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Posted on Thu, Feb 27, 2014 07:06

This is a true story.



I was married for 20 years and dating is all new to me. So I decided to join a dating site. I posted my profile and the emails started coming in. I was very excited knowing that women still found me attractive. I started replying to the messages. I found one person that stood out for me. She is a career women, veterinarian and owns her own clinic. She also is very attractive and the age range I like. We started talking for about a week. We talked about everything, what we want out of life, sex, travel and kids. So we knew a lot about each other before we met. We decided to meet for dinner and the date was set. I was at the restaurant early as she walks in; it was love at first sight. She was stunning and was everything I'm looking for in a woman. I gave her a hug and I could tell that she really liked me by the look in her eyes. We sat down and ordered our drinks, dinner and started to talk. She was very flirty and of course I was also. I noticed she had a lot to drink and on her 5th drink she looked at me and said Michael, I really like you a lot and I think we could be great together and I would like to take our relationship to the next level, but I need to disclose something to you. I could tell she was very nervous and was shaking a little. I said it’s ok you can tell me. She stumbled her words a little and said Michael, I was born with both genders and I’m a Hermaphrodite. I thought she was kidding me a first but she started to cry a little. I did not know what to think at that time. I really liked her but I am 100% strait and that would not attract me sexually. I told her not to worry that I think she is special. She as a doctor went in to tell me that one out of every million women is born that way and other scientific information. We finished our dinner and I walked her out to her car and gave her a hug good night and she left. We have remained friends but nothing further from that. 

 

Please give me your thoughts?


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Posted on Fri, Jul 04, 2014 15:41

Quoting Hoping4Love2000:

Hi FLAGENT, 

 

Very sad situation... It is NATURAL for you to be timid and intimidated by this situation.....

 

Perhaps if you view it the way it REALLY is.. 

 

FEAR (False Evidence Appearing Real) is derived due to LACK OF UNDERSTANDING... 

 

Allow me to break it down for you, MEDICALLY... 

 

This beautiful individual you met is a WOMAN... 

 

She happened to be born with female parts, as well as with male genetalia... in the same manner some babies are born with extra digits, (fingers, toes) webbed feet, missing an arm, etc.. 

 

It's a physical DEFECT is all.. 

 

My nostrils are not the same size.. SAME THING... 

 

It is just freaky to you, (US.. hey, I won't deny... It is a bit to swallow at first... I mean, for a hetero-sexual man to consider sex with a woman who once had a male sex part? I UNDERSTAND YOUR DILEMMA) 

 

BUT--- 

 

If you consider this for what it TRULY IS--- 

 

Christy Brinkleys eyes are offset.. 

Mark Wahlburg has 3 nipples

GEMMA ARTERTON was born with 6 fingers in BOTH hands!!! 

MEGAN FOX? Clubbed thumbs.. Yep! Her thumbs look like toes!!

MANY stars, such as Kate Bosworth, have 2 different colored eyes.. 

 

Try Michael, and out this in perspective.. 

 

It is a MEDICAL.. rather, WAS a medical issue.. that was RESOLVED!!! (Or if it hasn't been, can be...) 

My apologies.. Not enough time to read entire thread here.. 

 

My exes ears are not lined up.. 

My nostrils are not the same.. 

My exes feet are UGLY with his 2nd and 3rd toe being longer than the big toe.. 

MY TOES ARE PERFECT!!! ;) HOW DO YOU PPL LIVE WITH TOES BEING LONGER THAN THE BIG ONE!! YIKES!!

 

Put this situation in the proper box Michael... 

 

This isn't an emotional issue where this lovely lady is questioning if she is a woman.. 

She was just saying, "Hey, I was born a little off key. It was fixed long ago, or CAN be fixed, and I am ALL WOMAN!" 

 

Hope this helps!! ;) 

 

BTW... This beautiful young VS model? 

Born with NO BELLY BUTTON! 

 

It's called a defect... 

 

 



No belly button... for real?  I thought that was the only way to tell if someone was an alien.... posing as a human.  Ok then... one less erogenous zone.



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Posted on Thu, Jul 03, 2014 11:30

Quoting AMBERWILD:

WHAT! Please tell me you wrote this blog just for the sake of sharing one of MANY crazy dating stories you will have. My eyes are sparking mischief right now.

