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Posted on Wed, Oct 02, 2013 09:56

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Posted on Sat, Dec 21, 2013 07:40

Quoting RollWillSave:

I think it is quite clear, at least to maybe a select few who can look at our government like I can, it knows that it has the people by their collars; however, they also sweat because despite the pathetic actions of scare people through under handed tactics that they have pulled, they know that if the people wanted to, and actually grew a pair, they could actually put the government back into its place.  This is supposed to be a government by the people, not people under government.  If they truly understood that things are not to be done the way they have been, it would be a better world.  But then again, this is the same thing that has been going on ever since the dawn of civilization.  My apologies if it seems like I'm ranting.



The recent drop in the Presidential approval polls seems to have been precipitated by his under 30 yo supporters who seem to have abandoned him in droves.  I don't know whether you're one of them but I'd be interested in knowing more about your rare view of government and how you came by it.  

I'm also curious about the course of action you would deem appropriate if, as you suggest, people grew a pair.

I liken the current state of Washington to an old movie entitled "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest".  In case you haven't seen it, it takes place in an insane asylum... at least that was what they were called before being politically correct became "de rigueur" ... and the inmates take over the asylum.

 



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Posted on Fri, Dec 20, 2013 19:48

I think it is quite clear, at least to maybe a select few who can look at our government like I can, it knows that it has the people by their collars; however, they also sweat because despite the pathetic actions of scare people through under handed tactics that they have pulled, they know that if the people wanted to, and actually grew a pair, they could actually put the government back into its place.  This is supposed to be a government by the people, not people under government.  If they truly understood that things are not to be done the way they have been, it would be a better world.  But then again, this is the same thing that has been going on ever since the dawn of civilization.  My apologies if it seems like I'm ranting.



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Posted on Mon, Nov 25, 2013 14:25

The real choices are: 

1 Do you want to live in a socialist/communist country with a buffoon strong man in charge?

2. Do you believe in free enterprise and rule of law..

3. Do you want the gov making all of the decisions about our lives and our finances, or do you want to be in charge of your own life, own finances, make your own decisons etc.

Full Definition of BUFFOON 1 : a ludicrous figure : clown 2 : a gross and usually ill-educated or stupid person — buf·foon·ish \- ˈ fü-nish\ adjective

 



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Posted on Thu, Nov 14, 2013 21:14

The United States is not a Democracy and governed by the principle of the rule by majority.  The framers of our Constitution, realizied  that majority rule could infringe on the rights of minorities and therefore formed our Government as a Republic which follows the rule of law.  It  is organized into three separate branches with checks and bslances, who all take an oath to adhere to the Constitution. 

Unfortunately this past shutdown did not have the beneficial consequences that "Contract with America" had during Clinton's administration.  Clinton became more Centrist, a balanced budget was passed.  It resulted in a period of cooperation and compromise which resulted in some landmark legislation.  Reagan worked Tip O'neill and Clinton with Newt Gingrich.

It seems that our current group of politicians are only interested it two things,,, get rich and get re-elected

 

 

   



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Posted on Sat, Oct 12, 2013 18:11

Hilarious Don!!

 

So what is this whole government shutdown all about???  The latest Wall Street Journal poll has Congressional GOP disapproval at 70%....basically over 2/3 of the country has turned against the Republicans.  If things weren’t so bad for our country….that might be good news.

 

But what is it that they want in order to make them stop doing this stupid thing???

 

Remember?  They refused to vote to pass a budget unless it defunded Obamacare, a law that would enable millions to get healthcare, including people banned due to pre-existing conditions.  Well it turns out that the majority of Americans are not in favor of a government shutdown.  Amazing, it seems most people actually want our government.

 

Hmmm….ok…so the GOP decided perhaps shutting the government to defund the Affordable Care Act wasn’t such a great idea. 

 

In rides Paul Ryan with his budget and declaring his often repeated, “We need to completely rethink the role of government.”  So at first they wanted to defund the ACA, but now this is what they came up with instead.  They want to cut SS, Medicare and Medicaid.  I wonder how that’s going to fly with all those old, white, conservatives that show up to all those Tea Party events.  Do you think they want their SS checks cut?  Do you think they want their Medicare cut?  It’s political suicide!!!

