level in Trayvon’s blood was well below the level for impairment.

 

All his life, because of the status of his Father, who was a Judge and his Mother and Uncle who also work in the Courts, Zimmerman has able to get away with crimes that would have had anyone else behind bars or at least with a Criminal Record which would have disallowed him from possessing a Gun Legally.  His crimes have escalated from Molester to Wife Beater to Assaulting Police Officers to now Murder and once again he is getting away with it. 

 

The Criminal Case is over, but the way Zimmerman has been escalating his crimes and been allowed to get away with them, time will tell when he will once again commit another crime.  George Zimmerman is a Serial Criminal.

 

The dignity in which the Martin family has conducted themselves throughout this horrible ordeal is nothing short of extraordinary.  I just can’t believe that this could happen like this. 



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Dakota, what you say is reasonable, logical, rational and all of that.  Tonight I am none of that.  I don't blame the jury -- lousy work with too little information. 

 

 

Sadly, being a damn fool is not against the law.  I don't suppose it should be, but just as being a lousy driver can result in vehicular manslaughter.  So too, being a damn fool that results in a death ought to result in damn fool manslaughter. 

 

 

The jury had that option.  I think he should have had to serve at least a little time beyond what little time he has served.  

 

 

I don't blame the boy for wanting to go back and beat the crap out of him.  If I were his age I am not at all sure I would not have done the same thing.

 

 

We need to better protect our kids from vigilante idiots. 

 

 

The prosecution should have held out for at least a few black women who had teen age sons.  At minimum at least a few black people period.  No doubt they could not have gotten them past the defense. 

 

 

Tomorrow I might return to sanity.

 

 

 

RMac

 



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Posted on Sun, Jul 14, 2013 17:14

Quoting Hoping4Love2000:

Hey DAKOTA---

 

 

 

I did not view much of the trial, but I am from that area, the crime itself being about 20 minutes from where I lived; so the entire incident hit me pretty hard. Being a mother with children close to that age, did not help my emotions either..

 

 

 

So while I sit in no position to say GUILTY or NOT GUILTY, as I only watched fragments of the trial, I DO wish everyone involved PEACE and HEALING...  

 

 

 

The only opinon I feel I have the "right" to state is this:

 

 

 

Zimmerman was in school to be a cop.. and was known by 911 to make many, many phone calls to them. (Over-zealous?) For whatever occured that night, his aggressive actions, (and I say this due to fact HE approached the young man, as by brilliant blonde deduction, he was in his vehicle he stated, and then suddenly he was where the boy was..)

 

 

 

Well, I HAVE experienced what is known in the police force as "John Wayne Syndrome" for "officers" who are a little "too big for their britches"... 

 

and now we have someone, a CHILD, DEAD..... 

 

 

 

He wasn't an officer, he wasn't in uniform, and was in no position of authority to approach that boy--- The boy was walking, not breaking in some place.

 

Well, I pray that man never resides with a badge in hand...  granting him an even stronger license to shoot.. 

 

Do I think the boy attacked him? I think the boy didn't know why this strange man was following him and approaching him, so yes, I'm sure he probably did. I'd attack a man doing this to me as well! The LARGEST part of an officer's obligation and duty is in to ASSESS THE SITUATION AND PROCEED WITH CAUTION.. 

 

2 MAJOR factors I feel Zimmerman failed to do... 

 

And I don't need to see a trial to comprehend this. 

 

HE'D MAKE A "BAD COP!" And we have enough of them! 



And I would not have attacked Zimmerman.  I would have been respectful, had a nice conversation, swallowed my pride if need be, and moved on.

 

I think Trayvon went beserk.  Saw the whole issue as a racial issue; decided to attack.  He was much stronger than the mushy bodied Zimmerman; thought he could overpower him, and attacked.  That's when the real story begins, in my opinion.

 

Trayvon acted like a bloody Neanderthal.  End of story.  Now he's dead.  Too bad.  I feel for his parents.  But not much for Trayvon himself.  He acted like a bigoted, prejudiced against "whites" [since Zimmerman apparently appeared to be white--at least he appeared to be other than Black] kid with an ax to grind.  End of story as far as I'm concerned.

 

And while I don't think much of Zimmerman as a "man," I hope and pray he can find a way to go on living in a state of something less than fear.  The man may have to be put into Witness Protection to go on with his life.  Very sad all in all indeed.