 

CHICKS WITH DICKS.... NO F*CKING WAY!!! 

 

I am cracking up over all of the altruistic comments above. "Not many would have handled that properly."

 

WHAT!? 

 

While I salute your compassion, kindness, and gentle nature, with every praise of, "You are a handsome man with much to offer," I think you are dick, the kind I would never date. EVER. 

 

You wrote: "We did discuss her situation. A Hermaphrodite is a female that can have kids and is all women but one part. The clitteris is from two to four inches long in a penis shape. I did ask her why don’t you get it removed and she replied that it would mess up her sex life and she was happy with herself. I did not get any further into that topic."

 

Then you asked for thoughts, opinions, after having stated that your mind has already been made up, "No dice." 

 

Does anyone pay attention around here, because it is seven am on a Saturday and I am dropping F-bombs like trailer trash Barbie. I read through this blog once, wishing I had a two-by four Tom and Jerry style..

 

YOU SPELLLED CLITORIS WRONG!!!!!!!!

 

Something to suck on.

The first rule of good business Mr. “I don’t have wrinkles and my dating profile says I am sixty-five years old.” Know your audience. I read through your blog once, on a whim because I usually have my head  too far up my own a$$ , but today, this day, your lucky day, I was paying attention.  I read through once, eye balling your profile picture, thinking, “Poindexter. What a slug.”

I TOTALLY relate to being newly single after a twenty year relationship. I’m two years in to being single after my own of seventeen, and it was an oddity to realize that I had only ever been with one man my entire adult life. I had no idea what I was doing, but I did know that the stories would be ripe, and they have been. 

Dating millionaires is the equivalent of finding out the chick you are into has a larger Phallus. I keep giving you all credit, you who have made it, and then I find this…

A man of great success, by career and by family, branded and stamped, questioning and swooning a woman in private and hurried soul searching messages to the dragging out of, “I have to tell you something…”

I have herpes.

That was a true story conversation I had to have with a dude who let me fall for him first. First he courted me, then he offered me blisters with no ring. “I can understand…” says he, “If you don’t want to date me now… I just needed you to know before this goes any further. “

 

HE HAS HERPES…….

What came next was agony, the bottom drop out of impossible choice. One in four, I do believe are the statistics…? I am not Goggling this morning, as I am not concerned over the exact as much as I am trying to portray the common, with two types of herpes being that place. “Does he get blisters in his mouth or does he get them on his penis?” the doctor asked.

My own research as I agonized over whether or not I needed to let go of a soul I had come to enjoy immensely, a soul I felt I could love, over a sentence he could not undo. What about the person?

YOUR PERSON, Man who wants to know what I think about people who are selfish. That woman is selfish and she should find someone who wants to suck on a four inch d*ck. I personally like mine larger than that so I date men. Last time I checked most men prefer women who are not loose, but then you asked and my mouth  can be gaping by opinion. You asked another question on your profile.

“I am in a STEM field and now design and write Internet blogs. I have blogs related to spiritual, political, metaphysical, and historical topics. Most recently, I am in the process of branching out in a brand new direction, at least for me. A new business partner and I are putting together a wellness, health and beauty blog ... am open to suggestions.”

Good sir, I suggest you add me to your partnership.  I look forward to your review with warm regards.

 

Amber



Such a shame, AMBER, when you LOST all that weight... 

 

You didn't GAIN a little "class." 

 

 



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Posted on Thu, Jul 03, 2014 11:18

Quoting 3345roc:

You're in the nursing field Diana so you are probably more informed than I am but I believe, back then, they did the reassignment surgery shortly after the birth and with the full consent of the parents.  Obviously the chance of getting it wrong was 50/50.  Now, I believe they wait until the child develops to the point when he or she can make and informed decision.

 

Sexual reassignment is common these days.  Christine Jorgenson was related to my father-in-law's first wife.  She was the first man who made headlines in the 50's by having the surgery to become a woman.



They can run tests to find out the sexual orientation of the baby... 

Then they can perform surgery.. ;) 



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Posted on Thu, Jul 03, 2014 11:15

Hi FLAGENT, 

 

Very sad situation... It is NATURAL for you to be timid and intimidated by this situation.....