 

No, what I think they really want is to make the country DEFAULT!!  That would satisfy their visceral hate for this President, no matter who it hurts!  Then they could say President Obama was in office when the first time in history this country defaulted on our debts.  The stupid thing is that they are actually making the debt worse every day during this shutdown, because the interest on our Treasury bonds has already doubled due to international uncertainty that we will pay.  Cheesh!

 

As Paul Krugman said, “The madness of the GOP is the central issue of our time.”

 

The only thing we can hope for is that Wall Street is still influential enough to make them listen, when they say:  You must stop now!!!  Knock it off foolish people!     



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Posted on Sat, Oct 12, 2013 14:08

I cast my fly into the brook

floating there with little hook

sure enough there'll be a crook

for me to remember in my book


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Posted on Fri, Oct 11, 2013 08:43

at least...at last???


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Posted on Tue, Oct 08, 2013 04:05

Quoting Diana3316:

Dak,

Hmm....immoral?  Well, in my opinion politics by terrorizing people is immoral.  You cannot run the world’s economy and be the world’s reserve currency and play these type of 'games'.  Just pick up the Wall Street Journal to see what the rest of the world and especially the financial people are saying about this shut down.  Not only do conservatives not believe in science, it has become demonstrably evident that they don’t know anything about the economy either!  One GOP Congressman said, I know about the economy "because I raised a family".  That's like me saying, I know how to build a computer because I have one.  Stupid!! 

 

Undermining our democracy and the world’s economy is not funny....nor is it a game!

 

 

PS:  Thank you for the well wishes.  Good luck to you too.



Diana,  These are words that I got straight from a broker on WallStreet.  "All on WallStreet know a collapse of the dollar and markets are immanent.  But we are going to make money hand over fist until the government runs it into the ground."  This guy is one of those 300K smart ass SOB guys working for one of those big crook firms.  I have no use for him, but he's in the know.

 

What you don't understand is that the USA is becoming irrelevant.  China is not stupid, they know with every dollar printed that their investments are going down the toilet.  But I've already explained all that.  Japan just gave a huge contract to Airbus instead of Boeing. Just another example. 

 

The whole of the government is not shut down.  The shut down does not worry me whatsoever.  The debt ceiling worries me.  For 2 reasons.  The first is that I know it will be raised and there will be no default.  Thus allowing the debt to continue to climb.  But what choice do we have at this point? NONE. Secondly, there is a chance that the credit rating of the US will be downgraded once again.  This further validates my thesis of a eventual dollar collapse. 

 

We are a Republic, not a democracy.  The world's economy no longer depends upon the USA, nor do they give us the respect we once had.  In fact I'd say that many countries recent us and would welcome our demise.  America will fall upon it's on sword, which is sad.  Think of all the men and women that have given their life in war to make this country great, only to have it destroyed by greed and ignorance from within.

 

I can show you how, just by investing in one thing, you could have made a ton of money. (probably still can, long and short) All because of the shut down, debt ceiling, and no easing.  It is all a game.  And all in the know are getting wealthy or maybe I should say wealthier.  They are moving their money to every corner of the world.  Protecting themselves from what is to come.  All the while keeping the American citizens in conflict and confused, just to draw away their attention from what is really happening.

 

Diane, I believe you and I are near the same age.  We more than likely will live to see this unfold, and we will see and feel the pain.  The government that you believe can help, will be helpless.  It's already dysfunctional as hell.  I'm not telling you this all will unfold in a month, year, or five years.  To me it seems as if it's getting faster.  I'll give it a 10 year time frame, before something hits the fan.  Could come sooner.  There will be ups and downs until then, while the powers that be try to find patches.  They'll keep it going as long as possible to squeeze everything they can from the people.

 

But ultimately it is the ignorance and self loving greed of the people for allowing this all to happen.  America once had love for it's fellow man, now for the most part, it's every man for himself. 