 

 



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Posted on Sun, Jul 14, 2013 04:50

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ZIMMERMAN FOUND NOT GUILTY!!!

 

Hope there are no riots...

 

And regardless anyone's views, I hope no one seeks retaliation on ZIMMERMAN.. Our Justice system remains very flawed; but, it is one we must abide by.

 

May Trayvon's parent's find PEACE, regardless of any truths that may or may not be reflected in this verdict...



One other thing...Why should there be riots???  I mean really? Why?  I understand why you said it...but if there were riots then they would only be racially motivate riots, which would be wrong.  It's time people start viewing people as people, and in this case not black and brown.  It's just stupid.  If this had been a African American man and a African American young boy, would there be a question of riots?  If this were a Hispanic man and a Hispanic young boy, would there be riots?  It angers me to no end how people can pull racism out of such a tragedy. It is BS!!!  Then everyone is afraid to debate the whole event with worries that they will be seen as a racist.  BS again.  State why you believe what you believe without allowing race to come into it.  If you cannot do that, then it is you (I'm using "you" as a general term and not specifically pointing at anyone) that is a racist.

 

Racism extist and it is wrong.  It exist among every ethnicity and even among same ethnicities.  No one is allowed to choose which ethnicity to which they are born.  We can only chose how we conduct ourselves in life and how we treat our fellow man.

 

Sorry for the rant, but I'm just sick of race coming into everything.  How can we ever evolve if race is always a factor?  

 

 

 

 



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Posted on Sun, Jul 14, 2013 04:17

Quoting Hoping4Love2000:

Hey DAKOTA---

 

 

 

I did not view much of the trial, but I am from that area, the crime itself being about 20 minutes from where I lived; so the entire incident hit me pretty hard. Being a mother with children close to that age, did not help my emotions either..

 

 

 

So while I sit in no position to say GUILTY or NOT GUILTY, as I only watched fragments of the trial, I DO wish everyone involved PEACE and HEALING...  

 

 

 

The only opinon I feel I have the "right" to state is this:

 

 

 

Zimmerman was in school to be a cop.. and was known by 911 to make many, many phone calls to them. (Over-zealous?) For whatever occured that night, his aggressive actions, (and I say this due to fact HE approached the young man, as by brilliant blonde deduction, he was in his vehicle he stated, and then suddenly he was where the boy was..)

 

 

 

Well, I HAVE experienced what is known in the police force as "John Wayne Syndrome" for "officers" who are a little "too big for their britches"... 

 

and now we have someone, a CHILD, DEAD..... 

 

 

 

He wasn't an officer, he wasn't in uniform, and was in no position of authority to approach that boy--- The boy was walking, not breaking in some place.

 

Well, I pray that man never resides with a badge in hand...  granting him an even stronger license to shoot.. 

 

Do I think the boy attacked him? I think the boy didn't know why this strange man was following him and approaching him, so yes, I'm sure he probably did. I'd attack a man doing this to me as well! The LARGEST part of an officer's obligation and duty is in to ASSESS THE SITUATION AND PROCEED WITH CAUTION.. 

 

2 MAJOR factors I feel Zimmerman failed to do... 

 

And I don't need to see a trial to comprehend this. 

 

HE'D MAKE A "BAD COP!" And we have enough of them! 



The problem is that neither person was breaking the law.  It was legal for both to be out in a public area.  Zimmerman may very well wanted to be a cop and been over zealous (not against the law).  He should have not followed Trayvon (hindsight is 20/20) but by choosing to follow he did not break the law.  Nor did he break the law to question why Trayvon was in the area.  It was Zimmerman's concern since he lived in that area and he was part of the neighborhood watch.  But he should have let the real police do their job (but as we know the real police don't always get there in time).  I've broken up robberies and waited 20 min. on the cops to show. 

 

Now this is what I believe happened and why I think it was a unfortunate tragedy set off by a chain of events.  Zimmerman wanted to be a cop.  He wanted to catch the person that had been breaking into neighbors homes.  It was probably part of a ego, "I want to be the hero" thing.  Trayvon, was a young man, rather tall (much bigger than Zimmerman).  He had youth and testosterone flowing through his veins.  Someone was following him.  He probably thought, I'm going to beat the crap out of this dude if he doesn't stop following me.  So when Zimmerman confronted Trayvon, Trayvon punched him, then jumped on top.  Zimmerman pulled out a gun and shot Trayvon, not realizing he was so young.  Actually, I don't think Zimmerman pulled a gun out, I think he had it in his hand and the gun and his hand in his pocket. It just makes sense. 