 

Perhaps if you view it the way it REALLY is.. 

 

FEAR (False Evidence Appearing Real) is derived due to LACK OF UNDERSTANDING... 

 

Allow me to break it down for you, MEDICALLY... 

 

This beautiful individual you met is a WOMAN... 

 

She happened to be born with female parts, as well as with male genetalia... in the same manner some babies are born with extra digits, (fingers, toes) webbed feet, missing an arm, etc.. 

 

It's a physical DEFECT is all.. 

 

My nostrils are not the same size.. SAME THING... 

 

It is just freaky to you, (US.. hey, I won't deny... It is a bit to swallow at first... I mean, for a hetero-sexual man to consider sex with a woman who once had a male sex part? I UNDERSTAND YOUR DILEMMA) 

 

BUT--- 

 

If you consider this for what it TRULY IS--- 

 

Christy Brinkleys eyes are offset.. 

Mark Wahlburg has 3 nipples

GEMMA ARTERTON was born with 6 fingers in BOTH hands!!! 

MEGAN FOX? Clubbed thumbs.. Yep! Her thumbs look like toes!!

MANY stars, such as Kate Bosworth, have 2 different colored eyes.. 

 

Try Michael, and out this in perspective.. 

 

It is a MEDICAL.. rather, WAS a medical issue.. that was RESOLVED!!! (Or if it hasn't been, can be...) 

My apologies.. Not enough time to read entire thread here.. 

 

My exes ears are not lined up.. 

My nostrils are not the same.. 

My exes feet are UGLY with his 2nd and 3rd toe being longer than the big toe.. 

MY TOES ARE PERFECT!!! ;) HOW DO YOU PPL LIVE WITH TOES BEING LONGER THAN THE BIG ONE!! YIKES!!

 

Put this situation in the proper box Michael... 

 

This isn't an emotional issue where this lovely lady is questioning if she is a woman.. 

She was just saying, "Hey, I was born a little off key. It was fixed long ago, or CAN be fixed, and I am ALL WOMAN!" 

 

Hope this helps!! ;) 

 

BTW... This beautiful young VS model? 

Born with NO BELLY BUTTON! 

 

It's called a defect... 

 

 


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Posted on Thu, Jul 03, 2014 09:31

No Comment! LOL



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Posted on Mon, Jun 09, 2014 20:04

If she has both parts then what is the problem? Just don't play with the part you don't like. 

 

You are older, cute but greying, and you probably don't have the skills and physique of your youth. Yet she over looked all that to give you a chance. 

 

You can't claim to be looking for love and then shun it when it doesn’t come wrapped in the box you prefer. 

 

I would say the fact that you aired this to the public means you do not have any feelings for her. 



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Posted on Sat, May 24, 2014 11:32

Quoting flagent32246:

This is a true story.



I was married for 20 years and dating is all new to me. So I decided to join a dating site. I posted my profile and the emails started coming in. I was very excited knowing that women still found me attractive. I started replying to the messages. I found one person that stood out for me. She is a career women, veterinarian and owns her own clinic. She also is very attractive and the age range I like. We started talking for about a week. We talked about everything, what we want out of life, sex, travel and kids. So we knew a lot about each other before we met. We decided to meet for dinner and the date was set. I was at the restaurant early as she walks in; it was love at first sight. She was stunning and was everything I'm looking for in a woman. I gave her a hug and I could tell that she really liked me by the look in her eyes. We sat down and ordered our drinks, dinner and started to talk. She was very flirty and of course I was also. I noticed she had a lot to drink and on her 5th drink she looked at me and said Michael, I really like you a lot and I think we could be great together and I would like to take our relationship to the next level, but I need to disclose something to you. I could tell she was very nervous and was shaking a little. I said it’s ok you can tell me. She stumbled her words a little and said Michael, I was born with both genders and I’m a Hermaphrodite. I thought she was kidding me a first but she started to cry a little. I did not know what to think at that time. I really liked her but I am 100% strait and that would not attract me sexually. I told her not to worry that I think she is special. She as a doctor went in to tell me that one out of every million women is born that way and other scientific information. We finished our dinner and I walked her out to her car and gave her a hug good night and she left. We have remained friends but nothing further from that. 