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Posted on Mon, Oct 07, 2013 21:41

Quoting Dakota35:

Diana, What will any of your "values" matter if people of America are suffering.  Your "values" will be far from their thoughts.  Your "values" are your opinion brought about by environmental stimuli, and decisions.  The "values" that you hold dear, are other people's immoral's.  Diana you are part of the smoke & mirrors and you don't even realize it.  Both Dem. and Rep. will benifit from the shutdown, from the debt crisis.  They will all meet for lunch behind closed doors and laugh about how much money they made.  All the while you are picking sides and America slips further down.  There is no side.  The issues that you bring up are just to occupy your mind, hiding it from the truth. You are a puppet and don't even know it. 


Dak,

Hmm....immoral?  Well, in my opinion politics by terrorizing people is immoral.  You cannot run the world’s economy and be the world’s reserve currency and play these type of 'games'.  Just pick up the Wall Street Journal to see what the rest of the world and especially the financial people are saying about this shut down.  Not only do conservatives not believe in science, it has become demonstrably evident that they don’t know anything about the economy either!  One GOP Congressman said, I know about the economy "because I raised a family".  That's like me saying, I know how to build a computer because I have one.  Stupid!! 

 

Undermining our democracy and the world’s economy is not funny....nor is it a game!

 

 

PS:  Thank you for the well wishes.  Good luck to you too.



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Posted on Mon, Oct 07, 2013 20:07

Dak

 

Whatever one's opinion they deserve to voice it here. Debate seems to have lost it's value and respect for others show blindness on your behalf.

Maybe we are destined to witness a meltdown of the monetary system as we know it. I did some googling regarding your last post and found some truth or consequences on the issues. yes ...we are printing money faster than the gold standad can handle...but in the same note we arent the only country that has devisating debt....



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Posted on Mon, Oct 07, 2013 16:37

Quoting DONTFITMOLD:

Who is fooling who?? or us??

 

 

 

The art of leadership... consists in consolidating the attention of the people against a single advers


Nice quote, exactly!

Quoting DONTFITMOLD:

Who is fooling who?? or us??

 

 

 

The art of leadership... consists in consolidating the attention of the people against a single adversary and taking care that nothing will split up that attention.

Nice quote, exactly!



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Posted on Mon, Oct 07, 2013 16:36

Quoting Diana3316:

Don~

Even Vladamir Putin polls higher with Americans than this Congress does!  ROFLMAO

 

Yes Dak...I know your opinions.  It doesn't matter to me if you do not want to discuss issues.  I remain very fond of you.  However, I only vote for candidates that share my values and will work for at least some of the objectives that I think are important.  So regrettably, I must inform you that I will not be voting for you for Prez.   *wink* 

 

PS:  I never play games......unless they're fantasy games!  :))



Diana, What will any of your "values" matter if people of America are suffering.  Your "values" will be far from their thoughts.  Your "values" are your opinion brought about by environmental stimuli, and decisions.  The "values" that you hold dear, are other people's immoral's.  Diana you are part of the smoke & mirrors and you don't even realize it.  Both Dem. and Rep. will benifit from the shutdown, from the debt crisis.  They will all meet for lunch behind closed doors and laugh about how much money they made.  All the while you are picking sides and America slips further down.  There is no side.  The issues that you bring up are just to occupy your mind, hiding it from the truth. You are a puppet and don't even know it. 



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Posted on Sun, Oct 06, 2013 19:03

Don~

Even Vladamir Putin polls higher with Americans than this Congress does!  ROFLMAO

 

Yes Dak...I know your opinions.  It doesn't matter to me if you do not want to discuss issues.  I remain very fond of you.  However, I only vote for candidates that share my values and will work for at least some of the objectives that I think are important.  So regrettably, I must inform you that I will not be voting for you for Prez.   *wink* 

 

PS:  I never play games......unless they're fantasy games!  :))



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Posted on Sun, Oct 06, 2013 18:14

Who is fooling who?? or us??

 

 

 

The art of leadership... consists in consolidating the attention of the people against a single adversary and taking care that nothing will split up that attention.