 

So just a tragedy.  But, do I believe that Zimmerman followed Trayvon with the intent to kill, NO.  Do I believe Zimmerman is sorry for what happened, now knowing the truth, Yes.  The guy has gained a huge amount of weight.  Did Zimmerman break the law by following, NO.  Was Zimmerman within his rights to defend himself, Yes.  Of course we really don't know what happened that night.  But it seems to be the general consensus that Trayvon physically attacked first.  If that is true, then Zimmerman was within his legal rights.

 

I was once young (I think) and I know exactly how it feels when the testosterone levels are sky high.  It gives a invincible feeling.  It can also get a young man in a huge amount of trouble.

 

Lastly you said; "Do I think the boy attacked him? I think the boy didn't know why this strange man was following him and approaching him, so yes, I'm sure he probably did. I'd attack a man doing this to me as well!"  Most people ,if given the chance, do not attack someone that is following them, they run and try to get away.  Attacks usually occur when someone is  cornered and not given a choice.  Even as strong as I am and I feel very secure in defending myself, I would have ran or if someone had questioned me, I would have answered from a distance.  I'm wise enough to know that even the smallest of people can pull the trigger of a gun, doesn't matter if I can defend myself or not.  I'm going to try to get away first. 

 

There are no winners in such a horrible tragedy.  Everyone has their opinion on guilty or not.  Truth is, that none of us were on the jury.  The jury has made it's decision.  We have to live with that decision.  We all want the justice system to be perfect and it isn't always.  We have to trust that the men and women on that jury after hearing everything, made the correct decision. 

 

PS  I've also experience the "John Wayne Syndrome" cop, and he threatened to take me to jail.  He shut up after two other officers came on the scene and sided with me.  I hated cops that night, then the next night I ran into a lady cop that was so nice and helpful.  So you just have to know your rights and take cops on a individual bases.  I agree, there are plenty of bad cops...they think they are above the citizens and get a power-trip out of their position of authority.



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Posted on Sat, Jul 13, 2013 22:38

Hey DAKOTA---

 

 

 

I did not view much of the trial, but I am from that area, the crime itself being about 20 minutes from where I lived; so the entire incident hit me pretty hard. Being a mother with children close to that age, did not help my emotions either..

 

 

 

So while I sit in no position to say GUILTY or NOT GUILTY, as I only watched fragments of the trial, I DO wish everyone involved PEACE and HEALING...  

 

 

 

The only opinon I feel I have the "right" to state is this:

 

 

 

Zimmerman was in school to be a cop.. and was known by 911 to make many, many phone calls to them. (Over-zealous?) For whatever occured that night, his aggressive actions, (and I say this due to fact HE approached the young man, as by brilliant blonde deduction, he was in his vehicle he stated, and then suddenly he was where the boy was..)

 

 

 

Well, I HAVE experienced what is known in the police force as "John Wayne Syndrome" for "officers" who are a little "too big for their britches"... 

 

and now we have someone, a CHILD, DEAD..... 

 

 

 

He wasn't an officer, he wasn't in uniform, and was in no position of authority to approach that boy--- The boy was walking, not breaking in some place.

 

Well, I pray that man never resides with a badge in hand...  granting him an even stronger license to shoot.. 

 

Do I think the boy attacked him? I think the boy didn't know why this strange man was following him and approaching him, so yes, I'm sure he probably did. I'd attack a man doing this to me as well! The LARGEST part of an officer's obligation and duty is in to ASSESS THE SITUATION AND PROCEED WITH CAUTION.. 

 

2 MAJOR factors I feel Zimmerman failed to do... 

 

And I don't need to see a trial to comprehend this. 

 

HE'D MAKE A "BAD COP!" And we have enough of them! 



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Posted on Sat, Jul 13, 2013 20:31

I think the verdict was correct.  It was just a unfortunate chain of events.  My prayers go out to Trayvon's parents and to Zimmerman because he has to live with what he's done.  Sad situation all the way around.



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