 

Please give me your thoughts?



Life always has curveballs. The solution is simple in my mind. From a theoretical stand point is you won'tbend because of your beliefs than remain only friends. 

 

If this is something you can get over and emotionally you two are on the same page then move forward and who cares. It really comes down to your decision making style and how strongly your beliefs are held. 

 

Realistically, you already made your decision because I can see all the evidence in your post. I think you're somewhat doubting your decision because you felt a true connection. You and only you can determine what path to take. 



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Posted on Sat, May 24, 2014 11:28

Quoting Dakota35:

This is caused by high testosterone levels also.  Women bodybuilders that use testosterone for muscle growth also experience clitoris growth.  Just as men that use testosterone, that then converts into estrogen, can experience gynecomastia.  But a Hermaphrodite has both male and female genitalia, which is different from just having exaggerated genitalia.  I imagine this must be some kind of chromosome abnormality.

 



You are very smart. An number of AAS actually do this, depending on cycle me gtg it can result in a permanent change. A hermaphrodite and enlarged clit are highly different. One has female genitalia that is just larger than the average female. The other had male and female genitalia and I would presume because there is both it would be smaller than expected. I agree that I believe it has something to do with the chromosomes. I think during development as the fetus grows the gene expression maybe xxy instead of xx or xy 



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Posted on Wed, May 21, 2014 16:16

It is really sad! My friend dated a gentleman who is about 6"1, handsome and exactly a manly muscle man. She liked him very much and they  kept a sweet love relationship for few months untill one day she found he has a inimate boyfriend, so she left him.



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Posted on Sat, May 10, 2014 15:22

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When I was a kid, doctors made house calls.  You paid them $5 in cash.  Medicare changed all of that and pretty much established private health insurance and the fee schedule all of them use.  I don't blame doctors for wanting to make a buck but you go into their offices and you see 2 receptionists, 5 people processing claims and 4 PA's and they all get handsomely paid.  I understand that 30% of healthcare cost is administrative.

 

I did turn in one unscrupulous podiatrist.  He'd go to the nursing home my mom was in and do 20 sets of toenails at $100 a pop.  Well, he put in a claim for my mom two months after we buried her.

 

I agree, health insurance took the consumer out of the loop.


Hmmmmm…..Roc….I think you are mistaken.  If I remember my history correctly, private insurance was established during WWII….long before Medicare.  During WWII, private industry was in a real crimp to find workers so they started to offer insurance in order to attract workers.   After the war, it stuck.  I think we are the only country in the world that provides such a dumb and costly system.  It certainly puts our businesses at a competative disadvantage to have to pay for all their workers' insurance.

 

On the other hand, Medicare was established in 1966 because Democrats believed the way we were treating our aged was immoral.  After a lifetime of hard work, our elderly were literally dying in abject poverty!  They couldn’t work anymore……so not only could they barely afford food….healthcare was totally out of the question.  They suffered…..and then DIED!!!  The Republicans wailed and fought the Medicare law just like now with the ACA……displaying their “so what” sentiment.  They promoted and tried to scare the public that surely the USA would cease to exist if we tried to take care of our old people.  Hmmm….we’re still here.  Republicans are wrong about a lot of stuff! 

 

Look it up and correct me if I'm wrong.  All these old people that vote Republican should try remembering a little history!!  

 

Re: Insurance claims.  As you may remember, I work for a small private company in the healthcare services industry.  We have a whole separate building full of people that do nothing else except insurance billing.  Counting up my phone roster…..17 people….but these are just the folks I deal with.  I have no idea if there are more, but for sure.....it costs our company a lot of revenue just trying to get paid from insurance companies.

 

PS: I know I've said this before:  The ACA and Medicare are NOT socialism!  They are both social insurance programs.  We only have one Socialism healthcare program in this country.....and that's the Veteran's Administration.  Gee, I wonder how our soldiers feel when they see all these loon birds marching around saying they don't want Socialism.


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Posted on Sat, May 10, 2014 10:05

Quoting rosesmells:

Michael, what u did at the meeting was polite, caring, understanding and respectful.