Adolf Hitler


 



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Posted on Sun, Oct 06, 2013 18:08

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Hi Don,

I can't tell you if it will happen 6 months from now or 10 years but it will happen (on our current course).  If I were going to rob a bank, then I'd set fires in different locations to keep the police occupied.  Much of what Diane is concerned about is intentionally set fires, set to divert attention away from a bigger picture.  In the future America will be changing.  I believe it is much like a train heading down hill, getting faster and faster until sooner or later it crashes.  Greed is at the core.  I am not sure how high up it goes.  I have heard different claims but some seem kind of crazy to me...but who knows.  I'm not about to repeat what I've heard simply because I'm not the kind of guy that spreads crap that I can't verify.  But that doesn't mean what I've heard isn't true, it just seems a little far fetched to me.  It all gets kind of complicated and the Banks of the world are at the root.  The Federal Reserve needs to be destroyed, it is a huge part of the problem.

 

This is how I see it going down.  In the simplest form.  The dollar is the worlds currency.  Oil is settled in dollars.  In order to buy oil, other countries must first buy dollars.  In order for there to be enough dollars, trillion upon trillions of dollars had to be printed and spread out all over the world.  You can check to see if what I'm telling you is true.  At first these dollars were backed by gold and redeemable for gold.  But that could not stand since America was being drained by one specific country of it's gold supply.  So the gold standard was removed.  This allowed the world to be flood with dollars.  But it's kind of like a party that you know will end and you can do things to extend the party or you can do things to shorten the party.  But the longer the party last the bigger the hangover.  Now before this gets to long let me try to shorten it.  China (you can check what I say) publicly called for the removal of the dollar as the worlds currency.  Australia is now doing business with China and does not use the US dollar.  Instead using a direct exchange of Australian dollar and Chinese Yuan.  More evidence the world is moving away from the dollar.  So when the world decides the dollar is no longer the reserve currency then what happens?  All those trillion of dollars return to the US?  At that point we will see the collapse of the dollar.  Everyone will suffer.   I hope you can understand what I'm trying to convey.  At this point I'm not sure that the train wreck can be stopped.  To much money printing.  To much Greed.  To much smoke and mirrors.  There's a little more to it, but I'm just giving you the cliff notes.  You can decide if you want to believe me or not.  The future will prove me right or wrong.  I hope I'm wrong, but how can we deny the facts.  Don, it's not just about the USA...we as Americans seem to think the whole world revolves around the US.  It doesn't and the world is changing at a rapid pace.

 

Good luck to you.

 

PS  There is a real estate auction on eBay as we speak.  The seller clearly states that they will accept bitcoins as payment.  Read into it what you may.



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Posted on Sun, Oct 06, 2013 11:57

Quoting Dakota35:

Diane, I know things that you do not.  I'm not getting involved in a debate any longer.  Just tonight, I learned more...or I guess it was a refresher.  You will learn in the future.  No more political correctness for me.  You know where I stand.  I hope for your own good that in the back of your mind you know the truth, but you just chose to play the game.  You'll be better off than most since you are in healthcare.  Good luck to you.

 

 


Dak. please regail us on what secret info that we don't know. I too have had More than enough of this BS self interest that both the parties have presented.

 

Seems Diana had the facts right on the 113th congress .....the highest disapproval rating since they started data collecting...78% / 15%.....the "State of the Union"? .....SUCKS



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Posted on Sat, Oct 05, 2013 23:34

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Dak,

This is absurd.  This is the United States of America and we don’t have a government!

 

In the 2 yrs in which Democrats controlled the Presidency, Senate and House they accomplished:

-Credit Card reform

-Fair Pay Act

-Student loan reform

-Wall Street Reform

-Healthcare reform

-Expanded GI Bill

-Reauthorized Chip/Children’s insurance

-Expanded Nat’l Civilian Service Corps

-Fair Sentencing Act

-9/11 First Responders Bill

-Hate Crimes Bill

-Ratified START Treaty

-Repealed ‘Don’t Ask Don’t Tell’

-Revived the auto industry

-Stimulus/Largest middle class tax cuts

 

And btw…..Democrats only had a filibuster-proof majority (60 seats) in the Senate for about 6 months.