 

Thx for that, but I think it is kind of awkward, embarrasing, pitiful or unfortunate fate for the lady you mentioned in your story. She is equally a human being as we are with body, mind and soul. I'm sure she is a very strong person born with some challenging 'specialty' to her body. I'm sure she has been trying to enjoy her life as a beautiful human being on this planet. I really respect her from the bottom of my heart.

 

If you or all of us think that issue is imperfection on her physical body, then it should be her own privacy. She was trying to be honest and opened up to you when you met. I'm sure it was based on trust on you. Why shouldn't we respect her privacy for God's sake? Is she a member of MM.com? If so, she may one day read these blog and comments by chance and she will get hurt.

 

Confucius taught us "Not to do a bad thing only because it is small. Not to ignore doing a good thing only because it is tiny". I know you may not appreciate oriental virtues, but I believe the right thing for us to do now is to give her peace and not to talk about her on this website any more.  I may be wrong.

 

Sorry I'm not blaming anybody. On the contrary, I have read all the kindness from above comment words. Though I'm from another continent, I believe we share the same language which is love and respect. We creatures all come here for a short life journey enjoying or suffering, in happiness or sadness.... Let's hope she enjoys more happiness offsetting her sadness :-)

 

Once again M, u were a beautiful person at your meeting. Thx!


This comment probably takes the prize as the most compassionate, well-written blog comment I've seen in a long time.  Rose thank you!  You humble me.  I wish I had said this.

 

While bigotry, rascism and callous runs rampant in American society when dealing with the 'others' in our country, I am ever hopeful that somewhere they will find a trace of empathy.  Perhaps you touched someone's heart today by sharing some Oriental wisedom.  You did a "good thing".

Warmest wishes Rose.

 

PS:  You are a very beautiful woman!  Your femininity is palpable in your pics.



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Oh my Jesus. ..the story was so great until the unexpected end. ..sorry about that 



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Posted on Mon, Mar 24, 2014 05:43

Michael, what u did at the meeting was polite, caring, understanding and respectful.

 

Thx for that, but I think it is kind of awkward, embarrasing, pitiful or unfortunate fate for the lady you mentioned in your story. She is equally a human being as we are with body, mind and soul. I'm sure she is a very strong person born with some challenging 'specialty' to her body. I'm sure she has been trying to enjoy her life as a beautiful human being on this planet. I really respect her from the bottom of my heart.

 

If you or all of us think that issue is imperfection on her physical body, then it should be her own privacy. She was trying to be honest and opened up to you when you met. I'm sure it was based on trust on you. Why shouldn't we respect her privacy for God's sake? Is she a member of MM.com? If so, she may one day read these blog and comments by chance and she will get hurt.

 

Confucius taught us "Not to do a bad thing only because it is small. Not to ignore doing a good thing only because it is tiny". I know you may not appreciate oriental virtues, but I believe the right thing for us to do now is to give her peace and not to talk about her on this website any more.  I may be wrong.

 

Sorry I'm not blaming anybody. On the contrary, I have read all the kindness from above comment words. Though I'm from another continent, I believe we share the same language which is love and respect. We creatures all come here for a short life journey enjoying or suffering, in happiness or sadness.... Let's hope she enjoys more happiness offsetting her sadness :-)

 

Once again M, u were a beautiful person at your meeting. Thx!



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Posted on Sun, Mar 16, 2014 18:51

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Exactly!!!  A friend of mine had hernia surgery (outpatient).  He had insurance but something happened and it wouldn't go through.  So a bill was sent to him for around $40,000.  He contacted his insurance company and they paid, if I remember correctly, something like 1,800.  I've experience something similar.  Crooks from beginning to end...even the doctors which many times are associated with the insurance companies...such as BlueCross.  

 

How many times do you go to purchase something and buy it without knowing what it cost?  That's healthcare.  I didn't hear anyone say "just surprise me with the cost", but I'm sure it will be a surprise.

 


When I was a kid, doctors made house calls.  You paid them $5 in cash.  Medicare changed all of that and pretty much established private health insurance and the fee schedule all of them use.  I don't blame doctors for wanting to make a buck but you go into their offices and you see 2 receptionists, 5 people processing claims and 4 PA's and they all get handsomely paid.  I understand that 30% of healthcare cost is administrative.

 

I did turn in one unscrupulous podiatrist.  He'd go to the nursing home my mom was in and do 20 sets of toenails at $100 a pop.  Well, he put in a claim for my mom two months after we buried her.

 

I agree, health insurance took the consumer out of the loop.


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Posted on Sat, Mar 15, 2014 23:13

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There's a big disconnect within the healthcare system.  I had an operation and spent 6 days in the hospital.  The bill they sent to my insurance company was ofr $135,000 and they were paid $35,000.  The surgeon charged $35,000 and was paid $5700 and he did 4 other surgeries that day.  They've lost their way....



 

Exactly!!!  A friend of mine had hernia surgery (outpatient).  He had insurance but something happened and it wouldn't go through.  So a bill was sent to him for around $40,000.  He contacted his insurance company and they paid, if I remember correctly, something like 1,800.  I've experience something similar.  Crooks from beginning to end...even the doctors which many times are associated with the insurance companies...such as BlueCross.  

 

How many times do you go to purchase something and buy it without knowing what it cost?  That's healthcare.  I didn't hear anyone say "just surprise me with the cost", but I'm sure it will be a surprise.

 



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Posted on Sat, Mar 15, 2014 20:51

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Also, what we need is for hospitals to have pricing available and in the open for people to view.  Don't surprise me with a bill full of BS, like a $200 plastic bed pan.  Example:  I realize that all broken arms are not created equal, but I want to know what a simple break vs a bad compound would cost me before I get it fixed.  If I know this, then I can compare prices.  And before anyone says I wouldn't have time with a broken arm to check price, I had a broken leg for 2 weeks, played football and finally it kept hurting so I went to a chiropractor that gave free X-rays and found it was broken.  Bones broke and jammed together.  So I did have time to check prices. LOL  Also, clear pricing will add competition between hospitals, which will lower the prices.  There is no reason for healthcare to be so costly.

 



There's a big disconnect within the healthcare system.  I had an operation and spent 6 days in the hospital.  The bill they sent to my insurance company was ofr $135,000 and they were paid $35,000.  The surgeon charged $35,000 and was paid $5700 and he did 4 other surgeries that day.  They've lost their way....



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Posted on Fri, Mar 14, 2014 19:34

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There's an old saying that "a camel is a horse designed by a committee".  I feel the same can be said of Obamacare.  I do believe we should have universal healthcare.  We have some good examples of outcome based systems at the the Mayo Clinic and the Cleveland Clinic and I would be more confident if the CEO's of those organizattions had more input into the design of our system.

 

There is a provision in Obamacare for patient outcome incentives but we really don't hear about them and most of my doctors are unaware of them.

 

 



Also, what we need is for hospitals to have pricing available and in the open for people to view.  Don't surprise me with a bill full of BS, like a $200 plastic bed pan.  Example:  I realize that all broken arms are not created equal, but I want to know what a simple break vs a bad compound would cost me before I get it fixed.  If I know this, then I can compare prices.  And before anyone says I wouldn't have time with a broken arm to check price, I had a broken leg for 2 weeks, played football and finally it kept hurting so I went to a chiropractor that gave free X-rays and found it was broken.  Bones broke and jammed together.  So I did have time to check prices. LOL  Also, clear pricing will add competition between hospitals, which will lower the prices.  There is no reason for healthcare to be so costly.

 



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Posted on Fri, Mar 14, 2014 14:48

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So what happened to flagent?            Did he change his mind?



I think he left the building.



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Posted on Fri, Mar 14, 2014 14:46

Quoting Diana3316:

No....I do not think it was without parental consent.  That is exactly the reason why the public needs to be educated/informed about their own health and not trust everything someone else says.  Especially today, with the healthcare system under so much stress with inadequate numbers of doctors/nurses to serve our ballooning population.  We see mistakes made all the time.....some having tragic consequences.



There's an old saying that "a camel is a horse designed by a committee".  I feel the same can be said of Obamacare.  I do believe we should have universal healthcare.  We have some good examples of outcome based systems at the the Mayo Clinic and the Cleveland Clinic and I would be more confident if the CEO's of those organizattions had more input into the design of our system.

 

There is a provision in Obamacare for patient outcome incentives but we really don't hear about them and most of my doctors are unaware of them.

 

 



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