 

Since 2010 and the Republicans took control of one branch of government, there has not been ONE legislative accomplishment!!  Not ONE!  Only a record number of filibusters and obstructive tactics.  Feel free to let me know if you can think of one.

After being sworn-in in January:

-April 2011 threatened gov’t shutdown

-July 2011 the debt crisis resulting in the downgrade of our national credit rating

-September 2011 threats of government shutdown

-April 2012 more threats of shutdown

-December 2012 threats of the fiscal cliff

-January 2013 debt crisis

-September 30, 2013…..Hurray they finally got what they wanted all along.  The government is shut down!!!  Many GOP Congressmen are said to be “giddy”.

-October 2013 another debt crisis

 

Deep into year three and nothing positive for the country has been accomplished!  Only 7 and counting failures at government.  The 112th Congress is deemed by many to be the worst in history, achieving nothing on immigration, energy, climate or infrastructure.  There is only one party that clings to extreme objectives and wants to be in power specifically to hurt our government …..our country!



Diane, I know things that you do not.  I'm not getting involved in a debate any longer.  Just tonight, I learned more...or I guess it was a refresher.  You will learn in the future.  No more political correctness for me.  You know where I stand.  I hope for your own good that in the back of your mind you know the truth, but you just chose to play the game.  You'll be better off than most since you are in healthcare.  Good luck to you.

 

 



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Posted on Sat, Oct 05, 2013 20:06

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One day Diana, you will evolve and become like me...hating them all.  You can spin anything.  So can I count on your vote for me as your next President?  Never mind I'm not a big enough SOB to be Prez.



Dak,

This is absurd.  This is the United States of America and we don’t have a government!

 

In the 2 yrs in which Democrats controlled the Presidency, Senate and House they accomplished:

-Credit Card reform

-Fair Pay Act

-Student loan reform

-Wall Street Reform

-Healthcare reform

-Expanded GI Bill

-Reauthorized Chip/Children’s insurance

-Expanded Nat’l Civilian Service Corps

-Fair Sentencing Act

-9/11 First Responders Bill

-Hate Crimes Bill

-Ratified START Treaty

-Repealed ‘Don’t Ask Don’t Tell’

-Revived the auto industry

-Stimulus/Largest middle class tax cuts

 

And btw…..Democrats only had a filibuster-proof majority (60 seats) in the Senate for about 6 months.

 

Since 2010 and the Republicans took control of one branch of government, there has not been ONE legislative accomplishment!!  Not ONE!  Only a record number of filibusters and obstructive tactics.  Feel free to let me know if you can think of one.

After being sworn-in in January:

-April 2011 threatened gov’t shutdown

-July 2011 the debt crisis resulting in the downgrade of our national credit rating

-September 2011 threats of government shutdown

-April 2012 more threats of shutdown

-December 2012 threats of the fiscal cliff

-January 2013 debt crisis

-September 30, 2013…..Hurray they finally got what they wanted all along.  The government is shut down!!!  Many GOP Congressmen are said to be “giddy”.

-October 2013 another debt crisis

 

Deep into year three and nothing positive for the country has been accomplished!  Only 7 and counting failures at government.  The 112th Congress is deemed by many to be the worst in history, achieving nothing on immigration, energy, climate or infrastructure.  There is only one party that clings to extreme objectives and wants to be in power specifically to hurt our government …..our country!



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Posted on Fri, Oct 04, 2013 05:32

If the "Affordable Care Act" is going to fail under it's own weight let it happen on it's own.

 

It's a LAW ..passed by the Congress...signed by The President...,deemed consitutional by the Supreme Court. Change it, Screw or Un Screw it if or when it proves that the IMMENSE Law doesnt work. I have not read it and I doubt many people have. That leaves us all open to the ASS U ME ing of other biased political opinions....Dont believe what you see or hear from Anyone that has an agenda.

 

But to shut the government down with black mail provisions based on political stances is dangerously lethal.

 



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